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Deleted Instagram; Banged Instagram Model

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by KeffirLime on /r/TheRedPill
28 May 2018 06:09 PM UTC
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I've seen a lot of posts and questions regarding Social Media on here recently, so I thought I'd give a little insight into my Social Media cleanse and the corresponding results it's had on my life.

I had a fairly decent following (6k) but deleted my account for the following reasons:

I was pissing away time on it. Up to an hour a day, just looking at other peoples lives. Mostly women(I couldn't give a shit about updates on other mens' lives). I'd be scrolling through my feed, looking at women I found attractive, but wasn't fucking, basically orbiting. I never liked or commented on their posts, as they had enough of that going on with half of India's population commenting 'Nice bobs and Vagine" or a horde of 12 yr old's commenting "Suck my dick baby". It became clear to me that this is generally the standard of man that lurks around, liking pictures, validating, showering them with attention when these women have nothing to offer besides their tits and ass. Yet they sit on their Social media throne getting ego muff dives. I was no longer going to be a part of this.

Unless you're a social media Chad, a wealthy man, showing a top 1% lifestyle, and a big following, you're basically the virtual equivalent of an orbiter. No woman ever logged on Instagram and saw Billy, with 12 posts and 152 followers, liking pic number 45 and a timid "Hey" in the DM's and thought wow, this guy seems like a real prospect.

I have gotten some pussy off Instagram before, but weighing up the time investment, and my general disdain with Social Media in general i deleted it.

Fast Forward two weeks and I'm out at a Beach Bar celebrating a friends Birthday. It's Late, things are dying down and i spot an absolute beaut. Tall, Petite, Perky Ass, Fake tits(but well done). A real looker. My mate tells me she's a girl he's seen on Instagram, whips out his phone and shows me. She looks even better in the pictures. Has a 110k strong following.

We were at a table with bottles, this generally seems to attract women like flies to shit, especially high status women. They want high status men, they're not as concerned about your looks as lower HB women. I'm the best looking of our group, so I stood out, and we're making eyes. I hop up and go over and introduce myself, I'm chatty and cheeky in general and make some light conversation. I start turning the conversation more sexual, trying to draw her in. She's fairly receptive to my advances. Music stops bar closes, i'm not quite at the point yet where I feel she'd come home, my phone was dead, so I told her to take my number, I don't think she's too used to this but seemed to like the cockiness that i would ask a "girl of her calibre" to do that. She took it and she went back to her friends, i went back to mine, we all went home. Later that night i recieve a smiley face, so i know she's fairly keen.

I didn't respond that night, i waited until after work the next day. To which she replies "I thought you forgot about me". We text a bit back and forth, she quickly asks what's my Instagram, I said i don't have it, she asks Facebook? nope not that either. I set up a date for later in the week, (told her I'm only available then). She agreed.

We meet up and the chat is flirty, she asks why I don't have Social Media, I told her my life is interesting enough i don't need updates on others. She attempts at some point during the night to show me her Social Media, i decline, i said, "lets stick to the real world for tonight". I think at this point she was realizing that she wasn't going to gain any favor from me through her Social Media following.

The realm where she was queen and men bent at the knee for her didn't even feature in my life. She was no more to me than any other women i could be on a date with. She was going to have to gain my attention in other ways. Coupled with this she told me she couldn't do her usual social media vetting of me(because obviously i don't have it). This added to the Mystery i had going for me. She didn't know who I was, Who my friends were, What i did for a living, or how i spent my time. Even on the date i was very vague about everything, joking and deflecting when she asked questions.

We were a bottle of wine down and the sexual tension was clear. She was wanting to order a cocktail, and i told her to skip it, We'll rather make them back at my place, I said "I've got a better view anyway"

The rest is History.

Lessons:

  • Unless you're showing a great lifestyle, you're just another lurker, follower
  • You're wasting valuable time on Social Media that could be used far more constructively
  • With HB8-10 woman you can be as jacked, good looking as you want, they're looking for status
  • Mystery, maintain it at all costs, her hamster will fill in the blanks
  • Stand out, she had built up a huge following on Social Media, but with me this meant nothing, it immediately leveled the playing fields and she had to win over my favor in other ways
  • Take time texting her, don't be too available, a woman of this caliber is simply not used to it


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242 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

my favorite line "she looked even better in the pictures" lol. they do seem to lose their luster without their insta filters.

101 upvotesdinnerwithfunions1 year ago

The average chick these days could be a professional hollywood/model photographer with all the camera tricks they pull.

36 upvotesRedPlanetMan1 year ago

There is the one thing I learned and remembered from MySpace in the early 2000s: beware the profiles with lots of pictures with nonsense angles (I.e, pic from the sides or from above or from below, etc, that don't really give you a clear view). If there are no clear pics, good chance something is up.

Also, duckface.

19 upvotesdinnerwithfunions1 year ago

Yup good rule of thumb too is if there are no bikini o equally revealing pics she’s heavier than she looks

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

and yet they still decide to whore themselves to minors on the internet until they are forced to work at Fred Meyers instead of using that valuable skill to get themselves a stable career...

11 upvotesWillSalt1 year ago

Even without a single edit to a picture it's easier to look good. Take 1000 pictures and keep the one that looks best.

1 upvotesTreanwreck1 year ago

Well ya fat girls can be non fat girls on anti-social media

379 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

Social media for women is the equivalent of online resumes and job applications— a centralized location to judge male status in the palm of her hand. This is why they insist on a username. Most men, even attractive ones, get lost in the virtual pile of noise. You’re just another pornhub video on the video gallery list except they’re real life men. With just a couple clicks and a few messages, she can have dick delivered to her like a pizza in 30 minutes or less.

IG, facebook, and snapchat are an overflooding sewer of betadom. Truly horrendous. Men with no confidence to talk to them in person showering them with validation and virtual support behind their screens jerking with the other hand in hopes their oneitis will acknowledge their existence with a winky face. Some even send them gifts, order them pizza, or pay for their channel just to watch them play video games. You cant keep eye contact with her in person, thats your inner loser staring right back at you. You brag about being facebook friends with her you sad, sad, desperate man. You make me sick.

