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Women require attention from higher SMV men like humans require oxygen. Deprive them of this and they will go crazy.

by mallardcove on /r/TheRedPill
03 April 2018 07:00 PM UTC

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Women try to gain leverage over men with their vagina. The best way to turn the tables is to gain leverage over them by rationing or withdrawing your attention.

Let me tell you what goes on at my part time bartending job. I work 3-4 days a week bartending on the side.

At this place I work at there is a waitress there who we will call Butterface. She is the definition of a butterface. 27 year old already post wall girl who is a 6/10 on her absolute best day. Her face is a total disaster, but she has a good body and a huge ass which is the only thing going for her. One of those girls who look like a 10 from behind and a 2 from the front. Thanks to social media, she has a decent sized following because of all the whoring she does on there posting pictures of her ass on there and doing butt workouts at the gym. Naturally this inflates her self perceived SMV and ego out the ass and she walks around like her shit doesn't stink. It doesn't help that pretty much every guy who works there showers her with attention and validation.

Myself, being red pill aware, stoic and not shitting where I eat, does not shower her with validation and attention. That doesn't mean I completely ignore her. (Sidebar: Just because we say don't shit where you eat, doesn't mean be a total shut in autist around women you work with. Act like a normal human being.) I still talk to her like I would any other co-worker. I have never escalated or anything because I don't shit where I eat, and if I did, it wouldn't be with someone as flawed as her.

Since I lift, stay in shape, dress well and maintain frame, naturally she is drawn toward me when she is tired of the conga line of betas I work with. She has been trying to rope me into something more than a strictly professional relationship since she started working there last year.(Sidebar: All women assume attraction. This is why you as a man should do the same. Women will assume you are attracted to them anyway, so this is why they are repulsed and disgusted when weak betas try to act like they are not moving too fast or taking it slow and hide their natural instincts and attraction. Women already think you are into them, so why hide it? Only hide it in situations like this, when it involves a girl who is off limits, such as one you work with. However, with Butterface, I am genuinely not attracted to her, so I have nothing to hide.) I've always resisted. Again, I am not interested. I've made it clear. But she continues to try.

Now recently Butterface made a couple of mistakes. One night I was looking to pick up a shift and she was possibly willing to give hers up. I asked her to text me if she was willing to do so. She interpreted this as me asking for her number and proceeded to tell the entire restaurant I asked for her number. This angered me a bit. The final straw was when I asked her casually if she was working the next day as I was off, and she said I don't want to go on a date with you. I didn't ask her. Then she proceeded to tell everyone I asked her out and she said no, probably to fluff her own ego knowing damn well I didn't ask her out. This led everyone I work with to believe I was in love with Butterface despite it not being true. Overplaying her hand, I decided to give her the silent treatment going forward and not communicate with her for any reason unless it was directly related to work, which is rare.

While most men I work with are betas, there is one guy I work with, a fellow bartender, who I will call Dave. Dave may not be a TRP member, but he is extremely stoic, and practices the best IDGAF attitude I have ever come across. He is also rather high SMV, and he too has also been pissed off by Butterface and has no interest in her. Not only does Dave ignore her, but he yells at her and calls her names, not in a joking manner, when she annoys him. One time Butterface was mad that Dave was taking too long to make a bar drink, and she threw an ice cube at him. This really pissed off Dave and he told her to get the fuck out of his face, out loud, to where everyone could hear.

It's been several weeks since Dave and I have given Butterface any kind of attention that wasn't directly work related. It's no coincidence that over these weeks it seems like Butterface has slowly descended into losing her fucking mind. Her behavior, her body language, her manneurisms, her mood. Yeah, she still gets showered in attention from the betas we work with, but she doesn't want that. Yeah, she still has a good social media following, but its all thirsty betas. Always complaining to other female coworkers about how she can find no good men. Her problem is that she is post wall and has rapidly declining looks that her good body and ass can't overcome. She is well past the point of no return when it comes to getting attention and commitment from higher value men. The problem is that since she gets so much beta attention at the gym and at work and from social media, in her mind she is definitely still worthy of Chad's attention. This is partially why she is going nuts - the results she is getting in terms of Chad Attention is not congruent with her self perceived SMV, which is inflated due to social media and attention from betas, and her ego.

