I have referenced this example while answering a few posts on asktrp over the last couple of months, and I figured I should write a more detailed post to outline the experience I had.
The Setting
About two years ago I got accepted in an entrepreneurship program which lasted about one week. 50 of the best aspiring students in my country were there, placed in a nice four-star hotel in the mountains.
I'm at the beginning of my transformation process, not having found the pill yet, but starting to figure out that chicks like confident assholes. So I packed up my wit and gains and said fuck it, whatever happens, happens.
While at the first reception where everyone was trying to make connections, I chose a group of five and open them. The conversation went brilliantly, everyone was listening and laughing at my subtle jokes, but a certain girl in the group was quieter, and just looking at me with a slight smile. My antennas went up.
She had long, curly hair, was way shorter than me, had a stupidly beautiful face, and you could barely see her curves behind her clothing. I continue my conversation and the courses begin.
The Point of No Return
At the second reception, around 8PM, we do some team-building game in which we had to use some basic tools to build a device that could hold an egg intact while being dropped from 3 feet. She's on the team against me, and I catch her take a several glimpses at me while I was telling my team what we should do. I stare back once and smile, she immediately plays with her hair and looks down (a very submissive move that I like seeing, plus a big IOI). Nevertheless, my team wins, and after we congratulate each other, everyone gets back to chatting, and I see her in the middle of the room, checking her phone alone for a second. Later I found out she was messaging her boyfriend. I go in:
Me: "It would be a pleasure to talk to you away from this noise, let's go outside" Her: "Sure, I'd love to" with a big smile.
We talked for about an hour and a half, in which I escalated slowly and slightly teased her. Went in for the first kiss, she turned her cheek. I grinned and said "You know, life taught me that when girls reject my kiss, it really only means <<not now, a bit later>>". Pants got flooded, her eyes widened, and after five minutes she was all over me, with some people staring at us from the reception window.
My Shock Point
One evening, I was over in her room while her roommates were away, and was building comfort for the following f close. She was on top of me and I could feel her round ass on my dick (she played different sports and that ass was madly toned), when her boyfriend messages. She sighs in an annoyed manner, and takes a pic for him WHILE ON TOP OF ME. Checks if any of my body parts can be seen, then mutters while typing "I'm fine...babe...love you...sooo much...smiley face, done". Something clicked in my mind at that time, but I would understand it later in my TRP awakening. I play it cool and say "who's bothering us". She briefly tells me about her boyfriend of three years, which is a national gold medalist swimmer and blah blah blah. Basically older, more muscular than me, but still I outdid the fucker. We go on to kiss some more, she sings me a song (she's been a singer for all her life and her voice is angelic) and I call it a night and go have fun with my newfound male friends.
What Followed
Over the course of the remaining four days I had at that project, I gamed her constantly, we were making out, but the reason a sex-close was hard was because every night, we had "guardian angels", which basically were 50+ year old nagging women that were checking our rooms to see if boys slept with boys and vice versa (not kidding, we were all 18+ year olds but they were strict about their rules). Last night, I tell my roommate that I want to bang the chick in our room, he tells me he wants to bang another chick in her room, and so we're set without any further debate. She comes in at about 9:30 PM, I put on some music and immediately escalate. During foreplay she would get so turned on she couldn't help but let out some light screams. I undress her and find out she has a petite body with a marvelous ass. I know I have another 45 minutes, so I give her the rough fucking she deserved. After that, I send her off to her room on the balcony (our rooms were on the same floor and on the same side, connected through balconies). She sent me a text saying it was the best night of her life.
The LMR/Shit-Test I Passed Unknowingly
Back to the sex part, during foreplay she was feeling my arms and my chest and said “do you work out?”, to which I replied “yea, I bet it feels good”. She said “do you know how good a swimmer’s body feels naked?”. I grinned and said “do you know how good MY BODY feels naked?”. To this day, I consider this the best situation I’ve ever played. And shit, the dude was 6 feet tall with a toned body and I’m almost 5’10”, muscular but with a bit of belly and love handles.
What did I have and her boyfriend didn’t? Well I’m a self-sufficient, self-loving motherfucker and I could give a fuck how the other dude looked. I loved seeing myself in the mirror, even with my bit of belly. Confidence, guys. Self-confidence is key.
Take-Aways
1)Be careful with LTR's. It is a very big chance that she'll cheat on you if you're not on your A-game constantly and you don't know how to fuck with her head. I don't advise you use manipulation, mind games and power plays on chicks you LTR, but I do it and it seems to be effective.
2) Always be fun and witty. Also, have a few tricks up your sleeve to pull girls.
3) The best thing you can have is FRAME. I controlled every move we made, when we met during breaks, what we did, and how we went about fucking.
4) Never trust bitches. NEVER. Not even trust but verify could be applied to what she did to her boyfriend. The message was right, the pic was ok, what else could you think about apart from yea, my girl's in her room, chillin and not being gamed by another dick.
Conclusion: Take care and watch out for those whores. She's now in med school, really bright and smart girl. Still was a cheating, lying whore, hamstering everything on the fact that their relationship wasn't working out at that moment.
Edit: Shit-Test I Passed Unknowingly part added. Forgot about it, but guys in the comments mentioned the swimmer boyfriend and I realized I left out the best bit.
If the king is not around and the queen is horny, she will fuck the court jester.