Social media is a game, not some care free do whatever. If you deny this you dont get it. Never add women or like/comment on their pictures if you havent spoken to them in person. Like pics that you’re in together. Dont read any of her stories, they’re all just attention whoring.

126 upvotesneet_goblin1 year ago

I actually use Instagram to follow my male friends because I couldn’t care less content posted by thots but I like to see what the boys are up to

61 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

me too. i really don't care about women at all i just want to see all my men

180 upvotesZenith81 year ago

This sounds incredibly gay

34 upvotespmmedenver1 year ago

What do you mean he clearly likes birds

(In men's pants)

4 upvotesArdyAy_DC1 year ago

It's a comment on this sub, so there was at least a 50% chance of it sounding that way.

4 upvotesgains_o_clock1 year ago

this and sports for me, I don't like reading news about it I'd rather get updates from there

4 upvotesLuckyluke231 year ago

social media is a tool for business thats it

5 upvotesbaldginger691 year ago

nice post.

I've been traveling around South America for the last few months and have been slaying off of tinder, Latin American cupid, and day game. my buddy suggested creating an instagram as it would give me an opportunity to meet the true dime pieces who probably aren't on online dating sites and who'm I probably wouldn't run into at a grocery store or something. After about two weeks of trying to slide into girls' DMs and being left on read most of the time I think it's time to delete the instagram. I understand that just cold messaging girls on insta is not how to optimally use the app, but starting an instagram from scratch and trying to show high value by having a ton of followers is not as easy at it sounds. I'm 29 and if I would have kept the instagram I created years ago I'm sure I would give off a lot more value, but at this point I'm not sure starting a new one is worth the cost/benefit.

After about two weeks of having the new Instagram I have a 76-39 follower to following ratio and about 20 photos, a couple of which have about 50 likes through using hashtags. The hashtags seem to help with getting a lot of likes, but not a lot of followers (and followers are what display high value/status). Again, unless your some fitness trainer or something it seems like starting an instagram from scratch is a bit too much work for the reward.

I will probably delete it today and just go back to online dating/day game and trolling Latinas via WhatsApp Status updates.

Unless of course, someone has a quick and easy way to obtain followers and not look like such a scrub with my 76.

4 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

You’re doing it wrong. Take intimate selfies with women and cool photos with friends first before you make an instagram, then you start with the ball already rolling. Your first week should be a good selfie of the face. Then a few days later, one with friends, then one with a girl (this gradual progression prevents you from being percieved as a player show off). Everything should be women and cool photos with mixed group of friends from then on

Every time you meet a new girl, swap IGs, demand you guys follow eachother right there in person. Theyll ask why you only have a few photos, just say it’s new. Work from there. No woman thinks you’re low value with a few photos with attractive women touching you even if you have a low follower count.

Every new girl you add requires another couple photos to start digging you (past ones alone get your foot in the door, new ones generate los tingles). After she sees about two or three, you can DM her with confidence she’ll respond. No need for some huge following.

3 upvotesbaldginger691 year ago

thats solid advice. I have a good amount of pics with chicks but they all look like boyfriend/girlfriend pics. most of them are selfies with girls I've banged and/or been on dates with. I have not posted any of them to my IG. probably because it would be awkward if one of these girls found my IG and was like wtf why is there a pic of me on his IG. I guess your approach would work better if I just uploaded pics with girls in real time to my insta. also, I am not much of the "take a picture of me" guy, hence why social media feels like "work" to me.

6 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

You should like taking pics with women, its a great excuse to put your hands on them and get their number to send it to them. It creates a social vibe. She’s gonna automatically like it on your feed because she’s in it.

Doesnt matter if they look like bf/gf pics (Those are my most liked pictures). The more intimate she looks with you the better, especially if it looks like you’re ‘just having fun’. As long as they’re not too old, past pics are fine.

3 upvotesbaldginger691 year ago

thanks warlock, your advice worked like a charm. they were filming a music video at this sick air b n b I'm staying at in Colombia right now. I saw two chicks taking a selfie, walked over, put my arms around them and joined in their photo session. immediately after I asked the hotter one, can you send me those pics? she whipped out her phone, took my number, sent the pics, I posted one to my instagram story which she saw and probably loved, I followed up with her the next day and scheduled a date. hopefully, all goes well and I can close. but either way, thanks again.

106 upvotestalexanderc1 year ago

I too recently deleted my Instagram. It's just validation for women and I won't be part of the cuckoldry

1 upvotesMatacks6071 year ago

I heard Instagram models let you poop on them if you're an Arab man. Maybe if you put on a turban you could poop on her.

15 upvotesmeektakeL1 year ago

only if the price is right

21 upvotesEuropeanAmerican4201 year ago

Maybe a prince but not any random arab

-6 upvotesmowgli17031 year ago

You realize that there are filthy rich Arabs or any ethnicity in general that aren't princes right?

26 upvotesw2011 year ago

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that yes, he realizes that.

3 upvotesmeaningintragedy1 year ago

Check tagthesponsorette.com.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

What? Have I missed something?

21 upvotesredpilltaste1 year ago

? You got laid because you were good looking and didnt screw up when she was sizing you up for sex. Don't listen to this guys reasoning.

1 upvotesBazooTheSoulEater1 year ago

What do you think would have happened had you still had Insta and gave it to her, with your "sub-par" follower count and all.

I think we all know the answer here. Unless you are incredibly high value and maintain your social media like a second job, it is more detrimental than helpful.

33 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

I've closed a couple models in the past, but this one had the biggest following, the others were more supplementing their model careers, whereas this one lived off her insta, it was her life, so the fact that i didn't give a shit about it certainly played into my hands

18 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

In my experience, it's only helped.

I've banged 2 models, one IG model and one runway/music video model.

Both saw my IG had 4k followers, combined with my growing youtube channel, now at 10k. It got them interested.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Do you share your YouTube channel to women?

11 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

if they ask about it, yeah i'll show them.

Always with a tease tho, "Yeah sure here... I bet Im more popular than you."

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

What generally is their reaction when they look at the content? Or maybe they just look at the subscriber count and dont delve further into it?

5 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

They seem to like it. One FWB watches all my videos

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I have 2 Youtube channels with 20k subs each but they stopped making me money when they started squeezing ad revenues. Not worth my time now. One made me almost 3k a month back in 2011.

