The difference 4 years makes.

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January 3, 2018

About 4 years ago I went to a party, met this very cute girl and ended up getting her number about 3/4 way through the evening. Later, people were loitering outside as the party was wrapping up. From a distance I saw her giving out her number to a roided up asian guy and being all touchy-feely with him before getting into a taxi with her friends. Like an idiot I still tried to meet up with her -- I set up a date via text a week later, only to have her bail 20min beforehand as I was en route to the coffee shop we were supposed to meet at.

Saw the same girl at a NYE party a few days ago. From a distance she looked the same, but up close it looked like Father Time took a belt sander to her face. I don't know if she's a smoker or a boozer or what, but she had aged very badly -- sagging double chin, wrinkles, bit of a muffin top. Make-up caked on thick in a vain attempt to cover it all up. She emanated desperation, it was painfully obvious that she was "single and available".

A couple hours into the night she came over and spoke to me. Still working the same shit retail job, still into her shit 'photography' hobby, complaining about her friends being busy with husbands/kids/travel/careers, being broke, etc. In the middle of all that she also worked in a half-hearted apology for ghosting me. Yeah, thanks.

Later in evening, more tipsy this time, she came up to me apologized again. She kept insisting that she "owed me" and that "she'd have to make it up to me". Hmmm...... later still, she finally made her boozy pass at me. Drunk as a skunk, she burbles that she has to tell me a secret. She leans in and whispers "Ryan Seacrest always makes me horny." He was on a TV on mute near us.

It made for a funny moment. I remember feeling so dejected driving home from the coffee shop after she ghosted me. Now she was practically throwing herself at me and it was disgusting.

Not much to tell beyond that. I didn't bang her for obvious reasons.

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Title The difference 4 years makes.
Author da-trap-masta
Upvotes 711
Comments 164
Date 03 January 2018 01:38 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl264 points265 points  (0 children) | Copy

Script flipped - check
New perspective - check
Confirmed TRP observations - check

Now build yourself into the guy women seek because you're the prize; not because they're desperate.

[–]lukky_pierre325 points326 points  (29 children) | Copy

HA! Same happened to me recently.

At 25 I had a massive beta bout of oneitis over the cutest hipster girl in all of Williamsburg. It was so bad it's embarrassing to even remember. She wasn't interested, but still toyed with me and gladly ate up the attention and validation I stupidly, willingly served her. It ended in humiliation when she basically went to bed with another guy right under my nose (interesting side note - I wouldn't learn this till years later, but that fucker's whole game was, well, The Game - like, before PU blew up, this guy basically ran the Mystery Method on this chick word-for-word, routine-for-routine, to great effect).

Anyway, earlier this year, I saw her again when our values had basically reversed: I'm older, professionally established, and in good shape. She still looks good for her age, but let's face it, at 38 her value is inherently way lower than it was at 25. Plus she's still working the same sort of loser job she was back in the day. Her SMV, which was once through the roof, had significantly diminished, and mine had raised.

She was all glad to see me, throwing IOI's, and I just... wasn't interested. I wanted 25 year old her, not used-up 38 year old her. Like I'd still bang her if she made it super easy, but the days of me taking her on dates ended more than ten years ago. Sorry lady. That ship has sailed.

A little schadenfreude feels nice sometimes. I walked away from the encounter grinning, like, "in 2004 I'd have fucking married you. I'd have done anything, anything for just a sniff of your pussy. Now...meh..."

[–]1empatheticapathetic137 points138 points  (7 children) | Copy

She doesn't really care. A life of abundance gives her enough ignorance to feed her hamster that she never has to face her true reality.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201680 points81 points  (3 children) | Copy

She doesn't care because of all the nice pharmaceuticals her therapist has her on.

[–]MrJanglesLovesBooty119 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plus all the wine and cats

[–]1empatheticapathetic32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

Have you ever tried em bro. They're pretty baller.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

She's probably already starting to whine to her friends "where have all of the good guys gone"

[–]1empatheticapathetic4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They've all been in her vagina at some point. She just got bored of em.

[–]redd_reality34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

I almost pity these girls for an instant. Then I remember they were entirely cognosant of what they were doing.

