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She Said, "We're Not Going To Have Sex," Three Times. You Won't Believe What Happened Next.

by Socialinception on /r/TheRedPill
25 June 2018 10:14 PM UTC

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There were hundreds of beautiful women in the Vegas Nightclub, Omnia. I scanned the balcony for potential prospects. I approached an attractive blonde girl in a sun dress standing next to her friends and said, “You don’t really look like you belong here.”

She replied, “What do you mean?”

“Well, you don’t look like a party girl. You’re dressed too classy for a Vegas Nightclub.” I continued, “But that’s a good thing. I’m not a party girl, either, so we might just get along.”

She laughed, told me her name was Carly, and started asking me questions about what I do, who I’m with etc. (always a good sign).

As we continued talking, Carly told me she was a published poet and the valedictorian at her high-school (when a girl tries to impress you, it usually means she likes you).

I said, “Who would have thought we’d end up talking about poetry in a nightclub? This has turned out to be interesting.” She agreed, and I continued, “Let’s head to the dance floor for a minute.” I took her hand and brought her to dance with me.

After dancing for about ten minutes, we returned to the balcony and I asked Carly what she was doing later that night. She replied, “Not sure, what about you?” (When a girl says this, it means she wants to hang out with you later.)

After a few more minutes of chatting, I said, “Hey, it’s too loud here, I want to be able to have a real conversation with you. Let’s go back to my hotel and have a drink.” (Credit goes to Russel Brand for this line.)

She replied, “Sure, that sounds like fun. But, I want you to know, we’re not having sex.”

I didn’t acknowledge her comment (because to do so would make it seem like it affected me). I simply said, “Ok, let’s go.”

As we waited for an Uber outside of the club, she said, again, “We’re not having sex tonight.”

I said, “Okay.” and then return the conversation to the previous topic.

We got out of the Uber by my hotel. As we walked towards my room, she said, “We’re not having sex tonight.” I reassured her by saying, “I know,” and we walked into my room.

As I filled my shot glass with Jameson, I said, “You know, I generally don’t like meeting women at clubs because although there’s plenty of beautiful girls there, almost none of them are smart enough to really intrigue me.” “She said I totally agree, I’m actually a sapiophile” (Every girl who knows what the word sapiophile means thinks she is one.)

I continued, “Yeah, so I’m really glad I met you, you’re an exception to the rule.”

I paused to give her a chance to make googly eyes at me. Then, I said, “Yeah, you’re the total opposite of most club girls. Very smart. Not the most attractive, but you know, it’s inner-beauty that matters.”

For a moment she looked dejected, then she said, “Screw you, do you want to get slapped?”

I gave her a sarcastic grin before saying, “I’m just kidding, obviously. You’re not just smart, you’re beautiful too. Stunning. You know that, don’t you?”

Then, I leaned in to kiss her. The kiss quickly escalated into making out, and within a few minutes, she exclaimed, “Are you going to fuck me already, or what?”

After saying, “We’re not going to have sex.” three times, she asks whether I’m going fuck her already. Part of me wanted to give her a lecture about boundaries and honest communication, but a bigger part of me (wink, wink), wanted to fuck her brains out. So, I picked her up from the couch, walked her into my bedroom, and threw her on the bed. What happened next, you can probably imagine.

Key Takeaways:


We’re Not Going to Have Sex


Oftentimes, when a woman says, “We’re not going to have sex,” she’s only saying it because she’s been considering having sex with you. The emotional part of her brain wants a good plowing, but the logical part of her brain is telling her that she shouldn’t have sex with a guy she just met. She verbalizes that she’s not going to sleep with you to relieve herself of cognitive dissonance.

But she wants to fuck you. If she becomes sufficiently aroused (I used all the strategies in this article to arouse her: https://redpilltheory.com/2018/02/27/arouse-girl-youre-even-bedroom/) , her silly logical reason to not have sex with you will fly out the window as quickly as her panties drop to the floor.