Butterface has been trying very hard lately to get the attention of Dave and I, kind of like how Nice Guy Betas try to fix the situation with their oneitis who is rejecting them by peppering them with text messages and phone calls. She has done shit like do our sidework for us, sit at our bar off the clock and give us huge tips, try to carry on innocent conversations with us about things, talk about how great we are to customers, trying to guilt us into hearing her sob stories about how some guy wronged her, and she even gave me a fucking gift for my birthday. It's not working, and it won't. It's a fools errand and despite the fact I feel we have made it clear we aren't interested she continues to try anyway. This must be how women feel when betas who they friendzone continue to try anyway.

Now I know what you are all saying. /u/mallardcove, why the fuck does this post matter? It's a field report about a girl you work with, don't shit where you eat. You didn't end up fucking her so what's the point?

My point is that women desire Chad's attention more than anything else. They survive off of it, and live off of it. By not giving her what she wants, you gain the upper hand. Just like as there is a such thing as too much Oxygen, there is a such thing as too much attention. If you give away too much attention too easily, she will perceive the value of your attention as worthless. Attention has to be earned and then carefully rationed. And when boundaries are crossed, it has to be withdrawn, and depending on the situation, withdrawn for good or work has to be done for it to be earned back. When you carefully ration and control the flow of attention, the woman will work harder to earn it and from there its easy.

This is why you see all these articles/stories about former high value women in their prime who have since hit the wall and are complaining that men don't pay attention to them anymore. Nothing could be further from the truth. They still get attention from men. The problem is the men who give them attention are basically invisible to them as they are betas. They are complaining that they no longer get attention from Chad. It's not male attention women crave. It's Chad attention. Attention from high value men. Attention from betas and orbiters on social media is like the free space on a bingo card, its expected and the baseline. It's there to keep the woman from feeling like a worthless piece of shit. Attention from betas serves as negative re-enforcement for women. Attention from high value men serves as positive re-enforcement. If you get nothing but negative re-enforcement and no positive, you go crazy.

Negative Re-Enforcement: "If you do this, I won't spank you".

Positive Re-Enforcement: "If you do this, I will buy you a treat."

Attention is a byproduct of commitment, the most valuable asset a man has, compared to the woman's most valuable asset, her pussy. This is why the male equivalent of a gangbang slut is one who freely gives out his attention to any woman who even gives him a friendly glance and why women don't respect them in the same vein that men don't respect sluts. Regulate the flow of the attention you give out and I guarantee you that you will see results. Your brain is hardwired to think that the way to win over a woman is to be there, be around them, constantly communicate with them and win them over. You have to fight your brain. Presence doesn't make the heart grow fonder, its absence. Challenge yourself. When you find a woman who you are attracted to, its natural to want to always be trying to talk to her and be around her. It's easy to pick up the phone and text her. Don't. See how far you can make it without communicating with her. The longer you go not only will she bend over backward trying to communicate with you, but you will see that she isn't special, AWALT, and that there are better options out there.

TLDR: Your trump card is your attention. It has value. Therefore don't freely give it away, instead ration it like bread lines during the great depression.

Post Information
Title Women require attention from higher SMV men like humans require oxygen. Deprive them of this and they will go crazy.
Author mallardcove
Upvotes 723
Comments 115
Date 03 April 2018 07:00 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/49516
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/89h8di/women_require_attention_from_higher_smv_men_like/
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255 upvotesanon_nonapplicable2 years ago

It's unpredictability that women fall in love with

'Omg, it's been a day. Other worthless losers would've texted me back instantly but he hasn't, he must be with another girl :(' (as an example)

Women will see that you have a life, a purpose and if women sense that you won't be needy, they'll chase you. Men want women, but women need men. Women always go for the power play by making the man go through hoops just to win her love, not knowing that by working harder for her, you actually make her respect for you go down since you'll look like a needy beta. Women think A LOT and their hamsters will do the work for you. They'll think you're spending time with a better woman and in their mind, competition brings out the worst in them. They'll try to prove they're better by working for your attention

You think Ryan Gosling or Channing Tatum would spend their time chasing ONE girl? They most likely have a harem and that's why their SMV are through the roof because of the Pre-selection they get through the admiration of the women. Neediness indicates that you have no purpose. Butterface saw you and Dave had a purpose -> focus on work and not on women (in a woman's mind, that means I value myself first and foremost and they find that raw masculine power to be sexy)

Solid post, upvote from me.

27 upvotesclammastak2 years ago

you could argue that Channing Tatum did chase one girl for 9 years. he only recently got divorced from her.

