Quick background:
29 years old, workout often, have a good paying job in a desirable city and some cool hobbies like backpacking/hiking, writing and traveling.
I never had a problem getting laid in the past, but I would throw myself in the orbiter category too often with girls that rejected me. I've been reading on here for several years after a breakup with my ONEITIS. I've learned and applied a lot since that time.
The same girls that rejected me 4 years ago and were happy to maintain a casual relationship now carry resent for me as I'm established and have improved myself tremendously in the last several years. I ghosted many of them, but the ones that would reach out could pickup the change in my tone and the way I carry myself. Most of these women are crashing into the wall and can sense the serious decline in their value as mine has risen drastically. I'm talking Me vs. Them at age 24 and Me vs. Them now.
Most of you are familiar with the age old saying: "Men age like wine, women age like milk." This is seriously true and as you come up in age, you'll see it first hand.
The advice I have is simple; Put yourself first, LIFT, grooming is a priority, read voraciously and create the life you want. Put positive thoughts into action and tune out the noise. Your vision needs to be greater than your thirst for women and your need for validation.
Your validation will come when you achieve something worth a shit, not from a one night stand or otherwise.
Cheers gents, keep working hard.
I'd add the caveat that this resentment will mostly come from girls you orbited. Girls that knew you with low smv but you didn't orbit, will tend to be thrilled that they have broken ice with a high smv man. They never had you as their puppy so they don't mind seeing you as a wolf.
Yeah those women treated you badly and they know it, they resent the fact that they failed to see potential in you.
Women don't understand potential
Exactly this. Women are not long-term abstract thinkers.
Mods, a point for this man.
100% agree. Women live in the present. That is the basis of Briffault's law.
Lots of guys who have "potential" become complete losers.
No, not really.
Potential means: maybe the guy is a bit skinny but has good height, bone structure, he comes from a poor family but is serious about his education and so on.
That's actual potential anybody with common sense sees a 1.000.000 miles away.
"Potential" in womanese means "he's cute & witty, he has a bike and plays in a band and he smokes pot and drinks & drives but he's soooo smart the police can't catch him, he has great potential".
I doubt even that it’s that logical, nor that much about the guy. It’s about feelz and that’s moment to moment, man. You give them too much credit.
So basically you're saying women should date guys they aren't attracted to, because one day they might be attracted to them.
This makes so much sense.
Oh I agree people do waste their potential, but that doesn't mean they see what they want to see
why does he get to have a point for saying that other people have said that but they didnt get points
I would say it is more buyer's regret. The dilemma for young women is to pick the male with the greatest utility but that is hard to do becasue suitors are projecting a false image not their true selves. This is why women insist men be honest. Women kick themselves when they pick a loser and realize they ignored a winner who is now no longer interested in orbiting them.
A good question to ask here is why the fuck would any self-respecting person be honest with someone who is gaslighting them? Yeah, women love honesty while giving none of it themselves. Lying is a BP trait, yet respecting one's own privacy is just common sense. No point projecting a false image, it will crumble eventually anyway. No one other than you has walked a centimeter in your shoes and is thus utterly incapable of judging your life. Except yourself. Women love doing the judging yet hate when they're judged.
Women just wait at the finish line
He was uninteresting, so he wasn't fanciable, now he is a different person, so he became popular, how is it women's fault? If you met a chick who is obese and has bad hygiene and choose to completely ignore her, then after 5 years meet her again and find out she is slim as a model and dresses and grooms like a princess, will you also feel guilty for not having seen her potential? I don't think so.
thats not an equal comparison. Dont try to justify womens attraction to material needs with mens attaction to physical beauty.
physical beauty is part of who you are, and signals good genes, and women are quite picky with this as well when it comes to which guys they date unless the guy is super rich/famous.
not dating someone because they arent wealthy and because you think you have better options (even though those options only want them for sex, not relationships) is very superficial and materialistic and those women dont deserve to be happy.
Being smart and having the ability to make money also signals good genes. Idiots don't usually become wealthy.
So I think it's pretty equal.
I do get that you want to vent some of your anger towards women, but what you are saying does not make any sense.
sorry but youre wrong and im correct. You definitely dont need to be smart to be wealthy. You could have inherited wealth or just gotten lucky. Many of these musicians dont actually have good genes they where just one hit wonders, same with people who got lucky with investments etc. Also you can lose your belongings pretty easily, while if you lose your looks its either due to aging or some accident/injury which is likely to make you less capable of doing anything if it ruins your looks without possibility of fixing it with surgery.
Never mind the fact that men dont really expect to date up in terms of looks, unless they can compensate with wealth. Women either want a man much better looking than them, or a man of similar looks and significantly more wealth than her, or an ugly/really old guy who is rich. Of course all of them dream of the full package but most of them sre not that delusional that they can get christian gray.
Sorry, but that is a good equivelence. Same thing. Don't male hamster out of this one.
I didnt hamster at all. Okey I will waste my time proving you wrong. Here are some links.
IQ differences in gender
more women in corporate boards reduces performance
only men technically pay tax
theres more but start with these.
Honestly they resent that Op didnt get with them since theyre so used o being seen as the prize. Its really sad what lengths females go to to chain up their dogs.
They resent him only because they hamster away reality.
He reminds her of reality, she feels bad, so she looks for the closer man to blame.
I'd be tempted to break these women, to make an example and humiliate them publically so that no more men must suffer this fate.
Chill bro. They don't owe you anything. Turn that anger inward and into gainz. Don't waste it on hating hoes.
You're right, they don't. It's just fucking frustrating and causes me to rage and sometimes feel despair. But I put one foot in front of the other, in hopes it will get better and I will get to taste the sweet taste of amborsia and stand on the Podium of victors.
I think most guys here know what it’s like to get frustrated, like you’re saying. Some YouTube video I saw is helping me change this perspective in myself. Moral of the story is to look to things to be grateful about. If you keep scanning the world for instances of injustice, it turns you into a miserable victim... the last thing women find attractive. Chin up. Remind yourself every morning that you aren’t retarded and that you live in America.
Thats true. Like I said, it pisses me off. Im a decent dude, smart, creative, omw to a high status career, working on getting jacked, do approaches almost every day. And yet, they ghost or turn their pretty little noses up in the air. Wtf? What more do they want? It makes no sense to me.
