Domineering, Manipulative Female Coworker was Trying to Edge me Out by Flirting and Ingratiating with Boss. I Capitalized on Boss's Horniness to Get Rid of Her

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February 4, 2018

The sub-department I now oversee and my department as a whole are sausage fests. One of my direct reports has been taking advantage of this (even before I came into this role) to basically create a Smurfette effect. She was the second draft pick for the position I got moved into and only lost by a hair. Keep in mind that this is after I saved the company from a coworker's substantial fuckup and demonstrated competence. Meanwhile she's mediocre at her job at best. Crazy to see how far titties can get you. We'll call this woman Susan.

Needless to say she resents the fuck out of me. Thinks my job should be hers and even mentioned such to a former coworker and close friend of mine. Loose lips sink ships, right? She turned up her flirtatiousness ever since, specifically targeting my superior (who is on the executive management team). He's been falling for it hook, line, and sinker. He regards flirting with attractive females as a privilege of rank from what I can tell and, at one point, even had a "talking to" with me (doubtless prompted by this bitch) about her feelings and to be nice and blah blah blah.

Naturally, I decided about ten seconds into this conversation that her name should be taken off my phone directory and put onto an unemployment check.

I fabricated a line of analytical reasoning as to why a problem that had existed in the inventory systems of a foreign office (we'll say the German office) had to be addressed now. Someone would have to go to "Germany" for about three months (give or take) to fix it. My presence was required here to finish rolling out something that was mid-implementation. So Susan was the only option. Boss man was visibly upset. This was his spank tank material after all. Susan was thrilled. She "Always loves to travel!"

Unfortunately for Susan, the work waiting for her in "Germany" was some of the shittiest, most grueling work in existence. And there was no way to avoid it without it being obvious that she had shirked. So she had to do it. That's irrelevant, but it helped me get through those months knowing that she was miserable.

As soon as she left, I set about finding "temporary" help as a replacement. This had been discussed as part of the plan. I quickly found a more than suitable candidate. She was perfect. She was younger than Susan. She was meek and compliant whereas Susan had been boisterous and dominant. She was humble. Most importantly, she was Asian. We will call her Hijun. I told her that the job was temp-to-perm. In a way this was dishonest. But, ultimately, it was truthful!

My boss, I knew for a fact, had a thing for Asians. He took to Hijun immediately. Like cancer takes to a prostate. And it just so happened that she was a very, very diligent employee as well. Her metrics were far better than Susan's ever were. I took note to mention her success publicly and praise her multiple times.

Fast forward three months and I call Hijun over after making sure Bossman is in his office (which is well within earshot). I tell her, quietly, that the three month period of her employment is ending because the person she replaced is due to come back from "Germany" in a week or two (Susan's project ran late because obviously it did). She doesn't understand. I said temp-to-perm, didn't I? Fortunately, I've nailed the "earnest and surprised" look. She begins to cry and I offer her a tissue.

On cue, bossman comes over and asks what's going on.

"Well, as you know, Susan is coming back and will be able to resume her duties... So..."

"Oh, right." I can tell now that Susan had honestly slipped his mind after three months. He seems genuinely torn.

"Unfortunately, it seems there may have been some sort of... language barrier or miscommunication? Hijun was under the impression this would be permanent."

"Oh, Jeese. That stinks." Hamster spinning. "But didn't you say that her numbers have been really good?"

I nod. Hijun is not crying but is still clearly distraught and sniffling. "That's true. All of her metrics have been stellar. But unfortunately there's not enough work here for two positions."

"Yeah... there must be something we can do, though."

He wants an excuse at this point. I have one.

"Well, aren't they still looking to fill that position in accounts payable? Susan had a minor in accounting."

This position has been filled and vacant on and off for years. Because the manager is an idiot who doesn't know what she wants. This position is a metaphorical toilet with the flushing power of Niagara falls that can dispose of even the largest pieces of human refuse. Namely, Susan. What's more, it is in an entirely different department. But big dick bossman can get her placed there if he wants.

"Hey! That's right!" Ignores me, immediately turns to Hijun and begins to comfort her. "Don't worry, Hijun. We've got it. You'll stay on and become permanent in this role and Susan will take a different role in the company. Okay?"

She's obviously still broken up a bit, but hopeful. She nods. His white knighting over, he turns back to me to deal with the reality of the decision he's just made. "Is she still up, you think?"

"Well, it should be 3:40 in 'Germany' now. Do you want me to ask her if this is okay?"

"I'll tell her." Bossman exits stage left. I let Hijun regain her composure, apologized for the confusion, and made sure to have her made permanent before Susan was back on the same continent. Susan is currently battling the atomic water pressure of the Accounts Payable toilet, Hijun is performing better than ever (she still thanks me sometimes), and bossman can jack off to this nice girl who is not qualified for and has no interest in my position.

