Do You Even Lift?

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May 29, 2018

DYEL? I used to shake my head at the "meatheads" that had this as their mantra. DYEL, bro? I thought it was stupid and unnecessary. Some of you do, too.

It's not. Lifting is by far the best thing you can do for yourself.

Why is picking up heavy things and putting them back down so important?

Lifting gives you a body that is attractive to the vast majority of women out there. Would you rather be attractive or unattractive?

Would you rather date/fuck an attractive woman or an unattractive one? Two twin girls - one is average, the other looks toned and fit. Otherwise identical. Who do you pick?

So not only do you get more sex, the sex itself is better due to more stamina and harder erections.

I love the physical presence of usually being the biggest baddest motherfucker in the room. Instant alpha status without saying a word. You rather try to amog a 120lb longhair stoner or a 240 lb MMA dude with cauliflower ears?

Being in a gym with other huge beasts gives you a sense of humility and brotherhood.

Being around other males with the same outlook, drive, and desires leads to male spaces and friendships, a category sorely missed in the culture of today. (Everybody knows about "Curves", right? Woman only gym. Every wonder what would happen if you started a "male only" gym?)

Strive to be a better man than you were yesterday. Then tomorrow strive to be better. "The only easy day was yesterday". Having a concrete goal and striving toward it gives you the power to believe in yourself. Seeing those lift numbers go up, the belly fat disappear, the increase in girls that literally have to touch your arms/shoulders/abs (swolestation) all allow you to view progress.

Lifting is not just about getting jacked. Lifting is a discipline.

Getting up early, going to the gym when you really would rather lie in bed next to a naked sweaty girl takes discipline. Putting the donut down takes discipline. Gutting out those last reps to failure takes discipline.

If you're jacked, you can't help but show that you have complete control over at least one aspect of your life. This control and discipline bleeds into your personality. You actually become a more confident, self-assured person. That's the kind of guy women want.

Lifting using large muscle groups increases testosterone.

Losing fat increases testosterone.

Losing the FUPA (Fat Upper Pubic Area) will give you a bigger dick.

There are virtually no fat fuck 70 year olds waddling around. Why? They're dead of heart disease/diabeetus/liver failure from abusing their bodies for 40 years. Keeping your body in great shape pays dividends in the future. There are multiple older guys at my gym that are still vital and loving life, not cruising down the aisle in Walmart on a sad scooter leaving a trail of Dorito crumbs. I want to be that horny vital 70 year old that still has a twinkle in his eye. Lifting reduces bone density loss and improves balance,,, or you can topple over one day and break a hip. Also reduces the risk of other joint injuries.

New studies show weight training slows cognitive decline. Increases BNDF and hippocampus size.

Going to the gym is my pilgrimage. It's not home, it's not work. Nobody has any control on my time but me. The iron church.

Pushing yourself to add another 5lbs and having the drive and desire to do it for yourself, because you've made lifting for life a goal, gives you the fortitude that your validation is internal.. you're not pushing yourself for anything other than reaching your goal.

If you're stressing about something, I guarantee you won't even be thinking about it during a non-fuckarounditis workout.

It increases your sexual stamina. Want to pound a girl until she can't take anymore? Good luck if you're an out-of-shape neckbeard.

Want to throw a girl over your shoulder and carry her upstairs to the bedroom, her squirming as you slap her ass? You need to be strong.

I have no issues with body image. I love the way I look. I MADE this. I like pulling off my shirt at the beach with pride, not self-loathing and fear someone will point out my enormous moobs.

Angry? Use it as fuel. Burn it.

Can't sleep - exhaust yourself against the iron.

Feel the need to masturbate for the 3rd time today? Go lift something. A Shakeweight does not count.

Lifting releases endorphins. I feel AMAZING after a good workout.

Some required reading.... Fuckarounditis

The Iron

You don't find willpower, you create it.

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Title Do You Even Lift?
Author RogerNorvell
Upvotes 830
Comments 287
Date 29 May 2018 06:15 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]globst245 points246 points  (62 children) | Copy

Can attest - my life changed rapidly for the better after lifting.

I then added meditation to the mix (concentration + insight) and things got even better. Do both.

[–]crespo_modesto28 points29 points  (40 children) | Copy

How long did it take you to figure out meditation? What's the feeling you get, I'm trying, probably just impatient. Like "is it working?" haha

[–]globst91 points92 points  (21 children) | Copy

I've been meditating on and off for almost 8 months now.

I only seriously got into practice about 4 months ago after researching meditation options to deaths.

I finally came across (what I believe so far to be) the best resource out there for meditation. A book called The Mind Illuminated.

It reads like a university textbook - splits meditation into 10 stages. Each stage can take many weeks / months to master so you only need to read it bit by bit - master then move on to the next stage.

In a nutshell - there are two main forms of meditation in Buddhism. Concentration and Insight.

Concentration is focus on a single point object (I do the breath). So in this case whenever I have a distracting thought and as soon as I notice it I force a return back to the breath. It's taken me about 3-4 months to get a solid 20/25 minutes in the morning and night. You can often feel something immediately after a sit but the feeling wears off after a few minutes. I started feeling a more day to day change around 4/6 weeks in. I just find myself thinking about things less and when you think about things less (especially negative emotions) you feel much better. Other people noticed around the 4-6 week, keep getting comments on an apparent happier disposition and more of a IDGAF mentality.

However concentration does not bring insight into your emotions (this is what mindfulness/insight meditation is about). So these days I still get angry (or whatever emotion), just less often and the anger lasts far less. To truly let go one has to have insight into their emotions. The Mind Illuminated seems to follow a structure where you master concentration first before moving onto insight. I'm not there yet so I don't have any input on this.

So in summary 4-6 weeks to feel generally happier and ruminate less - but also its taken me about 4-6 weeks of consistent practice to look forward to meditating and make it a part of my everyday life.

[–]whuttupfoo31 points32 points  (13 children) | Copy

Up your concentation time to 45 minutes a day to reap the benefits of deeper concentration states. What’s more important is the amount of time you stay concentrated on your breath without breaking focus. A beginner typically can hold attention for around 5 to 30 seconds at time. Let’s call this a “mental rep” speaking in terms of the gym. Every rep you do, gets you closer to holding that concentration longer even just for 2 seconds more. Increasing your meditation session to 45 minutes allows you more room to increase that length of concentration to 5 minutes, 10 minutes, and beyond.

And that solid concentration without breaking focus produces euphoric pleasure, akin to drugs and orgasms. The longer you spend in these euphoric states, the more it’ll persist outside of meditation and into your daily life. Imagine walking around high throughout the day without the mental fog and sluggishness of drugs. The benefits you can get from being in that state is fucking mind blowing. Read the appendix section on The Mind Illuminated on the Jhanas to get more info on these states.

[–]thewhitefox710 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

I do not mean to berate you, but I am sure that you haven't even had glimpse of Jhana, neither did author of 'The Mind Illuminated'. Buddhist scriptures have both merit and danger of speaking of things very clearly and in very classified way. This can pose danger, as some intellectualist can try to stretch their own experience in order to reach the classification of Jhanas. It's fitting of a square peg in a round hole, in order to glorify your ego 'that you have made it'. By the way that the Jhana Appendix is written in that book and by the way you write:

Imagine walking around high throughout the day without the mental fog and sluggishness of drugs. The benefits you can get from being in that state is fucking mind blowing

I can clearly see that you have no idea what you are talking about. Neither does the author, because he focuses on completely irrelevant aspects. He just lowers the bar of what Jhana means, to be able to cross it - not by his work, but by skweing the definition of that experience. It's not something that you analyze and compare aspects of your experience with the definition, to finally reach half-assed conclusion 'Yup, that must have been it, I'm badass.' If someone put you on fire, you would not consider ‘I wonder what degree of burn it will produce, hmm…’ – the experience is simply overwhelming. You also cannot analyze it afterwards – the memory of the experience is faint in comparison to the experience itself. Keep looking. Don’t trust some bozo from the book, rely only on your own experience. Watch some Jiddu Krishnamurti on yt, he knows what he is saying.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can analyze it afterwards. The impossible part is putting the experience into words. There are just no words sufficient for such states.

If someone put me on fire I could tell you about the pain it caused me. But I would not be able to sufficiently do the pain justice in my description of it.