17 upvotesanon_nonapplicable2 years ago

True. She probably couldn't handle all that dread, or he was secretly a huge beta boy but it's certain he has all the women pining for him, especially now that he's a divorcee

8 upvoteswoodie_wood2 years ago

The casting couch is real, and they call it “gay for pay”. Speaking of Channing and red pills while we’re at it have you guys seen the movie “This is the end”? They openly talk about how male actors in Hollywood are basically gay for pay prostitutes.

-3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Yeah channing tatum has absolutely had gay sex. Any famous hollywood actor, has had gay sex. Ill put money on it

0 upvotesDmva1002 years ago

Channing Tatum is also gay because he did that mountain Dew commercial many-o-years ago where he snatchethed ze bottle of greenish cum from the cretin at the gas station while he twirled through the air in his Burt Reynolds carnival machine and swallowed the Dew like he accepted the loads of the bulls that caused his oneitis to divorce him years later

65 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

Exactly - its the roller coaster of emotions they crave.

It's not a roller coaster if its the same thing all the time and they know what they are getting. If its a constant stream of attention, she will get bored because that's not exciting - she knows whats coming. It's like if a roller coaster had a never ending drop - it would be fun at first but eventually it would get boring and eventually you would want off the ride. This is why women actually love conflict and why as a man you should not avoid it. Too many weak timid men are terrfiied of conflict but women love that shit. I know 12 years ago in high school I had a girl call me to cuss me out. I was not TRP at the time but I cussed her out back and guess what she wanted me more and I was too dumb to realize that, instead I thought things were over since she called to cuss me out and I missed all the signs indicating her heightened interest.

Women will see that you have a life

Which is why less is always more. This is why I preach to stay off social media or drastically limit your usage and postings to it. The more a woman knows about you, generally the less attracted she will be. It's better for her to fill in those gaps in her mind(which will be positive if you are high value enough) rather than with reality. Like attention, personal info should be rationed as well.

You think Ryan Gosling or Channing Tatum would spend their time chasing ONE girl? They most likely have a harem and that's why their SMV are through the roof because of the Pre-selection they get through the admiration of the women.

It's a cycle. They are helped by their looks and status which in turn gets them attention and high SMV due to pre-selection. I get told every day by strangers and especially people I bartend to that I look like Gosling, but I won't be able to pull in the women he does because I don't have the status. However my looks are enough to get my foot in the door with higher value women, which leads to pre-selection, which leads to options, which leads to abundance.

Butterface saw you and Dave had a purpose -> focus on work and not on women (in a woman's mind, that means I value myself and foremost and they find that raw masculine power to be sexy)

Underrated point. Women can sense men who are driven and focused by women. They can sense men who are lifting for women, who are at the gym because of women, who are virtue signalling in an attempt to attract women, join a dance class for the purpose of attracting women, etc. This isn't saying that its a bad thing to go to a bar or club for women, but it should be covert and subtle. Go to the bar or club to have a good time, and if you find a woman along the way, so be it. If not, at least you had a good time.

1 upvotes7a7p2 years ago

I’ve noticed that a man looks for a woman but a woman looks for a good situation to fit herself into. If you present yourself as a desirable situation, they will absolutely want you to put them in it.

3 upvotesgamingradeon2 years ago

Can you please elaborate on that, good sir?

13 upvoteshawkeaglejesus2 years ago

I don't recall if this is off Black Phillip or Roosh, but basically women look at men like casting directors. She needs you to a fill a particular role.

A woman doesn't see you as gamingradeon, she sees you as "that fun motorcycle guy" or "the bartender" or "the drug guy" or "the ripped guy that's been in jail", "the guy that's in a band", etc.

And so women flip through their phones like a catalog and choose what kind of experience they want at that point in time. If a week/month/year down the road she wants a new experience she'll cast a new guy for the role that she wants.

3 upvotesdontlisten652 years ago

She's looking for music to dance to.

2 upvotesslip_like_space2 years ago

I've seen this in action. I drive a shuttle around the airport (part-time) and we have to stop at every terminal. So whenever I step out of my shuttle, most girls come up to me asking for dumb stuff ie "Is this where the hotels pick us up?" "What's a good place to eat around here." These are 50-50 clues whether they want to hang out. But the fact that they approach me, I go for the number and meet up with them after my shift.