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Title Domineering, Manipulative Female Coworker was Trying to Edge me Out by Flirting and Ingratiating with Boss. I Capitalized on Boss's Horniness to Get Rid of Her
Author halfback910
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Date 04 February 2018 06:34 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]RedHoodhandles601 points602 points  (13 children) | Copy

This is the male version of those romantic novels that women like to read. And I just came a little.

[–]universalabundance152 points53 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I really enjoyed reading this and would love to see some more posts like this.

[–]between1-2min24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy

Seriously we need more of this.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[–]Coroshi773 points774 points  (8 children) | Copy

Machiavelli would be proud, son.

[–]MoeJoFlo92 points93 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm getting a raging justice boner rn

[–]blette66 points67 points  (5 children) | Copy


Who is this Machiavelli guy, I hope he is an Italian film director or scriptwriter..

[–]halfback910[S] 26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

My favorite fact about The Prince is that it was basically a job application.

[–]markinsinz71 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What? A reference I'm missing

[–]James_Rustler_7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Machiavelli wrote The Price to suck up to the Medici family (Pope Clement VII, Duke Lorenzo de' Medici etc.) and get into the family's inner circle.

[–]Docbear64424 points425 points  (1 child) | Copy

Something Something 4D chess , impressive way of get rid of an unnecessary stressor in your work environment.

[–]markinsinz75 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea true that. And a all a woman would have to do is either spread her legs for the boss or cry fake tears about some harassment to achieve a similar result.

This is why I believe that while most women are better than most men at manipulation. At the highest levels of manipulations the best men are miles better than the best women

[–]juliusstreicher180 points181 points  (1 child) | Copy

Glad to hear of your good work in fucking over the cunt.

I got a little bit anxious when I read that you said that there was only room for one at Susan's old post; I thought that WK would think that YOUR position may be where Susan could go! You, however, were up to the challlenge!


ETA: I'm particularly impressed with the part where you asked boss if you should call Susan "and ask her if it was OK." LOL!

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. That last part was some quality fuckery. Nice work.

[–]jovemelb 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I wonder how long these bosses will keep the workplace hostage to their sexual whims. They are the bane of the modern workplace. It’s usually some gullible and desperate white knight and hamster. Anyway, after #metoo, they should check themselves before they wreck themselves.

[–]silver-in-a-cloud73 points74 points  (1 child) | Copy

after #metoo ... some of these bosses are promoting the stupid bitches they were flirting with ... basically to ensure the bitches will keep quiet and wont have reason/motivation to complain/sue...

metoo is only making this matters worse for us normal guys.

[–]redd_reality6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

They won't. Female attention is their elixir. This does make them extremely easy to outwit, however.

[–]Alexinfinite014 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's pretty goddamn unprofessional of these bosses

[–]Troll_Name2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a problem of justice - specifically the lack of justice.

When accusations go flying every which way constantly, it doesn't really matter who is guilty and who is innocent. The perfect environment for guilty people. Divorce is faultless, moral tribunals are factless, oaths are meaningless. It's the perfect environment to just cheat all the money you can and spend it on your own amusement.

[–]FindTheBus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

which is why the metoo thing is mostly hilarious to watch those fucks get trashed.

a lot of us men are seeing it and feeling UNREQUIRED feelings of brotherhood. fact is, we wouldn't be in that metoo position, and the people getting slammed by it, abused their authority, and would have fucked us over for "susan"

[–][deleted] 116 points117 points  (2 children) | Copy

If this is true this is fucking baller.

Great teaching moment for how the world works.

[–]FromTheOR31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

It really is. I saw this play out time and time again in grad school. Woman uses looks & social acumen to beat out more qualified men & lesser attractive women.

[–]ImHerWonderland5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

In school now, nearly every female in my classes flirts with Indians or some other chump to get homework and cheat on tests.

[–]Origami84104 points105 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was a masterpiece in how to deal with a subordinate female worker who is messing things up.

[–]ShimaRoosman49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just as manipulative and sociopathic as the women people in this subreddit like to bitch about

[–]Dezperad096 points97 points  (13 children) | Copy

This all sounds like a made-up story to me.

[–]EVILEMU44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, planning on having your boss overhear you letting the asain girl go is not very believable. You wouldn't jump into one of your manager's hopefully private meeting without being asked and you wouldn't brainstorm about finding someone who they are firing a different position on the spot in front of them.

[–]BurnDownTheMission6814 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sounded apocryphal to me as well

And that is probably being charitable

[–]itsmehobnob4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Apocryphal is not a fancy way of saying untruthful.

[–]BurnDownTheMission6818 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy


It’s a way of saying a story is of dubious veracity

[–]itsmehobnob4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

...while being widely circulated as true.

The second part of the definition is important.

[–]dolphin6710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It can be said in a more simple manner. This is just obsfucating the discussion.