On the surface, having a girl tell you, “We’re not going to have sex,” is one of the worst things that she could say (unless you’re a celibate monk, in which case you should probably stop reading this), but in actuality, it’s one of the best things she could say.

Create Sexual Tension with Push-Pull

A pull is anything that makes a girl feel validated (I.E. complimenting her, giving her your attention, or buying her a drink).

A push is anything that makes a girl feel invalidated (I.E. making fun of her, taking away your attention, or refusing a request she makes).

Pulls are important because they show a girl that you like her and want to spend more time with her. But too much pull without any push makes a girl feel like you’re putting her on a pedestal to get something from her. If you regularly compliment a girl and agree with everything she says, she’s going to think you’re spineless. And depending on her personality type, she may even take advantage of you (I.E. letting you buy her things even though she has no interest in sleeping with you).

At the same time, if you constantly make fun of a girl, interrupt her, and are generally dismissive of her, she won’t feel that you see her as anything more than a sex object, and that will make her distrust you.

Your interactions with women should have a good mixture of push and pull. You compliment her, but you also tease her. You show interest in what she says, but you’re willing to disagree with her.

The combination of push and pull creates a dynamic where she enjoys being around you, but she’s not completely sure whether you’re interested in her. This doubt creates sexual tension.

With Carly, I created a strong pull when I told her she was much more intelligent than most women who go to clubs. I turned the pull into a push by telling her, “You’re very smart. Not the most attractive, but you know, it’s inner-beauty that matters.” This riled her up because it took away the validation of the previous compliment.

Then, I flipped it again by telling her she really was beautiful. That’s the basic formula for creating sexual tension. A pull makes a girl feel good, but it also gives away your power in the sense that it lets her know she could “get” you. A push replaces that good feeling with doubt and makes her want to get the good feeling you gave her earlier, back.

I know this sounds manipulative when it’s explained so bluntly, but this is the basic dynamic underlying all good flirting: whether or not you’re aware of it. Push pull is what “naturals” (guys who are good with women without needing to learn about it online) do instinctually.

Most guys who aren’t good with women either pull too much (this is the stereotypical nice guy who bends over backwards for a girl he barely knows),or push too much. But a good interaction needs both push and pull, that’s what makes a woman want to start actively pursuing you, instead of just putting up with your advances. An easy way to make sure not to do too much pull is to adhere by commandment v (https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/), only give her 2/3 of what she gives you - let her do most of the investing in the interaction.

Capitalize on Good Logistics

When a girl goes out to a Vegas nightclub with a group of two other female friends, there’s a very good chance she’s out to flirt with guys. If you ask a girl to dance and she doesn’t object by saying something like, “Okay, but I have to tell my friends,” that’s another good sign.

The less attached a girl is to her group of friends, the more likely it is she’s open to going home with a guy that night. When a group of girls are clingy, it often means they plan on going home with each other, not with guys. A great way to find out if a girl is open to the possibility to going home with you is to ask, “What are you doing later tonight?” If she says she isn’t doing anything or asks what you’re doing, it probably means she’s down to go home with you.

When a girl’s logistics are good, capitalize on them – it definitely makes things easier. However, if a girl has bad logistics, you can still make something happen if she really likes you. Logistics are good to be aware of, but bad logistics can usually be overcome.


Sometimes when a girl says, “We’re not going to have sex,” what she really means is, “I want to have sex with you, but I don’t want to feel like I’m easy to get into bed.” When it comes to dating, what a woman says, and what she means, are often two very different things.

It can be frustrating when a woman sends mixed signals, but that’s the whole point! If a girl tells you, “We’re not having sex,” and you get visibly upset and reactive, that tells the girl that you’re not very sure of yourself and that you’re not in control of your emotions – which means you’re probably not a guy she should be having sex with. If you understand why women test men, those tests will actually be reassuring to you. When a girl says, “We’re not going to have sex tonight,” you’ll know that in an hour she’ll be saying, “Are you going to fuck me already, or what?”