13 upvotesanon_nonapplicable2 years ago

I had a girl cuss me out....she wanted me more and I was too dumb to realise that

Don't worry, you live and learn. Women are complicated, yet so simple, creatures. The attention I get from women when I walk past them, all HB9s, as I listen to my music and minding my own business ends up with them striking up a conversation with me because I go to college with a majority of beta Asians and they're tired of the attention from orbiters. The look I get from them when I tell them I'm not interested is pleasing but it's too bad I'm more interested in getting my degree. Women want what they can't get. In your sense, I think that girl thought, 'omg I thought he would've apologised after I cussed him, but he cussed me. He must hate me. I'll make him want me'. You cussing back showed you weren't interested because that would count as a nuke

17 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

It's one of those many things you look back on after swallowing the pill and it all starts to click.

She was an HB9 who I was hanging out with and talking to all summer but never escalated but the signs were there. She got fed up with my lack of action and hooked up with another guy. I made my AIM away message say something about how lame this guy and how dumb she was to pick him over me and she called to cuss me out. Since I was about to go to college anyway and thought it was over I cussed her out back. This continued for a few weeks, if she wasn't interested she wouldn't have kept the war going. I was too dumb to see it and wallowed about my summer crush being "over".

Can't believe its been nearly 12 years. She was an HB9 and was eventually a Dallas Mavericks dancer but is fat and post wall now with a beta schlub boyfriend.

7 upvotesanon_nonapplicable2 years ago

....but is fat....with a beta schlub boyfriend

She's most likely fat as a result of trying to despise her beta boy, or because she sees he doesn't care so she doesn't show self respect so she doesn't stay in shape

For now, you dodged a bullet (presently) but had she been yours and you displayed alpha traits consistently, she would've kept herself in shape and even been a good housewife (anything productive other than dancer) in order to impress you. Anyways, your SMV will increase as you keep in shape and focus on yourself so attracting 18-25 year olds won't be a problem for you. Too bad things such as Disney/Fairytale love doesn't exist or life would be much easier

1 upvotes1d2f3g2 years ago

Hey could you elaborate on that? Women get fat because they despise their BF?

4 upvotesanon_nonapplicable2 years ago

It's a form of power play. They see that the boyfriend/husband is 100% committed no matter what so they try to see how unattractive they can get before the boyfriend says anything. The women usually join this up with 'you'll never get better than me' and act controlling in terms of who talks to you and tries to stop women approaching you. Women who are post wall will usually do this in order to make the boyfriend completely betafied and unattractive to other women since she knows she's getting fat and it's possible he might leave, hence all the nagging. They do this until the guy is such a beta that she knows she's destroyed him, leaves him and then goes on a diet and loses weight in order to do it to someone else (it's an extreme example but women will do this)

However, women who date alpha or attractive men will always keep in shape so that they can stay attractive to that man

2 upvotesSigmundRoidd2 years ago

That last paragraph is such a GOOD point.

Women can smell the posers and pussies. You literally have to make it (and when you will, you'll KNOW!) To be able to be at peace.

Everything woman related gets it's volume turned down in men with a purpose, with a mission.

And guess what women are attracted to the most? That very trait.

0 upvotesnotonlyplace2 years ago

Everything woman related gets it's volume turned down in men with a purpose, with a mission.

No, this is nice guy, women are attracted to masculinity, I wouldn't consider a heroin addict a purpose, I wouldn't consider a guy with 22 baby mana's a purpose.

I would consider the tech guy who build his career , makes money, stays fit, with a purpose, but women will pass him up for a alpha if he is beta.

Women can smell the posers and pussies.

Women can't even smell their own shit, PUA works not because it's cleaver, it works because you can say stupid shit, just gotta sound cool.

This entire notation that I must build myself before I get women is laughable

12 upvotesSigmundRoidd2 years ago

If the goal of red pill was just getting women; then most you guys swallowed and shit out the pill without even knowing it.

The goal was always a better life, and woman are a PART of that. Not the whole sum of it.

Nobody is saying to be a spineless driven human being.

Most guys don't have their shit together, and that's a PART of the reason why they are so unsuccessful with women. Unfit, lazy, dead end job, waste their time with video games...all of this piles on top of each other.

Take it for what it's worth

2 upvotesnotonlyplace2 years ago

If the goal of red pill was just getting women;

The goal of red pill is to know the true, with the correct perception I always win, I don't need to be told to improve my self or get a better life, normal human selfish behavior leads to that.

Most guys don't have their shit together, and that's a PART of the reason why they are so unsuccessful with women.