[–]AVWA23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Especially the "exits stage left" part, that's a total give away. It's fiction, folks.

[–]kont314 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very entertaining nonetheless.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

The whole premise of this sub and all the stories on it are bullshit.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Aww poor little girl has her feewings hurt. Don't worry, you'll never have a three way, and never have a girl want you so bad she'll do anything for you... also when you're my age you'll be celibate, but not by choice. You won't be able to pay someone to fuck you at 50.

Have a nice life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like a happy person

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We get to have feelings. We get to be loved. You remember not to let your whores see you cry.

[–]gimmesome6960 points61 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hi I'm your boss. You're fired.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then he would report you to your boss for having a username 'offensive' to women.

[–]2awalt_cupcake12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hi I'm his boss. Which makes me OP's boss's boss. We're keeping him on payroll because he's covering up illegal work ethics. Also he's one of our investor's long-time family friend who needed a gig regardless of actual qualifications.

[–]smirk_addict23 points24 points  (8 children) | Copy

I’m confused. You said you made up a reason for Susan to leave. If it was a lie, how did she still have a job whevever she went? Wouldn’t it be obvious when she got there that no one would know why she was there? And why wouldn’t your own boss know you were lying about all of that?

[–]halfback910[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

You said you made up a reason for Susan to leave.

No, the reason always existed. This problem in "Germany" always had to be solved. I made up an impenetrable list of reasons as to why it had to be dealt with NOW and not kicked down the road again. Most of them were even true. The rest were justifable.

Wouldn’t it be obvious when she got there that no one would know why she was there?

There WAS work to do. The work did need doing.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep in mind most of the kids in here have never been a boss, they have no idea how shit works above them.

[–]Irishminer9324 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you've ever worked in IT, or accounting, or anything like that, you wouldn't have to ask. People, even smart people, are easily fooled when the discussion has nothing to do with what you do. Even if it plays a major role in your life there is a good chance when something goes wrong you wont even know why it went wrong. The CEO of the company I worked for borrowed someones wireless mouse, then complained it wasn't working. Thankfully almost none of the people at that office knew what the problem was and I was there. He laughed it off and I spent a solid 3 minutes recomposing myself before walking off. Just because you run a fairly large business doesn't mean you understand all of it.

[–]smirk_addict1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I see your point. But still, if Susan got to wherever she was going and saw that the OP lied to her, why didn't she raise hell? Surely she'd tell OPs boss about all of this? In these type of fields where people are task oriented and extremely analytical, no one questioned to what purpose this new lady just shows up at their office? Why didn't she just come right back? The more I think about this the more absurd this all sounds.

[–]Irishminer935 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

If I tell someone with IT expertise there's an intermittent problem with x computer, they will find a problem, correct it and think they solved an issue. Hell, this is how my boss at my first job taught me not to trust customers. Don't call them out, but don't trust them either.

[–]Venus-cutter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know. I have one foot in software and just a basic grasp of finance, and it's hard to bullshit me. I consider myself pretty intelligent and I don't TRY to sniff out bullshit, but sometimes it's obvious.

People's "complicated" tales of "it's too complicated to understand" (very common in IT/ dev/ and finance) quickly unravel the more high-level you get. Especially if they are deadset on a specific outcome (like this guy and getting Susan to fix it, and immediately, and need an on-location from overseas) -- I also work in an American-European company with frequent overseas travel too.

Think of it as a checksum. You may have complicated stories and processes and obscure bullshit you throw out there, at the end of the day, you know if it doesn't add up to the checksum, some bullshit happened.

In your example, I don't work in IT, but if I did, if someone had a problem I'd probably try to find what actually caused it, and if found nothing, just say 'well it's working now, who knows' -- not just grasp onto the first bullshit thing it may have been to get them to 'fuck off' but that's just me.

[–]Irishminer931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's easy enough to say after all the diagnosis to say "Must have been user-error"

In your example....

We usually go for one of two things: Either the issue has been fixed or it was user error in the first place. That's why out of nowhere some places will setup some training/meeting/etc. on how to use x tool (something everyone already knows).

[–]RP_EZ-E3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably took a known minor issue to the well initiated and emphasized how the worst case scenario would "justify" doing work on the front end now to avoid it. A tactic I've seen keep whole careers afloat.

[–]megamanxtc4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Masterfully executed.

[–]trppr5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Replacing white women with asian. You have seen the light.

[–]bbm725 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like a well-played game of chess

[–]refunkulation1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you’re smart enough to play these political games you ought to be in politics. Or “outside consultant” who advises high level execs on how to play these backstabbing games.

In the end, don’t go too deep in the corporate world, leverage your increased role into something else. I’ve seen it play out with my own two eyes, Susan will come back with a vengeance if she’s as bad as she sounds.