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Title She Said, "We're Not Going To Have Sex," Three Times. You Won't Believe What Happened Next.
Author Socialinception
Upvotes 1041
Comments 166
Date 25 June 2018 10:14 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/51059
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8tup0i/she_said_were_not_going_to_have_sex_three_times/
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138 upvotesopper-hombre11 year ago

"were not fucking tonight"

*laughing smile, "haha, OK"

81 upvotesinfamous32381 year ago

Classic ASD. This happens more times than you can imagine.

I had a similar experience at that exact nightclub the one time I went. Friends birthday, had one of the outside tables on the roof-deck, pulled a girl who kept saying she had a bf so “wouldn’t do anything” over and over, while her friends were there. Once we were back in the hotel room the script flipped and she couldn’t take her clothes off fast enough. Vegas.

404 upvotesTRPKiddo1 year ago

I’m scared the wrong person will read this and they’ll take away the wrong message and they’ll end up with a rape charge.

This shit is the truth, though. One of my plates started off telling me that she’s a faithful girlfriend and that we’re not fucking.

360 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Saying, "we're not going to have sex," during a conversation is very different from saying, "No," while you're making a physical advance. If someone can't tell the difference, something is wrong with them.

165 upvotesTRPKiddo1 year ago

You’d be surprised, man. It’s a wild world.

42 upvoteswhite_girl_lover1 year ago

Lmao how many charges have u gotten?

1 upvotesWolfofAnarchy1 year ago

22 more years and I'm free

17 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Hey at least u have web access in prison. That's pretty dope.

1 upvotesmenial_optimist1 year ago

What would be your response if instead of her saying "We're not having sex tonight" it was "But I'm married."

10 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

This happened to me recently (she was engaged). I knew she was into me because she came back to my place to drink without any of her friends - but she started talking about the relationship and second-guessing herself. I basically said that obviously a part of her isn't sure about her relationship and wants to meet other guys, and if she doesn't hook up with me, that desire of hers won't just go away. But if she does hook up with me, she'll have scratched the itch and she'll know whether she really wants to be monogomous.

I also got her to give me verbal consent just to be safe.

5 upvotesttt9111 year ago

Imo it's not worth it. Even if the sex is godlike, there are other single girls that you can have it with. Might me ok if she has a boyfriend but not a husband.

57 upvotesdontforgetthispw1 year ago

Met a girl at a meeting and went out to the parking lot. She says "nice ferrari" (I own a porsche) I asked her to follow me home, and she did. She then proceeds to get super sexual, all the while saying she has a steady boyfriend and is not going to have sex with me. She gave me one of the best blowjobs I've ever had, and said "see, we didn't have sex." I then knew that there were all kinds of options with this girl and it lasted about 2 weeks. I was ok with that. Some girls even classify sex differently, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

3 upvotesgeo_gan1 year ago

one of the best blowjobs I've ever had, and said "see, we didn't have sex."

Is this an example of the female hamster?

106 upvotesAuvergnat1 year ago

Women have always given "fake no's". As in she says "no", but she doesn't really mean "no". She actually means a combination of "I'm not sure yet, keep trying to convince me" or "not quite in the mood yet" or "I don't want you to think that this is what I am thinking about". This is standard courtship practice as it allows her to:

  1. filter the attractive confident men that she wants to fuck from the masses of unconfident men, AND

  2. it soothes her anxiety of the terrible thought that the elected guy, her friends, and herself might see her as "too easy" (that's the mark of very low value women, that result in being dumped by men, and shamed by women).

The attitude of most women of not approaching men, but letting them do the work serves the exact same purpose. Shit tests too. The "I don't usually do this" and other "I'm not that kind of girl" expressions too.

Women know this. It's always been like that. And it's always been fine because men are usually able to see the difference between a "fake no" and a real no.