There was a recent story about a heroin addict, who found a girl that saved his life, he was high in the back of a cab, strung out, and this mother fucker game her. This girl took care of him, (Definitely rode that dick in return), let's just say hey cute guy.

Honestly the question has never been "I fat, and i can't get women" even in blue pill we know this,

the question has been, "I'm successful, have my shit together, work out, but I can't get laid, why is the guy who sucks, no job, treats her like shit getting laid"

The only reason women ever went with a guy with a job, is because they couldn't work in the 1950's, now that they are working they can pick up who they like, and these guys tend to be masculine and make them feel good, a guy without a job that is homeless on the street can pick up women, I seen it done

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

can i get the homeless pickup story?

1 upvotesvitamann2 years ago

They can sense men who are lifting for women, who are at the gym because of women, who are virtue signalling in an attempt to attract women, join a dance class for the purpose of attracting women, etc.

That is why inner game and going monk works. You do stuff for yourself, eventually women will follow.

2 upvotesflam3srock2 years ago

Minor caveat: you have to actually have a life and be busy and valuable. If it's a calculated move, she'll know. That's the problem with PUAs. All hot air, action as a means to end rather than living on principle.

1 upvotesTacticalogistics2 years ago

Ryan Gosling has been married for 7 years and Tatum was married for 9 years and just got divorced

1 upvotesTheReformist942 years ago

Women have too many options for this to work. she has five chads trying to dick her so that day u ain't texted another four are

0 upvotes9toro2 years ago

This shit just happened to me, i was so focused on my work while at work, my coworker ran up on me, pulled her into my orbit. I couldn't put my finger on why but i was being.

33 upvotesFlamingAmmosexual2 years ago

Reminds me of something Patrice O'Neal said on Black Phillip.

Some guy calls in and talks about how he has been out with a girl several times and nothing has happened. Patrice said he needs to tell the girl to ante up because she was fucking the guy out of his time and money. Men want to get laid but women want a guy's attention. If she's getting laid over several dates then why can't you?

30 upvotesDick_donger2 years ago

I miss Patrice. he could shit on a women for 15 minuets and make them like him in the end

2 upvotesPapiless1 year ago

Yeah Patrice had the best game

5 upvotesjihocech2 years ago

Great post. It reminds me an article i read few month ago - an interview with a psychologist who works for a brothel. He told there, that part of the money men pay to prostitutes is for the possibility to choose the girl they want. And that it is sometimes hard for the whores when the customers are not interested in them - not for the money, but attention.

4 upvotesgeo_gan2 years ago

yep, similar thing happened to me years ago in lapdancing club... some not-very-attractive lap-dancer was being all friendly and fake nice and asked if I wanted a dance, when I looked her up and down and then said no in a not-very-nice way, she immediately turned into banshee and roared "well fuck off then" waving her arm as she left... I obviously bruised her ego... she knew she wasn't good enough for me.

3 upvotesdongpal2 years ago

thats why women dont ask men out

87 upvotesPorud2 years ago

A big ass wall of text for a woman you don't care about.

16 upvotesTheRedPike2 years ago

No fucking slap fights, people. As for you: and? We can still care about our history and try to learn from it.

11 upvotesitiswr1tten2 years ago

There's only so much that can be defended. This is genuinely not a very well written or formatted post. The message is lost in the rambling. Overall there is a decent post but I do not think of this as up to snuff. My $0.02

-1 upvotesTheRedPike2 years ago

Then report it and let us handle it. I didn't see a single report on the top post. Sometimes I have time to read them, but most of my time around here lately is dealing with spergs, trolls and slap fights instead.

11 upvotesitiswr1tten2 years ago

I don't think this is a "delete" offense. I think it is unsuitably unrefined FR. I do not make the rules but your mod tag here is distracting in my opinion

-9 upvotesTheRedPike2 years ago

your mod tag here is distracting

I know, right? It's almost like I did that on purpose.

I'm feeling the urge to go on a rampage.

3 upvotesitiswr1tten2 years ago

You have the fasces, use 'em how you will. At the end of the day controversy is good for this place and without moderation TRP would be another reddit cesspit.

0 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

MGTOW loser with no TRP post history.

Someone must have set off the bat signal to loser subs like MGTOW, purplepill, bluepill and nofap.

2 upvotessef2392 years ago

Don't take this the wrong way... but you're basically just talking shit about a girl you said you wouldn't interact with at work yet here you are - not at work - typing a bunch of shit up about her. I get that the message here is girls crave attention and not giving it to them makes them needy, which is generally true, but there's something very not red pill about the way you wrote this... sounds like she's more in your head than you are in hers.