Also you say "Don't trust some bozo, use your own experience"... and then go on to recommend some bozo on youtube instead??? Come on man.

[–]DayGameChirality1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Watch some Jiddu Krishnamurti on yt, he knows what he is saying.

This. I can't imagine getting into spirituality and not exploring with this guy.

[–]whuttupfoo0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm 100% sure that I experience jhanas. That block you quoted from me is about the lingering after effects, piti, not jhana itself. You're talking to someone who's been meditating 7+ years for one to three hours a day. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[–]thewhitefox71 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You know what you are talking about, until you do not. I hope you will, someday.

[–]whuttupfoo-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I saw this sentence in a fortune cookie before. You sound like a meme.

[–]NYComrade2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I notice a pressure behind my forehead and a pleasurable feeling throughout my head when I lock my focus solely on my breathing. Is that normal and what causes this?

[–]thewhitefox73 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Increased neuronal activity in cerebellar cortex responsible for sensing your own body, you could observe it on MRI. It's analogous to the situation when you are writing some important test, when you can feel greater tension in your frontal part of the brain. This is normal and desirable.

[–]PsychedelicDentist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you hear hippies talking about the "third eye", that's partly what they are referring to. And yes it's normal, it gets more and more intense

[–]MayanEnt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“What’s more important is the amount of time you stay concentrated on your breath without breaking focus”

I disagree. What’s important is being able to recognize whenever your mind gets lost in thought while meditating and going back to a state of awareness of the present moment. Each time you get lost in thought and go back to meditating is where the true growth occurs.

[–]globst0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Excellent advice thank you. Interesting you say that, wanting to experience the Jhanas was the reason I got into Meditation in the first place (before I discovered the other benefits).

I gather that this can be a hindrance as I hear it is tempting to remain in that state rather than seek insight.

Anyway I'm only on stage 3 so a long way to go.

[–]whuttupfoo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not a hindrance, it actually aids insight meditation, making it easier to do. I would even say the Jhanas should be a requirement before getting into insight meditation.

[–]KBeer012 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mind Illuminated

Thanks for the recommendation, just bought it.

[–]globst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most importantly enjoy it! Good luck on your journey

[–]abhishek91291 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is exactly similar to Vipassana, 10 day of sitting and 12 hours of meditation everyday. I did it, tons of all over body pain for 3-4 days. Then from 7-10 days, i reached 'the flow', incredible feeling and super present. Obviously cant put into words.

Similar Changes

IDGAF VIBE, More productive, ZERO Anger, Joyful feeling, very creative and energetic throughout the day, getting pussy's wet from 10ft away

I will be going soon for another retreat.

[–]crespo_modesto1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

meditation options to deaths

Not sure how to interpret that, hope you're alright.

20/25 minutes

Dang. I heard it takes about that long.

I just find myself thinking about things less

This isn't similar to that feeling when you lift and you just feel at ease after a bit.. I don't know if that's endorphins(or if endorphins only happen when you run).

but also its taken me about 4-6 weeks of consistent practice to look forward to meditating and make it a part of my everyday life.

Alright... another thing to add to the ol' bucket list haha

[–]globst3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dang. I heard it takes about that long.

The book recommends building up to 45 minutes in a single session to see more benefits. I'm not there yet, however the means to get there are addressed in the chapters (how to overcome dullness/boredom).

This isn't similar to that feeling when you lift and you just feel at ease after a bit.. I don't know if that's endorphins(or if endorphins only happen when you run).

It's a similar feeling. When you constantly over and over and over many sessions force yourself back to the present (your breath) this eventually starts to spill over into your day to day life. It's like I'm doing a task and more present to the task (instead of my mind wandering all over the place).

Alright... another thing to add to the ol' bucket list haha

Good - I do thoroughly recommend the book.

[–]Ferocious2450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The insight stage is what mystics achieve. They seem to get mystical knowledge from the ether, and it is very useful knowledge.

[–]teeekuuu6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Start with an app called “Mindfullness” some good guided meditations there. Good stuff, I listen to it at work if I get a chance, or right after my morning jog.

[–]Lion-Slicer5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

For me, it has helped with worrying about the future. When you meditate and a thought pops into you head, you neither label it good or bad but just release the thought and go back to the breath (present)

Now when I have a particular worry about a future event, I do the same thing effortlessly because you are training your brain to do this. So the more you meditate, the better you get at doing this.

[–]crespo_modesto1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah that's the plan/goal I'm in the worry/over-analyze/paralyze phase right now


[–]FELLSGUD1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meditating helps you realize that you are not your thoughts, and you don't have to be controlled by them.

[–]Ferocious2451 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its a wonderful feeling. It almost makes you want to cry at the joy of life. You feel present, very aware of your surroundings. And your focus is entirely on your breath and your body. Every cell in your body feels like its bursting with life energy and you love every breath you take. And at the same time, you're conscious of all your tense muscles and you consciously loosen them up, and sit in a very postured yet relaxed position. Focusing on the breath, while simultaneously aware of everything around you, even if your eyes are closed. Its like you have a third eye just watching everything. Its like, your surroundings change. You saw them before you were in a meditative state, but you werent really seeing them. After meditating and achieving presence, the tree looks fucking amazing. You might smile just because. You might touch the tree, and love the feeling of it. An inner joy rises from deep inside you and you feel light. Thats what meditating feels like.

[–]crespo_modesto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Every cell in your body feels like its bursting with life energy

Haha. Read that in Morgan Freeman's voice.

Well I definitely don't feel this. Still trying to get past that "thoughts come up, push them aside phase" it's curl up into a ball and cry.

[–]OfficerWade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just go with the flow. Don’t fight yourself. There’s no special way to meditate except by staying honest with yourself. If you feel disease, anxious, depressed, scared just stop and realize you’ve been able to get in touch with those feelings. Use them to build a framework for your life. Don’t indulge them don’t try and intellectualize them or get caught in the motions.

[–]SpecialSpnk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dl insight timer. It's great. I can definitely attest to both lifting and meditation. I am becoming a fucking machine and loving it

[–]FELLSGUD0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

One way to approach it that works for me:

Think of it like you're working out a mental muscle, your "attention" muscle. For 5 minutes (in the beginning) place your focus entirely on your breath. In and out. In and out.

Every time you find your attention moves to something else (any random thought, could be an itch, your job, that cashiers ass in the yoga pants, etc. ) consciously bring it back to the breath. In and out. You've now done one "rep".

The more reps you do, the better you get at it. So the next time you find yourself thinking negative or anxious thoughts, you can more easily shift the attention off the thought and into the present moment, where you are at your most relaxed and creative.

It's a spectacular way of managing stress and creating a happier, healthier life. It goes much deeper than this, but 5 minutes of breath meditation a day is a good starting point.

[–]crespo_modesto1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

5 minutes sounds reasonable. I like the rep analogy

[–]blacklightsleaze0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One upon a time when my grand grand grandfather used to sheep grazing and chilling in the sunny field under some tree, thinking about nothing, because there was not much to think about. He was basically unintentionally doing meditation.

How days life is intense and you have to think about a whole bunch of stressful shit and do a lot of planning for future which is very exhausting. So you need to sit, chill and think about nothing for some time and you will feel better afterwards. Of course its easier said than done.

[–]Peter_B_Long0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Start with guided meditation like "headspace" or "insight timer" (both free).

You begin to feel a difference after 3 days. After 10 days, others will feel the difference.

[–]NSFWIssue0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You've been meditating your whole life, don't let eastern mystic hippies tell you otherwise. When people talk about "meditation" they're usually talking about an eastern tradition divorced from its religious/mystic roots. Unless you're actually going to practice eastern religion/mysticism, there are more culturally relevant methods of reflection and meditation that you're probably already familiar with (assuming you live somewhere west of germany and east of the phillipines).

"Meditation" at its core is simply the ability to understand your thoughts as thoughts. Then understand that you have power over your thoughts. If you've ever experienced an emotion or had a thought then done a double take and said "wait, but why?" then you've "meditated."

[–]crespo_modesto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Helps to be able to be certain you will be okay. I don't think fear just happens. But then again you can think about what you fear and calm yourself/make a plan.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

Way to hijack the post's message to talk about another topic..