For all the newbies: AWALT. AWALT. AWALT.
Exactly. The only thing he had going for him was that he was there and able to entertain her. Had he been boring-nothing. Had bf been there, nothing. But Bf wasn't exciting her from back home, OP was and she was fairly certain she wouldn't get caught. When it come to feelings, the feelings she can have now trump the feelings she'll be having later.
Hypergamy is only concerned about who's the top man in the environment right now.
If OP had met the girl at a swimming competition where BF was competing, she would have not even noticed OP.
If OP had met the girl at that entrepreneurship convention where OP was on his A game, but with the BF there out of his natural environment, she would have gotten the same tingles for OP but probably not acted on it since BF was there to mate guard.
If OP had met the girl at that convention, but there was a more alpha guy than him there, she would have not noticed OP.
etc.
"Hypergamy is only concerned about who's the top man in the environment right now."
So true. The last girl I dated, every time we went out if there was a higher value male she would try to get close to him. My frame maintenance sucked at the time, but holy shit literally every fucking time. the hypergamy gene was particularly strong with that one.
Seriously, for the guys that don't believe this: do everything else this sub tells you. Lift, get big, focus on yourself and get successful. Become attractive in every way as much as you possibly can.
Then start talking to girls in relationships. Be fucking blatant about it, be blatant about how you're going to make them cheat on their partner.
All women will cheat. All of them.
And that isn't a knock on women. Any man who wants to will cheat as well, given the opportunity and circumstances.
People have always cheated and always will. Learn who people are and play the game within those parameters, otherwise you will always lose.
What's the benefit of gaming a taken woman?
The risk/reward is low.
She's unfaithful so clearly not worth anything more than just sex, and for sex, there are plenty women who aren't taken with lower barriers to entry. That's ignoring the threat of physical violence and/or morals that may or may make it questionable.
I actually agree that it's not worth the hassle dealing with a boyfriend/husband, and I personally do not want to be the guy who gets blamed by another guy when his woman whores around on him. I'm not so desperate to get my dick wet that I would get into that drama over it.
However, the game is what it is, and u/Idontlikeredditors6 makes a valid point about playing the game within its parameters. You don't have to actually be the instrument of anyone else's catastrophe, but the parameters still apply to you and your own relationships with women. Chad is out there even if you wish he wasn't, and even if you don't want to be Chad.
His sentiment is lift and then go for taken women. I would argue lift and then cut your teeth on single women.
Taken women want drama and or to branch swing, it’s unwise counsel to do otherwise.
That isn't my sentiment at all, and if that's what you got from it you need to work on context clues.
What I said is that if you don't believe that yes, all women cheat, then get good and hit on women in relationships and you will find out very quickly that yes, all women cheat.
I'm not advocating for or against trying to hit on single or not single women. You're arguing about something that nobody said.
What’s the risk
Drama, violence, and, in some states, being sued for alienation of affection.
and you have been with all the women in the world? prejudices and generalizing are very bad traits.
A lot of generalizations like this are made in this sub, a lot of exaggerations, but at the end of the day for good reason. Not all women cheat, there are some people out there who have morals that they will refuse to throw out. They do exist, but you probably won't find them. People who get cheated on often thought they found a faithful partner.
The point in awalt and "all" being used in this forum, in my opinion, is to stop people seeking out unicorns, and getting burned when they realize they didn't find one. When a girl says "I'm not like other girls," or implies it, or you are thinking it, you should be stepping back and rethinking what lead to that conclusion.
So, in the context of general polite conversation, these generalizations are seen as bad, but in the context of this sub, they are necessary (due to the audience) to get the point across.
And that's why I made myself the Jester King.
Can’t blame her either; chicks dig funny guys
To this point, it’s better to be the court jester.
or a king that never leaves?
You got to me a mug to not cheat on your LTR. If you accept that she's not yours just your turn,thats you following the TRP cuck mantra and playing to her frame (serial monogamy).
Cheat or get cheated on. Amorality works both ways fuckers.
It's better to be the guy who was banging the young hottie at the gym behind your woman's back, then to be the guy who's women was banging the young stud at the gym while he was at home jerking off.
and that my friends is the whole point of this sub
Right out of college I went to a 3 week sales school for my first job. There were 44 people of various ages from all over the country, 30 guys and 14 women. Many were right out of college and many were mid 30’s career changers. As it is a sales job most were at least above average looking and some were quite stunning. Several Chad’s in the group. I was strait out of college after a D1 athletic career so I had the Chad look but the simp attitude thanks to growing up with a single mom and 3 sisters. We were staying in a Westin in NJ with a large bar area and little else to do so every night was a drunken shit show. By the end of the first week 12 of the 14 women had slept with at least one guy. 5 were married and 4 had “serious boyfriends”. The girls that slept with multiple usually got banged by a chad early, dissed so they found a more beta guy to reassure them until Chad circled back near the end of the program. Since it was a drunk fest every night and you were already in a hotel the white knights were getting laid as well. I fell into that category at the time.
There was a guy is his late 50’s who ran the program and was staying at the hotel with us. We were talking over dinner and I said we had a bunch of sluts in our group. He stopped me and said he has been doing this 9 years and there are a bunch of sluts in every group. The combination of a pack of alpha males, time, boredom, alcohol and a hotel turned 90% of them into sluts. He said every group had 1-2 girls that didn’t sleep with someone, usually engaged or newly married.