138 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

she asks why I don't have Social Media, I told her my life is interesting enough i don't need updates on others. She attempts at some point during the night to show me her Social Media, i decline, i said, "lets stick to the real world for tonight".

Riggity REKT damn bro you got her good.

she told me she couldn't do her usual social media vetting of me. This added to the Mystery i had going for me. She didn't know who I was, Who my friends were, What i did for a living, or how i spent my time.

Wow. She snitched on herself, but girls do exactly that.

The only thing I disagree with you on, is that you should delete your SM. I'd rather take pictures of a top-tier life and videos of a top-tier life. I'd rather show the status, like that lesson of yours says with HB8+'s. I'd rather stand out by having high number count etc.

Still, valuable lessons. Hot women care more about status/social proof than looks. The rest of the lessons were good as well.

Solid post.

78 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Still, valuable lessons. Hot women care more about status/social proof than looks.

Disagree. Lots of women want a high status guy for relationships. So they can show them off to their friends, on social media, etc. But not for actual sex (which let's be honest. That's what we really want).

A good-looking, in shape guy (even with low status) can clean up in 2018. Look around. We're surrounded by overweight, out of shape nerds. Girls want to get rocked in bed. You think some youtube or instagram "star" who bench presses 90 pounds can do that for her?

Status is the ultimate BB (other than money, obviously) if you don't have anything else to go along with it. Girls will stick around for the attention/fame/money, but she would much rather be fucking the ripped guy at the gym who isn't even on social media. And chances are she is. My buddy is a personal trainer at a gym. 30, in ridiculously good shape, but he's a trainer. He doesn't make a lot of money. The amount of pussy and attention he gets is crazy. These married woman are constantly flirting with him throughout their sessions and the guy cleans up. Being in shape matters so much.

Plus, there's the "mysterious" aspect of a guy who isn't plugged-in that women love too.

Obviously good looks and high status is the ultimate winner, but looks>status imo, and it isn't even close.

44 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

You're right, it's a different kind of fucking, a high status guy vs. a ripped sexy guy.

But, I guarantee the famous rock stars/rap artists of today will have no trouble pulling a girl away from some ripped, jacked nobody.

In the end, it's still sex you're getting.

57 upvotesAuvergnat1 year ago

Hot women care more about status/social proof than looks

You're right, it's a different kind of fucking, a high status guy vs. a ripped sexy guy.

Dude, how can you make those perfect videos and still be so off the mark in terms of theory?

  1. AF;BB. Women have the dual need for alphas AND for betas. She needs the sexually attractive guy, and the dependable provider.

  2. Many things factor in a man's SMV. Looks, Game, Status. It's contextual. Girl A at time T and in context C can get the alpha tingles from a hot pool boy without game or status. Girl B at time U and in context D can get the alpha tingles from a rock band leader with an ugly-ass face and no game. So no, hot women DON'T care "more about status/social proof than looks". They both count. It's contextual. It depends on the girl, on her time of the month, on her relationship status at the moment, on the local hierarchy she finds herself in, etc.

  3. What makes a beta is not so much money or status, but most importantly his capability and willingness to give her his resources (time, attention, money, support, etc.). Without attraction, she will lure him into providing by giving him sex she may not be really wanting to have. So yes, there are two "different kind of fucking", but no it's not between "high status guy" vs a ripped sexy guy", as she might see high status as alpha as you say. There's different kind of fucking between a guy she sees as alpha, and a guy she sees as beta.

9 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

I literally agree with everything that you just said. It almost feels like I'M the one who typed that.

In fact, I'm pretty sure we had this exact conversation in the past.

In my experience, HB 8 9 10's prefer status > looks.

65 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

This is because low value girls focus on a guys looks as a form of validation from society (she wants people to think she is able to attract a hot guy because she has always been the average / ugly girl). Very attractive women aren't dating men for social validation; they get endless amounts of validation already from social media and tinder. Most hot girls have thousands of likes on tinder and get hundreds of DMs from desperate chodes calling them beautiful.

Try to imagine the reality of a girl like that: complete abundance. 99.9% of men on the planet want to have sex with you. Sex is not even something you ever worry about. Your problem isn't getting laid, its finding people who don't just want to get your validation and leech value off of you. You date guys who make you feel the most comfortable and at ease. You literally just want a normal guy who isn't weird and possessive and value leeching.

If you had millions of girls begging to fuck you 24/7 what would you screen for in a girlfriend or potential mate? How would your attitude be different? Think about it from the role of the selector. Looks don't matter as much as guys on here think they do. They wouldn't to you if you were in complete abundance, too, because one 10 out of thousands who want your dick and approval ain't shit. You can always fuck a 10 if you want to, so it loses its appeal. It's only chumps who have something to prove who brag publicly about the girls they fuck, like the guy who first gets a taste of making above average money thinks he's hot shit. True status doesn't need to flex. It is known. If you were in abundance you'd value personality over just looks alone, as long as the girl is relatively attractive. You'd screen a girl to see if she is worthy of your seed. You'd give them shit just to see if they could prove themselves.

Really, any dude can crush it, but only if he gives himself permission to be that guy. For most guys abundance is so far out of their reality that they can't even grasp it. True abundance makes you not give the slightest fuck about losing the girl or getting her approval. Hell, you don't even care if it doesn't work out with any specific girl because you have too many options.

3 upvotesTheTrenTrannyTrain1 year ago

Rollo wrote about it, validation vs transactional sex.

15 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Yeah, but let's be realistic. For every 1 famous rock star/rap artist, there are 50,000 bums. If you're a believer in hypergamy, then there will ALWAYS be someone who can get a girl over you. There's no reason in worrying about it. Being ripped gives you a rock star aura IMO. You aren't famous, but you naturally attract women by just walking into a room.

Again though, the rock star is high status so she might prefer a relationship with him (if that's what she's looking for), but women can't fight their DNA. An athletic, ripped guy who can rock her world in the bedroom, has the upperhand on EVERYONE. I 100% believe this.