Women like her WILL lie and accuse you of harassment, and if your HR doesn’t have a backbone you’re gone along with your reputation.

Trust me, this game may feel good now, long-term you’re still a man an inch away from a false harassment suit.

[–]halfback910[S] 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'm an Ancap. I don't think I could stomach being involved in government in any way. I'm not the most principled man, but I've worked in government before and fucking hated it.

Also I'm a gold star homosexual so sexual harassment stuff would be hard to make stick coming from a woman. And male sexual harassment claims would probably just be dismissed out of hand.

If a woman did try to play the "he sexually harassed me" card, I'd play the "Are you discriminating against me because of my orientation?" card. I wouldn't like it, but that's a card I have and I'd play it. In many municipalities and states there are even statutes on the books that strongly favor me in a lawsuit that amount to "Are you gay? Was you being gay known to your employer? Were you fired for any reason? 50/50 shot of you winning the lawsuit."

Again, as an Ancap I do hate it. But I would use it as leverage. It's morally awful, inefficient for our economy, and repugnant to me that these "protections" exist. But as long as they do exist, I will exploit them if I have to.

Also, as far as Susan or HR knows, it was bossman that made the call. And now she doesn't report to me. If there are any problems there it's with him or her new boss. I'm out of the picture.

[–]refunkulation2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fair enough. I agree completely, given the game women have dragged us all into with these harassment claims the only way is to really have counter harassment claims as a means of survival. It’s interesting you know the details. I’ve thought about figuring out ways to defend against any woman who ever tried to pull this against me and filing a false discrimination suit of some kind against her (escalate the situation even more).

Until there is repercussion to proven false claims, women will continue to pull this. Someone I know even has hard evidence that a girl tried to use falsified texts to get him fired, and it resulted in no firing of her. You’d think all this Metoo stuff would just result in women wanting to prosecute those who make false claims but of course they don’t.

[–]halfback910[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would have thought we would have passed the point where everyone said "Okay, this is getting ridiculous." about ten years ago.

But the thing is, if you raise the temperature gradually, the frog doesn't realize it's boiling I guess. I'm not sure what's going to happen. I don't claim to have the answers. But I don't like the way it looks.

[–]refunkulation0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Btw, I recommend listening to the recent Joe Rogan podcast with Steven Pinker, he talks about Anarcho Capitalism as a necessary force to breakthrough the model that has been created, he's very careful with his words, I can't really tell where he stands but he's incredibly smart, and seems to understand all worldviews simultaneously on a deep, mass psychological level, just about as well as anyone I've ever heard. I've skimmed through his books, but definitely going to read more. He seems like he leans towards a Hayekian-Libertarian worldview to some extent. Fascinating guy.

[–]FindTheBus0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I feel more interested in the kind of games described in your OP than seducing women. I can handle women. Power games, social dynamics like this from the friend circle level to the local music scene to corporate politics.. that fascinates me.

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mean, on some level it's nice to fall asleep at night knowing you defended yourself.

On another level, I just wish I could do my fucking job in peace.

[–]FindTheBus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hear that. I hope you keep making good social dynamics posts, though.

[–]ThrowFader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]Gozsayin3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bro between the eagles winning the Superbowl and this post I can't stop smiling. Nicely done nicely done.

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean... go birds, of course.

[–]1cappadocianhawk10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You dirty dog! Well done! I really like how you got rid of her without compromising the numbers for your company.

[–]bearmanpig42 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Color me impressed, but please no more. I can only get so erect.

[–]everyone_wins2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are a good writer. If you are not making $1000/hr as a copywriter, you might want to consider it.

[–]tdogg19672 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And they say you can't be in business and be a marionette at the same time. Brilliant.

[–]ratherstayback2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, I'm currently watching Suits on Netflix and this sounds like it could be part of a plot in the show.

[–]FuckerMcFuckingberg11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

As a business owner, stories like this always remind me not to employ useless people that waste the company's money and time. (This is directed towards your boss, Susan and you.)

[–]halfback910[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've paid for myself 100 times.

[–]Ricardo29912 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In a sense, this move pays for itself, as you found new talent (very expensive), that you otherwise wouldn't have.

[–]ls7371001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, this is the long game! Remind me to have you on my side, and fuck Susan, whatever her real name is, we've all worked with a Susan before!

[–]MisterRoid6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for sharing! It felt really good to read this story. A less cunning man would have lost to that bitch.

[–]Dravous1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]Hamster_S_Thompson1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great writing style. I don't know if there is enough material in your company but I'd enjoy reading more of this.

[–]JameisBong1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are a god amongst men,bravo Sir, bravo.

[–]Andgelyo1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not surprised, this is the same guy who outted a Chad prior using similar tactics If I remember correctly. The guy is a natural Machiavellian.

[–]SaggyT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, I too am pretty sure it's him

[–]ImHerWonderland0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ahhhh, I remember that post.