Long story short, they will cheat if they are really attracted to the guy.
Yeah sounds about right. They really do go on how they feel 'in the moment'.
I was AWALT'd by my LTR the other day. When we got together she told me I was the first person to sleep with her since her ex, of 4 months prior. She slipped up the other day by alluding to a one night stand. I called her on it (in a teasing way) and apparently "You are the first person I slept with since my ex. The one night stand I had when I was drunk didn't count. There was no emotional connection."
I don't give a shit either way, but the mental gymnastics are equal measures amusing and terrifying to observe. Feelz > Realz... AWALT.
The best part of this is the non-stop retconning and history rewriting. Every moment comes with its emotional state and requirements of the ego (in terms of perceiving itself as "not unworthy" and "moral") — which generate a "reality" befitting them.
Since the requirements vary instant by instant, so does the "reality" — that is what they remember, what they believe motivated their past actions and present desires, and so forth.
Basic example:
you pull off a streak of good witticisms and she starts wetting: she will see her husband as "boring, careless, unworthy, a bully"; your game weakens, you feel depressed at the moment and fail at either entertaining and teasing her, so she is at her driest: she sees her husband as "a great nice guy" whom she'd never do anything capable of causing hurt.
[this means that when she has gotten sexually bored with her current LTR, her mind needs to produce fake memories of fake mistreatment and other assorted wrongs done by the man, for her upcoming leave must be seen by the ego as an "I had no choice" defensive act, instead of what it is: hedonistic and solipsistic.
"I had no choice" and "I can't" is how every sentence about anything they have done/are doing begins, as well as concludes.]
Exactly. My previous LTR ended in 2016 due to my ex cheating (she didn't physically do anything, but she was lining it up with a guy we both worked with). That break up, and the re-writing of our history that proceeded it, were what brought me to the Red Pill. I was absolutely incredulous how she 'remembered' everything so differently to what actually happened. So much so that I was labelled as 'emotionally abusive', a 'gaslighter', 'controlling' etc... She worked the 'I had no choice' rhetoric like a pro!
My current LTR is far better in general, but I am under no illusion that her 'commitments' and 'loyalty' are anything other than her expression of connection in that moment, and in the long term they don't mean shit.
Nice post. Only thing I would add is that with a girl like you mentioned (low class, no morals), there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent their inevitable hamstering. Her base instincts will always trump her conscience and humanity.
Sidenote: Swimmers are some of the most shredded athletes. If shes not happy with that, then not even the good lord himself would be able to satisfy this girl.
Somewhat related to your side note, I was a swimmer from age 8 all the way through high school. My senior year team got state runner up, so I was around a lot of very high level swimmers and they are some of the strangest fuckers I’ve ever met. Something about staring at the bottom of a pool in pain for hours a day with little to no social interaction or sound besides water rushing in and out of your ears seems to do a number on them. If her boyfriend is a national gold medalist, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was total goon. So yes, OP is right, the timing was right, and I bet he easily outclassed her boyfriend socially.
I can confirm. I have also been a swimmer for some time and was very strange during that time. I think it's from being in pool water for too long.
I started swimming in high school and I felt like a man amongst boys when it came to demeanor and how to act around women. The ones that are in the pool from a young age tend to get fucked up socially for some reason.
Swam D1. We are scientifically proven to be the horniest athletes on the planet given our workout regimen. On top of that, social gatherings don’t happen as much as a normal college student, so when those come together, it’s a buffet.
Thanks for bringing up the swimmer part, I added the most important part. You should read that too.
And yea, swimmer bodies are fucking dope. I should honestly learn how to swim but I’m too into lifting and martial arts.
No, you should learn how to swim. Period. No man should not know how to swim.
yes it will save your life
They like grappler bodies too man. Don't sweat it
How did you deduce that she was of a low class, and had no moral?
Read the story. This girl straight up cucked her boyfriend while riding another dude, and even had the balls to say”I love you” while on top of him.
That is both trashy and amoral. So yeah, zero class or morals.
I see, I thought you were referring to class as in socioeconomic status.
Higher class girls cheat absolutely but I've found girls from wealthier families tend to have a higher degree of shame around cheating (especially if they come from solid families).
She didn't even entertain the facade of a mea culpa.
And what if I told you the girl is from a wealthy family with German roots, dad still in the picture, pulling 6 figures? She told me about that.
Seems solid to me.
Theres so much that can be read into this. Kudos on the easy lay.. but realise that she pretty much made this happen and likely had eyes for any decent dude at the convention.
This is a chick that was looking to fuck someone the minute she got away from her BF. She's entering that phase of her life where she's expecting to become 'better' than her current BF because she's going to college or entering some business to be a strong financially secure independent woman. The IOI's were just too strong from the get go.
She's also pretty young by the sounds of it. Landed an older alpha who snapped her up while she's young and inexperienced. Now she's heading out into the big world and subconsciously resents him for 'holding her back'. How is she going to prove to herself that she's better than him - by fucking another dude that she perceives to be on the same enlightened and upwards path that she is (you).
Conventions are hookup city. Stated this many time, but anyone who has been to a number of conventions will know how easy it is for these women to cheat on their HUSBANDS back at home. There are plenty of women that go on these convention trips and take off their wedding rings. Really all you need to do is be a guy there that interacts with them and you will get laid.