Look I do meditate and do enjoy the benefits, but don't you even compare it to the importance of lifting. Being physically strong is the very essence of masculinity. It's the deepest foundation. It's the main regulator of the male hormone. Your physical health, your mental health, your sex life, your social status, your game... All rely on a solid foundation of physical strength.

Physical strength is your system's firmware. Meditation is an add-on to your browser.

[–]globst0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Not my intention at all to hijack.

I disagree with you however. They are both important.

One could also say that being in control of one's emotional state is a core of masculinity. Lifting alone won't help you achieve this, even though one's emotional state is likely to improve as a side benefit of lifting.

Just do both.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

See my other reply to the other guy:

I disagree. Humans have been functioning without any problem for millions of years without needing to sit down in silence for long periods of time. Millions of humans still function correctly nowadays without meditating.

In contrast, physical strength has been the prime definer of manhood since time immemorial. Through all cultures, and all times, and actually extends to many/most other animal species.

Does meditation bring awesome mental health benefits? No doubt about it.

Does meditation define humanity, or does its relevance is comparable to what physical strength is to masculinity? Are you kidding?

A proper masculine education can give you emotional control. Confidence can give you emotional control. The sort of confidence that comes from being strong, facing and overcoming risks, knowing how to fight, build something with your own hands, or fucking lots of chicks. Masculinity provides emotional control by default.

Again, is meditation beneficial? Sure. Should you add meditation to your routine? Probably.

But seriously, you are watering down the most important take-home message of TRP with your emphasis on meditation.

We have men dying of thirst coming at us and OP is trying to offer them water, and you're shouldering your way to give them vitamins because you think it's just as important.

And again. I meditate. Been doing it for 10 years as part of my yoga practice. But I've only been lifting for two years. And I just wish someone would have managed to get the point across to me way earlier of the necessity to build physical strength before anything else.

[–]globst1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Respectfully I have to disagree again. Not because I devalue lifting. Lifting has given me the fastest and most noticeable results, women now approach me (something I've rarely experienced) and has increased my confidence through direct results. The multiplier effect has continued to increase and I'm starting to understand what abundance is.

However it hasn't changed the underlying firmware that is my brain. I am prone to neuroticism, ruminating and irritability. Although lifting has decreased all of those, as I'm busy enjoying life more now - these problems I've faced are due to a lifetime of acting like a beta. Men coming to this sub have unstable minds, terrible frame control and are often slaves to their emotions. Meditation has acted like a steroid to fix these problems.

If one puts the effort into lifting they can do the same for meditating.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Glad to hear you have found a cure to your mental health issues.

And yes I am sure that meditation is a particularly useful tool for specifically the kind of men who come to this sub. And I'm willing to admit that probably just as important an activity to do as starting lifting for the messed up guys who come here.

My opinion is from a much more general perspective. Physical strength remains the cornerstone of Masculinity, which is the cornerstone of sexual attraction on the human sexual marketplace. Meditation is a practice of the mind only recently discovered in the West, and its absence before that did not prevent western men from ranging on a masculinity spectrum that often had to do with their strength, size, frame, or social skills. Even in the East where meditation comes from, the men who did meditate were not necessarily the most masculine. Did Tibetan laywomen get wet for Tibetan monks because they were so incredibly stable of mind?

To the western young "man" with a lifelong of crippling beta/omega education in a feminine cultural context coming here and needing some help with his crippling cocktail of mental disorders including rage, ADD and depression, I would be the very first person to tell him to get into meditation.

The the man who come here to understand intersexual dynamics, I would tell him physical strength is its cornerstone. Don't even think about building up anything about yourself before you get that physical strength underway.

[–]globst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough. When I think about it, I can't disagree with your logic.

It is enough that men with unstable minds have even made it here. To ask them at the start to both meditate and lift is too much. An unstable male needs something visible and fast acting in order to generate the positive moment towards success and nothing does this better than lifting. With lifting comes gains, with gains comes discipline and then with discipline, one can focus on the life skills that aren't as direct, such as meditating.

Good debate.

[–]cumfortably_dumb-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree with everything you said except the analogy.

"Physical strength is your system's firmware. Meditation is an add-on to your browser."

Meditation is far more important than just an add-on. its not as trivial you made it sound.

As you said Physical strength is what makes us a MAN. Meditation is what makes us HUMAN.

Material detachment and cognitive resonance are the most important takeaways of meditation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I disagree. Humans have been functioning without any problem for millions of years without needing to sit down in silence for long periods of time. Millions of humans still function correctly nowadays without meditating.

In contrast, physical strength has been the prime definer of manhood since time immemorial. Through all cultures, and all times, and actually extends to many/most other animal species.

Does meditation bring awesome mental health benefits? No doubt about it.

Does meditation define humanity, or does its relevance is comparable to what physical strength is to masculinity? Are you kidding?

[–]cumfortably_dumb-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

First of all I didn't not compare Physical strength to meditation.

Secondly, in my previous comment I challenged your thoughts on importance of Meditation. You clearly didn't get that.

Moreover, now you say that the Humanity has functioned perfectly fine without the requirement to sit down and let their thoughts flow through their mind.

By stating this you fail to understand that the human mind was not at the same level of consciousness then.

The fight for survival was so gruesome and tiresome that they didn't have "TIME" to think about other things.

Read about The Bicameral Mind, I hope it will throw some light.

In this day and time we are not striving for survival per se. All of us can go to a mart and get food for the whole month. This kind of freedom was never available to our species.

However, since our minds are becoming more capable to think, we have have become its prey.

Our intelligence is the cause of our suffering and one of the thing that can help us is to let our thoughts be. Let them flow in and out of the oblivion.

[–]mejakejohnson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh the beauty that a beast with brains can offer 😌

[–]Heizenbrg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also Yoga, never gets enough praise on here

[–]DeadliftRx-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

I make time for The Iron but man you must have a pretty carefree life if you have time to sit around and meditate, on the formal sense of the word. I got things that no one is gonna do if I don't man up and do them.

[–]TheFerg69-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Things to do like fucking men in the ass, you faggot?

[–]DeadliftRx-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Check out Graham's Hierarchy.

[–]cudder17-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

You can't sit and meditate for 10 minutes a day?

[–]DeadliftRx0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I can. It was here that I picked up the (para)phrase, 'Don't claim that you're too busy; admit this isn't a priority.'

Lifting is a priority, right after high quality food, sleep, and shelter, and immediately before knowledge acquisition and financal responsibility.

Self reflection does not make my priority list, unless you say it is a part of The Church of Iron and Knowledge Acquisition.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

meditsting gives me a energy boost too

[–]DeadliftRx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey, if it works for you, that's all that matters, right?

[–]Nwandaa106 points107 points  (27 children) | Copy

Was an assiduous lifter and in great shape before a devastating motorcycle accident at 21 in which, amongst other injuries (broken ribs and shoulder, collapsed lungs, removed spleen), I broke 4 vertebrae. I've been dealing with back pain on a daily basis ever since. I tried to get back to the gym as soon as I could, about 2 years later, but my body just wasn't the same and therefore quit shortly after. My chronic back pain is a bitch, but it's nothing compared to the inadequate form i am now in and the way I see myself in the mirror after years of not lifting. I am now ready to try again, well aware of the fact that it is gonna take double the effort for half the results. Good post OP, needed the extra motivation. And guys, if you are healthy and pain-free HIT THE GYM NOW, value your phisical state and honor it by killing those weights.

[–]Flesh_Pillow546 points47 points  (2 children) | Copy

Look into fasting as a healing modality, also optimise your diet, research research research, much brotherly love to you man. We have your back albeit existentially.

[–]Nwandaa18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

I will. Been coping with the pain in the wrong ways for too long.

[–]Flesh_Pillow511 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen some interesting things about stem cell injections, give it a year or two for scientific research to build up more. Just keep fighting man! Through the dark times and the light.

[–]daringdeviljackass10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Dont know yoir attitude towards it but prescribed or self prescribed PEDs (steroids) seem like a viable option. Some like deca, primo, eq can improve joints and soft tissue, while all of the main ones will help with bone healing and general recovery. Either way, stay strong.