You should be tempted to break YOURSELF.
Kill the little beta bitch boy who resents the women who've rejected him all these years.
Turn your rage inward. There is NOBODY responsible for your fate but YOURSELF. You failed the test of nature. You. The goddess does not want your seed passed on because you are a weak little bitch.
But you are a Man. You can seize hold of your fate, through discipline and courage. You can transform your life, and become a man who women want to fuck.
So stop being resentful at the world and at women, and become resentful at the weakness within yourself.
Strength is your religion now. The gym is your temple, and Iron your holy sacrament. Get after it.
Godspeed.
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Not if we can turn that rage into something constructive.
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I don't share your pessimism. We've helped a lot of men here.
Nah. Just gonna get rich and jacked and then do the same thing they did to us
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And why should I not be focused on revenge?
so whats the reaction of the girls who weren't orbited? will their perspective change? can you try to game them again? I'm in a similar situation.
What I mean by not being orbited is basically that you hung out in a similar circles but never really interacted. You knew each other existed but never had any meaningful interaction.
I can think of two girls off the top of my head that reacted positively when they saw me after I had increased my smv by losing weight. They had both seen me in high school when I was a football lineman and had a lot of fat on me. Then in our early 20s they saw me when I lost all of it. They came up and started chatting me up, saying how good I looked, touching me and what not. One I really regret not capitalizing on but I was pretty blue at the time.
Obviously, if there is a long period between when they saw you at a lower smv and when you are peaking the effect will be strongest. If they recognize you they will give you some IOIs and it should be easy. If not then your SMV might still be too low.
A girl who didn’t appeal to you when you had low SMV... and now you want to game them now that you have more options and a higher SMV?
I mean yea you can probably game them pretty easily, but why would you want to?
Maybe because he can? I would do it too, think it like winning easy money with little effort just to have pocket money, just for the sake of being ambitious
Nah. They can writhe and rot in their idiocy. Let them bask in their bad choices. I wouldn't touch anyone in my previous life with a 10 foot pole. If you do you have literally no sense of pride, self-respect or honor for what you went through. Clearly you didn't get disgusted by those types of women in your virgin-like years, if you even had any.
I guess my situation is somewhat different, but I agree with you on every aspect, in fact, I also wouldn't be with any ex, cause I had sex with all of them, I would make an exception with just one girl, which wasn't my girlfriend, just a friend that I always wanted to fuck, but I'm aware that this is not a good idea, cause it seems that I have her in a pedestal, that's why I keep all communication with her to the minimum possible, to summarize, I do not endorse that behavior and you sir are right.
You should have cut her off. So yes, you're still holding her on a pedestal. She's keeping her previous title in your subconscious because you're refusing to entertain any thought that you and her will never get together, no matter how good or bad you see that. Stop thinking you lost her and still have a chance to fuck her. She lost you and it's your responsibility to fuck better, hotter, funnier and richer conquests who won't leech, bore, annoy you or can't fuck you right. There is no one special and believe me, I was you x5000..... Always keeping last resorts and miraculous hopes. That shit is POISONOUS.... Stop it. Stop it right now.
just because i didn't orbit her doesn't mean that she didn't appeal to me. i'm asking because i wanna know if it's a waste of time or not.
No it’s not a waste of time. Girls from your past will be attracted to the fact that you improved yourself and should be relatively easy to game
I'd say don't think too much about it, just do your thing.
But since you asked, you'll probably be self-conscious and it's always better if the woman only knows your better self.
It's definitely a waste of morals. Would you take a job at an enterprise that rejected you when it was shit but wants to hire you now that you went to become a billionaire on your own? No. You don't. Same fuck thing here. Unless you have no sense of value for you or your past. Let that shit go.............
Jesus, this is true.
Being approached and pursued by the cream of the crop in high school. I could honestly call this girl an hb9, back then at least. She begins approaching the wall in her late twenties and she approaches me. God Damn, what a trip.
That ego boost sure is something.
...well - these same women had their chance at you four to five years earlier. They went in another direction and now trying to "circle back" to the men they placed in the beta-orbiter/backup category.
The newest development in the dating and marriage dance is that women are realizing their former beta-orbiters are "unavailable" now that they're all of a sudden ready for a Good Man/Nice Guy.
The Nice Guys are in revolt. They have to face their reality – just as men had to face beta-orbiter status years earlier.
It’s only when women no longer have the advantage of their former beauty, youth, and fertility that men are being "unfair."
It’s ironic.
If you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best.
Lol way to flip the feminist mantra.
I don't know why people don't recognize that this saying is a double edged sword.
If you didnt want me at your best I don't want you at your worst
Haha I'm laughing way too hard at that, well placed!
Yup, all the nice guys that were just backup husbands for these women after fucking hundreds of dudes in their 20s and then bitching about those dudes to said nice guy, are finally waking up and realizing they don't want some washed up old hag who had a different dudes blowing his load inside her each night.
Mike Jones has a good song about this “Back Then”
lmao was literally about to post that
You forgot to repeat each of those lines 4 times.
This is one of the most RP songs out there.
almost every black rapper is deeply redpilled.
Probably because they reach their "peak" a lot faster than the average male so they're usaully the ones to realize "bitches ain't shit" much faster as well.
yeah, its because most of these black rappers didnt get any attention from women at all before they gained fame and wealth. As you notice most of these black rappers are quite ugly and physically unattractive according to women, and coming from the hood means they lack socioeconomic status and potential as well, most of those who live in the hood and try to be gangsters or rappers fail. Being a badboy gangster on its own really doesnt make women interested in you unless they are also stuck in that circle and same environment as them.
Interesting. This is a debatable topic.
The guy has a good point. Lots of Black rappers grew up in very tough and terrible conditions. Pretty much poor and the likelihood of success wasn't good for them, due to all the drugs and violence around them. Growing up in homes where many times, the father isn't around.
They saw how women treated them before "they made it." Then, they make some albums that become successful and they are making more money than they ever thought possible. What ends up happening is those women that ignored them are now going after them. That's why they know how women are and why they say "bitches ain't shit." They have seen both sides in a pretty quick span of time, and in many cases overnight.
I think some of it is black culture in general. My mum has been drumming shit into me for as long as I could remember that years later I've seen posted on here as red pill concepts.