Any guy that has a wife or GF going on a number of conventions well I feel bad for you. Not saying they all cheat, but if your wife likes to or used to party and drink, then she's going to be doing that away from you and chances are she's going to have her fun because you will never know.
When you know this stuff there is no point in not cheating.i don't see why I should have to deal with this shit and miss out myself.why do we have to accept af:BB,when we want to have LTRs and cheat and have our cake and eat it to,we get downvoted on this sub? Men are meant to be faithful or spin plates and get cheated on? Where's the incentive for that?
God, everytime someone says "Independent Woman" I have a knee-jerk reaction of cringing. I just want to punch these fake men in the face.
Agree completely. Yet another prime example of "she's never yours, its just your turn"
"but still I outdid the fucker."
Yeah.. no. You frame the whole post as you being a bigger baddass that the swimmer and thats why you "won" her and i think its wrong. The chick was basically ok to cheat on the boyfriend and thats why she sent you ioi from the first 5 min of meeting you. She was already close to the edge and eager to jump and u just pushed her a little.
Not to say that your behaviour is not good. But dont underestimate the contextual mindset of the girls you are meeting. On a given night, week or months some will be ready and eager to fuck and some other not at all.
Op had a pulse and was what was available. You think she remembered your face or your name 3 days later?
Finally someone I share an opinion with. Kudos to you, sir !
Honestly she seemed so chill I’d bet they had an open relationship.
Can someone here remind me why I should get into a LTR again? /s
I think it is important to have that heartbreak rearing its ugly face regularly in life. Can't have the really juicy heartbreak without longer term love-investment. You can take the hits of betrayal, leave them and still love them the same, it's only women. Each time you have a real chance to inch a little closer toward more perfected love, detached from specific objects or people...
It's all about learning how to never put her on a pedestal, never let her become an idol. The exact opposite of what the blue pill world wants from a man.
Id add to this very fine thought that blue pill love isnt even love.
Its codependence repackaged as love to enslave a man
Dependancy is the bane of all human relationships. If you learn one thing today, it's that TRP is about slaying the dependence Dragon and freeing the self.
Lifting, Game, and all the rest of it aren't TRP.
These are methods to achieve the true goal
My one huge weakness isn't even staving off the oneitis, it's staving off the co-dependency. I was raised by a single mother blue as they came and even after really transforming how I act and think, if I am not on my game, I start slipping back. I'll start noticing that I stop wanting to do things by myself and start wanting to do them more in an LTR, and not even because SHE is special, but because doing things together is "special" to me. It really murders any attraction someone has for me until I basically just have to disappear and do my own thing for several weeks to fight my way out again.
Your newfound strength is this self knowledge. Your ego has come down and let the truth shine in.
Here us an excersize to try:
Just think about that fact and dont judge yourself for being in this situation nor make excuses. Just feel it. Don't block it, actually let this revelation and its implications wash over you.
The next steps on what to do will appear after a few times of this
I feel the exact same way. Doing things by myself is fun, but it's this feeling that doing them together with someone would be more fun.
Because if you're alpha enough she won't cheat on you. The Gold Medalist swimmer was a beta so no wonder she cheated on him.
If you're alpha enough why would you want to be in a relationship?
If you can have a stable relationship with a woman who takes care of your shit at home, it’ll make your entire life easier. Yeah, sometimes you can get a plate to cook for you or iron your clothes, but when you know that it’s gonna be done, it’s just a few less things to worry about which can be used on important shit like work, studies, or the gym
Pay someone to clean your house and iron your clothes, or just do it yourself. It's so much cheaper in the long run, and I guarantee you that Mr. Kim from the dry cleaners is not going to wake you up in the middle of the night crying about how you don't talk to him any more, or get mad at you and call the cops and say you pushed him into a wall, or bring your car back with an empty gas tank.
If you really want the feeling of an LTR, strap a piano to your back and carry it around with you all day, and every night watch the same episode of "Gilligan's Island" over and over again.
Some people want families instead of muh dikking until you're too old to muh dikk and die with no progeny.
What’s funny is that the best way to have a family is to focus on your mission and on yourself
Any men here in relatively solid LTR or married with kids have any advice on how they juggle it?
I exited a 4-year relationship recently and felt like I was Atlas holding the world on my shoulders.
I have a relatively high status now but the women I see now are more challenging than before taking the pill (better looking etc). I want to have a family one day so I appreciate any insights.
Now imagine that you couldn't just walk away.
If you live in the US, Canada, or western Europe, just put the idea of marriage out of your head. The days of traditional marriage are far behind us. The system is so heavily stacked against you as a man that the cons far outweigh the pros.
You can have kids without marriage. You can be monogamous. You can be with her "til death do you part". You can provide for her in your will or life insurance. But if one day she decides that she never really loved you, or she runs off with someone else, or turns lesbian, or gets addicted to opiates, or finds Jesus and starts spending all her time at church, or if she busts you banging the hot girl from work in the closet at a party, you don't have to let her walk away with half your shit and a big chunk of your future earnings.
Marriage in the West is nothing more than a legal institution in which the man put his nuts in a vise and the woman keeps her hand on the crank. Don't do it.
But studies have shown marrying a woman with 0-1 partners, divorce rate is <10%.
If one wants to have children, in many nations it’s a civil marriage by the law.