They made their choice and now we make our's.

[–]Psycholephant5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just nature running its course. Nothing to get too broken up about.

[–]Skydog0719 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

I just fucking lost "the game", thanks.

[–]synx8726 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

And i just lost it too after reading your comment. Goddamn over 2 years without thinking about it...

[–]Skydog072 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm sorry man, you'll get over it like I did.

[–]Sereden914 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

fuck both of you. I don't even remember the last time I thought of it.

[–]Skydog072 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well now you do, I guess you should thank us for our help.

[–]Sereden910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks a ton guys, I really needed this in my life

[–]biglaughingcock7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

Williamsburg is a shit town with shit people fuck that place

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201622 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're so unique, they all look the same.

[–]2dfx6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Especially Colonial Williamsburg

[–]biglaughingcock5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

mainly talking about W&M. fuck that school brah

[–]anusbleach111113 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah but it’s filled with people from all over nyc who go there instead of Manhattan so it’s not like you’re only going after Williamsburg natives, I’ve met people from every borough there. Also if you’re jacked and you hit up a bar over there you’re automatically in the top 10% of guys available.

But yes I agree all of northern Brooklyn is lame and corny.

[–]Andgelyo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Where tf is Williamsburg, sounds a Hicksville place in the middle of nowhere

EDIT: just found out it’s a place in Brooklyn lmao, I’m a north jersey dude take it easy on me

[–]2wiseclockcounter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's also a colonial larping town in VA.

[–]omnicidial0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can't hear the name of that place without thinking of the song vodkasodaburg now.

[–]babalu32 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

OH man same thing with a married friend I tried to bang a few years ago. Gorgeous italian blonde, so juicy. She was an alien getting green card so she didnt want to mess up with her application and we just had drinks. When she got her citizenship she got a (expected) divorce then called me and we met again. Just that now it looked like someone had sucked life from her with a straw. Looked something only a Dementor out of a Harry Potter movie would do.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (3 children) | Copy

only a Dementor out of a Harry Potter movie would do.

You could've offered her some chocolate at least.

[–]babalu32 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Funny thing I was so scared (and surprised) by her looks that she actually noticed it.

[–]RAiderNat8811 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

something only a Dementor out of a Harry Potter movie would do.

You mean you didn't want to expecto petronum that ass

[–]Rudeyyyy5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

The worst thing about prison was..was the Dementors!

[–]HeinousFu_kery88 points89 points  (5 children) | Copy

Welcome to personal growth.

You've moved on and moved up...and there she sits, expecting the world to hand her something just because she's got indoor plumbing.

Sadly, what will happen in time is that she'll find her beta, squirt out a couple of kids and retire to the hive-mind of her similar friends, content in their approval rather than making any sort uncertainty-laden attempt at a meaningful life contribution.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Having kids for a poor beta IS a sacrificial contribution to her

[–]HeinousFu_kery5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course, which is why she'll wallet-rape him in due course.

[–]blobblobz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is a lot better than the women hit the wall explanation. Men don't automatically get better but you have to grow to get better

[–]HeinousFu_kery4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They hit "the wall" through hive-mind peer pressure as well.

You haven't lived until you listened to:

a bunch of late twenty-something girls kvetch about how life is passing them by in their "ro___tic" lives (no man). Because their best friends are all getting married.

Thirty-something about having children right away. Because hormones. And everyone else is.

Forty-something about how disappointed they are in everything around them and how they drink wine with their friends over it.

Fifty-something about yoga, herbal tea, pets/grandchildren, cleanses (and their pool boy). Just like everyone else.

The lack of imagination, individuation and initiative is appalling.

[–]thedaynos31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

aww man i have so many girls like that who I expressed interest in at one point but never got any reciprocation, but recently hit the wall at 500mph and now hitting me up on facebook as if we're some lost love that just didn't work out or touching my arms if they see me at parties or get-togethers.

the first few times this happened to me were before I stumbled upon this sub and I used to take these things as signs of my self improvement and gave me confidence. but now that i've landed here (about 2 years ago) and the more this happens, i just think AWALT and it means a lot less to me.