It is an unfortunate reality that the Black community has been hit much sooner by the Decline than most other races.
We practice sexual strategy because women have within our generation abandoned their traditional mating strategy of pair-bonding with a suitable male and encouraging his growth, in favor of the more selfish dualistic mating strategy we all know. This in turn leads to a collapse of traditional family units and the societal stability they bring. This is "the Decline". It happened to Black culture a generation ago.
Not really. Most of them just rap about shit, then do the exact opposite.
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It’s simple.
Men really start to hit their stride at 28-32 in terms of value, and can appreciate from there even.
Women tend to depreciate in terms of looks from that point.
Any woman that depended too greatly on her looks in her twenties is bound to have a little bitterness in her when she is older.
Only if she didn't successfully enchant an alpha during her peak beauty years and sink her claws in him. Those women fade in beauty more at ease, as long as he stays alpha.
The thing is, most girls who are above average looking, below 25 yo won't commit to nothing serious, and guys who are succesful and are pass age 28 won't commit to a girl unless she is a unicorn. What I am seeing now is a lot of bitter woman in their late 20's unable to lock down any quality guy, while these guys are having the party of their life. I have a loot of older cousins and this is the dynamic among them and their group of friends.
It's a huge mistake for women to start the "husband search" in their mid to late 20's. I advise any woman who will listen to start the search much earlier. This offers the best chance of locking down a Good Man based on their highest SMV window.
Women have to improve their RMV/intrinsic and overall value as well, but sexual attraction gets them initial interest. They have to prove themselves as great wives/mothers before the end of their prime years. For a lot of women, based on the amount of partying, drugs, late nights, and the excessive amount of indiscriminate sex "the wall" could hit as early as age 25.
There are some men who won't even consider a woman over 25 as a wife. I've seen a few men state words to that effect in TRP by implementing this age limit as a hard and fast rule with no exceptions.
Many women think the "man buffet" will last forever, but find out much later that's not the case...and then the bitterness sets in because men "won't cooperate" with their flawed sexual strategy.
Yeah I know! All they have to do is lock down a nice smart guy with ambition. There are looot of them easily available before 23-25. They only have to be supportive, and with time the guy is going to rise in smv.
They can't see it, or don't 'want to see it, or they just think they will be able to lock down something at 28 lol. A cousin of mine is like this, quite attractive for her age (30), a lawyer but she is losing her smv at super fast rate... he dated a lawyer, and a doctor in the last year! Both of them dropped her when she asked for something serious LOL. And these guys were way below her in physical appearance... she is getting so desperate and biter that is painful to watch. She bashed my 18 old sister's boyfriend in Christmas, a 30 old fucking woman doing that was the lowest I have seen.
They can't see it because it is not in their nature to see it. That is why the women's family plus societal pressure would have "encouraged" her to do the smart thing in years past. Oh well. Be careful what you ask for!
As a woman I agree. I’m the opposite of this madness. My mom’s best friend married a man she would never consider and was shocked to find it was a great husband and father.
Thank you for your valuable insight ma'am
Since hypergamy is leaving more and more men sexless until later in life and so many more men are waking up earlier and earlier because of the manosphere, women will end up start committing earlier. I've read some stories about it on here already. If they can keep their choice man in the blue well enough, they've got their pension.
A pair bonded alpha is like winning the fucking lottery for a woman.
Even then she'll Fuck it up if he doesn't provide enough excitement/dread/drama.
And the women who did that, assuming they didn't cheat and stuck to sex in relationships only, locked down said alpha at the expense of not using their beauty for fun on the cock carousel. AWALT speaks of women's potential, not practice, and some women consciously choose not to hoe around so it nets them a better man. This is not to say such women are unicorns or that they may not at any time change their mind and decide they want more/other guys instead
What's ironic is that these girls using their beauty to hoe around for alpha cock are essentially alpha windowing themselves.
Women depreceate even in early 20's. Excess drinking, drugs, jobs and stress meant for men, too much skin damaging makeup, no sleep, but with biologically and mentally thinner skin than men wreaks havoc on the female form. Praise the gods I'm male. My value just keeps increasing every year. Ill choose my life over any woman that has ever lived on the planet.
The partying really starts to hit them from age 22-28.
Women just age faster in general.
This is one of the most underrated comments on TRP. Women do have a chest of gold between their legs.
They have a source of power when a human should not have that corruptible power. Even without the tingles and the feefees, giving a 17yo nubile hot cheerleader the same amount of influence in the SMP a man in his mid-thirties, battle-hardened and molted for success has AND then taking it slowly away after 27 is a freakish twist of nature.
There's also opportunities for both sexes to decline with chronic health problems. What's my point? Trends are useful to recognize but you can't fixate on them. It's a tough world out there for everyone who isn't following a good path, which includes weak men and useless women. There the underlying element of life's' challenges that isn't discussed enough in this sub. It's not clear to me how people should deal with getting old, men or women.
I agree about life’s challenges. This is a young forum, with many youthful opinions, stories, and boasts, but the theories extend to all ages. You are judged by your peers, after all. I would never compare my success with women to a twenty year old beta. In later years, how well you advance as a man, grow a family, retire, maintain a happy existence can be improved by the principles and theories found here.
Too true. We need more discussion on how to deal with true difficulty; things that can’t be fixed by lifting, career advancement, learning game, etc. Your chronic disease example is a perfect one.
Yeah. There are certain things in life that you basically await for a miracle to solve. I have a rare condition that can't be fixed due to difficulties in it's structure. Already experienced an internal bleeding happened in my brain. It has been 3 months since that. 2 months of lying in hospital made good work on my toned muscles, I was a skeleton when I wake up.
My right arm is a bit numbed, a bit weaker and much less agile. It was like this before the incident too mind you. I usually wake up with extreme pain in my neck, it goes away after some time during the day but everyday starts demoralised due to pain. Doing any hard lifts are out of the question completely. I used to go to swimming which gave me an amazing body. Plan to continue so after I get a bit more better.
Do you think breaking up with a girl is painful? I couldn't laugh lauder son. I didn't write this to get sympathy points. I actually do well all things considering and doctors think I am recovering on an astonishing rate. I think emotional resilience TRP journey gave me helped A TON. Still, some discussion on how to overcome this difficulty would be welcome.