[–]Nwandaa5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I live in Europe, so I do believe those are not legal. Thanks for the input tho

[–]StrongerFasterBigger26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

They’re not legal in the USA either lol

[–]daringdeviljackass15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Relevant username, checks out

[–]OlanValesco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just want to point out that some PEDs (like testosterone) are hard on the joints (decrease collagen synthesis by 50-80%), and while some increase collagen synthesis (like winsterol), they also make the joints more brittle because they decrease collagen cross-linking integrity. Also, some cycling can tank your estrogen levels, which will crap on your joints. Further, lots of guys will gain strength quite rapidly once they start a cycle, but they don't make equivalent gains in connecting tissue, and they end up popping a tendon or whatever because they push too much weight.

[–]UncleChido7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

You don’t have to stress your body if you’re injured. It would exacerbate your injuries. Try going light with the weights and seek intellectual gains too.

[–]Nwandaa3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

I guess my mistake was the eagerness to get back to my old regime, without really taking into account the fact that my back is never gonna be the same. I'll approach it differently this time around.

[–]UncleChido1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You already have a good foundation, as you were lifting before. Light weights would definitely work. Good luck mate.

[–]cBIGONE-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Focus on pure hypertrophy bro. Work in the 10 to 15 range. Record all lifts, start light with slow increases weekly

[–]Nwandaa0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The thing is that even walking around with a light backpack for less than an hour means increased back pain the next day. This is one of the reasons why I've been reluctant to get back to lifting: if even the slightest physical effort results in such a discomfort, what will lifting do? I guess I'll have to work smart

[–]bodmon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey bro I have chronic lower back pain as well. Squats, deadlifts, bent over rows and overhead pressing all aggravate the pain. Even when my form is impeccable and weight is light. Now I stick with weighted pull ups, seal rows(or any chest supported row), and bench pressing with a moderate arch. Also for the pain I've found that just hanging off the bar and letting my spine decompress really helps. Also cbd oil.

[–]Nwandaa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My pain is concentrated on the thoracic section of the spine (T8-T12). To give you a point of reference, if I inhale deeply I feel I sharp pain right behind the sternum, probably slightly lower than that. But thanks for the advice

[–]cBIGONE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Have you seen a sports physiotherapist? They can probably help lot with this. Also, there may be some yoga and rolling techniques you can use to reduce that back pain.

How is your diet? Getting enough protein daily? Eating enough vegetables to lower inflammation?

Have you tried ketosis? It can help with people who experience inflammation.

Don't give up bro! If one method doesnt work, try another to exhaustion :)

[–]hash_bang222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not even 30, but in a similar boat. Chronic back pain which surgery could only alleviate, not eliminate. That's been my excuse for the last 5 years and my body is paying the price. I'm only getting older. Now's the time. Thanks for that extra push bro.

[–]matrixtospartanatLV1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here’s some motivation for you.

Also, check into using kettlebells as therapy using ballistic exercises while strengthening tendons, muscles, and connective tissues.

[–]OlanValesco1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey, I've had chronic pain for 11 years. Started lifting last year and my bench is up to 335, deadlift somewhere around 440-445. Every single gym session sucks. Doesn't get better. Every treatment people suggest is terrible and doesn't work, and everybody thinks they're a medical wizard with the magic opinion.

Don't care what other people say; listen to your body. If something hurts in a bad way, don't do it. I don't squat because of my chronic pain. The last time I did, it took 5 weeks to return to base levels of pain. That said, look into wraps and stuff. Wrist wraps are the only way I can bench and shoulder press.

One more thing about "don't do it if it hurts": sometimes working a joint/muscle is what it takes to heal it. Before I started lifting, I had a shoulder injury that had been hurting for 9 months (not related to my chronic pain). After about 3 months of lifting, my shoulder was fine.

Anyway, if you need someone to talk to about chronic pain life, you can message me.

[–]DonPaettyz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ex rider here (crotch rocket), no accidents thank goodness. But I have been suffering from back pain from lifting. Try buying an inversion table. It tractions your spine since you hang from your feet upside down. People swear by this treatment after years of chiro etc. Good luck

[–]weezylane-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Hypnosis is an effective way to deal with chronic pain. Please read up some genuine material and try youtube for self hypnosis. It wouldn't hurt to give it a try. I've personally benefited from hypnosis for my chronic neck pain.

[–]Nwandaa4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm fairly skeptical about hypnosis. But I'll definitely look into it. Thank you.

[–]weezylane0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I understand. But it's not voodoo magic. In fact all hypnosis is self hypnosis as said by hypnotherapists themselves. It has a real measurable response on the immune system and nervous system. Read research papers in psychoneuroimmunology to convince the skeptic in you.

[–]DontYouTrustMe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve done hypnosis when I was younger and had good results.

[–]bounty9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

In addition to getting bigger muscles, lifting slims the face, revealing cheekbones, jawline, etc and has other effects on attraction

[–]Yabadababoobs4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

How though? Lifting doesn't change how your fat is distributed.

[–]FELLSGUD23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

Losing fat makes jawbone more defined, and increased muscle growth around your entire body means your jaw muscles as well (total broscience but a lot of bros have attested to it).

[–]iamanalterror_1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

muscle growth around your entire body means your jaw muscles as well

No, you get that from chewing gum, a.k.a. exercising your jaw muscles. There is a gum called Mastiha gum which is apparently good for a jaw workout

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think the logical answer is simply that people who lift are more conscious of their health and make choices that lead to less fat on their body.

I honestly think if stuff like that worked, we would see it recommended more, because every dude I know wants a killer jaw.

[–]iamanalterror_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I see it recommended plenty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't but I would love to see people who have gotten results from it. I mean that genuinely as having a defined jaw is great.

[–]phenethyljammin4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting increases testosterone which reduces fat percentage and increases lean muscle mass. It does alter fat distribution by removing fat from the stomach area, face and other areas.

[–]DayGameChirality0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly I have 8,1% BF right now and the difference just isn't there compared to when I was 13% BF. I guess that's the way it is when you have a really narrow bone structure.

Fortunately, I believe I have a somewhat attractive face so whatfuckingever.

[–]its_meKnightSwolaire0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

8.1%. May I ask how much you weigh and height?

[–]DayGameChirality0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


As of now I weight 67kg and I am 186cm tall. If my face looks like it looks when I'm 67kg at 8,1% bodyfat, I don't think it'll look any better when I'm 85kg at 8,1% bodyfat. Except more confident, lol.

[–]extreme_aardvark 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Inspiring. I’m a short motherfucker though, 5’4. Can’t help it, so you can bet your ass I own that shit.

Must lift more.

[–]Ardgarius63 points64 points  (4 children) | Copy

Be as wide as you are tall my bro

[–]Yabadababoobs14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

But make sure its not fat so you are not a circle.

[–]throwawaaay8711 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Picturing a 5’4x5’4 person made me laugh my ass off.

[–]TheBunBun5432110 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I couldn't help but picture that dead 'Ugandan Knuckles' meme haha

[–]ozenmacher4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am 5'5". Same boat, I mountaineer and stay very lean. Very large legs/thighs and strong glutes are VERY attractive to woman. I keep my upper body lean and strong, not bulky. It really slims your figure, while still be strong, and "enhances" your height.

[–]possessedmokey19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

I have built a decent gym in a building on my property. Problem solved I can still lay in bed naked with said hot woman and work out for an hour. Lifting was the best decision I have ever made. I'm short thanks to my short parents. So I can't go up I go bulk. I can out lift the vast majority of people I know. Except a few power lifter friends. Nothing is better than picking up a female and Fucking her against the wall.

[–]NoJobs10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Also built gym in my basement. Definitely worth it

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shit, I'm taking up 1/3 of a one bedroom flat with my Olympic half rack/bench/barbell. Definitely worth it.

[–]Builtspill 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Tall guys are jealous of the short range of motion. That's what they always say when seeing a short dude out-lift them. Also in sports/fights you have a bowling ball center of gravity.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

. Also in sports/fights you have a bowling ball center of gravity.

Can definitely confirm. 5'9 and 180 lbs, sparr with alot of bigger guys. Taller guys are more often than not easier to take down

[–]possessedmokey5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is true. In bjj no one can get me in an arm bar lol.

[–]Scandinavianredpill17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy

Great article, you get addicted to how you feel working out - as you say, it's not just physical. On top of that everyone will view you differently if you are big, I have seen the change. People say they don't care - but if you are very intelligent and got great size you will instantly get admiration. You will have something few have.