She might leave you for a BB provider when she's ready to settle down, but she's still going to be thinking about you in bed. And by that time you've moved on to a fresh crop of early 20's women. And if you want to fuck women in their 30's/40's (some guys like that), you're literally shooting fish in a barrel. Those women have spent the past 10+ years of their lives having awful sex with their 40% bodyfat ex-husbands. You're going to be a rockstar to them.

5 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

Rockstar groupies dont try to get into relationships with them, they are happy for the ride (and to ride him) as a non-committed groupie.

Same with drug dealers - they pussy through their status.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I was referring to high status men in general. Not specifically rock stars, drug dealers, etc. I probably should've made that more clear.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

If you really think women put looks higher than status you're a fool. I'm sure you're a good guy but let's be honest, women don't crave hot bodies the way we do. If you've got presence and status, looks are just a bonus and nothing else. Of course you gotta be presentable but you don,t need to be "jacked". Dress well, don't have a gut and that should suffice.

1 upvotesebaymasochist1 year ago

Being in really great shape is more than just looks, it shows your entire lifestyle. Being ripped takes discipline, commitment, forward thinking, effort, mental and physical strength. Those are all traits men should possess. And besides that.. Everyone wants to be ripped. But most people can't do it. But YOU can. You did. That sets you apart

11 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

Thanks man, and yeah it can certainly work for you, Im more of the opinion that If you're not presenting your life as high status, It's more detrimental than beneficial.

Also the sort of investment it takes to show off a lifestyle like that(if you are not genuinely living it) is also not worth it IMO.

I'd rather focus on my real world persona, and maintain Mystery in that case, personally Mystery tends to get the hamster into overdrive.

1 upvotesTRP_TEX1 year ago

With the top-tier life, I've purged my instagram that any photo from the last four years is only high quality and fun. Mountain climbing, surfing, campfire at the beach, etc.

I'm wondering though, my followers have gone down about fifteen hundred or so since I stopped being so active a few years back.

Would it be better for SMV if I purchased followers and likes? So, say just like 1,000 likes on my last few pictures and purchasing more followers to show that I have more activity? Purely for a SMV perspective?

2 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

lol. yeah, do it. if you can get the ratios right no one can tell the difference. look up machiavellian body builder from / misc on the BB forums who was banging sluts by using fake facebook accounts as preselection

1 upvotesTRP_TEX1 year ago

That's brilliant. I'm wondering how you could do that on ig though, since people can see member count.

1 upvotesLiveAFTSOV1 year ago

Make a new account or convert your account - make yourself into some kind of minor celebrity. You need a reason to have a high follow count.

When I was cheating, my excuse was art. Now, I actually have a reason for high follows - youtube channel.

Buy followrs, buy likes on your pictures, then buy comments.

Make fake female accounts have them comment on your shit, oogling you. Fawning over you.

Boom. done.

As long as you dont have 10k follows and 15 likes per picture, you'll be ok

1 upvotesl000000001 year ago

How much would all this cost typically?

if you can get the ratios right no one can tell the difference.

By ratios do you mean followers to likes ratio?

29 upvotesSchhwing1 year ago

Well played sir (here’s your ego boost for today). Her frame scuttled against the rocks of yours and she was forced into you leading. The emperess has no clothes.

Not having social media now acts as a kind of immediate polarity. Women know subconsciously that it is a women’s validation game, so a man who denies that immediately is different/ has mystery.

24 upvotesred_matrix1 year ago

Social media is voluntary caste system. Opt out boys.

89 upvotesand_another_dude1 year ago

You banged a shallow slut and are using her supposed social media status to make yourself sound cooler.. while posting on different social media. Good job?

17 upvotesmonadyne1 year ago

This is a "social media" site in the same way that a university classroom is a tiki bar. In other words... not at all. People come here to learn and to share and to teach. The OP isn't here virtue signaling: he's sharing his experience so others can benefit.

15 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

I'm not sure why that would make me cooler, she's just another pussy to me, but seems like you've put her on a pedestal. The Social media dynamic was the point of the post. You seemed to miss that.

1 upvotescobalt17281 year ago

I agree with this. This story is just kind of pathetic

12 upvotes7mile_1 year ago
  • With HB8-10 woman you can be as jacked, good looking as you want, they're looking for status

OP you contradicted yourself when you said the 8+ are just looking for status.. and yet you said you were the best looking guy in the group and caught her attention.

So it isn't just the status that worked here.. It was a combination of the 3 variables Looks, Status (in your case perceived status), and Game. You used all 3 of them and downplayed the importance of 2.

4 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

Probably should have clarified this, all the guys i was with had Status, looks was a differentiating factor amongst us. But if it wasn't for me she would have picked one of my not so good looking friends over the 10/10 looks college student on the dancefloor.

22 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

You're missing the point of social media. It's not to game strangers, but to create a system that works passively once a girl is in your funnel. This is how you optimize IG:

  1. Cold approach, instagram close (she should be following you so she sees your stories and you come up on her feed).
  2. Post stories, pictures and videos that social proof you subtly. This means can be a short video of you hanging out with a cute chick, you taking a photo of some model, travel, etc. (Get a dslr camera for high quality photos, same rule goes for tinder).
  3. Post stories often. They don't have to be interesting, just some shit going on in your day.
  4. Don't waste time browsing that shit. Your role is to give value to bored chicks on their phone who vaguely know you, not waste your time.
  5. Create the "crush effect," allowing the girl to stalk you and get a glimpse into your life, see the cool shit you are up to, etc.

Now you can message those chicks some value and watch them crack open. Often they suggest hanging out together. The point of social media is to complement cold approach, not to replace it. I don't have all day to keep in touch with the hoes in my phone. I want my social media to social proof the shit out of me and let the girl see my lifestyle and the abundance of bitches in it.

Again, don't waste time on insta looking at other people. Just make quick stories with polls, questions, etc as you go about your day

8 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

If it's working for you great. And it certainly can. The main point I'm driving is don't be a Social Media orbiter. Liking, commenting, in the hopes that you'll get noticed.

Also, if you don't have a profile displaying a great lifestyle, with a decent following, which the majority of men don't, you're doing more damage than good. I personally believe an individual is better off focusing their time on building their real world persona.