  • If he can't tell, if she gives a fake no and the guy interprets it as a real one, then she successfully filtered out the loser.
  • If she gives a real no, and the guy interprets it as a fake no, then a harder overt no will make it clearer. And if he persists, she simply escalate it: Stop talking to him, saying it loud enough for people around to hear, giving him a resolved and angry look on her face, throwing her drink at him, calling on other men for help getting rid of him. Unless the guy is socially retarded, or intent to have sex with her against her will (the standard definition of "rape"), he will eventually bend.

Easy process.

Now enters the new, modern definition of rape as "sex I wanted and had but was either (1) not 100% enthusiastically into it, or (2) fully into it but not sober at the time, or (3) fully into it then but kinda regret it now, or (4) fully into it then and still now but the information could seriously damage my reputation or current relationship". That new definition is essentially simply a means for women to sooth their potential regrets, gain social brownie points, and damage-control their reputations. That's all it is. Just another useful social convention for women. Before that, women who regret sex would just accept their responsibility, feel shameful, promise to themselves they won't do it again, keep the info under wraps, and move on. There are still plenty of women out there who to exactly that.

This useful social convention is completely unrelated to the courtship process of course, except that "fake no's" now provide the perfect "proof" to enforce it.

This poses a problem: as an attractive and confident man who is not socially retarded or a rapist, you can tell a fake no when you see it, but how sure are you that this woman will not weaponize this later on? She may look genuinely nice and not "the kind of person who would do that" and you may make it very enjoyable to her and leave her happier than you met her, but maybe her BFF is a die-hard feminist? or maybe she actually has a boyfriend who she wants to stay with?

So overall as a man in 2018, you're probably better off quitting at the first "soft no" you hear. Sure she'll be disappointed, and she'll put you in the category of losers who can't tell a fake no from a real no, and you'll lose an opportunity for sex, but it's likely the price for safety for men in 2018 in the U.S. Perhaps when you hear that first "soft no" and immediately realizing the courtship is off, and before leaving her tell her exactly this in a serious face:

"I know you don't really mean this, but I cannot risk to see this sentence being held as proof in any potential false rape accusation later, so I'll leave you here. Too bad, as we were having fun and you seem like a good girl. Good night"

We probably won't get rid of the new definition for rape, but maybe just maybe girls will stop using this super-classic line over time, preferring other conventional ASD expressions instead such as "I have a boyfriend".

22 upvoteswomans_algorithm1 year ago

Even if she never said no, after sex, she can still lie and people/police will believe her.

-8 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Whatever. Just fuck em dude. Dont worry so much about it. You're making it way more complicated than it needs to be. Its very simple, just stick your dick in there, fuck her hard and thoroughly, and cum inside if you want to.

34 upvotesLuckyluke231 year ago

so as someone who is here trying to learn and go from 0 sex to 1 sex. i should now stick at the 0 sex?

what a confusing time we are in man

10 upvotesBurnoutRS1 year ago

an escort service can take the fear of a rape charge off your mind and give you a softer environment to develop sexual confidence.

If youre afraid of appearing too beta and accruing a rape accusation, consider how that fear can manifest a self fulfilling prophecy "oh god am I doing ok? Im not being rapey am I?" he thinks, so in his own head he's unaware that the anxiety is twisting him into an increasingly creepy and awkward person

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Do it like me, hire a hooker.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Never stick with 0 sex. You can do it. Just visualize it and work yourself into a burning hot desire for it and it will happen.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

OR, do it anyway, and cover your ass (don't talk to the cops, record if possible, etc.)

You want that super hard enthusiastic yes, otherwise you're still showing beta behavior even if you end up banging.

10 upvotesZanford1 year ago

Outstanding writeup of these issues.

In OP's case, the things the girl says while they're out in public are not really an issue. At his place, she said " “Are you going to fuck me already, or what?”" and things proceeded from there.

She'd have to flat out lie to accuse him of anything, and if she's going to flat out lie, she'd just make up things she said earlier anyway.