[–]DayGameChirality-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

very intelligent

Which is like a promile of the population? Why put this in there?

[–]Scandinavianredpill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

to remind you that it's a package, being a meathead with nothing interesting to say and no personality won't get your far.

[–]DayGameChirality0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Was saying that very intelligent is pretty rare.

[–]lastdumra31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy

The mentality change from the hormones can not be said enough.

[–]Yabadababoobs22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

It has a side effect for me, whenever I'm done lifting I wanna suck some nipples, have no idea what kind of fucked up subconcious shit I have.

[–]HumbleRedPillStudent8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment is made funnier by your username......yabadaba, my friend! (o)(o)

[–]GanksGriefersForFun28 points29 points  (9 children) | Copy

Going to the gym is my pilgrimage. It's not home, it's not work. Nobody has any control on my time but me. The iron church.

This resonates with me. Every other part of your life is timed, tested and judged. Lifting you can take at your own pace, with or without a shirt on, with or without music, stretching and lifting at your pace. It requires you to schedule free time, yes, but it's freeing - Like meditating.

[–]Yabadababoobs18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy

My gym don't let me remove any clothes, I would kill to feel my balls dangling when I deadlift.

[–]EdmondDaunts4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Get a home gym. Bottomless squats feel very odd at first.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gives "butt wink" a hole new definition.

[–]GanksGriefersForFun-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I meant at home. Private lifting. Going to the gym takes energy... Having to watch who's on what and how to coordinate your move to the next piece of workout equipment is just.. Tiring.

[–]Buchloe3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dost thou even lifteth, brethren?

[–]GanksGriefersForFun0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

270 max press, 20 pull ups, 60 push ups, etc etc I think that speaks for itself.

[–]ApexmanRP11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Lifting is a discipline."

This should be your first line.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I love the way I look. I MADE this.

I like this but it can cut both ways. If you’re walking around 30-60 pounds overweight you made yourself this way. That bag of doritos wont kill you today. Nor will the one tomorrow, but keep that up and all those shitty snacks you’ve been eating for years will compound to the fatass who sits in his lazyboy when he’s 40 watching wheel of fortune and jeopardy nightly. Alternatively that barbell you lift today wont make you the walking fuck factory people admire, nor will the dumbbell you lift tomorrow. But given time and discipline you will be a commading presence before you know it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see what you're saying? The fact that it cuts both ways is exactly why he's happy with the way he looks. Instead of eating Doritos and mtn dew he took an objectively harder path that led to a satisfying hobby and a healthier lifestyle.

[–]UncleChido9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I sometime read (here on TRP) a comment about lifting. it has stuck with me since as I’ve discovered it to be so true. It goes;

It not really about getting muscles but at the same time it is. It’s about the confidence which you get from lifting which also is the effect of growing muscles.

It’s definitely something every man should do. Keep lifting. No excuses.

[–]Yabadababoobs7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its pure hormones, I was feeling far better even after my first work out ever, I definetely didnt get any bigger that day lifting an empty barbell but I felt deep inside I was worrying about stupid shit whole my life.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

If the people around here who always ask “why lift?” can’t get any spark of motivation to go lift from an anthem like that, they are hopeless.

Lifting, unlike many things in modern society, is better than drugs.

[–]meektakeL124 points125 points  (2 children) | Copy

In other news, the sky is blue.

[–]stoicgorilla32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everybody isn't at the same level, starting from the same place. What's old news to you is brand new to another. I enjoyed his post and rereading The Iron. Great stuff.

[–]Greek-God-Brody7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I remember one of my workouts a few weeks back. Had depressing / suicidal thoughts that day in my head. No way I would skip my workout. And I didn't. Had one of my best workouts ever. Left it all out there. Pure focus. Achieved a triple PR that day (Flat Bench Press, DB Military Press, Barbell Curls).

Walked out of the gym feeling the world is mine.

The gym is my safe haven. Truly a powerful antidepressant.

[–]anabolic921 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can relate to this.

Hard to explain but it is like everything else stops mattering when I'm training.

The problems are there, but they are not causing pain/depressive thoughts anymore but anger to push a little further.

[–]thunderbeyond11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wholeheartedly agree.

A year ago I was poor and starting out. I couldn't afford to go to the gym so I started BWF. I got gains, but when I'd saved some money I got myself to the gym.

I had never been to a gym to lift before. I didn't know what to expect, and why everyone on the RP subs kept saying to lift.

Starting with just the bar was humbling, but I kept with it. Now I'm a regular, and the muscle definition is clear. I feel strong. I am strong.

I don't talk to others at the gym, but now I get respect from the bigger guys there who have seen me progress. I might lift half of what they can, but I'm there 3x week without fail.

I know I get more respect in the workplace and in social circles than when I was a skinny fucker. Having a physical frame indicates to others that you have self-respect and are disciplined. Those qualities alone will separate you from 70% of your peers.

[–]BaelorsBalls5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what I like to see on TRP

[–]manwithoutwire39 points40 points  (21 children) | Copy

Hmm. Lifting is great and all, I'm 5'8" 200 lbs of solid muscle. I think we're starting to transcend above "just lift bro". You gotta stretch, meditate, do yoga and do MMA in addition to lifting. No one cares about some solid bodybuilder/ powerlifter / strongman /crossfitter anymore you got to have a solid foundation in all areas of the fitness spectrum.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

Pairing with martial arts is great (I practice judo). Pairing with cardio is great...I run 2.5 miles 3x's, small investment with great return. Yeah, I totally agree about the fitness spectrum....lifting and running are the base, though.

And esp. at my, the foam roller is a freaking godsend.

[–]GutShot9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I've heard references to foam rollers a few times. What are they and what are they used for?

[–]ghiimly1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You roll your tense muscles on them to loosen them up. If your lower back is sore/overly cramped from deadlifting way to much, roll it laying down on top of it with the foam roller on your lower back and go back and forth. Usually hurts like a bitch if you over work muscle groups and don't stretch often. But if you properly do your warm ups and stretches you'd be less likely to use them. Of course, you can also use it even if they aren't tensed just to release some of the tension on them/lactic acid build up after a workout, etc.

[–]Trowawayantifap285 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thats is like saying to a homeless guy with no education that he has to become astrophysicist in 3 month. you have to start slow and with something. Hitting the gym is an easy first step.

[–]quasimoto_116 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

Lol no cares about mma and yoga . Just have a good body . No one cares how you got it.

[–]That_Deaf_Guy6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not true, MMA and yoga will also help in other areas of life. Plenty of posts on this sub about how it can help, look into it.

[–]Throwaway-2424241 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Martial arts give you a sort of self-confidence that even extensive lifting can't really replicate. Other men will also give you respect if they know you're able to fight, similar to the respect you get from being jacked. Also if you're going to do cardio either way, might as well use the time in a worthwhile fashion.

[–]zombzombi0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You sure care a lot about earn mens respect.

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Being respected isn't a self evidently good thing?

[–]zombzombi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just seems like everyone here is completely obsessed with what other men think more than what they think of themselves. It comes across as kind of pathetic. I wonder what all of these wannabe alphas will do in old age when they can't rely on gym binging for respect.

[–]Sidoney-5 points-4 points  (4 children) | Copy

You'll care when you can't defend yourself

[–]Stiltzkinn9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Where do you live if you need to defend yourself with MMA?

[–]Throwaway-2424241 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a small but non-zero chance that your average reader of this sub, 20-something male prone to going out to places where men generally pick up women, is going to face a physical confrontation with another guy through no fault of their own.

Being able to fight could mean the difference between getting your shit broken vs quickly ending things and moving on.

[–]Heizenbrg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How are you 58 200 and I'm 5'7' 140? Are you fucking massive

[–]anabolic921 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

5'10 around 190 lbs pretty lean.

Agreed, there is a moment where you have to do more than lifting. I personally added:

  • MMA: Guys with less muscle and even maybe fatter than me have better resistance in the ring. Most of it because carrying too much muscle can be bad at fights if you don't know how to fight.

  • Sauna: I cannot express how I feel after Sauna+cold shower, during the Sauna I try to meditate somehow, and after the cold shower I just lay. I leave the gym with a sensation of relax/peace I cannot express.