3 upvotesClipClamp2 years ago

I think you may have allowed yourself to become too emotionally attached to the situation which is fine. It's just important to recognise when something has affected you emotionally. Try to distance yourself from the event and practice some introspection.

4 upvotesbouncypoo2 years ago

lol last paragraph with TLDR was all you needed to say

12 upvotesitiswr1tten2 years ago

OP please spend more time editing your posts. Stream of consciousness writing deceives people into thinking the votes matter. The message is good but unrefined. Bauxite makes shitty beer cans. Put it in the fire a little while and see if you can't post aluminum.

54 upvotesEn-Zu2 years ago

I knew just from the title this would be an extremely long aspergery rant and I was not disappointed.

Try like shrinking down the personal story part...like a lot.

21 upvotesEpicLevelCheater2 years ago

I knew just from the title this would be an extremely long aspergery rant and I was not disappointed.

If you weren't disappointed, then don't complain.

15 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

I checked your submission history and see zero sumbissions here at TRP. Before calling posters an aspie for their submission how about posting some quality shit here yourself and showing us the way. In fact I don't even see any posts to TRP period - apart from one post to TRPWomen, so I am guessing you are a purple piller or blue piller just looking to stir the pot.

Either way your comment provides nothing of value.

21 upvotesEn-Zu2 years ago

I post a lot on unrelated forums. Maybe you didn't look hard enough through my post history.

I'm not exactly sure what I'd say in addition to the sidebar tho. TRP at its core is a pretty simple message. Women desire to be with successful, self-fulfilled, high status men. Be those things, seek them for their own sake, and women will follow in abundance.

Every other type of post on here recently is either a field report (women going after alpha stories, beta transformations, etc.), a political rant talking about the consequences of sexuality on society, or some kind of cosmo "tip" post about a quick tip to "build insta-SMV!"

I just don't really care about making most of those kinds of posts but I'm interested to see how this movement grows politically and as a community. But maybe I'll do a write up on evolutionary biology and sexual strategy or something.

0 upvotes9toro2 years ago

you are a true man women want to be with you period, all that extra shit is a perk.

15 upvotesSetyram2 years ago

Calm down, no need to get all defensive.

You posted this on the internet where everyone can comment, whether it's a post of value or not (And it gave you advice for your next post, don't take things too negative).

Don't get so worked up about some comment on the internet.

-19 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

Another concern trolling comment by an account with no post history here. Whose alt are you?

Oh wait I see you posted in nofap. Makes a lot of sense now.

8 upvotesSetyram2 years ago

You took my comment more nicely than the other dude's, that's good. There's never need to get so worked up about a simple comment.

-2 upvotesTheRedPike2 years ago

Just report and move on.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

You call out people for not posting in TRP by hiding behind your wall of text. They called you out because your format was shitty. Get over it.

5 upvoteskareemgoat69giggity2 years ago

Lol someones a little salty

-9 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

Nah, just find it suspicious that this thread has been bombarded with negative comments coming from users with zero post history here at TRP. Almost like a brigade signal was sent out.

I don't mind negative comments, but when all of them are coming from outside the community I must be saying something right

2 upvotesStron2g2 years ago

Its not that long. Only took me like 3 minutes to read it.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

The TLDR exists for that sole purpose. If you don't want to read the personal story part, skip right down to the TLDR and stop wasting your time and others' with your pointless comments.

1 upvotesHugh_Munghous2 years ago

That’s why you get to read it for free.

0 upvotesRedpillandrew2 years ago

OP post was useful, so IDGAF about rants, oneitis, shittalking or whatever you call him out on

10 upvotesunholymanserpent2 years ago

I find this works even better with more attractive chicks. They think they're hot shit so ignoring them works really well. They need the validation. Play that confident/mysterious angle. Been doing it for years

1 upvotessimplisticallysimple2 years ago

Why the hell are you downvoted? For saying the truth? This sub is becoming cancer. Bet majority are virgins or have n-count below 10.

3 upvotesSMRII2 years ago

Dave is exremly stoic...then screams like a maniac across the bar over an ice cube o_O

1 upvotesJohnIan1012 years ago


He could be stoic, but even they have a breaking point.

A bad day, get worse and worse - till it reaches ice cube, a blow up happens.