A little? These bitches furious.
This is so true. It is also a very interesting time to see what couples in the social circle form during that age period. A lot of ex hotties with nice guys who have their career on track and now rock the 'told you so' attitude. Man, someone is in for a surprise.
If the friendship survives the house, wife and kids time period, I will be there without feeling the need to twist the knife deeper. I will just be thinking 'Told you so'.
Hi!
I really like this post. It outlines the basics of a man's ability to improve and take responsibility for himself. It also highlights female flaws.
The male equivalent of this is coming to resent a female friend because she doesn't reciprocate your beta affections.
When a female starts resenting you because you improve yourself it's because she almost knows that she's watching the gravy train choo choo off into the distance and SHE'S NOT ON IT.
Fuck bitches, get money.
Sincerely,
Verisimilred
Amen, fuck birches get money.
Edit: lmao I was on my phone. The subsequent conversation is hilarious.
Beeches, birches whatever you want man because ATALT (All trees are like that).
friggin trees man, they are all the same with their photosynthesis and stuff
Not the discussion regarding wood I was expecting, but did not disappoint.
Yeah ATALT, but I swear this one’s different. Shrubs do exist guys!
You've been blinded by national geographic.
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this child is really going out on a limb
I think that I shall never see anything as lovely as this.
So, are we signing our comments now? Is that what's cool these days?
It might not be, it might be, who knows?
But heck I'm gonna do it anyways.
Sincerely,
Verisimilred
This entire thread is tragic... You are such an awkward, weird person. I hope you get help.
*"Large and ugly" is the best unsolicited description of my penis I've ever heard LMAO
You post dick pics on the Internet for strangers.
'Nuf sed
You were impressed, weren't you :))
To be honest, I was expecting to see random posts and was greeted by your dick.
It was a large ugly penis, I suspect your face is pretty ugly as well, otherwise why else would you just post your dick to these things?
Go and meet a nice girl who can judge it for you and stop trying to bother me just to be 'different'.
You must've read the thread to deduce that it's a tragedy so you've obviously seen the generally positive reaction that has stemmed from it.
Agreeing with others doesn't make you 'beta' or make anyone hold a lesser opinion of you.
Misguided insults and a sad frame of mind makes everyone think you're a dickhead though.
Hahahaha I'm sorry my big cock isn't as fair and feminine as your lil nub..
You've made me really happy today. You really admired the big fat thing to have such an interesting description and reaction.
I wish your comprehension skills were as good as my patience is in abundance.
The only description I gave was a flat out observation. E.g large and ugly.
lol shit this is embarrassing.
A dude literally still thinking people care about his dick size.
How so? Would you consider explaining or are you ok with lobbing negative opinions and insults in a forum built around helping men lead themselves to a better life?
The entire us-versus-them attitude is weird and sad. People are just people. Some people will disappoint you and some people will be good to you. Some of those people will be men and some of those people will be women. The entire outlook that you guys foster is incredibly misguided. This habit of taking your frustrations out on the concept of femininity because of your own insecurities is self-destructive.
Why are you here if you don’t agree with it? It’s obviously works. What would your alternative be?
Because I want to.
Not so obvious. I simply see a bunch of guys complaining about women. What's working?
Self-respect, respect towards women, respect towards people in general. Give up the revenge fantasies.
So you’re here to shit on people with no real alternative to what seems to be working for them?
The theory is sound, women simply don't like logic being brought into relationship dynamics since they're less logical. It makes it easier for you when you can drag us into the argumentative muck of "pathetic, shame, creepy, weird" (which you have already attempted).
I don't respect women, I don't respect men. Not unless they give me a reason to.
Women peak first, then learn the realities of the smp.
Men learn the realities of the smp, then they peak.
This is why women ultimately lose in the feminized West. They literally don't know their value will dwindle after 25 and before they do, it's often too late for them to lock down a beta or even alpha they could have easily locked down in the past.
Also, recognize the ego validation you're inspiring here. This is a feel good platitude post and with that comes incessant mental masterbation.
The reality is, these girls didn't choose their fate; society did. Blaming women for hypergamy, shitty values and promiscuity is the same as blaming you for being a suplicating beta at 21 instead of the alpha you "should have been."
Most importantly, make sure to blatantly showcase your value to the post wallers/single mommas and fembots by having a hot young 18 year old on your arm when you're in the 30+ age bracket. The vapid, entitled nature of these fat slags really is an eye opener when they try to age shame you.
To which you respond:
'Quit staring and cook me dinner, or else I'll just assume you're only good for sex.'
You don't owe women shit.
Had some age shaming this weekend. Post wall plaster blaster couldn't keep her eyes off me the whole night ( with hubby right next to her) . Soon as one of my plates ( hb8 18yo amature model thingy) comes and showers me with affection, she literally attacked both of us, calling my plate a bitch and asking me why im with a 12yo... all the while I'm observing her actions and laughing. She never got it .
'Sorry I don't prefer roast beef.'
'Ok mom, did you make my chicken noodle soup yet?'
'Are you suggesting my girl isn't empowered enough to make her own decisions?'
'Fuckoff fatass.'
All very appropriate.
That's the weird shit. When I was mid-30s, I had one girl that I was hitting on at school; she put me off on one pretext or another, constantly. She was then mid to late 20s. I then started dating a 19 year old. So, I ran into the older woman at the library, and she started lecturing me! "You have psychological issues; you never got any when you were that age, so, now, you're compensating for it!"
She was right, and I smugly agreed! Still don't know what the whole point was, since I sensed that she still didn't want me for herself.
I feel like Women and shaming go hand in hand if you're not the dude that they're chasing. Also seeing that you gave up chasing her for forever in order to date someone younger , more vibrant , and more available had to bruise her ego . Hell Shit tests could be considered as defensive strategies wrapped in shaming language to see if you'll fold. At the end of the day you're dating a kitten as the older woman ages into an old cat , who cares what she thinks ?
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They're not "dating" that far up. They're just riding a carousel of dicks. They won't tell you they fucked a rando 35 year old only to get pumped and dumped. You don't observe what they do behind closed doors.
Besides that, they aren't only in college, there everywhere. Creating an active social circle with fellow high value men ensures you run into them often.