What you're describing is going to happen to you more and more if you are the type to go to a lot of social events and put yourself out there. When these girls are young they can be choosy. At some point they ALL become unattractive and desperate.

[–]TRPBackpacker 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Also accoubt for tye fact that after TRP, girls that used to be your 9 are now a 7.

Ppl should do a test abd look at the young pic of the same girl from 4 years ago and see if she is as beautiful as you remembered.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201616 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. I don't know if it's TRP or just time/experience but my standards are way up.

[–]SuperCrazy079 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yeah. I saw a picture of my college LTR a while back (my mom had brought photos on a visit) and was just stunned. All my friends and me thought she was the hottest thing at the time.

Now, I was super embarrassed to say I ever fucked her. I mean, girls I consider below average now look better than her.

It has nothing to do with TRP. It has to do with getting older and seeing more and more options instead of the little communities that are HS and college.

[–]all4gibs3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

it’s all about age

to meet an 8 above 27 years old is actually pretty rare

[–]dontbethatguynow0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Dude i saw a solid 8 for a 70 year old. I hate that shit. Age doesnt matter the scale is the scale.

[–]all4gibs3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

“for a 70-year-old”

that’s ignoring the scale and adjusting it for a specific age, which doesn’t apply because women age like milk

[–]TRPBackpacker 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

To be honest I saw a 35 year old who looked 25. HB9. She did yoga ger whole life. No wrinkles on her face and that's the only instance. Ingeneral yoga girls below 35 are able to maintain their looks very well.

But I doubt chicks above 35 can maintain the look that well. Even yoga chicks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Father Time still undefeated

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet37 points38 points  (6 children) | Copy

The time in a woman's life when she has the most sexual market power is also the time when she lacks the adequate training or experience to wield it effectively to her own advantage.

Unmonitored and unfettered, every woman will descend into a destructive downward spiral of self-indulgence and delusion. This is why women without benevolent guiding patriarchs are doomed to empty pursuit of pleasure during their peak years and misery in their post-Wall years.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Benevolent it

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's why we always say here, "Cherchez le pere". A girl without a strong, masculine, dominant father lording over his family is not likely to be a good long-term prospect. And families with those are increasingly rare as feminism infects the nuclear family and chases them away or destroys them outright.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

My marriage sucked. I fixed it and my life thru TRP but you nailed that wifeys dad is an approval seeking Plowhorse and until I stepped up there was no stability

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have yet to see a single exception to this rule.

Women are water. They take the shape of their container. You, the man, must be that container, otherwise she is a mess on the floor.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It certainly explains the purple haired fatty tatties. Always Always from a broken ass single mom home.

[–]1Metalageddon39 points40 points  (7 children) | Copy

Hah. Yeah been there.

Right at Halloween I met an ex who wanted more money. (She didn't know how much I made, none of her business)

Well she found out and blew up my Facebook and phone, pissed at me. We "mutually" split around 5 years ago, though my parents had pressured me to anyway.

Talk about a caved in ash tray.

She has gotten a promotion, props to her, she's making 90+ a year take home. However her dating life has been shit, absolute shit. She's a 7 physically, but getting lower, and there's nothing good enough about her for someone with options to commit. Guess she learned that the hard way.

Regardless, I was polite, milked her for info (it's free validation hell yeah I'll take it), and even flipped her 10 bucks for a Lyft the moment she tried to get a date out of me. Spent the next hour watching her drink faster and faster until she left with a guy a good decade younger than her, athlete, he won't remember her name.

I felt good. Saw my friends. Got confirmation. Had a very good time. Killed at karaoke, came home, fucked my plate. Fun Halloween.

[–]dontbethatguynow21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

You paid her $10 to bang another guy ..

[–]Flaerndep 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Pretty sure he paid her $10 to go away.

[–]1Metalageddon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure. Maybe.

I'm more focused on paying her 10 bucks to go away and twist the knife a bit deeper. She's not mine, not even a plate, and I didn't even want a peek, and 10 bucks is nothing.