[–]DoNotEatTheTail1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I come away from this worried about why you're working for such a buffoon. Excellent story.

[–]zealanderx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I cannot believe this is getting recognition as a cool thing,

This is the most manipulative,

Back stabbing, dishonest maneuver I've ever heard from a man on reddit.

I cannot believe the length of effort you went through trashing other peoples lives, lying and cheating just so you are more comfortable in your current position.

You didn't act like a man at all.

You acted like a treacherous, manipulative woman whose only weapon is social acumen.

[–]Solon640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The only life he trashed was Susan's, and she was gunning for his job, seems fair to trash her before the blow falls on him.

He keeps his job.

He got a job for a hardworking young employee who might not have had one otherwise.

His boss gets a new cute piece of ass to stare at.

Really, it's a win all around, except for Susan, but if you wanna play the game, sometimes you're gonna lose.

I'm gonna guess you've never had to deal with office politics before. This sort of shit happens ALL the time. You can call it snaky, you can call him names, but at the end of the day, he won. That's what is important here.

[–]NobleShitLord1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"This position is a metaphorical toilet with the flushing power of Niagara falls that can dispose of even the largest pieces of human refuse. Namely, Susan."

This was beautiful.

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus Christ stories like this are why I work for myself. That said well played sir

[–]Irishminer933 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't wait for opportunity, you create it. Good going.

[–]Fulp_Piction2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

slow clap but what's your rationale for making Susan suffer? I'd have cut off the diseased limb and forgot about it.

[–]halfback910[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, this way I didn't fire anyone.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


She attacked defended yourself.

And improved things for the company at the same time.

[–]astudentofTRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Regardless or not this post is true or not, it’s still a valuable lesson in the 33rd Law of Power: discover each man’s thumbscrew.

[–]abhi_072 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow! That's a great strategy!

[–]Solipsistic_guy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

48 rules of power applied at their best !

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Has this sub really just become a bunch of men angry with women rather than men trying to improve themselves?

You all applauding this guy sound like children

[–]Solon641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Please enlighten the sub on what you would have done in his situation. Roll over and let Susan take your job?

I see nothing to suggest this is anti-woman. He could have done the same thing to a man trying to take his spot. Business should be a meritocracy, whoever plays the game best wins. He improved the company and protected himself from a poacher. Of course we should celebrate the winner of the game, or do you think jobs hand out participation trophies like they do in kid's tee-ball?

Go read the 48 Laws of Power, really, this is textbook.

[–]newName5434560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This certainly counts as improvement of one's business situation, no?

[–]SnowMonkeyCracker 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Hang on a cotton picking minute. If OP is only slightly better than Susan. And Hijun is significantly better than Susan. Then, by the transitive property, Hijun must be better than OP.

So OP has replaced a cunty competitor with an even greater competitor who's only advantage for OP is not being a bitch.

I think somebody played themselves.

[–]12inchcockbobby23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

He said in the last 2 lines that she's not qualified for OP's position

[–]ParanoidKasparov10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

He also stated it was in the context of a popularity contest. Susan is supposedly mediocre in her ability to actually do the job.

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hijun does not have a college degree and so cannot possibly be a competitor for my position.

[–]Dubwiserr2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So you and Susan both were highly qualified people doing work that someone without a degree excels at? I'm glad you promoted.

[–]halfback910[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, I was in a completely different role in a different sub department before this.

[–]forgetful_storytellr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But she’s not domineering and there’s a communication barrier, both of which would prevent her from advancing in the position for the foreseeable future.

Excellent worker bee though it seems.

[–]throwaway-aa21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There 2 parts to this, one is an oversight, an the other is an assumption you're making.

  1. He already said Susan is mediocre. I don't know where you're getting the "OP is only slightly better than Susan".
  2. A subordinate being excellent at their job doesn't necessarily mean they can do their superior's job. Also, a subordinate can be shitty at their own job, but potentially have the skills to threaten their manager's job. So if you have 2 subordinates, one can be better at metrics and her direct job, and one can be subpar at metrics, but much better managing people.

What I'm trying to communicate to you, is it's very rare that in all cases, a better subordinate means a greater competitor... that's just a healthy assumption on your end. This is on top of the popularity point make by other people in this sub thread.

[–]tigercat7890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dang, that’s some Crusader Kings 2 stuff.😂

[–]redvelvet_oreo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hate dudes like your boss. Also I can’t wait for all these old fashioned managements /exec types to die. They are a plague in the modern day work place.

[–]2awalt_cupcake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

bravo. like a conductor to his musicians- well orchestrated.

[–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A pleasurable had me rolling with your anecdotes and style. I always enjoy a bit of schadenfreude towards these harpies in our gynocentric bizarro world.

[–]1Zanford0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Flawless victory.