Social Media CAN work in your favor, it's just where you want to place you time resources. In general though, I't benefits females far more than men(this is the fault of the orbiting men)

2 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

I fully agree. Don't waste your time commenting and liking shit from strangers. Instead figure out what hashtags the kinds of girls you like often browse and start using those when you post. You'll show up on their feed and they will be exposed to your awesomeness.

You really don't need THAT much status. You need to provide some level of entertainment. Natural attractiveness = the girl getting a crush on you over time, entertainment keeps her hooked and builds more comfort with her. You can have shitty approaches turn into dtf hoes because they see your social media and realize you're an awesome dude who is banging hoes and doing cool shit. You let the social proof do the bragging.

I don't even close a girl's number anymore. If I can't pull because of bad logistics, I go straight for IG, then get her other info as needed from IG. This is coming from someone with over a thousand numbers in his phone (approach more motherfucker); the number is overrated. Managing even 50 numbers is hard work. I'd much rather just let social media build passive attraction for me and let the girls react to my life than sit there thinking of things to talk about and waiting for responses.

Granted, if I want to reignite an old connection I will send a value ping of some cool shit I'm doing like working on a song or making new artwork. "Check out what I made !" Usually gets a response even if the girl hasn't talked to you for months, you can use that to start a new conversation (haha what cool shit have you been up to lately ?).

I think we agree on the same points. I just think social media can be a huge tool when used correctly.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Do people even browse hashtags?

1 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

People follow hashtags, allowing them to see random posts and discover new people. Some hashtags are also suggested, like the town or city you are in.

At the end of the day, your instagram's purpose is to generate interest in the girls who you closed but had trouble scheduling a date with for whatever reason. It compliments cold approach as a way to keep old leads still interested.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

The city is a smart one yeah. I 100% agree with your post. But i'm in my 20's so that may help. It also depends on what person uses what social media tactic. Some things may work for some, not all.

10 upvotes7mile_1 year ago

Social media has a weak effort to reward ratio. You're better off not having it and keeping that mystery vibe

10 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

The purpose is to keep the girl in your funnel. It's not a lot of effort, just take a video and add a caption about how you need coffee. Mystery vibe is overrated and tryhard and it can work against you. Social media makes the girl feel like she knows you, and if she likes you then she'll be down. No dumb James Bond shit.

2 upvotesCasaDeFranco1 year ago

Really? I make a killing off my social media which I have to do for my business anyway.

Speaking functions, attending conferences in new cities, milestones I've killed at work and illustrating my passions and adventures for family and friends.

My point is social media can be a low investment that many engage with already and is an effective complement if used accordingly.

5 upvotesGreek-God-Brody1 year ago

This. Insta makes it easier to pull directly to your place a girl that you cold approached some day.

I very rarely waste time browsing other people's stories. I just post mines and let it do its thing. Briefly checking the chicks that are checking me out. That's about it.

2 upvotesendertheend1 year ago

Now you can message those chicks some value and watch them crack open.

Can you explain this a bit more? What do you mean Some Value?

1 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

Value text is a text about some random funny or interesting shit. Best if it's something that happened to you, but it can be a funny meme. The point of the value text is to ping her interest without asking for a response.

2 upvotesUnboundaries1 year ago

Not going to knock a system if it works for you, but trying to "prove" yourself to women, in general, and especially on social media is pretty weak "game" in my honest opinion.

So you've got her instagram, you follow each other, and you waste your days trying to impress dumb instagram hoes by posting videos of yourself doing shit?! Lol. I mean come on what is the need for all that noise. Why complicate it to this extent where you're using 15yo girl tactics to try to appear intriguing?

3 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

Where at all did I say to do dumb shit to impress hoes? It's about lifestyle and taking up space in her mind. It social proofs you without you having to do anything.

Social proof is not an attempt at "proving" yourself, it's an honest signal that displays social intelligence, preselection, abundance of resources, adventure, fun, etc.

Examples of social proof: her seeing you with other attractive women; her seeing random people say hi to you; her seeing the owner / staff of a venue socializing with you. The bar is not that high.

How can instagram social proof you? Pictures, videos and stories of you doing cool shit with other girls are pretty much the baseline. You can also have pics of luxury lifestyle, but that can lead to the wrong kind of women paying attention to you.

Put yourself in her shoes: you meet some girl, you check her facebook and she has like 8000 friends, pictures of her travelling to different countries, having fun, dressing sexy, hanging out with celebrities, etc. Does her value increase or decrease in your eyes? Was there any tryhard act on her end? It's just her social media profile, lol. You can stalk that shit and feel like you know her, which builds trust and a sense of connection.

All you have to do is snap an occasional picture while cool shit is going on around you.

1 upvotesl000000001 year ago

I'm in my mid 30's, never got into Instagram but intrigued about it for game from these comments.

Is it important to be in the pictures you post? I take pictures when I'm out but usually of other stuff but I don't do the selfie thing much. If not couldn't you just post pictures from local even forums?

What if my hobbies aren't photogenic. For example BJJ. After a few photos pictures of guys rolling around a mat isn't going to be exciting. I'm active but none of my hobbies are like cycling where there is always new scenery and I don't travel for work, etc. Is IG worth it for me?

I've been considering a dslr but I can't imagine myself actually taking it to regular social events (unless I'm there to take pictures). How much do you carry it around for IG pictures?

2 upvotesswaglordobama1 year ago

You don't have to take selfies, but it is good to have some cool professional photos of yourself. When I meet a girl on a night out and close her IG I always say something like, "let's do a photo so we remember eachother tomorrow." Then I just snap one with my regular phone and send it to her. Later I can post it on my wall with a caption like "this girl was so fun/cool !" And tag her in it.

Playful, fun, and challenging frame let's you get away with a lot of crazy shit, even when you just met the girl. The other day I met this chick outside a convenience store, after talking for 2 minutes I ask her if she can dance, I start dancing, we're grinding butts, I turn around and say, "I love your butt, may I slap it?" She says sure and sticks her ass out (it was a nice ass). Other times I rub my nipples in a mock sexy kind of way, girls fucking love this shit. I take their hands (slowly) move them over my chest, and them her to give it a feel, then I say, "omg her boobs look nice, feel hers!" They start feeling eachother up in public and I usually join in. Same goes for getting girls to kiss each other, which is usually a prerequisite to pulling a threesome. Once they are horny as fuck for each other (and you), you mention you have a big bed and pull. Adding instagram to the mix makes these bitches go wild. You can literally use instagram as an excuse, like "kiss her for instagram !" "Do it for instagram !" "Wow it would make an awesome story!" You can even hand one of the girls your phone and be like "take a video of me doing ___ for instagram !"