3 upvotesPepethe1stofHisName1 year ago

a laughably complicated way to counter one's own autism

A false accusation can come even without ASD

1 upvotesgeo_gan1 year ago

This stuff should be printed out and dropped war-leaflet-style by aircraft into every school yard in the world...

1 upvotesgreenlittleman1 year ago

Rather than that you could have a audio-recording of the process where she eventually ask (or beg) you to fuck her hard - then your chances of fake rape case would be minimal - she wouldn't go to police as long as she knows you have solid proofs. There are other ways what would make chance for this shit minimal - and it was discussed more than once here on TRP. Some guys here fucked hundreds of women without any sort of legal problems.

3 upvoteswisty1 year ago

"Don't say that, he might get a girl in trouble" has resulted in a society where getting blind drunk and sleeping with another blind drunk person is how a lot of college-aged kids seem to hook up these days. This lack of competence (in men) isn't making women safer, on the contrary it's a part of what feminists claim is a "rape culture" on campus.

2 upvotesZanford1 year ago

Did you notice the part of the FR where she said " “Are you going to fuck me already, or what?" "

1 upvoteshiddenpleasures1231 year ago

She could say nothing and be DTF. Always to go make up a different story to the police later.

You can't prevent rape allegations, but you can protect yourself from the consequences from them.

180 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

If you can read women and aren't autistic, "We're not going to have sex" with a woman who you have interactions which can be interpretted as sexual mean "I am considering having sex with you, balls in your court, I'm not a slut I tried to say no"

217 upvoteswashington_breadstix1 year ago

If you can read women and aren't autistic

Ruling out a large portion of this sub and reddit in general.

17 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

i really wanna say any female who talks to you and isn't related wants to fuck you or is using you, but if she associates with you she's probably down to fuck..

but it'd be misinterpreted by autists, but we're reaching some non autists and that's the important part.

10 upvotesvandaalen1 year ago

I like your flair

3 upvotesTheRedPike1 year ago

We used to have "MommysFavoriteMistake" over on asktrp, but we had to permaban him. They both wore it shamelessly.

6 upvotesTomasoJew1 year ago

Yhea true, they need the smallest reason to not feel like a slut. Even a “We’re not going to have sex tonight” will justify her actions in her head. Because yhea, at the very least she “tried” to stop you, while deep down she’s craving it.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Its retarded, but yeah its how their brains work.

1 upvotesozaku71 year ago

This reminds me of the times when I really wanted to ride my motorcycle to school because it took 30 minutes instead of 1,5 hours by public transport. I just stared at the clock thinking like "I should actually go in 10 minutes to catch the bus". Then "I should leave now" to finally "The bus just left and I'm still here, guess now I have to take the motorcycle to be on time for class".

More like "I'm conflicted, give me reasons to choose for the latter!"

3 upvotesTheDevilsAdvokaat1 year ago

Yep. The reason she mentioned it is because she WANTS you to start thinking about it; but she doesn't want to seem like a slut.

It's almost like a child telling you they bought you an xmas present "but it's not shirt!". Usually, it's whatever they say it isn't.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Women are children confirmed?

25 upvotesredd_reality1 year ago

"but I'm not having sex with you"

That's the perfect chance to unleash "I said a drink, dont count your Chick's before they hatch, young lady."

Like shooting barrel fish. This is because attraction is largely decided the moment your eyes meet hers. Walk around with that confidence and "game" isn't a game, it's just having the balls to be honest to attractive women.

6 upvotesTangoZulu1 year ago

My go to reply is “Don’t make promises you have no intention of keeping, lady.” with a sly smile. It’s a playful way to call them out on the silliness of making such a declaration before the interaction has reached the point of being physical and shows that you’re socially aware of the shit test at play. Works 60% of the time every time.