[–]420KUSHBUSH25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy

She leans in and whispers "Ryan Seacrest always makes me horny." He was on a TV on mute near us.

I don't even know how to respond to that. I'd just laugh and walk away from being caught so off guard

[–]Volt52121 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

"Oh really? Because he always kills my boner."

[–]NiceTryDisaster11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are absolutely fucking terrible at flirting most of the times

[–]LuridPiece5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you're taught to be a walking vegetable all your life, its what happens.

Women are mostly taught to coast off somebody else like it's the holy grail.

[–]massivewang10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I moved to Brazil for work a few years ago. I had just TRPED about a year prior to my move. During my first few months I met a beautiful woman (friend of a friend) and we began seeing each other.

To make a long story short she was playing me, talking to her ex the whole time she was “seeing” me. She went cold/mixed signals and so I had the “are we dating and are you interested or not?” Conversation with her. She got engaged to her ex soon after, got married, and has a kid.

Four years later I get a text out of the blue one night from her friend. It’s a photo of them out at a restaraunt, with a message saying “we remembered you tonight”. Home girl started asking about me to our mutual friends. Turns out her husband is a schlub - became fat, poor style, smokes weed, not emotionally involved at home or with her family, and they’re not having sex.

It really was poetic justice for me. I was really frustrated with the situation for a variety of reasons, those initial TRP DAYS/the anger phase are a bitch.

Five years of hard work and embracing TRP have made a proper man out of me. Living in Brazil accelerated my growth in many areas, and has given me opportunities with women that I never could’ve dreamed of. In the beggining I had no idea what I was doing, but I’m more and more prepared for and able to take advantage of every new opportunity that comes my way now.

[–]EntrepreneurToBee22 points23 points  (12 children) | Copy

Honestly, i would have banged her and then ghosted her. If she is attractive enough that is.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

but up close it looked like Father Time took a belt sander to her face. I don't know if she's a smoker or a boozer or what, but she had aged very badly -- sagging double chin, wrinkles, bit of a muffin top. Make-up caked on thick in a vain attempt to cover it all up.

how is any of this attractive to you?

[–]1Revo_Luzione1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've done this a few times. Even more often, I've taken the number, and said--yeah, I'll call you, we'll go out. Then ghost. With the former, you've scored, but given validation in return. In the latter, you've denied even that validation. The latter is preferable when you have abundance.

[–]2CasaDeFranco2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why fuck her if she's clearly below his value?

[–]CuckedByTRUMP1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

More like take her number, set up date, and cancel twenty minutes before.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler26 points27 points  (7 children) | Copy

No, bro. This just shows you're still bitter about her ditching and also makes you as bad as her. You shouldn't even care she existed and you should keep your integrity.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP-3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy

as bad as her.

Nothing this woman did was wrong. Ghosting someone because you have better options is not evil. OP was not in a good state in his life by his own omission. A woman choosing not to give him the time of day isn't some evil woman thing. He just wasn't good enough.

My integrity would never be damaged by not showing up to a date.

[–]unkg6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I don't agree at all. Ghosting someone after agreeing to a date is plain disrespectful and evil. If they are not good enough, why waste your and their time? Ghost them before making any plans or giving them false hope.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

and evil.

You are still in the anger phase and new to redpill if you think this is evil.

[–]unkg3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Maybe evil was a bit overkill but nonetheless; what the girl did was disrespectful and wrong.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nope. Sexual strategy to get this best mate is one of the most true thing someone can do for themselves. It's nature. It's natural. OP was a loser and she didn't meet up with or show respect for his time because he was undeserving of it.

[–]unkg0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No matter what you say, you can't change the fact it was disrespectful and unnecessary. If he wasn't worthy of her time she didn't need to set up a date and give him false hope; ghost him from the start. Although I do realize hypergamy could've been at work here and she planned another date with someone better, but it's still disrespectful.

[–]CuckedByTRUMP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If he wasn't worthy of her time she didn't need to set up a date and give him false hope

This community is for discussion. I am not trying to be rude by asking this but are you new to redpill? Are you still in the anger phase? Have you read the sidebar? Have you made it out to the other side?