3 upvotesCommanderCumlord2 years ago

Good post OP. One thing I would note in regards to your point about working with women, and something I picked up on heavily from Corey Wayne’s book:

Treat all women the same

You’re being authentic, you’re not putting them on a pedestal, and they notice it. It helps you too because you’re honest about your intentions always and never hiding what you are. It doesn’t mean spank your coworker on the ass because she’s been a bad girl, (you only behave like that in the bedroom) it means treat her as if she’s just another girl you have to work with.

3 upvotesRich77u2 years ago

TL:DR hot women act entitled and like they deserve it, until they aren't hot anymore but can't change their mindset. Afterwards they either survive off betas or became a salt mine like this coworker is.

6 upvoteskarmayogi2342 years ago

Sounds like this woman is just a fucking narcissist normal people don't go around telling everyone that they got someone's number or that they asked them out

2 upvotesnotonlyplace2 years ago

Sounds like this woman is just a fucking women

Fixed it for you

normal people don't go around telling everyone that they got someone's number or that they asked them out

No one is normal, except boring people, why do we try and not develop personalities and stereotypes on women when we know for a fact that women share common traits

3 upvotesDidUBringTheStuff2 years ago

Women will go crazy without oxygen? I think they'l just straight up die.

2 upvotesSureshot10132 years ago

I find that length of narrative describing a female behavior we are all aware occurs on a regular basis a little off putting...... sounds like at the least you lost frame and looked beta

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Okay now I have a question for you. Hypothetically if butterface was a 8/10 and did not work with you would withdrawing attention lead to you getting laid ?

-1 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

If she is into you, withdrawing attention will draw her toward you and pique her interest, far more than if you were freely giving attention. She will begin to work toward regaining your attention. From there its up to you to regulate the flow of attention toward her and then close the deal.

Withdrawing attention doesn't get you laid, it just sets the table.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

“Attention is a byproduct of commitment...”

Fantastic line in a good post - throttling attention is difficult to fake and that it is a natural side effect of having acquired a true abundance mindset.

A man operating in scarcity lavishes women with attention (usually undergirded by a covert contract latticework) which cheapens its value and rightly sets off women’s neediness alarms.

This is a key principle to understand to achieving aloofness and amused mastery.

It’s important to note, however, that the source of the attention matters. If its source is desperation, it’s repulsive; if its source is self-amusement, it’s charismatic, charming and attractive.

Giving attention because it amuses you not because you are attempting to negotiate desire conveys high value.

There’s levels to this. Thanks for the write-up.

2 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

It’s important to note, however, that the source of the attention matters. If its source is desperation, it’s repulsive; if its source is self-amusement, it’s charismatic, charming and attractive.

This is what Dave, the bartender I mentioned in my post, is so good at. Again not sure if he is TRP aware or not but at the least he is a natural when it comes to shit like this. He is a master at IDGAF - to the point where he will cuss out customers and tell them to get out and the management won't even care.

1 upvotesThrowaway841152 years ago

Wow Owen Wilson voice water is wet, who woulda thunk?

2 upvotesEmmenthalreddit2 years ago

"Women already think you are into them"

So very untrue. Maybe at the bar scene... try being yourself. Ignoring a woman will not turn her on, and being overly needy will not either.

1 upvotesmikeymop2 years ago

He never did say ignore. When I was there I read "reward behavior you like with attention"

Which is basically what we naturally do.

1 upvotesEmmenthalreddit2 years ago

"Its easy to pick up the phone and text her. Don't. See how far you can make it without communicating?" Im just saying purposefully sending only 1 text a day can also drive quality women away. Im suggesting a healthy balance.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Yeah withholding communication is always a tricky balance. Women are smart enough to know when you are doing it on purpose which is just as pathetic as too much. Text her as much as you would a girl you dont really like but maybe is on your radar when you drink so you are in contact. which means some polite communication but don’t talk about how great she is, ask too many questions, or request a date out of nowhere. She will inevitably dangle a carrot if you ever had a shot in the first place and mention there is a movie she wants to see or something she wants to do etc. if she’s not that bold then who cares she’s probably terrible in bed and self consious and needy or already had five dicks lined up anyway. I mean you don’t have to worry about any of this if you can just take the hot girl off the pedestal but that is hard even for me who is aware of it but I am working on it.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Butterface reminds me of this:

"Hey, you there?"

"Omg stop texting me I have a boyfriend."

"That's great, now which slides of the PowerPoint am I doing?"