Stretching is something I'm missing, sometimes I struggle to fucking fasten the car's belt if it's tiny and flexibility when kicking on MMA.

[–]_nein_danke0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm the same with the sauna man. Absolutely love it. I combine this with swimming and feel great. Don't lift yet though. Not sure where to start.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Strong lifts or starting strength. Don’t dwell on the decision too long. It doesn’t matter much in the long run, just get lifting.

[–]Collegia_Titanica15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the post, needed this.

[–]officerkondo16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting weights is a good idea? Who knew?

[–]All_is_Dust 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Can a fupa wielding neckbeard achieve much by lifting? More specifically, do I need to need the fat and bulk up or can I convert what I have to something better?

[–]Final_Pantasy6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lift and eat at a caloric deficit. Use a calorie calculator to figure out how much you burn on a daily basis and subtract 500 calories. Adjust calories lower if you aren't losing atleast 1 lb a week after a month (You will lose a lot your first month). Track calorie intake to a T. Try to get 160+ grams of protein a day at minimum.

[–]valentinoroscoe9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start lifting and stop eating and get ready for your life to change.

[–]All_is_Dust 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I miss typed my question. What I mean is as an obese man, do I need to lose weight first and then move into lifting? Or a combination of the two? Or just go straight into it? I've just discovered a 24hr weight lifting gym 5 minutes from my house.

Thanks for the responses men.

[–]valentinoroscoe5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

We know what you asked. Diet and lift. Start tomorrow.

[–]zuixihuan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would you feel comfortable walking shirtless down Main Street tomorrow?

This is seriously underrated. I have ripped my shirt off just after a workout and walked around Manhattan in NYC, Shibuya crossing in Tokyo, Hongdae in Seoul, and plenty more crowded places.

It's the best feeling to have the sun on your back, while packs of girls check you out and giggle like schoolgirls to each other when they see your muscles and audacity.

[–]red_matrix2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Iron and The Soul is required reading, and should be read monthly. Damn, that should be on the side bar.

[–]boxxybebe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Iron Church would be such a dope gym name

[–]nananaNate810 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

I literally can't function if I don't get a lift in, rest days are torture but necessary. Plus you get manly callused hands, I had betas complain when shaking my hand that's it's so rough but women love it. The gym is so addicting I even got certified as a personal trainer so I can spend more time in the place I love and help stuggling adults gain confidence in their bodies.

[–]zuixihuan10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

The calluses are the best. You can give women a massage and back scratches at the same time.

[–]kimokos 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You could do PPL and on the 7th day do core workouts.

[–]nananaNate81 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I currently do pull push legs rest because I deadlift for pull and back squat for leg day. I think the rest day is mandatory so I can go heavy more often

[–]tonikroosofficial2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, on Thursday I won't renew my swimming membership. I paired swimming with MMA but even tho I'm losing fat, I'm also losing a ton of muscle. Gonna keep MMA and pair it with lifting next month and see if my results will get better.

[–]SeratoninRising 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Lifting, augmenting walking/sitting posture and relearning verbal/non-verbal language has done wonders for me.

Hot ass fucking women are noticing me now. My SMV has obviously increased. The increase almost feels exponential vs linear.

A few things I still need to work on:

  • Warm and cold approach.
  • Learning how to stop caring about the increased negative attention from other men (insecure alpha strangers + beta strangers, friends and family).
  • Meditation (probabbly ties into the above point).

Tying back into OP's post ... lifting consistently is one of the main pillars of TRP. Start today.

[–]123questions3212 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

For those that lift and have pretty good muscle on them, do you feel pretty alpha in the room and or confident just naturally when around a group of people ?

[–]liberty11276 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I feel like the fucking man no matter who's around. Even guys who are bigger. Everyone can tell how much more confidence you have, its like an aura.

I went to the casino this weekend with my buddy and I wore the tightest shirt I own and I had women looking at me left and right. I got a few numbers and flirted while at the bar and playing roulette. It's a good feeling. I'm 5'11 195lbs roughly and like 12% bf.

[–]hazaraMoghul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am a buff nurse. I get alot of attention and respect from nurses and doctors.

But i also study higher degree. In class with other students i dont feel alpha. Just normal.

[–]ImALoneWolfBaby2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

8 months in, being tall is a pain in the ass but have gone from 158 to 175 and still slowly gaining. Just hate how lonjg it takes to show when you are tall. I am hoping to be 200 by early next year. With that said the health benefits alone are great, the discipline it builds that transfer to other parts of life and it does feel good/lift confidence.

[–]jadenrick92 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve been going to the gym more and more. I don’t go everyday but I go often. My confidence has increased a fuck ton. I feel more comfortable in my body and feel happy, I’m still not attractive or anything but what keeps me determined is that I can eventually get closer to my ideal body image.

[–]seanwilliams352 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. I have battled with self confidence many times, but never after a lifting session.

[–]_nein_danke2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Can I use swimming as a way of doing this? I swim fast and a fair amount too, never slack and am always motivated to go. It's getting me a great physique etc. Just wondered if I am okay to carry on with this rather than actual lifting?

[–]HerefortheTuna1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I just added swimming again and damn it helps. But it’s a supplement to my routine.

[–]_nein_danke0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can push-ups and body weight exercises count for this?

[–]HerefortheTuna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sure but I would at least try the gym for a few months. If you really give it a college try you will kick yourself for not starting to lift sooner (I did)

[–]suitcasecity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a different stimulus for the body. Look at a lifters body and look at a swimmers body, see the difference? Also i can bet that competitive swimmers can outlift the average gym goer too.

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Swimming is good exercise but it is not going to give you the same physique gains as lifting.

[–]_nein_danke0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm a lifting noob. When people say lifting what are the basic things they're talking about?

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Squats, deadlifts, bench press, overhead press, rows, chinups etc.

Plenty of beginner programs out there that throw these, along with minimal assistance, into some sensible, generally two-way split.

[–]redd_reality2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Somedays, the only thing that holds me together is my ballz to the wall, mean as fuck lifting session. All of my anger, dissatisfaction etc is released into the ether and what's left is a calm, controlled, better looking, better feeling version of myself.

Take care of lifting and I'd even venture to say that the rest of your life will seem to 'fall into place' a heck of a lot better and faster. It's geometric growth once you start down the physical fitness path. First is the physical world, which then paves the way to the emotional, spiritual and mental.

[–]happy_withoutem2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm totally convinced of the benefits and virtues of lifting. My problem is I just DON'T LIKE IT.

I still push myself and get my workouts done, but I don't find any of the perks other people mention experiencing, other than liking the way I look in the mirror when I come out of the shower.

I don't feel great after I'm done. I don't find that it takes my mind off anything. I don't find that my insomnia goes away. And I haven't found that my attitude towards it changes as time goes by. I simply don't enjoy it at all no matter how much I do.

What should I do?

[–]Throwaway-2424241 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep lifting. Find a program with relatively low volume and frequency so you can keep your gains and continue improving while giving you time for other pursuits. Have you tried martial arts? That's usually the #2 physical activity advised on TRP.

[–]JcHgvr4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

lifting reduces bone density

I think you got it the wrong way around

[–]U-943 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have a lifelong chronic addiction to heavy metal, hard rock and similar genres....I need my toxic fix of music/adrenalin while exercising daily.

[–]BatPotato151 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you pick things up aand put them down ?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I lift again... but still waiting for the not hating it to kick in

[–]ManSoldWorld1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Two twin girls - one is average, the other looks toned and fit. Otherwise identical. Who do you pick?

Both...all jokes aside, good post.

The gym is very much a mental thing as it is a physical one. It's a question if you want to better than you are now, and if you want to be better than what you were yesterday, etc.

[–]green_tea_bag1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

He's right. Used to lift and wasn't ever really 'big' but definitely ripped and lean. Made a difference for sure. Women showed up without much effort. Dropped off later, after one of those turned out bpd, and dragged me away from my routine. Am skinny again. I see the difference in my life absolutely. Starting up again, knowing what I can achieve.

One addition to this: if you're issue is that you are under the weight you want to be, you need to eat much more food than you do now. You might need to double or triple your daily calorie intake if you actually expect to gain muscle. Otherwise, by lifting you will get stronger but not necessarily bigger muscle.