[–]The_Wicked_Wombat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is some of that game of thrones shit fam. Excellent read, glad it worked out for you you sonofabitch.

[–]MrEscher0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That was fucking brilliant to read. If I may ask how many years have you been in the office job realm?

I just recently entered the workforce and the amount of office politics is ridiculous to deal with. But undoubtedly it is a skill worth learning.

[–]ThePillAdvisor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If only I could upvote this more than once...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Brilliantly played soldier. Just brilliant!

[–]BasedSliceOfWinning0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It was either you or Susan it seems. Great use of the 48 laws of power to win that battle.

[–]sc16900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent example of using an opponents vanity against them. Kudos.

[–]skippydammit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

GENIUS!!! Brilliant!!! Inspiring!!! 12 stars out of 10...-:)

[–]Xhaka-Laca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Machiavellian to the core. Great post. More guys should learn from this.

[–]general-heartless0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for sharing. This is a well written post about how to maintain your own happiness in life. Crazy girls WILL try to fuck your life up in some way, and you've got to deal with them exactly in this manner. This was sly, smart, and well done. Thanks again.

[–]EPArt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Just rereading this has Susan been flushed yet or is she still causing a blockage?

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Oh yeah. Self flushed. Would have done the same in her position. The accounts payable position has literally gone through two more people since.

The manager has had multiple talking to's about "It's not them. It's you."

[–]EPArt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

ahaha lol well i guess karma works occasionally. I feel like that manager wont be around for much longer.

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably not. She's been through 24 employees in one year.

[–]5559theman0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

I'm a fan of being straight up, talking about shit if there's shit. I don't approve of your snaky ways

[–]halfback910[S] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

If i could have solved the issue with rational conversation, that would have been my preference. But that was not a possibility.

[–]brytlites3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You engineered the situation well. Life is a chess game against no particular opponent. Not everything gets fixed by bros hashing it out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

No man,

Out-preforming Susan in your current job should be enough.

If that's not enough? And you are not being treated fairly at work?

Forget that place, don't be a dependent little sub on one spot of employment. If you're not being treated fairly, take your skills to a place with better respect for your service and hopefully pay increase.

You are so needy, like a child playing games with his younger sister to get her in trouble with parents. This was gross to read.

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

I can't quit my job every time someone tries to get rid of me. That's a losing game. First of all, if I quit often that looks bad on me. What if the next job doesn't work and I have to go somewhere else? Suddenly I'm a job hopper.

Second, I just got put in a very good position that, after a couple years, will let me write my meal ticket anywhere. Not gonna throw that away just so I can puff my chest out and say this guy on reddit thinks I'm manlier because of it. I have to watch out for myself first and foremost. Nobody else will.

Recognizing that you have a very good gig that you probably couldn't get elsewhere (at least until I consolidate 2-3 years in this position) isn't being dependent.

I agree that you should put yourself on the market regularly in general (even if there are no problems) to maintain a high salary. But quitting whenever someone guns for you and management isn't smart enough to sniff it out is simply unrealistic. I feel like this is the attitude of a college student who is getting ready to enter the professional world but hasn't yet. But he's read some good shit on the personal finance subreddit, thought about it for forty-five minutes and has come to some very interesting conclusions that he's going to tell us all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I didn't say quit your job- the way you have framed this is Susan is a real threat to win out eventually. You fucked with multiple peoples lives to serve your own parasitic dependency.

I said, win this glorious office work competition with Susan-

By your own testimony, you are so much more qualified for the position than Susan. If Susan is rewarded for your job and she is less qualified:

This is a completely dysfunctional and toxic work environment. The Red Pill is all about removing toxic influences from your life.

I didn't say quit, I said win...

If you are revealed to be in a toxic place, get the poison out of your system.

Your "feelings" about my position as a college student are off base. I never suggested it's a good thing to test the market regularly. I run a consulting business in large part so I don't have to deal with the day to day drivel of this corporate BS and be at the mercy of Susan from accounts payable.

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I didn't say quit your job- the way you have framed this is Susan is a real threat to win out eventually. You fucked with multiple peoples lives to serve your own parasitic dependency.

Well, I don't have tits.

I said, win this glorious office work competition with Susan-

If it was all about work content, Susan would never have been a threat in the first place.

This is a completely dysfunctional and toxic work environment. The Red Pill is all about removing toxic influences from your life.

Having the title I have and the compensation I have is an extremely positive influence. The rest can be dealt with on a more permanent basis later. For the time being, I've removed a large part of the problem. I think it's fair to say that we can weigh the costs and benefits of different negative/positive influences and act accordingly.

I run a consulting business in large part so I don't have to deal with the day to day drivel of this corporate BS and be at the mercy of Susan from accounts payable.

Okay, so would you say there's at least a chance that you're out of touch with what's required to get and keep a job and advance your career as an employee? Being on one end of the table long enough can give you a distorted view of what it's like on the other end.