My lawyer suggested in my jurisdiction that a solid prenup and establishing a trust can mitigate financial exposure (he has similar net worth and it worked for him during his divorce).
I think marriage is broken as an institution but within the parameters of family is it not a necessary evil?
lol the delusion and hamster is strong in this comment
Not at all, I was being sarcastic. Duh
you should put a /s next time
because it's fun while it lasts.
Not usually. Usually, it's fun at first, then it's miserable for a long time until finally it ends.
You should not. What does she have to offer other than steady pussy, which will invariably start to taper off after some time. You don't need a girlfriend for steady pussy, and you can enjoy a pussy buffet if you're working it right. Sure, there will be nights when you just strike out, but you're going to have dry nights with a girlfriend -- or God forbid, a wife -- too.
Don't verbalize the steps of m-f interactions. Imply, misconstrue, reframe, ignore, plow trough - but don't verbalize.
Other than that - textbook pickup, great job.
Thank you for that, it really is my smoothest pick-up so far.
Regarding verbalizing m-f interactions, true, but you know that this actually works? I don’t know why, it entices them if you say subtle shit like that with confidence, like you’re reading into their dirty mind.
Sometimes verbalizing works to-it just has to be well placed, and you only get one in any interaction.
Basically, subtlety wins, and directness has to be use sparingly, at just the right time.
Women talk, men do.
Demonstrate, don't explicate.
Acta, non verba.
It's just your turn.
And don't you forget it!
No surprise the 'independent', high-achieving women you met there were primed to ride dick. Second lesson is don't expect a semblance of commitment out of such women. AWALT and none of them are yours, but you can give yourself a fighting chance.
Yeah women like that, no matter how hot or feminine they are, have too many masculine traits. They have to be aggressive.
Actually, if you read research about swingers and open relationships, women in that life are more likely to be in positions of management, etc.
I actually found TRP by googling a term like "can an alpha male and aloha female have a successful relationship?" My ex was the alpha female of her friend group, the best manager in her company, blah blah blah. Short answer is NO. If a woman starts to get into power struggles with you or wants to micromanage, always chime in-- especially little shit like how you drive, how you do dishes-- NEXT THAT BITCH. These are NOT shit tests. That is how that bitch is made. She'll always be like that. She'll always need a beta male to boss around, and she'll ALWAYS branch swing, or at least try to until her SMV is shot and she's swinging to lower branches.
There's a chick I know whose name I won't mention. She's young, incredibly hot, a big shot in the business world. You may know her name or if you Google her a ton of pages come up. She was interested in me, and I would have pursued it if I didn't realize she's always gonna be around another Chad and always gonna be competitive with men. I don't care if she's a 10. For me personally, sort of how being a simp knocks a good looking man's SMV down a couple pegs with a woman, an overly ambitious woman's SMV is knocked down a couple pegs with me. My ship doesn't have room for two captains.
This shit is depressing. I'm far to busy to constantly worry about staying in a frame I don't hold naturally. Guess I'm fucked. Girl is probably already cheating. At least she is cooking and cleaning for me.
Nah bro, don’t think about it like that. I’m in an LTR too and I’m not thinking she’s cheating.
If you build yourself a titanium frame, a nice body, a nice wealth, and a lot of intelligence, topped with strong dominance and a bit of fucked-up-ness, women are way less likely to cheat on you.
Then again, I’m young and I’ll leave for university in a couple of months. So I think I’ll drop my girl and focus on myself and plate spinning while listening to Bill Burr.
Unfortunately I'm married (8 years) and working 12 to 14 hours a day on school at the moment, so there is no time for working out or paying attention to her at all.
"Whatever you have been expecting for some time comes as less of a shock." - Seneca. Just remember hypergamy applies to all women and they're just children. Don't be bitter, just be ready.
Across all the alpha characteristics I've examined this embodies them all.
I appreciate the compliment.
I don't think that means what you think it means.
Marla Maples cheated on The Donald with her bodyguard on a beach.
There is no preventing women from cheating
The crazy part is she'll justifying in her head that it wasn't cheating. She'll tell herself it was just a fling on vacation, or she's going to break up with her boyfriend anyways.
For whatever reason, she needed attention and validation. You gave her what she wanted most at the time.
This is a great FR and all but you’re missing one point.
The guy could be a gold medalist swimmer who’d shredded and still be a beta bux. Which is probably why she started giving you signals early on. She was bored of him.
If that’s the case and you demonstrate alpha qualities and go for it, chances are she’d go along with it if you play it right.
Taking a girl from a beta is MUCH easier than from an alpha. Beta means she bored, knows she has him, he doesn’t give her the tingles or acts like her bitch, and doesn’t want to lose her. See how easy this sounds. Unless the girl is super loyal and is bent on staying faithful (yea right) it’s gonna be easy.
Try taking a chick from a guy who follows all the stuff on here, it’d definitely have a shit ton more resistance.
Top post OP.
I'm banging a coworker. She texts her bf stating that she's ok and that the medic found her ok, right after fucking me wildly in my bed. AWALT indeed. You don't need to control your girlfriend. You don't need to have her facebook password, or anything. If you are not around, and someone who entertains her is, you lose. Period. This guy plays Dragon Ball Z too often in his friend's place. That's what happens when you are not around.
Yeah she'll cheat if the time is right and youre not. She'll also cheat EVEN if the time is wrong,BUT the guy is right(better than you).