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Why don’t you write her a fucking book and cuck yourself out of the royalties while you’re at it?

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I enjoyed the read and I liked how you did the whole Side bar and put quotes/trp side bar shit. I feel like that would motivate some new people of this sub, to actually check out the sidebar, there is so much to learn from there.

I enjoyed the read and she sounds like a bitch.

0 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

To clarify, I didn't mention Sidebar meaning my post is referring to something posted on the sidebar, but more like sidebar in terms of a courtroom trial.

1 upvoteswhite_girl_lover2 years ago

Just read the tldr guys, great point made here

1 upvotespurplecabbage2 years ago

When you find a woman who you are attracted to, its natural to want to always be trying to talk to her and be around her. It's easy to pick up the phone and text her. Don't. See how far you can make it without communicating with her.

Great formula for not getting any. I'm too good at this; then never call back.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Amazing post. Good reminder of why you don’t shit where you eat! Hell, you didn’t even do anything and bitch was still talking shit !!

1 upvotesWhackingPsychopomp2 years ago

Can confirm IRL. Don't over communicate. Familiarity breeds contempt at this stage.

1 upvotesAs32b2 years ago

This is true, and I have also used the same metaphor before. I have literally witnessed a woman burst out in full rage and scream: "GIVE ME ATTENTION!!!" when me and my two friends were discussing something and we told her to be quiet when she tried to interrupt.

She was literally experiencing shortness of breath, her face turned completely red and she was shaking. It was extremely entertaining to watch her situation get worse, it looked exactly like she was being strangled.

1 upvotesRedwallAllratuRatbar2 years ago

Inb4 other guys start ignoring women and then find they didn't even notice

1 upvotesamekooky2 years ago

yep.. now that i am getting ripped this girl at work is constantly trying to talk to me and get us to go to lunch. I used to orbit her a year ago when I was a fatty. dont feed their ego.

1 upvotesGreendende2 years ago

Give em the silent treatment. No need to do all that extra shit unless it’s absolutely required. A hello and morning is all needed.

1 upvotesSwimHasAProblem2 years ago

I don't like this post, every girl is different, this is stupid to not give attention to get attention, I mean if you don't like the girl you don't give, that would everyone do, If you like the girl, you give. Why waste my time to read something everyone already does naturally...

1 upvotestrashtalker1232 years ago

How about you have a true mindset or Life that your mind has no place or little place for women

-1 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

There is a sub for that, its called MGTOW.

I fail to see how such a mindset is compatible with the mission of this sub which is sexual strategy.

7 upvoteskareemgoat69giggity2 years ago

If u dont care about this girl stop writing posts about her on reddit a write a field report of you fucking one of the customers or something

Inb4 op checks my post history lmao

1 upvotesmala_madre2 years ago

Great post, appreciate it man.

1 upvotesEmSeeElRoy2 years ago

Hold the phone...did I ever work with you? Because I have stories eerily similar to this.

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Oh the crazy place bitches get into when they can't have the alphas, and won't settle for the betas. Good post OP

-1 upvotessir_Twinkletoes2 years ago

This post sounds like something a beta would write. Most chads would fuck butterface too.

1 upvotesAlQWEffos2392 years ago

If he fucked then she would have the game it’s psychological warfare at its finest.

2 upvotessir_Twinkletoes2 years ago

Yeah maybe, but she would lose if he didnt give a shit.

1 upvotesmallardcove [OP]2 years ago

At work?

2 upvotessir_Twinkletoes2 years ago

Meh probably not. its just how it goes, ones chads 6 is another chads 10.

0 upvotesSumo942 years ago

Do you greet your coworkers? Does it count as giving your attention too easily?

0 upvotesAlQWEffos2392 years ago

Thanks for your contribution man, us noobs can definitely learn from a veteran.

-1 upvotessimplisticallysimple2 years ago

Hey, fuck the betas giving you shit in the comments... You're absolutely right, and the reason they're salty is because they're still of the belief that more attention = pussy.

Any man with a reasonable n-count long understood that attention is to be rationed seriously.

-1 upvotesdumbkidaccount2 years ago

Do not do cold approaches. That just inflates their ego

Let them starve , then they will beg males for sex

4 upvotesgeo_gan2 years ago

They will never starve though... that's the problem... to many beta chumps throw themselves at their feet to ever starve

-1 upvotesdumbkidaccount2 years ago

Ok but still

Dont their ego even more. Only take a shot you can land

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