Agreed. Even on tinder you can create a fwb profile and you’d be surprised at how many young bitches have enough daddyissues to wanna fuck men even as high up as twice their age. Not saying it’s a huge amount, but at say 34 you will be able to hit 22 year olds with no problems related to the age difference.
Yup I’m 32, my girlfriend is 21 and hot.
How’d you meet her? Genuinely curious now after OPs original question of where to meet younger women.
They aren't dating these men, they're just getting their box plowed in the back of his BMW after a fun adventure, while telling all their friends and you they're busy at home studying or some bullshit
Not advocating this nor am i ashamed of it but, i had 18 yo Gf at age 30 whom i started dating 2 yrs prior(do the math). Met her at a nightclub. She lied about her age and we were together for 2 yrs straight. We took week long vacations, i met her folks, the whole shabang. After uncovering the truth we gradually grew apaet offer the Next couple of months(no trust.) We even hooked up here and there for the next 3 yrs after the initial break up. That relationship is the final straw that brought me to TRP.
Im 32 and pull 18 yo pussy with muy eyes closed. I dont tell them my age, what i do for a living, what i drive or anything. I dress very basic. Jeans and t shirt or sweatpants and tanktop. 90% of the time they just come up to me in the grocery store or at the mall etc. I dont have super right game either. I keep my mouth shut once i see they show intrest and want to potentially give up the pussy.(young chicks are flaky, gotta let them convince themselves they wana fuck. Too much Game scrambles their brains.
Girls dont care about age of mates. A 17 yo chick will fuck a 37 yr old guy if hes physically attractive and not bat an eye. Is it legal? Not in most Westernized places. Is it moral? Sexual strategy is amoral and so are 99.9% of female kind.
Trust me chicks do alot behind closed doors way sooner, more often and in a different fashion than anybody is comfortable with openly talking about or accepting.
Shit man I had a 19 y/o gf at 39.....fucking awesome, and like you, it brought me to TRP.
stick with the 21-24 crowd. they're at peak SMV and can legally get into bars/clubs without a fake. last thing you want is for shit to hit the fan and you get fucked because you bought rounds and she was underage.
if you lift and read the sidebar on how to talk to women, it's easy. i'm mid 30s. i get nasty looks from women who are 30+ whenever i bring out an early 20something plate.
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Yea I used to think this way too until I see a lot of girls I know from age 20-22 dating guys in their 30s and 40s. 18-20? Those girls are going to stay young most likely.
Where they meet them at? Usually through other people and at parties and ESPECIALLY weddings.
Now girls that work retail jobs (cashier, bartenders, waitresses, clerks, ect...) they will either meet guys at their jobs or through co-worker's friends.
But I know several women (all my younger sister's friends who are 22 and lower) dating guys much older.
What I'm getting at is that there are plenty of women 18-22 that's not even in college. You have girls trying to be models, actors, dancers, ect... These girls will be at places where guys are much older then them.
This 18-20 nah, they hardly ever will date a 30+ guy. But low 20's do it all the times, most of them even brag about it. Tonight I went to a house party, and this girl was bragging about fucking a doctor, he was in his 30 plain looking and was plowing this hot girl... she was 22
The value part isn't his looks is the fact that he is a doctor.
Doctor's are known to make Bank and are consider high value.
Even then a good friend to have in your side is always a doctor or lawyer
yep I'm in medical school lol, I already have some value... also I was trying to pick up this girl and she told me "Uhg you are handsome, but I date older guys... but can call me when you graduate" after I told her I was graduating in a year... I just looked at her buffled, i'm a young upcoming guy who is fit, and has a lot of ambition, and this girl only has a nice face and a nice ass is turning me down like I'm piece of drying shit on the asphalt. I could have literally been her ticket out of middle class. I probably could have picked her up with tight game, but It is just not worth the hustle.
You’re expecting women to think like men. This one tipped her hand early, you should be grateful.
Very few can think more than 2 days in the future. They want to cash in on the cow, not raise the calf.
Graduate and slay.
doctors WERE known to make bank. times have changed drastically. its a rat race in the medical field at this point.
Irrelevant, the public perception is doctors are well paid. Unless they work in the health services themselves they will not know the reality.
You Day Game like an MFer. Further reading:
Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work.
"Women are a Lagging Indicator" or "If You Build It, They Will Come"
My secret was to go and hang around the colleges. Find some cheap class, and lurk around the hallways while waiting for class. Take extended breaks in the lunchroom.
In short, go to where the 18-20 year olds are.
Bingo. Im in community college now. Its like fishing with dynamite.
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Anything in drama or arts. Fun chicks take creative subjects. Then join a club. Skool you gotta do is be dark, mysterious and indifferent. Once they get nervous let them make them validate themselves and chuckle a little(amused mastery) then play with them little a bit. Worlds like a charm. Mature enough to obviously be your age but cool enough to be humored and fun. Clubs give you FaceTime and social currency, your not creepy old guy on campus. Only good loners are guys with motorcycles(you know the drill).
Either you’re good looking and look young OR $$$.
yeah... you a re right, 18-20 hardly ever date 30++, not matter what people here say. Now.. 21-24 yes. They date older guys a lot, and it's not like they have 0 value! Now 25+ holy shit, they lose like 1 point every 2 year.
It's revolting when I'm working out at the gym and some 35+ ham beast is eyeing me up with a greasy smile, basically licking her lips.
Just Deadpan stare her in the eye and shake my head side to side. No.
It's only fucked because I guarantee a part of her feels entitled. Her ioi (dear God) certainly gave that impression.
This is literally my plan for my thirties. I'll be ripped as fuaaark by then as well.
My observations (28 years old):
Single women approaching the wall are pretty desperate in general.
Girls in ltr's that are approaching the wall have a serious case of wandering eye. I'll catch people's girlfriends eye fucking me all the time. They're just anxious to know whether they're still hot or if they already smacked the pavement headfirst.
Girls you plated back in your early 20's start hitting you up when they're approaching the wall. Facebook messages out of the blue etc. (the obvious answer is: "it's great hearing from you! drinks sound awesome, but i'm really busy at work. I'll get back to you when it's not so crazy". Ghost)
They just played the game wrong. A smart women would do everything redpill suggests as far as personal development except keep n count low and have some self control in general. Apparently it's way harder for them than it sounds because all i hear is SPLAT these days.