Your comment seems really beta and hurt and angry at a mean ol woman. I am not mocking you either or trying to have a dick measuring contest. I can't tell if you need help finding your way. Being a good person just because to people who don't deserve it might get you brownie points but if you peel back the layers on most people you will find that the people who do nice things to be seen as integrous or "good" are the most vile of all people. You will find that those who want the world to view them as the good guys are the most manipulative. This is why bluepill betas are actually dangerous. They want women to fuck them because they were nice and did nice things and gave nice gifts and showed her respect. They want her to owe them. They want to manipulate sex out of a woman through guilt.

Trying to be integrous or respectful to someone who does not deserve it for the sake of appearances or social standards is not a good quality. It is an evil quality of people who are manipulative.

Live by your own code that has nothing to do with the opinions of others. My code says to give respect to only those I respect and never give respect to those who do not deserve it because it weakens the value of my own respect.

[–]IlluminatedElf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen many women/BP-men go through their declines fairly quickly as the years have gone by, especially in this day and age where "body acceptance" is a thing.

I was bullied in school by women who then, were good looking. I've met some recently and they look like they've aged a lot and terribly. It's mostly from a diet of "treat yourself" and the wine-and-Netflix culture that has permeated the world.

Don't buy into that culture and let yourself be someone that gets into a steady decline. Age =/= looking old.

[–]eaeulis4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

thanks for sharing. nothing more satisfying than self improvement and having the upper hand now

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You shoulda smashed and never texted her back

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

he did the right thing by not doing it. the make up alone would make me throw up a little in my mouth. op values his self respect more than some party skank.

[–]WinyPlateletpheresis 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Why does it feel like this is coming from a wrong place. I can't tell if you're deeply down angry at the girl, or simply circlejerking about women hitting the wall. Happy for you if you've moved up in life (which seems to be the case), but there are better ways to spend your time, than rambling about past girls.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

but there are better ways to spend your time, than rambling about past girls.

Actually, writing your thoughts down is one of the best therapy methods for introspection and personal development.

Not to mention that if everybody had this attitude there wouldn't be any field reports at all or even TRP forum, because there are better ways to spend your time than share your knowledge and experience for free to strangers.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

if everybody had this attitude there wouldn't be any field reports

By that logic, you essentially declare any piece of content that has ever existed on the internet off-limits for criticism. Perhaps the last sentence of my original post is badly worded, but I guess you can see where I was going with it.

introspection and personal development.

I disagree; I think that OP's post has nothing to do with introspection. Everything he does is briefly stating a motivation for his rant, and then proceeding to laugh about the girl, which has obviously hit the wall. The remarks and observations he makes are perhaps TRP-related, but come from a place of arrogance and anger.

I feel like TRP should be more than a place to ramble unfiltered about women. Your opinion might differ here, but although I see the value in regular 'journal-writing', I don't see what value OP brings to anyone with this post-incel, but incel-mindset post.

[–]unkg1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I hate comments like these. What are field reports for then? It seems as if most people on TRP try to find any reason they can to shit on every post.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I guess you'll have to endure the occasional comment of contradicting opinion when on the internet.

[–]prettyflyforabrowngy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i fucking died at that Ryan Seacrest bit hahahahah

[–]DaddyIssues61 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im glad that time was a friend this time around; however, I can’t shake the feeling that you couldn’t see this girl as just another girl - rather, you displayed her as some sort of villain in your story.

Not sure how far TRP would take this, but it doesn’t develop character to insult and ridicule someone to make yourself feel better. The fact that you had to come here and spew this shows that you dint really grow up from the early events of meeting this girl. What have you done? How has time served you? What’s different about you? That’s more interesting to talk about.

[–]etherealembryo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The life of the rep pill man. Amen.

[–]EscherCixWyen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't get one thing What women doing in a men space? Its a strategy to nullify the influence ("notallwomenlikethat" meme)... Irony is that you will find some hoe (RedPillWoman) ,they are not to improve themselves but to make a counter influence... Roosh isn't too good but I appreciate his strategy to fuck women off his website...

[–]liquidocean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that's nice and all, but you still could have fucked her

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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