I could quit and find something else. But I haven't been in this new role long enough to command a similar role and compensation elsewhere. The reason I got it here is because I was exceptional in a time of crisis for this company. But that doesn't have any credit at other companies. I can put it on my resume but it doesn't mean anything to them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I could quit and find something else. But I haven't been in this new role long enough to command a similar role and compensation elsewhere. The reason I got it here is because I was exceptional in a time of crisis for this company. But that doesn't have any credit at other companies. I can put it on my resume but it doesn't mean anything to them.

You are right-

I am certainly out of touch with this stuff... I don't compete with anyone on my roster, I only lead... and I work in maybe what is the most male dominated field left in American Industry...

Snaky office politics was never something I wanted to be involved in, even when I was in the corporate world. It's time for me to log off. It's good that you got what you wanted,

But genuinely to all of you people who are encouraging this stuff,

There is a saying that I have seen become truth in my life,

"What goes around comes around"... but I prefer... "What goes around......... really goes around"

You think Susan doesn't know exactly what you have done? Think she liked that awful work you described? What do you think she will do with those tits now to unseat you from your little squabble? Hell hath no fury...

The world is your mirror- what you put unto the world comes back to you. This sort of behavior will destroy you eventually. Be a provider (not in a BB way), be a leader.

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Snaky office politics was never something I wanted to be involved in

Agreed. I'd prefer not to have them, but I don't get to pick the world I live in.

You think Susan doesn't know exactly what you have done?

Dunno. Marching orders came from bossman.

Be a provider (not in a BB way), be a leader.

Your assumption is that what works for you works for everyone. That's just not me.

With power comes responsibility, as the saying goes. Heavy lies the head that wears the crown, etc. I don't want responsibility or accountability. You owning your own business is the ultimate accountability: If it fails, you lose everything. So you're fine with tons of accountability.

I just want money. Money doesn't come with responsibility. And when I get enough of it, I can stop working and avoid all responsibility altogether. And given what I'm making as well as my frugality and the fact that I won't have children, having that happen long before the normal retirement age is well within reason.

I neither need to be nor want to be at the top. I don't enjoy having to manage or lead others. It's a chore, really. If I could design a role for myself it would be as a well-compensated right hand man. But those roles don't really exist. So this will have to do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Interesting and good response

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Truth is never a viable truth. Outspoken truth is always the worst path.

I don't see the OP taking glee in it. It's simply as it is, you can't change the game.

[–]youngchappa 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Interesting. What is your line of work?

[–]RedPill_Swinger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's the kind of machiavellinism we need to teach here! Good job! On a side note, you don't need really need this advice but be careful not to doxx yourself with too much information in the future.

[–]2kez88-3 points-2 points  (13 children) | Copy

I mean, you sound like a fucking terrible boss and kind of fucked over the asian, but props on getting rid of the annoying cunt i guess

[–]halfback910[S] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah, I am. But so is everyone else.

I've come to the sad realization that the mere act of being a manager/boss makes you a bad manager/boss. And probably a worse person. I don't pretend to be an exception. I wasn't a good person to begin with and being a boss has almost certainly made me worse.

"No, I'm a boss and I'm great!"

Well, no. You're not. You're probably awful.

Also the Asian chick has a full-time job with benefits. Hardly sounds fucked over to me. I'm also fighting hard (and it seems successfully) for her to get a generous raise come May. Gonna be good to her from here on out. She's a good employee and, she's genuinely growing on me.

[–]sharp72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The truth is you are a good manager. The key to being a good manager is being able to put the company above people without pissing the people off too much. And you did that with flying colors.

Susan was a cancer for the company, she sucked at her job and was using her tits to get more control, the company is better off with you in your position, and Hijun is way better than susan.

Look at the bottom line you:

  1. Removed a cancer

  2. Hired a top tier employee in Hijun

  3. Drastically lowered infighting

[–]2kez881 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

No, that's a cop out. You don't have to be a shitty boss because you think 'everyone else is'. I'm a manager, only of a team of 10 roughly, but I would never pull the shit you did. How the hell do you even have an employee start without a contract detailing how long she will be there for an her expected term of employment?

From the outcome, sure what you did was okay, but you went about it in a terrible way. The asian chicks mentality at work now is going to be that her work doesn't care about her. Which may work for the short term, often does not breed good long term employees. There are plenty of books written on this like 'Start with Why' and 'Louder than words'.

Do whatever you want I guess, but i'd never work for someone like you

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well, independent contractors can work indefinitely in most cases. You make a contract for a year and can end it before.

I'll be the first to admit that the BRIEF discomfort Hijun had to endure was a very unfortunate necessity. But ultimately, my plan was for her to become permanent and everything worked out for her after just a few minutes.