Back to the main question: if your hobbies aren't photogenic it doesn't matter. You don't want like 5000 pictures on your wall of random shit, you want like 20-30 that communicate your lifestyle and make you look like a guy who girls like. One or two pictures from your hobbies is fine, you can add more to your daily stories which disappear after 24 hours. The stories are key because they show up on the home page as long as the girl follows you. People love to watch their friends' stories and if you're doing some interesting shit, they will message and ask you about it.

You don't need your own dslr, you can always ask a buddy who is good with cameras to take some pics of you.

Keep in mind that having photography as a hobby is great when you are dating attractive girls. You can become an amateur photographer and just learn a few settings, then when you're hanging out with them (or even as an open) you can have them model for you. "Wow, this would be such a cool shot, stand here and do a pose." Post that to IG. Girls see you are hanging out with other attractive girls, and you know how to take good photos (Value in a girls eyes), which gives them incentive to hang out with you and get fucked.

Finally, remember that instagram is there as a management tool to compliment cold approach and online game. You meet the girl and have her follow you. Instagram is not likely to generate cold leads unless your profile is really fucking on point / famous. Just focus on providing value and displaying a fun lifestyle and girls will stalk that shit and want to hang out.

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Very interesting post. But what about the importance of social media in college/university? I have neither Instagram nor Facebook, but I'm starting university next year and thinking about creating it for when I start university

15 upvotesFedora_Tipper_1 year ago

I feel like it doesn't hurt to have it if you avoid following models/random girls you don't know. It's good to have awesome pictures with a high resolution camera. I personally only post one pic a month but get tagged in alot because I'm social.

4 upvotesKinbaku_enthusiast1 year ago

She looks even better in the pictures

Heh. That's one way to look at it.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Mostly women(I couldn't give a shit about updates on other mens' lives).

That's actually more beta/ blue pill than the opposite would be.

6 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

Correct, which is why I stopped doing it/deleted insta

6 upvotesabh9851 year ago

Good post bro. I agree with you that 90% men use SM to lurk on women they have 0 shot of getting IRL

Personally, I will never delete IG/twitter because I’m a huge football fan and keep up to date with players/trades/contracts/game live-streams through social media.

I rarely post and use only Tinder/hook up apps when I wanted casual sex back then.

IRL hooks always >> social media asking out too. Much easier to get her attention, have her see your face/body/height and charisma IRL than online

6 upvotesZenith81 year ago

Can we get an instagram link for this broad?

7 upvotesInteristi101 year ago

Post photos of the girl OP?

2 upvotesw1seguy1 year ago

He's too busy banging other models right now, you'll just have to wait

7 upvotesLuckyluke231 year ago

man...

i don't know what it is about this post but I felt it was really " hey look at me I fucked!" maybe it's cos I'm too jealous or the fact I'm too advanced now and know all the " tricks of the trade"

when I read she send you a SECOND message. I knew it was on. the title said you banged ( so i know you could handle your shit) and she had the attraction.

after that, you just gave her something other guys aren't if it was any other chump he would have given over his social media.

it's right what you say about Instagram I recently got rid of 90% of the thots I had on there and now I just have photography people because I'm trying to get into it.

3 upvoteselcartmano1 year ago

I only have 70 followers, I try to post some quality photos and I enjoy doing it but it seems impossible for me to have more. It's way more simple for girls as you just have to show you ass. I feel like if any girl find out that I only have 70 followers my SMV will drop to a very low point to their eyes.

Probably deleting my account is the best thing to do

9 upvotesbssftw1 year ago

You have 2 options.

Make your profile public and mass comment on popular igs/unfollow follow ig accts with high amounts of followers, people will follow you

Or

Delete your account. 70 followers is deviantly low, a major red flag, and will get the pussy dry af.

2 upvoteselcartmano1 year ago

How much followers do you think is enough to not raise a red flag for girls?

I know 70 is really low and probably show that I'm a low value beta male with a very limited social life (which is true but I'm working on it). As all this makes me depressed I think I'll just delete it for the moment (too bad because I really enjoy to take and share some cool pictures)

-1 upvotesbssftw1 year ago

Not to come off as preachy or douchey just trying to lend advice here, but I was in the exact same position as you for the first 3 - 5 months I had ig.

I literally had 72 followers and was following a little over 100 people. Not good.

What I did was this. I created a goal in writing, and then created a plan to achieve said goal.

My initial goal was 'I have 100 ig followers'.

I had such a limiting belief regarding my ig potential I didnt even set a goal that I would have more followers than following.

Next, I wrote down my plan, 'at least 3x a week I research how to get IG followers.'

Well, what happened was I exceeded my goal by 300% and I currently have 50 more followers than following. My peak follower number was 355, im now sitting at 300 followers following 250.

If you have cool pictures as you say, 100% you can boost your followers, that is however, if youre willing to allow random people to follow you. My page is exclusively cool photos and ever since I set this goal I never looked back. For me, the necessary social proof it brings is well worth it.

In regards to what isnt a red flag. At least 100 followers, that is bad imo, but not devastatingly bad like a double digit follower count is. Ideally, you woukd get to at least 150 - 200 as now youre at least in the game, it isnt impressive, but it isnt fucking you over either.

Also, I rarely ever post, prior to my most recent post 2 months ago, I went almost a full year without posting and was able to maintain my followers. Im 100 percent confident if i were to post weekly over time I would be able to gain 1000+ followers with a 2:1 follower to following ratio

2 upvotesbssftw1 year ago

Lol at this having -1 likes, is this an alpha male forum or a butt hurt faggot forum? Everything I said is true and replicable

6 upvotesttkkk1 year ago

Didnt downvote u but imo you just sound like a girl in disguise haha read the word "followers/follow/following" like 10+ times in your comment...