Smooth. Usually for me they look at me dumbfounded and "why? talk about what?"
You have to feel her vibe towards you. That’s key.
She sounds like a hoe honestly, I don't want this to come off as BP but I'd say a good 70% of chicks probably act like that, chicks exist who aren't whores
what stories like this do is tend to train people to think "Never trust anyone, AWALT, etc etc" but what that has a chance of breeding is paranoia which in turn breeds a ton of unattractive shit within yourself
Give people a little trust, but not so much to where it becomes "your world" that shit is dangerous, if someone has cheating in their blood they're gonna cheat simple and plain. You can't control people and every little action every second of the day. If it happens hard next them suck it up, then turn to other chicks you've kept hanging honestly.
Chicks like this don't deserve actual LTRs they deserve to be treated like flings
Maybe it's time to stop giving a fuck. Paranoia or anything wont stop it from happening. The only thing you can do is vet that she is not a hoe before you LTR.
that's the point I'm trying to get across, dont sit and analyze it, let life happen and act accordingly with dignity leave the chick if she does it and move on, really simple
Do you really think that a chiseled swim team Chad free from his girlfriend is at home like a love sick puppy while you bang his girl?
Get real. He's probably out gaming HB9s and getting laid while you're bragging about banging his gf, whom he probably doesn't even care that much about.
At least, I hope I'm right.
Either way you did the right thing and made the right moves, just don't go making assumptions to give yourself an ego boost.
You are wrong as fuck. The only thing alpha about him is his swimmer build.
From what she told me, he’s a momma’s boy, that doesn’t do shit for himself apart from putting his body under water.
Dude used to cry a lot be a bitch about lots of things. I saw pictures of him. Nah dude, boy ain’t alpha.
Not sure if I'd believe a cheating whore's description. When has a woman ever said "My boyfriend is perfectly fine. He's alpha and dominates me and does all the right things." While she's taking it from behind by another man?
She said “do you know how good a swimmer’s body feels naked?”
You should have said "yes I wish had a swimmer here but you'll do."
And if she got pissy, kick her cheating ass out of your room. This shit is totally unacceptable.
Briffault’s Law. More true every day.
Totally right on this one!! I’m going though the same thing
I've caught my LTR in loads of retcon from when we first started talking/dating.
It's really quite hilarious.
Self loathing or self loving? Great read.
Self-loving. Edited the mistake. English is not my first language and I do happen to have occasional slip-ups.
Everyone seems to cheat. I don't know if it's just a character thing and these people are more common or an age thing being 23.
Most girls in my friend circle have admitted to cheating. What blows my mind is they don't see it as being wrong on their end for any reason other than they feel guilty it hurt someone. They hold themselves so high, i don't know to me once you cheat you're worthless. You go from being a new Jaguar F-Type SVR to a shitty used Honda Civic sitting in the back of a shady dealership.
I am not much better because I have convinced a married friend to sleep with me and a 1 or 2 others that were in relationships. These are people who swore they would NEVER cheat. WELL LOOK AT YOU NOW. They always had an excuse as to why it was okay. I'm an asshole because I mean that is a shitty thing to do but it still blows my mind.
A girl who I guess you guys' would call a "oneitis" that I held to high standards and thought was different. Nah though she hasnt cheated yet she admitted she would given the right person.
It has made me cold towards potential relationships. I care very little about establishing a connection beyond physical because I find it so depressing.
I spend a lot of time on both TRP and MGTOW. People on both sides make fun of either side (like usual with humans, we pick a team and show loyalty, we don't think for ourselves). But this stuck out to me:
And that's where I'm stuck. It's like...if women don't value the same things, or really, even some of them, as strongly as I do/would for the duration of a relationship, what does this mean? Are there ever answers? Should I become a cuck-creating bull like yourself? I am ethically trapped here, it seems like. Most of the women I am actually interested in fucking are already in relationships, and I always stop myself, and I always feel bad. The only time I didn't feel bad was the first time I did this, and that was the first time I fucked a girl at all. I basically stole her from a guy who was taller and bigger than me (and I'm 6'2"), and she proceeded to dilute my value over the course of about ten years. So I don't want that anymore anyways - her cheating at the end really shouldn't be a surprise, my enemy was myself and my identification with idealization. Now I just want to fuck bitches and recognize that this is always how it was and I passed up many opportunities to do this when I was younger - they all wanted me to cheat. It is obvious now.
But alas, I was raise religious, and it warns against the nature of women. I feel this is a chasm where I may fall never to return to sanity, almost symbolic. Maybe always being alone but randomly finding wonderful moments to fuck hotties IS the goal, I am not sure.
Okay, so is TRP actually saying you should only spin plates and never go LTR?
I'm aware of AWALT, I believe in it and actually witnessed it. But, what's the "hidden meaning" behind these "testimonies"? I ended up with girls who were in a LTR and it's easy for me to confirm stories like these, but what does this mean for my current LTR?
I'm honestly coming from a place of a slight confusion and don't know what to make out of my relationship right now.
All these bs threads from in experience nerds who suddenly found the meaning of relationships.
Yea she'll cheat whatever you do she will and you should too , monogamy is like the unicorn it doesn't fking exist.
If you are afraid your woman will cheat don't get involved with beautiful women or never be in a relationship either cause in real life these happen.