[–]room_3031 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

dragged me away from my routine. Am skinny again

Did she drag you away for years?, diet/protein can sustain gains even when not lifting.

[–]green_tea_bag 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

There was a residual effect, so I still wasn't taking care after she was long gone. Let my diet slip too. This could turn into a long rant about 'oneitis,' bpd, and the awful consequences that combination can have on a soul. I'll save that for another time. I will say to anyone newly discovering TRP ideas, and still evaluating their validity: as someone who got by on his looks most of his life, unaware of the truths being discussed here; it's all true, boys.

[–]meaningintragedy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree that lifting is awesome because of so many reasons (170kg/105kg/190kg here), but its effect on women is so overrated. Of course they like to squeeze your triceps and prefer big guys, but it's 5% top of game as far as my experience goes.

[–]drmzboii1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for a kick in the ass today!

[–]perkam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stop inspiring me.

I know I'm just going to let myself down again.

[–]WhiteGhosts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

20 year old me thought fitness wasn't needed

23 year old me realizes the stupidity of that thought and has started to fitness. Currently on my first cut :/

[–]1Kurush5591 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same goes for a martial art.

To the guys that don't lift/fight - lift and do a martial art for ONE YEAR and you won't even have to THINK about 'being an alpha.' Those activities will do it for you.

[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was funny. Back in the day when the military offered me SSRIs for anxiety, they did... Ok. Was like I could still feel it, the way you could hear someone yelling in another room with the door closed.

When I hit the iron (and it was to the point where I was doing failure ever set, don't do this) it went away.

I almost miss it, a great incentive to hit the gym

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been lifting and gaining muscle, but I don't feel confident and sexually virile. I feel sexually broken from years of porn and fetishes. No matter how much I lift I still feel like a boy, not a man. Never gonna stop lifting, but it's not the answer to all your problems. You need discipline in all areas of life. I'm not even sure I want to 'pound' women, I feel more sexually submissive than I want to. I really have to kick porn and get out more... Fuck

[–]ajbrooks1922 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I love lifting because i love walking into a room and instantly being the alpha" if you genuinely believe this is true then you need to go back to practising the blade m'lord

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Eating healthy is by far the most important part of working out. Cut out processed sugar too.

Lifting won't do shit if you're still eating fast food 5 days a week.

[–]GutShot9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Lifting will do a lot even if you you drink every night and eat garbage. You'll just never get a low body fat % and your gains won't be as efficient.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, so you'll be another big guy at the gym with no muscle definition. Why do something half-ass?

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh CT fletcher ate numerous Big Macs a day for years and got yuge

[–]Adeus_Ayrton1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

swolestation eh ? I guess you learn something new everyday :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

DYEL? I used to shake my head at the "meatheads" that had this as their mantra. DYEL, bro? I thought it was stupid and unnecessary. Some of you do, too.

I certainly did....but now I hear DYEL and hear "Do you do the bare minimum of what it takes to be a man?" (manual laborers mostly excluded, some dudes leave it out there on the job)

Sitting here enjoying my pump, about to get back to work having lifted.

This past weekend, I was dancing in the streets with this hot London chick, every bit of 6'2". I'm about 5'8". After half an hour, I stared right at her tits, made mad eye contact, and said "You're tall, but an A cup at best." She blushed and yammered....

I didn't close, but do I even lift? You bet your ass I do. I'd never have gotten away with that in my former 44 years on this planet. Not once.

[–]Thunderfin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Unfortunately I had to take a break due to a L5/S1 injury. I also wasn't seeing really any visual gains.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I've been lifting for a few months now but it's pretty hard to find a program that actually does make you more attractive. Most of the simple barbell programs focus on strength but not much info on how to improve your shoulder to waste ratio and fill yourself in. I've noticed myself getting stronger but I'm more feminine shaped now because mostly my ass and thighs have grown and my waste is getting wider than my shoulders.

[–]suitcasecity2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most beginner programs are barbell because thats the right way to build a lifting base. Your body has to gain a relatively minimal amount of strength before you can focus on hypertrophy without risking damage

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Are you doing your big 4 upper body movements as well as lower body?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm doing squat, bench, deadlift, barbell rows, and overhead press. Do those cover the big 4 upper body?

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Needs a vertical pull i.e. Chinups

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What if gain g muscle goes against your mission? Say you wanted to be a marathon runner, looking like Arnie isn't going to help. You can be toned and athletic but is that still the same?

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Obviously the exercise requirements of someone wanting to pursue high level athletic competition will vary from the requirements of your average dude who just wants to generally improve themselves, but there is virtually no sport where the top competitors aren't advised to do some form of resistance training. Even pro golfers are hitting the iron hard nowadays.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You can train and still be lean and strong but it seems like everything is advising that you train to get big. I'm trying to work out if training is the most important thing or being big is the most important thing.

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you don't have any specific goals, getting bigger is going to make your life better.

Again, someone who is seriously into marathon running has their own specific goals.

[–]Spurs_Up0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I grew up playing sports but I never lifted weights. Now I'm in my mid twenties and I'd like to go to the gym but I don't really know how to lift i.e. Gym etiquette, proper technique, good workout plan etc.

I'm terrified of going to the gym and looking like an idiot in front of everyone

[–]architectofself1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did not play sports and never lifted weights. I'm going to be 40 in less than a month and was also apprehensive for the same reasons. The first 3 times I planned to go with a friend fell through because he bailed.

I realized I was being a bitch and went by myself anyway. Each trip I made a point of introducing myself to one guy that appeared to know his shit and ask for advice on anything. When I did my first ever set of deadlifts it appeared as though a guy was pointing out my terrible form to his friend. So I went up and asked him to tell me what I was doing wrong.

The next day during my last set on the bench, I worked to failure but didn't have a spotter. I rolled the bar off myself and when the guy next to me noticed, he said call for a spotter next time. We chatted a bit and he offered some friendly advice.

I do IT consulting on the side, and one of my clients is a physical therapist I used to see for a pinched nerve. When I showed up to set up their computers I was greeted by the same guy that I met following my bench fail. He's an olympic weightlifter, physical therapist, and a personal trainer. He's now my personal trainer until he leaves town in a few weeks.

So in closing; just fucking go already.

[–]Cautionbadex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can never get form right, but my preferred form of exercise is the bike, easiest thing to do, nice to take in scenery, lost a shit ton of weight quickly with just 2.5 hours a day for 30 miles or so. Miss doing that distance and time now in a huge city though, bust still keep biking.

[–]2dfx0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And how about those of us who can't lift currently for medical reasons?

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Consult with a good physio who specialises in treating athletes.

[–]LukesLikeIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just make sure you lift with good form and not waste years of hard work.

[–]EdmondDaunts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You forgot the post deadlift shits.

[–]rejjiesnortssnow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can anyone recommend any good workouts to start off? Preferably using dumbbells, as I have some in my house.

[–]Shaman66240 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Thing is Im 5'10 that's below average for men in my country and my wrists are about the width of a bottle of beer, my genetical ceiling is quite low . I still love lifting but I know I'll still not be the biggest guy in the room often.

[–]S-Blaze0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wake up bro, even a buffed 5'5 manlet is impressive and deserve respect

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

With that attitude, you have def hit your genetic ceiling.

[–]auosie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lift for yourself and set goals, if I haven’t started lifting 4 years ago to relieve myself or stress and other things I don’t know where I would be today. It won’t be easy at first all of you can do it. Fuck others opinions at the gym go out there get it done and lift some iron hole everyone has a great day!

[–]Snowbattt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've been in a happy relationship for over a year now.

But I still lift. I still rock climb and I still do martial arts. You could say I do the latter two purely because I enjoy them which is true, but lifting is extremely important to me even though I find it boring because it just gives me so much confidence to know I'm no longer that skinny, toothpick-armed, weakling little fuck I used to be as a teenager but that I'm a tall, muscular guy now. In no way bodybuilder-type, but enough muscle to have people notice it and to not hate the image in the fucking mirror any more.

A year or two ago, I ran into one of my former bullies. Back then, that fucker had a "normal" body and I was, as I said, a fucking skeleton with some skin on it. He bullied the fuck out of me back in the days calling me a weakling and a fucking Holocaust survivor, pushing me around and shit. Nothing I could do back as a weak kid. Today this guy has an average body at best. Not really fat or skinny, but not really in shape either. When he saw me, I could see he recognized me and he was fucking shocked that I was now a muscular looking motherfucker that could demolish his fucking face right there. I could see the shock in his eyes and he just awkwardly said hi. It felt so good, the look on this cunt's face.