My office complex made up of several companies is a pretty lifeless place to be really and there are exactly two good looking women in the structure (and they are both pretty hot). One day while doing a break stroll around the building at about 6pm I saw one of them making out with a dude in his office. I'd see her walking around to a bench far outside my window about twice a month.
Well last week I had my blinds open and she literally stopped in front of my window for five minutes while talking on the phone and much of that she was facing me. I checked her out several times and I couldn't quite make out if she was looking at me through her light sun glasses. So I'm wondering what the heck and on my next stroll around the building I stopped outside of my window and peered in to see how visible the inside was and yeah, you could see a lot really, everything pretty much. Then the following day she stays there for a bit and then upon leaving turns hard back to look at me.
Ok so what to do? I decided definitely nothing. You definitely can't trust those bitches and she is definitely up to something like trying to use me as a tool against that guy, or pulling a "bosses son next door is creeping on me" move. You can't trust those bitches. Our company is making a lot of money now due to the fire cleanup so she could have just heard that we are flush with cash. The shit seems scandalous in some way or another. Maybe in another era it would have been my right to bang her and then her shame for being banged but these days the liability is all on my side.
Don't shit where you eat. What part of that do you not understand? There's 4 billion women on this planet avoid the 2 you work with.
You could use some reading comprehension skills.
I thing we've walked a similar path brother. I to was a unsuccessful beta simp desperate for females. Got by on looks but no discipline was present .
Now the tables are starting to turn. I have grown passions and hobbies thst I once thought was not important. Living healthier and lifting really cemented the positive mindset and its only up from here. They say women are maple trees, men are oak . The do grow and mature faster... yet they hit the ceiling quickly and the results are ugly.
I have all these brothers on this forum alone to that for what I have achieved and what I am yet to achieve.
Thank you guys!
Well we know girls don't tend to view things long term. If you were a pretty decent average guy in high school and college, you will struggle with women (that are good looking).
However, when you get older, you will most likely (and you bastards should) have more money, a better job, more status, ect...
Girls don't see that far the line. They don't care if you're some dude busting your ass now and will be good to go when you are older. They are like the NFL when it comes to contract signing (what have you done for me lately).
Hell even when you are older, they don't give a shit that you missed all those parties in college studying for your software engineering degree or whatever. They only see the finish product. So remember that.
As long as you have your shit together, STAY HEALTHY, and no kids, you will be fine when you are older. I still say, enjoy the struggle in your 20s, practice what works with women and don't work. More experience the better.
Last thing you want to be is some fat CPA corporate slave that don't know how to talk to girls. Good luck at that point thinking your age is going to help you pull women.
As a CPA this hits hard. Definitely not fat/ out of shape but could definitely be hitting the gym harder for them gains. Never had a problem pulling girls as I'm not autistic around women, but truth be told you're either improving or declining... can't get comfortable. I needed this.
Gawd, I still need to talk and seduce girls and shit. I still dont know how the fuck to do it or make friends to go out to parties and bars. I´d hate to be the lonely guy at the bar.
Not sure how old you are but people usually make friends witn co workers The older they get. If you get invited for happy hour or whatever, just go.
Me personally I met all my friends from co ed rec league sports.
I am 25 yo, I have been trying to talk to everybody in my department. I wave at them whenever I meet them, say some witty remark, engage in small talk, whatever. However, this is not friendship, I tend to talk when talked, but I never go out of my way to talk to the lady two meters at my left. Or the intern girl behind me. Approach anxiety.
Last sentence you have there is your problem.
Yea, probably. I just went to make small talk to this intern girl for example and it was good, we laugh, we talked we shared experiences for 10 min etc. But I still dont get it, how can I make it flirty yet seducting and no it make it seem creepy or whatever?.
How can I go to the next level? how can we make people like us beyond being "the guy at the office".
Well I won't have the best advice here, but I will tell you what works best for me in yiur situation.
One, dont shit where you eat. You shouldn't be flirting with any girl at a job ou truly care about. If they flirt with you and flirt with you hard then you wont have to think so much on how to game them.
Now if you want to ignore what just said above, I would make small talk and ask her what her plans for the weekend are.
Whatever she says, you could respond, "i'm go to xyz, was seeing if you wanted to join."
That's not a creepy way of asking her out, that's you just inviting someone out guy/girl you're cool with.
Yep. She was hot shit and you were average Joe. Then she became a 27 year old single mom of 2. Meanwhile, you hustled at your job and worked out like a madman. Before she would have never dated you, now she hates you because youre better and now out of her league
She could just be a washed up 20 something, no need to push the single mom meme like NiceGuys™ do.
Here's some insight. Why are you still concerned about what they think of you? Considering you've moved on and improved yourself to bigger and better.
It's like still wondering what those kids who made fun of you in high school are up to and what they think about you currently.
Your issues ua that you still seek female companionship. My advice: if you're still seeking female interaction male sure that it only on your terms. The minute you start to compromise with them, it's basically giving into all her wants.
You already understand sexual market value. They'll never fuck with you again so long as they're always reminded that they'll never be better than you (physically and mentally). Yes, the minute a female thinks she's above you is the minute they start monkey branching and making unilateral demands. This "everyone is equal" bullshit mindset by men will always have their women saying "I want an open relationship..."
Understand your boundaries, your value, and don't flinch on them.
I'm starting to see it now at 26, women who used to have tight asses and stomachs are seeing them drop to the floor like duffel bags by the day, and I'm just constantly improving and getting better day by day in comparison
bro, those chicks you used to find hot back in school are proper gank now hah!
To me it's not even their bodies. You can see it in their face. Girls that used to have very soft feminine features look like they're literally shriveling up. There's tons of girls I used to find hot that now suffer from "man face"
I suspect drinking has a lot to do with it too. It's as if alcohol speeds up their decline.
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You're not wrong, but OP seems to have directed this post at the young bros who most likely do not know any better.
This is is the beauty of the game; enjoy.
I wholeheartedly agree, as a young man I was never lacking in the face department but I was just skinny due to an Auto-Immune disease. Women were happy to have a casual relationship with me, have me go to events and things with them and at the time I was just hoping to meet a friend of theirs or something.