If its rare and one time fucks and forget is fine if its another secret relationship or happens a lot break up and move on
the story is probably fictional... or the author is very young. i have just seen this whole red pill hype, and honestly can't believe how people are full of prejudices.
EVERYONE is different! you can not generalize! it is very immature to think that way. no two persons are alike! if you had a bad experience - do not lose your faith. i know, it is hard to find a "normal" person nowadays, but there are still good people out there, that have dignity, morality and ethics! do not act like jerk, respect other people!
i have never cheated. i know plenty of people who didn't cheat. be good human being and you will attract good persons. with an attitude "i am an α male (or better say moron) and i will f... as many "chicks" as i want", you will probably get some serious sexually transmitted diseases... and attract low quality women, too.
ps. people should be themselves. there are numerous "coaches" that "teach" desperate young men how to be some "α male" (or better say moron). they do not want you to be some ultimate fckr, all they want is your money! they've found the perfect target - low confident, desperate young males without their own attitude. and they "teach" them how all women are who... who will cheat on you. very, very immature and childish worldview. not to mention that you won't be yourself, you'd rather be as the same as tons of other guys who regularly read that stuff.
regards
LOL! I'd report you for moralizing but this is pretty deeply buried...... but if you honestly don't think there are plenty of generalities in human behavior, well, whatever.
Also, have a few tricks up your sleeve to pull girls.
Would you mind elaborating?
As in, for example, when I pick up a chick, I play a psychological trick on her.
I put my hands in front of her, palms up, and tell her to lay her hands on top of mine. Then I start moving my hands slightly while making conversation casually. At some point I lift my palms up slightly and drop them down a bit faster. If she follows, she trusts me. If not, she doesn’t. Then you tell her it was a test and tease according to her response.
That’s the ace up my sleeve.
Isn't this one from mystery?
I guess so, can’t remember. I know I read the mystery method at like 16 so it might have stuck from there
Thanks for the concern. I'm careful.
I would say shes the real player here mate. Glad you enjoyed yourself and learned a few things.
Great Post. Can we get more of these? Like with examples and stuff not just saying how great FRAME is lulz. Seriously I feel like in the last couple of months we don't get posts like these anymore.
You are a shame for us men. You knew that she had a boyfriend and even so you continued having sex with her. Motherfucker.
Luckily I had a great example of this in high school. I was 16 years old and I was running game on a HB8 a year older than me. I was NOT very good looking in high school. The only good thing I had going for me was that I was 6'3 and that I played in a band so most of the school knew me.
I knew this chick had a boyfriend so I was consciously not pushy nor did I give her much attention because she was one of the hottest chicks in the school (she modeled) so I didn't even try to get her to like me, I was genuinely being myself. She asked for my number because we were in the same friend group and she saw how much everyone liked having me around. I remember playing hard to get and giving her a feeling of "we shouldn't be doing this" in a flirty manner, even though we were still just friends. Again, I believed that this chick would never like me and she was just being sweet.
I had her in my bed weeks later and I plated her for a couple of months. The shit is that her boyfriend was pretty fit. He was as tall as me, he was better looking than me and he definitely had a better body than me. I was skinny fat.
i dont think she thought you were better than him, she simply wanted some strange cock while she was away and was testing to see if you were gonna turn into mr jealous loverboy. you were there for the pussy and not the beta emotions, so in her subconscious animal mind the pussy was given.
I posted a more brief general version of what you just posted and a few "men" reeee'd at me for, what they perceived to be, bragging.
Good on you. This is a much better FR than I did - same message though; AWALT. Well done.
Guys Awalt is true so dont understimate its concept,however men and women are like this ,monogamy is a social construct! back in my bluepill days i would cheat on all my ex's and dint know why,i would regreat it each and everytime i would have sex with someone ,but i couldnt help it sex felt great with someone else that was not my girlfriend at the time, us man are taught to be good little boys who follow the rules and obey the system,on the other hand the only thing they teach women is to look pretty,so if finally hit me women arent liable for any of the actions they take,something will be justified and she will be free of charge,guilt or whatever.While you as a man is following the rules ,the women is looking for ways to breake them, let that SINK IN MONOGAMY IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.YOUR NATURE AS A MAN IS TO BANG AS MANY WOMEN AS YOU CAN HANDLE
Sure it is.
The big difference is men will (far more often) own their cheating, and actively try not to. Women more often will just follow what they feel in the moment and rationalize it after.
Probably the most important point. They’ll cheat on you and it will be your fault for not being/doing/having/giving insert anything you want after that
Exactly. Just as described in this post.
Also, the men reading here are (generally) looking to understand what they've already observed-the infidelity/inconstance of women. No ones "makin' this shit up".
So true. I have a thing for married women since turning 30.
While I was a resident, I met a girl who had just gotten married a few months ago and back from a European honeymoon. You could tell she wasn't completely enamored with him - he was a super nice guy but definition of a beta. As a resident you spend 100 hour weeks in the hospital and late nights working together. Within 2 weeks I was fucking her regularly - in my car and mostly at her apartment when the husband was at work. All it took was being assertive in a stressful situation. This lasted about a year then she got batshit crazy and wanted me to commit.
I met a nurse who married a guy after they had been dating for a while then she got pregnant. She had slimmed down back to her pre-childbirth weight. I could tell she wasn't happy about her situation. Yah within a week I was pounding away. This lasted about 8 months then we just fell out of touch.