1 upvotesDownvoteDaemon1 year ago

Explain the second part about unfollowing

3 upvotesFedor_Gavnyukov1 year ago

go follow kylie jenner and justin beebs.. every new post they post, just look at the comments.. its all shit like LB, FIRST, FIRST ROW.. (lb=like back, first=like my first pic, first row=like my first row of pics.. basically, like for like type of shit.. FB also means follow back) etc.. you go and do the same.. comment spam like 5 in a row comments.. or just say shit like TITS or something that doesn't fit what everyone else comments.. you'll start getting likes and followers

or you can just pay to get followers.. all fake accounts out of india or some shit

2 upvotesGreek-God-Brody1 year ago

Put your profile as public if you're not doing it already and start using hashtags.

1 upvotesso_dee_pops1 year ago

How'd you get 6k follows? That's a lot.

7 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

I used to do fitness modelling

3 upvotesWorldNewPilla1 year ago

Ooh that's great. Deleted my instagram few days ago as well.

3 upvotesrrealnigga1 year ago

Now just wait until you become an attractive guy with a bit of money then go with a group of friends to a bar and wait for an attractive girl to lock eyes with you (and none of your friends because you're better looking). Once that happens, remember the lessons you learnt from this post and apply them.

Good luck!

4 upvotesno_its_a_subaru1 year ago

Finally Simone gets it. Social media is a big part of the problem with modern women. As a man it takes a shit ton of money to compete with a filter + average tits and ass on social media. The only way to win the social media game is to not play.

On a side note, how do nuke a instagram “model’s” confidence from orbit? Point out her shitty photoshop skills. Like op said, she looked better in her pictures. Most instagram thots just use liquify to make them “adobe gains.” 99% are absolute shit at it, look at tits and ass; you see anything that is bent or distorted? Yes it’s liquify guaranteed.

2 upvotesScheme001 year ago

Just deleted mine. Had 6 posts and 100 followers, never used it but it still dropped SMV upon anyone’s review. Good post

2 upvotesiLoveReddit321 year ago

Great field report. Thanks. "She looks even better in the pictures" well duh!

2 upvotesdinnerwithfunions1 year ago

Sick story. I've been getting lots of chicks dropping in my DMs lately even though I have no pics of me on my profile.

I'm an artist and aspiring tattooer so I use my profile as a quick portfolio to whip out when I'm trying to network and build clientele. I like to do photography too and go urban exploring and going on all sorts of weird adventures with my homies so I post a lot of that crap on my moments. I keep my face and identity completely separate from my profile because I just don't like voluntarily disclosing that information to private companies in this day and age. After I make sure they're not a cop/sketchy person I send them one and usually get an "OMG you're hot" type response back.

Kind of funny, tonight I made a post of some stupid meme and two girls I'm gassing up respond to the same post with the same exact response lmao.

I feel like social media can be good. It can help boost your self esteem a little bit if you're a decent looking dude with low self esteem (maybe you were a fat nerdy gamer kid with acne in your youth like I was). Like if you obsess over your follower ratio and spend too much time on it, I see it as unhealthy. Perhaps spending any time on it is unhealthy though. Like anything, some people can use it with moderation and for some it becomes something that consumes their life.. TV, alcohol, drugs, video games, porn.. You name it.

2 upvotesshinolas1 year ago

I’m an expat overseas. My following isn’t big, just under 1k. But I travel all over Europe, as well as multiple trips stateside per year. My instagram buries the hook deep when I meet new girls and sometimes gets old flames coming around curious.

You don’t gotta be a rockstar. Just post cool and flattering shit.

2 upvotesSkyCorpHomeVideo1 year ago

"No woman ever logged on Instagram and saw Billy, with 12 posts and 152 followers, liking pic number 45 and a timid "Hey" in the DM's and thought wow, this guy seems like a real prospect"

giggled like a little fucking bitch at this

1 upvotestheM8inCharacter1 year ago

Can I ask you to be more specific about what lifestyle you have?

3 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

Sure, what exactly do you wanna know?

1 upvotestheM8inCharacter1 year ago

Just wondering does that mean you have to be rich? And what do you talk to the HB about?

3 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

Not necessarily, wealth helps, but in this case It's more status that is the draw card. Wealth can play an aspect in status, but it is not status in its entirety. HB8-10 women look for status. I really don't recommend targeting these women for anything other than sex(if at all).

1 upvotestheM8inCharacter1 year ago

So how do you exude that status? Social proof? Being sociable?

2 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

It's not something you would really be able to fake on long enough timeline. Think Cristiano Ronaldo, he has status that cannot be faked. You could go to a club and buy bottles, pretend to be wealthy/high powered/famous and you could go home with a great looking woman, but it's a short term fix, eventually you will be found out. Build real status, this is the long term solution.

1 upvotesrrealnigga1 year ago

Did his previous reply answer any of your questions? It didn't seem so to me

1 upvotesCurtis1871 year ago

Dude. Seriously, what’s the point of this post?!

4 upvotes000Spartacus1 year ago

This entire post reads like the fictitious writings of a desperate virgin who wishes he was something he never will be

Is this really what this board ia about? Because that's all i'm getting form these threads. Don't believe me? I guarantee you won't give me the name of this "instragram chick" that you speak off because she doesn't exist. Pathetic

3 upvotesBlu_Haze1 year ago

Most of the posts here read like beta male fanfiction.

2 upvotesrapeturd20061 year ago

https://youtu.be/RZtvW2MUz1k

2 upvotestkhendall1 year ago

Deleted Instagram; masturbated to an Instagram model.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

What did you do to get a 6k following? That's kind of a weird in-between number.

1 upvotesMatthew156511 year ago

Thanks man, but for me I think genetics are everything.

1 upvotesWhiteGhosts1 year ago

> of that going on with half of India's population commenting 'Nice bobs and Vagine" or a horde of 12 yr old's commenting "Suck my dick baby".

LEL

1 upvotesmrfritzeltits1 year ago

Needed this! Upvote because it made me feel accountable to my actions of wasting time on social media and encouraged me to more productive.

1 upvotesst3ady1 year ago

I was considering deleting my Facebook recently as I had not updated it in a while, maybe 4 years. I logged on and was surprised to see a recent message from an old mentor that was offering me a job opportunity if I was interested. I think it can be useful to keep your account active, but not too active.