13 upvotesfriggindoc1 year ago

"Dont worry. I only sleep with 18 year old models." has done wonders for me if the woman in question is older then 25

2 upvotesozaku71 year ago

I have a friend who has said the same sentences to a few guys, for the main purpose of making sure that sex is an option and not a must. If the guy doesn't make a fuss about it and just allows it to happen naturally she was fine with it and ofcourse it happened because the guys played the interaction well. Everytime I had sex with some girl it was never implied that we were going to have sex. I was just going to sleep over and that's that, and all times it ended up in sex because it naturally progressed.

The last thing she wanted is to go with some beta who thinks that they will have 100% sex after she enters his premises, and they are easily weeded out by this shit test because they will throw a fit or get so disappointed, that it's clear that the guy had not a single interest of "having a nice evening" (where sex is a part of if you play it well) and only was interested in getting in, dropping your pants and banging away for a minute. Women just want to have fun.

22 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

This reads like the masturbatory fantasy of a 16 year old boy lmao

9 upvotessef2391 year ago

this is a complete fairy tale

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Because a guy brought a girl home - is that hard for you to believe? If it is, that says more about you then it does about me.

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

No because it sounds like shitty erotica lol, I’m not saying you didn’t fuck. I was waiting for the scene where you play high stakes poker while attempting to infiltrate a world class crime syndicate.

4 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

That happened the next weekend. Stay tuned ;)

44 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Oftentimes, when a woman says, “We’re not going to have sex,” she’s only saying it because she’s been considering having sex with you.

This is true, but you're missing the single most important point here - she said this unprompted to you. That's an obvious indicator she was thinking about it. When you're sitting around with a girl talking about sex related things already at your hotel room and she says it, that's one thing. Entirely prompted means you're 100% golden absent a fuck-up.

2 upvotesMadSparty1 year ago

Entirely unprompted, you mean?

62 upvotesSmallerButton1 year ago

The title sounded sounded incredibly clickbaity

1 upvotesthoughtlow1 year ago

I think that it's a joke because we all know what happend next

11 upvotesscissor_me_timbers001 year ago

yeah that’s the joke dude

94 upvotesNarcissist4561 year ago

So many compliments? Why? You almost came off cringy in my opinion.

“You’re not like other girls.” “You’re so smart.”

Jesus Christ man if you weren’t at the most exclusive/expensive nightclub in Las Vegas (demonstrating social status/earning power) I doubt your cringy compliments would’ve worked.

58 upvotesTrenGod371 year ago

As I agree and this wouldn’t be my approach. Neither would just saying “okay” when she said about not having sex.

There’s more than one way to skin a cat. OPs goal was to have Sex and he had sex. So it doesn’t matter how he got there.

Smart girls like to be told they’re sexy. And sexy girls like to be told there smart. I don’t think OPs showered her in compliments to a point of cringe. It may have been close but if your game is good and frame is good and you’re attractive. You can get away with a lot more than most guys. You don’t have to always be an asshole you’re allowed to give a compliment here and there.

Do whatever works for YOU OP

4 upvotesStore_Front_Door1 year ago

I remember reading a discussion under some post, which ended with a conclusion that when your value is high, you can get away with very beta-ish behavior, if it's taken out of context, like enrolling in long ass text convos with a girl, or showering her with compliments, as long as you do it in confidence from the place of outcome independence. (You don't text her, because you believe she wants to, you text her because you feel like it and if she's not receptive/goes cold after that, you move on like it's nothing, because you've got plenty of options; which goes back to being of high value)

2 upvotesTrenGod371 year ago

I wrote something of the sort and it’s true. Not so much showering of compliments. It will eventually back fire. But you can get away with a lot

38 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Lol - two compliments is cringey in your opinion? You seem to think that a man almost never fucks a girl after saying a couple nice things to her, which is ridiculous. Also, there's a big difference in complimenting a girl you just met and complimenting a girl who's alone in a room with you and you're about to fuck. In the second scenario, a compliments can help pass comfort tests like "We're not going to have sex" because part of her is worried that you just want to have meaningless sex - women want to feel like sex is meaningful. You don't need to use compliments, but there's no reason to have such an averse reaction to then.