That's all that counts when it comes to lifting: feel good in your own skin. Not just to attract the ladies, but just because it just makes you feel good overall.

[–]EscortSportage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Literally walked down main street yesterday after leaving the gym shirtless. (what it was nice out, working on this tan)

[–]duesenberg10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i deadlit 740lb and have a better chance at 900 than getting laid without paying escorts

[–]honestopinionpuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Real question where do I even start ?

[–]mozofila0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any tips for lifting with hemorrhoids? I am a beginner lifter and started fullbody including squats and deadlifts but because I have hems I can't put much pressure on the lower area. What would you suggest? Can I do compounds even if I am a beginner? I have a weak upper and relatively well delevoped feet muscles.

[–]amekooky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

all truth.. if you take a short break from dating around, elevate you smv and start attracting different types.. do not forgot the routine that got you there. Im down from 240 to 178 right now doing nothing but dieting and lifting 5-6 days a week.

5, 6 days a week I WILL make time to go lift for at minimum an hour even if theres a plate on deck ready to hang out that night or in my case yesterday I felt like taking the day off from lifting but manned the fuck up showed up anyways. by the end of the lifting session I felt great.

[–]S-Blaze0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

''I love the physical presence of usually being the biggest baddest motherfucker in the room. Instant alpha status without saying a word.''

[–]Rss1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

MB creator of Fuckarounditis is pretty Red Pill himself, anyways this is fking good read !

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting is a game changer yes, but why don’t we see an emphasis on cardio and or sports in this sub reddit? It’s summer, it’s hot, and this time of year you will barely see me indoors at the gym. You’ll catch me playing basketball, swimming, or cycling with my boys around the city to drop my body fat and look lean. I personally think lifting+cardio= an asthetic physique. I always include cardio after I work out and am generally happy with the results.

[–]IndividualEvent1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP you’re mistaken. It’s all about the face. Chad doesn’t need muscles if he has a chiseled jawline and a hot face. Seen fat bastards with hotties all because they got “that face” too. I’m a butthisface and I can tell you that Face>Muscles every day of the week.

[–]ActualyIzDolan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post gave me some idea of why it’s so mentally taxing to get myself out there and life.

I was a former defensive end in high school. I’m 6’1, 290 lbs (approx 25-30% bf) and I’ve always walked into a room with a certain amount of respect not available to shorter or physically weaker guys.

The point of lifting for me shouldn’t be to get bigger, but to increase my testosterone and clear my mind. Maybe even lose a little weight.

Thanks for the insight, it’s appreciated.

[–]DeathByToilet0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I want to. I really do but here are a few issues I personally have. Hopefully I can get the push I need.

I'm generally quite a quiet/shy dude who overthinks every little detail. My problems with going to gym :

  1. I have no idea what I'm doing. Can I just stroll in and ask the receptionist if I could get a trainer To Help me with everything.

  2. The trainers can help with diet? I mean can I just ask to have a set of exercises made to fit me that I can religiously follow knowing they work for me and knowing what things to eat.

  3. If I'm new do people tend to pay more attention if they see some average guy strolling in?

I generally do things alone but going to the gym for some reason I just always chicken out. Bodybuilding and fitness is a big world and I have no direction.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody gives a shit about you at the gym.

If anything you'll get some "head nods" simply for being there.

You care what Meathead Mike is benching? Neither does he care wtf you are doing.

If you're new, focus on basics. There are thousands of youtube vids on how to squat, deadlift. bench, and overhead press.

Start slow, focus on form.

Read about spotlight effect and how nobody really even pays you any attention.

[–]donkey_democrat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The staff might help, but it isn't really necessary. Nobody in the gym will care or notice you unless you drop a weight on your head or something.

Just think of all the muscle groups and look up a few exercises for each. You'll learn a lot about form and will feel more comfortable adding on exercises just by being in the gym frequently.

If you are unsure how to do an exercise, just google it. All the basics are easy to learn, it won't be trouble for you. Make sure you just focus on form and lifting slowly. A lot of people like heave and jerk the weight around, using lots of other muscles in the process.

For nutrition, just make sure you are eating clean sources of proteins and carbs and veggies. Like just make chicken, then add microwave rice, and microwave frozen mixed veggies and that is one solid plate of food. Maybe try V8 fusion drinks for a decent nutrition in the absence of solid food.

As far as my experience with the gym goes, it is easier to just start sooner than later and build upon your knowledge then try and learn everything before even going.

[–]naIamgood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read starting strength book by mark rippletoe also plenty of good guys on YouTube like Elliot hulse.

[–]realitycompl3x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I remember the mantra DISREGARD WOMEN ACQUIRE AETHESTICS seems a lot of people have forgot that one.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes!!! I'm 53 and can attest that my life has gotten much better since I started lifting again.

[–]Mazi2590 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great stuff.

The iron church.

I loved this, especially since my gym is in the chapel of a former monestary. :-)

[–]BeeSwattter 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

My ex-roomate was a homo and would watch a lot of gay porn. This post sounds a lot like that gay porn.

[–]Tiberiusaurus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get it and agree.

However I don’t go to The Red Pill for workout tips.

This sub should be so much more than “lift”.

That should be a part of it sure but lately it seems like 70% of it.

[–]room_303-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

No need for weights and deadlifts though, will fuck your tendons and ligaments in later life.

[–]Throwaway-2424242 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol no. This is literally the opposite of how to stay strong and function into later life.

[–]room_303-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Suppose everyone should just take roids till they are 100.
Body-weight exercise is all you need to be strong without over stressing cartilage and ligaments for your mid to later life.

[–]Throwaway-2424241 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Suppose everyone should just take roids till they are 100.

TRT is actually a great idea for older guys.

Body-weight exercise is all you need to be strong without over stressing cartilage and ligaments for your mid to later life.

Can you build and retain function with bodyweight exercise? Yes.

Do weights offer an easier and more linear progression of strength gains for many/most movements? Yes.

Is there anything magical about resistance from external to your body that will result in "over stressing cartilage and ligaments for your mid to later life"? No.

[–]Secret_Structure-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Running and calisthenics has made me fitter, stronger, and helped me lose more weight than lifting ever did.

Still an incel but at least I'm fit.

[–]Throwaway-2424242 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you weren't lifting properly.

[–]averis1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree wholeheartedly but you're kind of beating a dead horse here.. this does absolutely nothing for me.

Lifting weights has always been a fun hobby and escapism for me and it takes no discipline / willpower on my part.

I enjoy all the physical pain (tingling, soreness, throbbing pain.. whatever) that comes with it.

The real question is how much can you enhance your looks realistically..?

We're born with a certain set of genetics and a body frame and proportion.

Big head, narrow shoulder? You won't look that great.

Tall frame but a long-ass torso & T-rex arms? That can be a challenge.

Like.. I'm built like a squatter, don't have big shoulders and developing big delts may never happen.

Deltoids are notorious for its difficulty growing and my frame just ain't big enough.

Some avg Joe like me will need some serious amount of lean mass and then cutting to actually obtain a semi-chiseled look.

So.. I can't look at it like "my pilgrimage", "my iron church." It's just my form of escapism.

It's a lifestyle I'll forever embrace but.. INCREASING your ATTRACTIVENESS through it like you suggested (After newbie gains) may not amount to much.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lifting is good. But ultimately i believe some sort of martial arts skill trumps that any day. A good kick boxer or ultimate fighter would kick the living shit out of the random dude with muscles....or pretty much anybody.

[–]nester790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The point isn’t the practicality of lifting. The point is it makes you healthier than not lifting at all and makes you more attractive.

Who cares if you can beat up a bunch of dudes but you’re unattractive? It’s not that I disagree with you - being able to fight is key, but that wasn’t the point of this guy’s post.

[–]mistagaymer-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

bro I do MMA with lifting bro Im huge now 2 weeks into training and bro fools are catchin deez hands bro

[–]anabolic92-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Am I the only one person in TRP that hasn’t seen gotten any benefit on lifting?

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