1 upvotesabudun791 year ago

Whenever I meet someone (male/female, business/personal, every age) and find out that they are useless non-achievers, they turn out to spend half their life on social media/forums. Even worse than the typical fapper.

1 upvotesUnboundaries1 year ago

Good information ITT. Never involve yourself in stupid social media where women just post pics of body and have guys pouring at them. Correct, it is beta. They're NOTHING without their stupid social media. Go get them in person and they're just a fucking person.

1 upvotesEscortSportage1 year ago

This is a great post! Ive always been a fan of real life vs social media life. It annoys me when im out with friends male/female and all of them are more concerned with sharing the moment with the people that didnt show up than actually having a good time here and now.

1 upvotesloncollins1 year ago

I agree with you that no social media has a profound effect, equivalent to going no fap. With no SM you have to rely on cold approach and no fap you have to rely on a chick to get you off.

However, as others have mentioned, SM can be an valuable tool in your toolbox to get in touch with chicks. Obviously best case scenario you pull a chick from cold approach or social circle and being alpha/aggressive like you did with your insta model. But in certain cases SM can be a good alternative to reach out to girls.

For example, a few weekends ago i met a lil smoke through a cold approach and was with her for a while (danced for a bit and got a make out). Ended up seeing one of my plates and going home with her and not getting the first gal’s number. I found her on insta, DMed her, and we’ve gone out a few times and banged. Without insta, i probably wouldn’t have gotten the lay. Cold approach and social circle always beat SM and apps, but having those options can only help.

1 upvotesVanwaq1 year ago

i deleted social media platforms 3 years ago. I noticed my self wasting a lot of time and not getting any positive return. In fact it was causing me to be depressed some days due to looking at others glamours lives. I can tell you there wasn't a second where I missed any of the big 3 platforms. I freed up so much time and the mystery part is real. When I tell girls I don't have any of those platforms they have no idea how to react and they begin to ask a million questions about me which is all the information they would have obtained on one page on facebook or instagram. If you still have any of the social media apps. Purge them all you won't regret it.

1 upvotesChad_Castle1 year ago

Just out of curiosity, how old are you OP?

SM seems to be something that people here apply a blanket rule to. From what I’ve observed, older men (30+) have an easier time getting away without SM. There seems to be a larger stigma against it for young people.

I’m not going to lie, if a 21 year old told me they didn’t have Snapchat l, I would think they are weird af. I’m not disagreeing with your point, I just think your age can really dictate how it is perceived.

2 upvotesKeffirLime [OP]1 year ago

Im 28, technically i think i fall in the bracket of someone who "should" have it. That's probably why it generates more interest/shock value when i don't.

Age is not too relevant, Ive seen 19yr olds with shit profiles, 200 followers, orbiting, who would be far better off not having this crap advertisement of themselves.

And then I've seen 35yr olds, with 100k+ followers, with women drolling over them.

It's more the principle.

1 upvotesAshyLarry271 year ago

Guys don't stand out anymore. Everyone is the same. They all treat her like a queen, until someone changes things and makes her work for the status people gave her. I remember chatting up a girl at this big bar, I remember doing stuff like getting other guys to buy drinks for us by tricking them into thinking we were related and it was our birthdays. Just teasing and BS game. It didn't take long before her butt hurt orbiters kept trying to pry her away from me. I hadn't found TRP yet, so I went with the dopey "oh shit is that her boyfriend" mentality. She randomly texted me if I was going to the university home coming since I hadn't contacted her since that night at the bar. Lets put things into perspective: We went to two different schools so I never went (BP'd like a motherfucker plus went to a party instead) and that was a good >2 months< since the bar. Must have spoke volumes of her "orbiter to chad" ratio she encountered during those 2 months, let alone just some basic guy with the balls to talk to a girl like a normal person. Half the battle is just not being the guy that gives the spoiled rich kid more presents.

1 upvotesWrath_of_Trump1 year ago

I'm actually surprised she didn't shit test you about the social media, I would think she would do that before giving up her advantage.

1 upvotesKempff951 year ago

While social media is often a cesspool of the BP, I have found that a presence does have some practical utility. A few times, female friends of mine have showed their friends my Insta, and thought I was hot (have gotten a few dates this way, by literally doing almost nothing). Also, the DM feature can be helpful, as long as it's someone you already know in person (sliding into the DMs of an Insta model or your college's most popular sorority whore probably won't work).

1 upvotesgeo_gan1 year ago

All very well saying don't reply / comment etc. but if she has 50k followers and only 10 reply, then don't those 10 stand out more than the 49K that in her mind don't even exist? Now obviously they may be noticed and then judged that they are losers but still isn't that better than not existing at all?

1 upvoteslivinglikeJamesBond1 year ago

Deleted my Instagram account. Should have done it a long time ago. Thanks.

1 upvotesZanford1 year ago

Great field report, you reframed away from an arena where she has situational status (social media) with a nice 'let's stick to the real world' dig and showed her how to have a good time on your terms.

1 upvotescrytpomarketing1 year ago

" half of India's population commenting 'Nice bobs and Vagine " haha facking Hajiis will they ever learn? they can't even poo in the loo correctly

1 upvotesViramont1 year ago

I feel like pics of the OP and women they’ve interacted with need to be included with these posts to prove their legitimacy.

I have a hard time believing any field reports posted here lol

-1 upvotesgman9921 year ago

So, women like guys with money and friends? I am so glad I have you guys to explain these things.

1 upvotescritical-thoughts1 year ago

All of OPs story and anecdotes are easy to say when one has good genes and a good job. It's like advice from one successful model to another. Doesn't really apply to lower level people.

3 upvoteseboody1 year ago

I think it's still applicable because neither his nor her social media shit was in play. The whole point was that leaving it out leveled the playing field. If you create a frame for her to fit under then you can make it work

1 upvotescritical-thoughts1 year ago

My point is that he was on her level to begin with, but lowered himself to bypass the game.

2 upvotesmanwithoutwire1 year ago

Incorrect, read the sidebar or at least the Rational Male. Leagues/levels are myth.

1 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

You may not get a 8+, but using these concepts, you can get better women than you could before. That’s what this sub is for. It’s not some magic harem palace.





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