33 upvotesvandaalen1 year ago

comfort tests like

What is it with the inflationary use of that bullshit lately?

If you believe in comfort tests at fucking all, it is still not necessary to distinguish them from normal shit tests until you are far into a serious LTR. The very definition of a comfort test forbids using it in conjunction with a club hoe you had an ONS with.

women want to feel like sex is meaningful.

Blue pill horseshit. They want to feel like they are used in all possible manors by you to your satisfaction. All they need is a little bit of plausible deniability in order to justify gulping down your cum as if it was Creme Brulee of Tonka Bean in order to be able to tell themselves and their friends that it was a special moment and "it just happened".

Most don't even need that. The femitard re-programming of telling them that they are entitled to jump on any juicy dick they want to has already worked wonders in our favour.

14 upvotesNarcissist4561 year ago

Thank you Vandaalen, a voice of reason.

-10 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

It depends on the girl, some identify as party girls who are DTF any night. It would be more accurate to say this particular girl was one who I got the sense wanted to feel sex was meaningful because she identified with her intellect a lot and wasn't overtly sexual. But yeah, plausible deniability is what I'm going for really.

Maybe I'm wrong about the distinction between comfort tests, and shittests, idk, in this particular case it didn't matter.

14 upvotesNarcissist4561 year ago

Lol you fucked a vegas party slut. That’s all there is to it. Stop hamstering.

34 upvotesvandaalen1 year ago

You've got a long way in front of you.

Don't listen to the bullshit they talk. Watch what they do. The moment she was sitting in the Uber to your hotel, she was ready. She didn't need meaning, she needed you to make her not feel guilty.

This hoe had no problem getting rammed by some stranger she just met a couple of hours ago. Do you think you are anywhere near the first guy she did that with? Her sapiosexuality bullshit is just another variant of ASD-shield.

Truth is you are just falling for your ego which is telling you all that stuff, making you feel like some sort of bitch whisperer because you know how to deal with this kind of slut or that kind of cunt.

Stop pedestalizing certain women by inventing categories for them. AWALT. Always.

2 upvotesThe_Noble_Lie1 year ago

Thanks for pointing out this chick probably has done this plenty of times before OP. Kinda weird to think about.

I suppose this could even sadly be a buzz kill if youre in the moment and the girl is responding like this.

2 upvotessystemshock8691 year ago

Welcome to the desert of the real

3 upvoteswillowhawk1 year ago

You're close but nit quite correct. Girls want a pseudo meaning to sex.

Just like they want a pseudo reason for sex to give then plausible diniabilt my that they haven't planned out fucking a guy for some sausage and that it just happened and they're not a slut

They like sex to have pseudo meaning so they can keep the facade that they haven't just fucked a guy for some dick but the it meant somthing.l and they're not a slut.

31 upvotesSpencerSauce1 year ago

Yah that sounded cringe to me too. Did everyone clap at the end?

2 upvotesitiswr1tten1 year ago

Hey man, if you started genuinely overcoming your inadquacies on hair loss etc you wouldn't feel the need to make these comments.

It's a journey for everyone and we all have to start somewhere!

10 upvotesNarcissist4561 year ago

What the fuck you talking about? How does me asking questions about a hair loss shampoo have anything to do with this dudes cringe ass compliments?

4 upvotesmoltenw1 year ago

It doesn't. The 2 point contributor just wanted to be a smartass.

1 upvotesLambdal71 year ago

It's called push and pull. Full on redpillers only do push and wonder why they don't fet 9s and 10s.

2 upvotesmax_peenor1 year ago

What is a "full on redpiller"?

1 upvotesNarcissist4561 year ago

This dudes autistic lol “full on redpiller.”

2 upvotesmax_peenor1 year ago

Never go full Scotsman.

YEs, I understand I'm reversing it, spergs. Are you not entertained?