Ten years later these same women approach me with almost a hostility when saying hello in passing, like they're mad at me for becoming well rounded and not getting fat, bald or falling off the rails. They're upset that I don't treat them like the beta-blue that used to listen and never get to talk, I must have become an asshole right? In reality I just put myself first because nobody else will, I no longer treat every person as potential for expanding my social circle, I don't try to show off my talents or wit, and I don't forgive mistakes or obvious faults just because she's a woman. It all seems obvious to me now but I used to see these things as Not being a Real Man. But fuck that, it's just another manipulation technique to get you to submit.
Never submit.
How are you even keeping in touch with these women after so many years? You aren't in a college or high school setting anymore, don't most people just kind of go their own way?
My guess is social media.
You're on Facebook, you have these girls as friends.
They're 21ish and before you know it the "we're way too young to be pregnant" or "hey I'm partying it up" posts come in.
Meanwhile OP isn't partying or sleeping around. Being an orbiter probably.
Then a few years later OP starts posting his gym gains. School gains. Job gains. Hobby gains.
The women who used to totally ignore him suddenly see pictures on their wall of this guy, and think "holy shit he improved" and boom. This situation.
That's just my guess.
Of course there's also social gatherings like reunions. Parties. Through mutual friends.
Agreed. Many women are shallow and only see surface value, rather than seeing potential. Then when you activate that potential, they regret not seeing it at the time and they project their frustration onto you.
I think if all the thirsty dudes in the world got this, then we'd have a much, much more productive world and be achieving so much more shit. Probably would have had a Mars colony by now.
Instead we sit with 40 tabs of pornhub and 30 of xvideos, 10 from yesterday's bookmarked porn, all ready to be consumed like glutton.
40?!?! How dare you?! I stop at 32 😂
If I've learned one thing in this world that I'd want other people to remember that I've learned: There is no such thing as retribution.
Remember that. It will help you get over unnecessary bitterness.
What do you mean there is no such thing as retribution? It is widely prevalent in the society, culture, movies etc.
I think what he means is it's an illusion. The past is gone, there's no changing it. Better to get over it and get on with today.
agreed. feelings of retribution spring from the wrong notion of free will.
I'm saying that the shit in the movies doesn't exist.
but the feelings of retribution are real!
Subjective. Nothing is real but your perception of it.
Well all these ideas of women hitting the wall in late 20 s or early 30 s might be true ...but not absolute in todays online dating world. I have seen inboxes of these stale breads ( read aged women) flooded with msgs/right swipes from men. One of them had over 100 guys in her lot... ever ready to take her out for wine n dine n movies n shopping n what not. So they have 100 s of options still to chose each weekend as to who will get "lucky" ..
If TRP has taught me anything, it's this concept.
23 here, never had problems getting laid in college. Graduated with a good paying job now. Just got a nice car, starting to travel, and for the first time in my life have no desire to pursue women.
Don't get me wrong, I get horny and consider hooking up with babes from Bumble. But then I step back, jerk off, and I'm over it. It'd just be a waste of time and resources for such instant gratification, when I could instead channel them on things I actually enjoy (guitar, reading, road trips) that will ultimately lead to self improvement... easy easy pussy in my 30s.
Feel so bad for the chumps that chase nothing but tail throughout their 20's. Have a couple of friends like this, have tried to apply TRP concepts with little avail. The blue pill is a potent drug.
Who gives a shit? It doesn't make you any happier when some post wall hag wants you. The fact is, she didn't want you when she was hot. And that ship has sailed.
And no, they don't regret ditching you for Chad in your 20s. If they had it to do over, they'd ditch you again. No tingles, no regret. They weren't going to give up Chad or even the opportunity for Chad just to have some guy they didn't like for ten years who turned out well.
Thinking or dreaming about any of this is a waste of time. Think about the women you get, not the women you dint get who now you don't want.
Quoting another post. "The meaning of life will never be found inside a vagina. Pussy is something you get sometimes because you like pussy. Pussy is not an achievement. Go do something you can be proud of."
give this man some Gold ! ha ha
They never """denied""" you, you just didn't meet the required standards to force them to submit before.
And they don't """resent""" you, they're just re-testing your fortitude extra hard to see if you pass requirements to force them to submit. you've failed many tests before so further testing is required to see if you can withstand. pretty much seeing if you're really as good as advertised or just faking it.
women don't hate men for becoming attractive. that's a completely ridiculous way of contextualizing the male-female sexual dynamic. you could be building an empire full of subs at your fingertips but instead you decided to create a Me vs Them standoff which isn't fun nor healthy. if theyre quality bitches, Conquer them unapologetically and build your harem.
Lmfao what horrible advice. Clearly you've never visited extended despair so of course his language is alien to you. Swerve~
This post has motivated the fuck out of me because I'm fitting your story exactly. Currently 24 and just finished cutting off everybody and I mean EVERYBODY off. All the lurking bitches waiting for me to be better, the ones that never went anywhere but friends, those who knew I was interested. Cut them all off. Funny thing is they know as I broadcast everything as I do not give a single fuck & I'm shameless as hell. Got sick, depressed, suicidal, isolated myself, did a bunch of psychedelics, got my hands on 300k, dropping loads on fixing my body like a celebrity but still having it cheap since I don't need much work at all, at all. Kinda like just going for an overkill. Said everything in the OPs post in every social media platform for public view. Now I'm isolating again to be a millionaire & shuperstahh.
It's threads like these that really pump you the fuck up. Good job m8. Thank you for your contribution.
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I see one flaw in your argument. Just how a woman at 25, at a peak of her SMV does not see anything wrong with it, you don’t see that you are at a physical peak at around 30. You think you earned it, and it could be true. But it could also be that you simply aged and will continue to increase your SMV and provider value until another peak at 37.
Which books have you been reading?
What is "grooming"? I haven't found definition in glossary, and google results are kinda creepy...
If you are balding then you don't age like wine. Some guys need hair transplant.
Some of us look good with a bald head and we're jacked. Would you rather be bald and good looking or have hair and be a 4/10?
Some of us look good with hair , but when they are losing them it uncovers their weird shape of head and big forehead etc. It's my case and I will get hair transplant from the best surgeon. Lots of money but it's worth it.
This guy gets it!
good thoughts OP, we need more encouraging posts like this.