Met another nurse with a long term bf for 9 years (he was from an extremely wealthy family over in Asia and they were long distance). That was extremely easy - talked her up and had her as a side chick for months. Her guilt eventually ended it which is too bad.
Currently "dating" a nurse who's married with kids but slim as a toothpick with the most amazing ass ever. I hit it every other week when she can ditch her deadbeat husband who decided he was too lazy to work and makes her do all the work instead. He's 6' 3" with a built body in construction and yet too lazy. I'm a short guy and pretty well built and keep in shape but since he turned himself into a beta - not being a man of the house she's opened her legs for someone else.
Married / taken women are the most fun. They know how to fuck unlike younger women and they are hornier. If you can find a married or taken woman in a situation they're not happy in (and feel trapped without options), it's on.
You're greasing the skids to get yourself shot or beat up man. Not moralizing but it sounds like you're thrill seeking via these married women. Watch your step dude.
Looks like we got a badass ova hea
Nah just a nerdy guy that ended up chasing his passions (and women). Anyone can lift and get fit like a mofo and strive being the best person they can be - and be confident in it. The rest follows.
Nurses are the worst examples of AWALT, especially with the hamstering. Not surprised you've had such success with them.
Do you get off on fucking over married men? Whats with the married nurse theme? Someone's going to shank you if you keep it up.
Yah I'm pretty careful. The married women I know are married to total betas. But yah most of the crazies that shoot up theaters are also betas.
He’s a doctor. Literally you’re married to the job and all the women you mean are gonna be nurses from working there. It’s not hard to understand .
I'm a doctor. In one of the more demanding specialties. I don't need to pick the low hanging fruit.
Also, fucking married women as a thing is pathological, don't you think?
I don’t consider married women or nurses low hanging fruit. That being said, I’d agree it sounds like a problem if he’s targeting them.
If she's single, you're competing against all of the other guys out there. If she's married, you're only competing against one. And she's probably seen him at his worst.
Jerry Seinfeld's wife Jessica was just back from her honeymoon with the heir to the 2nd largest theater chain in the US, and she met Jerry at the gym.
My brother is a doctor. He says all his female doctor friends acknowkege the fact that women are crazy. They are just very hormonal and emotional in general. Most women are too stupid, narcissistic, or myopic to realize that many things they do are not logical.
I certainly wouldn't call women stupid. That's a bit ridiculous. I went to engineering school and some of the women I met there made me feel like a total dumbass even though I excel intelligently(wish the facial genetics were a bit more kind though). You need to see there's a difference between being stupid and just being "in the moment" emotional where things don't matter to them.
Woman will fuck the man that she sees as the dominant male in her actual context. The brain don't care if there is another man more dominant and bla bla on another country, it doenst matter for nature. Nature is always in a hurry for survival and reproduction. Start to think in simple ways of survival and replication and you will understand how stupid conditioned we still are compared to what we think we are. The paragon of nature, but still a beast.
If this is what this sub is about then I’m ducking out. Don’t any of us plan to get married to someone we can trust with our lives and know they would never turn their backs on us? It’s time we get a little optimistic here and you know what, if two people are only together for physical reasons, then obviously one person will never be enough. On the other hand, if two people are together because they really truly love each other and have an emotional connection as well as physical attraction then being with one person forever can be enough. At the end of the day, No one here will ever be with the prettiest girl in the world. But, if you love your girlfriend or wife, and you appreciate her for who she is as well as think she’s pretty then she will be the most beautiful woman in the world to you and only you and you won’t even want to be with someone else. I Genuinely wish you all the best of luck in finding someone that you can trust and that will trust you in that way.
I'm not running you off, but yeah, that's what this sub is all about -- waking up to reality as it is vs. thinking it is what we wish it was.
Ever see "The Matrix"?
I’ve never seen it but I know red pill is facing the truth. The truth is nothing is ever just the mans fault and also not just the woman’s fault if you treat someone like shit that’s how ur asking to be treated and if you treat someone as a sexual object then that’s how you will be treated
You probably should read the sidebar if you're interested in TRP as we talk about it here, but this subreddit isn't an outreach program or recruiting platform. It's more a source of info for people who are interested in learning and discussing RP concepts. RP guys probably won't spend a lot of time trying to convince you to RP yourself or defending TRP to someone who is basically doing a drive-by.
the redpill is a bitter pill to swallow, hypergamy doesn't give a fuck about 'love' and 'emotional connection'. She doesn't care how much you love her or how much you've sacrificed for her in the past.
You're going to realize your 'one true love' is fucking an alpha behind your back & you'll be back once you realize the Disney 'happily ever after' narrative is bullshit .
So it’s a community of pessimists who want to take advantage of woman for their physical attractiveness?
please continue believing that all women are perfect little angels that will love you for who you are no matter what, like i said you'll be back.
So I should not trust any woman because sometimes relationships don’t work out? Why should we live the rest of our lives miserable and unfulfilled
Can I get some cliff notes? I have a busy schedule and don't have the time to read a romance novel by some lame guy who is getting cheated on. Straight up. Have some respect for the reader.
What is this sub? Is the red pill an offshoot of incels or vice versa? I don't understand what I've stumbled on here!
Nothing to see here bud. Go to sleep and act like nothing happened.
Awww man! I just was curious!