This was ultimately progress. Though the medicine can sometimes be bitter, it is a mercy compared to the death of the patient.

Hijun was unemployed before. I recognize her value in her current role and am pulling to get the budget to give her a really generous raise at the end of the next quarter. She is considerably better off than before. Deservedly so.

[–]2kez881 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm not saying she's not better off. But this still feels like the american (i'm australian) mentality of 'you should feel lucky you have a job, doesn't matter how we treat you at it'. Which frankly disgusts me. A job should be a mutual benefit and mutually treated with respect to get the most out of both parties.

But like I said, you can do whatever you like, and even though the 18 year old fuckwits on this forum will give you a high 5 cauz you got the evil womyn, I definitely think there was a better way to go about this

[–]Solon641 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That typically is the American business world, yes. If you don't provide value to the company, you can take a hike, and the company will find someone who will. There's too many people and not enough jobs to go around, so you better pull your weight. The solution is not to cry about it, but to become an invaluable and thus irreplaceable worker.

Susan in this story was not invaluable. She used her looks to try to play the political game of moving to the top. She ran into someone that wasn't falling for it. Ever try to bribe a cop? It works, until it doesn't, and then you get dumpstered. Same thing here.

Jobs in corporate America don't have your benefit at heart, they have their benefit at heart. You benefit the company, and the company pays you (you benefit), it's that simple.

[–]2kez881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, and I think it's a pretty terrible work culture and probably leads to the fact 4/5 Americans hate their job and/or suffer a lot of mental issues

[–]throwaway-aa29 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

  1. If you're going to make a point like that, elaborate. "You sound like a terrible boss because [insert reason]". Don't do what females do and makes us ask you for the reason.
  2. He sounds like a great boss because he understands how to work the system for maximum efficiency. He got rid of a toxic bitch, and brought a more competent employee who wasn't try to flirt her way to the top. It's a huge benefit for him personally, and a huge benefit for the company and bottom line, and also a huge benefit for his boss who now has a more attractive employee. There's literally no downside to this story.
  3. He didn't fuck over the asian. He told her it was temp to permanent, which means not guaranteed permanent. She cried once, then it became permanent. Also, women cry all the time. Who gives a fuck. Anyone who has a valuable job would be ok with being put in this situation, especially given that he disclosed upfront it wasn't permanent.

[–]Irishminer931 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Seconded. Wouldn't mind working for OP.

[–]2kez881 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So if OP pulled this shit on you you'd be totally fine getting routed to another shitty department because OP doesn't like you and possibly having your career ruined or at the very least have to find another job?

I don't think so.

[–]Jaanglois3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So if OP pulled this shit on you you'd be totally fine getting routed to another shitty department because OP doesn't like you

The moral(s) of the story is (a) don't get on OP's bad side by telling his friend you plan to take his job, (b) don't fuck up OP's work environment by being borderline incompetent, and (c) don't think you can leverage OP's boss against him by wiggling your tits at OP's boss.

Someone who hadn't managed to commit sins (a)+(b)+(c) would probably enjoy working for OP, as long as they remained a worthwhile employee to the team. Example: Hirjun.

[–]throwaway-aa20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cmon man.... Keep up. You don't have sympathy for an incompetent who is gunning for your job. If you're putting yourself in her position, you have bigger issues. If a murderer threatens your family, you kill them and move on. You don't go "well how would YOU like being killed". It's just asinine.

[–]chesterburger8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did he fuck over the Asian? He got her hired! Aside from the one moment he made her cry, I’d say he did her a favor.

[–]Avertus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thot patrol tactics research is improving fellas

[–]AdrianBej0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You piece of shit.

I'm proud of you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

OP is an exemplary Sigma.
OP's boss is an exemplary Alpha.
OP's rival is an Alpha female.
OP's squire is a Beta female.

Edit: OP's boss is a Beta Buxx Cuxx

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Exemplary alpha? The dude is a white knight

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

My mistake. I thought "money" and "Alpha". I forgot about Beta Bucks.

[–]ThrowFader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

OP's rival is an Alpha female.

The only person allowed to use the term "Alpha female" is J. R. R. Tolkien

[–]halfback910[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Is there a reason why it's him specifically? Or is he just allowed to use all the words because he's Tolkien?

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

TRP walks into a bar full of millennials. He has a millennial joke but he doesn’t tell it because he doesn’t feel like explaining it thousand times.

[–]halfback910[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What an emotional rollercoaster.

[–]1Sir_Distic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

He clearly defined the boss as a White Knight jumping to the defense of females. No way the boss is Alpha.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Someone else jumped in and caught me on this. I only have one argument: the White Knighting could be Corporate Game in sheep's clothing.

Clever Fox OP can't exactly read minds.

[–]silver-in-a-cloud-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

i wish i had gold to give you ! awesome long read ! and your style of story telling is just awesome !!

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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