Women at 29 are hitting the wall? I was under the impression the wall was around 35ish. Late twenties simply separates those who take care of themselves versus those who relied on the beauty of youth and let themselves go.
In my experience, mid to late twenties is the target range. That's when a girl becomes a woman and tends to grow into her sexuality. That's when they go from "hot" to "sexy" and actually know how to have fun in bed. Before that, they just look good and let you do whatever, but don't really know much themselves.
I'm not trying to take away from the message of this post; it's a good one and rings true. I'm genuinely curious if there is an agreed upon age range for the wall or not.
No you just repeated all the BluePill feminist talking points. You need to purge that from your system.
No, BluePill feminist talking points would be to hold onto them at that age. I'm speaking strictly from a short-term plate stand-point.
Try getting your dick sucked by an 18 year-old, then get it sucked by a 28 year-old. You'll understand what I'm getting at. Difference is you can hold onto the 18 year-old for a while, but the 28 year-old's time is limited.
I mean true. But girls have seen porn and if they want to impress you they will learn or know how to suck your dick correctly regardless of age. Plus, you can always train them if you are fucking them for any period of time. But this myth that the older girls are more comfortable with sex is a feminist myth. Plenty of young chicks that will fuck you sideways and plenty of old chicks that barely know what they're doing.
Even if it were 100% true most of the improvement comes from the extra miles of cock she has gobbled due to more time riding the CC.
Nether of those attributes impress me. So younger is always preferable. Other people are welcome to fuck the wall approaching hags that are just starting to feel desperation at 29+. But I'm not interested. Sorry. Not sorry.
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It would appear you're the one without experience. However, thank you for your input
For women with model-tier looks, personal trainers on call, and a home gym that actually gets used as more than a place to hang clothes, the wall can hit as late as 35.
For your average American woman, who basically relies on youthful good looks + makeup, the wall starts hitting at 25, and by 35 she's 75 pounds over the line into obesity.
"Knowing how to have fun in bed" is something that can be taught in two or three two-hour fuck sessions, even to borderline retards... but is almost impossible for an Obeast to pull off.
That'w when a girl becomes a whore and tends to ride the CC at warp speed.
FTFY.
LOL. Touche. Still works for me. Not trying to keep her around.
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Is four years ok to escalate to an arm touch ? Asking for a friend.
Is your friend a sperg?
Asking for myself.
That explains the downvotes
You need to ask for consent first.
chill he is 16 why act like a dick to the guy
No, it's just about right. Just think: when you actually have sex, around age 70, how great it will be, because you waited!
How good looking is here recent ex?
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like his face was more handso,e?
like his face was more handsome?
im 20 now so I can only look forward to the future. but good for you man, don't get tied down any time soon!
What industry are you in mate?
It proves you become a better person for your self & along the way it improves your SMV, but you can be snug knowing you dont own any woman anything, kudos to you brother
Ditto. Happened to me last week.
He was short and smart. They both worked high power jobs, and only had one child. No she actually made more than him because she had a phD. Both never had a problem with attracting people. The issue was just he wasn’t the “body type” she liked.
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good they were put in place
I had really wanted to go to my 10 year high school reunion just to see if could hook up with any girls that used to be out of my league but I wasn't single at the time. Would've been a ton of fun I bet.
People who lift, groom, read do awful with women, people who are lazy do great with women, lift and groom for yourself.
I see to many guys who look 10x better than me get no women, as a older male I pulled girls from young guys who were athletes, I can't even run a block, and yet I scored his 18 year old gf.
She refer to him as a butt kiss. Your first priority should be to find what you enjoy, and love yourself, women and people skills don't magically come from lifting it comes from understanding
Yup.
The hottest I hit a decade ago are at best, with the exception of one, a 4 now.
And I can bag better than I could then. (At that age I was getting 6/7, now I'm getting 8/9, especially if they have jungle fever.)
Every ex I meet hates my guts but mills close to me the whole time I'm present. Speaks for itself.
As for the one exception, she's an international escort. She's prettier at 27 than she was at 17, and she's played the game like a champ. Married a millionaire at 23 and already had several hundred k saved up. Smart tactical girl. No disrespect at all.
Women who value themselves search for men with good values and morals. Guess doesn’t matter how much you earn or what job you do, they will also be able to see the loser inside and reject you.
lol who cares, this shit is stupid like you made it and this is how you define success.
Try this one, it's much more fitting:
I don’t think hiking and writing are considered “cool hobbies” by women. Don’t get me wrong I love hiking but it’s not something I would boast about in front of women especially the writing part it makes you look really corny.
But the rest of your post is spot on and good advice especially the part about putting positive thoughts into action. And yes, I turned 30 in July and I have barely aged meanwhile most girls my age look much older than me despite being the same age. Another reason why I’m happy I’m a man!
Going to disagree. It really depends on how you frame it and the woman you are talking too. Because in all honesty ANY hobby can be labeled as corny.
Whether its surfing, rock climbing, playing in basketball tourney's, being a DJ, running in marathons, photography, movie reviewing or being a YouTuber. Anything can be labeled as corny to a woman or a guy.
You used the word "boast" when talking to women. Well that's thing, you shouldn't be boasting or bragging at all about anything you do to women. They ask you what you like to do, you can mention you like to go hiking at whatever cool place and go from there.
You’re being politically correct and I’m just being honest. I mean come on why deny it? We know what women generally find sexy and cool on men and writing is definitely not on that list.
Edit; lol at downvotes. Corny ass dudes can’t accept the fact that a woman would rather date a guy who lifts than a guy who is “writing” as a hobby. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s reality and downvoting me won’t change reality.
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Sure buddy. Keep impressing chicks with your lame hobbies like writing. What’s next? Knitting? Lol embarrassing.
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Right, I made this post for men.
Even worse, you expect alpha male dudes to pat you on the back because you think backpacking and writing are cool hobbies? It sounds lame. I’m not saying IT IS lame but I’m just telling you how it’s perceived by most men and women, no need to be upset about honesty.
No one is upset, thanks for your feedback.
Here's the thing, if you're 25 and not getting women your age and younger, getting older won't help, imo (T 25 myself). It doesn't make sense. What do you suddenly grow a halo and all the bitches are suddenly attracted?
No silly fuck. You have more resources, better character and have accumulated experience that slores want to share.