10 upvoteshalfback9101 year ago

Find out how this local man has sex THOUSANDS of times every day! Planned Parenthood HATES HIM!!!!

7 upvotesspencerc251 year ago

Do you live in Vegas? Or just visiting?

12 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Visiting. I'm probably going to move there soon for a year or so - it is a great city for game. It's cheap and there's a virtually limitless supply of women.

10 upvotesxeroshogun1 year ago

Vegas is cheap? Maybe if you are nowhere near the strip

3 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

The Meridian is a high-quality gated community 4 minutes from the Strip and it's 700 each for two people - if you go 10 minutes from the strip it's much cheaper for a decent place.

7 upvotesmallardcove1 year ago

Haha at needing a roommate in Las Vegas. Are you making minimum wage or something? I lived there 6 years ago and didn't have a room mate. Cost of living is cheap there. If you are moving somewhere for girls before you have your shit together financially/job wise that's a mistake.

You have enough money for Omnia, but not enough to live in Las Vegas without a roommate?

6 upvotesstrikethrough1231 year ago

When they say this, they're only thinking of three things: sex, with you, tonight.

7 upvotesmonadyne1 year ago

"Oftentimes, when a woman says, “We’re not going to have sex,” she’s only saying it because she’s been considering having sex with you. The emotional part of her brain wants a good plowing, but the logical part of her brain is telling her that she shouldn’t have sex with a guy she just met. "

I think an additional reason for saying it is because she wants to find out if someone will value spending time with her as a person, not just a fuckable body. By not just nexting her upon hearing that she's supposedly not going to fuck, she's reassured that the guy is actually interested in *her.* That comforts her enough to allow him to fuck her fuckable body.

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Yeah man, I agree. The solution, either way, is to not make a big deal of it or get reactive.

1 upvotesmonadyne1 year ago

I thought your reaction of "Okay." was perfect. Just enough to acknowledge that you heard her statement. Also casual, so that it sounds like you don't give a fuck that she's not going to be putting out.

14 upvotesclavabot1 year ago

I had no Idea buzzfeed writers were on TRP

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

When a girl says “we arent having sex” i go ahead and pop a viagara

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Fuck i failed the shit test then. This girl I was already sleeping with said that to me on the drive home one time and i ended the date. Would’ve got some action that night if i had just ignored it

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Don’t beat yourself up. Common beginner mistake. Just remember women’s words don’t mean shit, their actions do.

But that being said hey sometimes no actually means no. It’s just all about reading the situation.

1 upvotesfriggindoc1 year ago

If a woman says to me "Im not having sex with you" i will usually fuck her later that night. I can think if 4-5 times this has happened just if the top of my head so usually when i hear it im thinking "Yes! im in!"

7 upvotesdoveenigma131 year ago

Stuff we already know out of ten.

Good work though.

7 upvotesZanford1 year ago

A+ field report, and almost too well written. (It's written in the style like fiction, but I completely believe it, and it's all in all a pretty typical very-well-executed Vegas lay).

The "Ok" response is gold b/c it's very terse, noncommittal, and ambiguous. As is the Han Solo esque "I know" to the third one.

The "what are you doing" and the Russell Brand line are both very well deployed.

Part of what makes this such a great education field report is it's so damn simple. All the above-mentioned lines and replies are pretty easy to remember and pull off, and will come naturally. The 'you're not that pretty / just kidding you are' has to be executed very smoothly (without the 'jk' part sounding like you did it in intimidated beta surrender), one might consider adding the 'just kidding' bit before she has a chance to reply with anything more than a look of shock.

5 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Thanks man. Sometimes pulls are pretty complicated, but a lot of my best pulls have been just about the fundamentals - strong frame, strong eye contact, lead, and close. I think the majority of guys would be better off mastering the fundamentals instead of looking for some new concept that's going to take their game to the next level.

3 upvotesLuckyluke231 year ago

this is why i come to TRP. Great post man. Not only did you make a good field report, but you broke it down at the end of the post. you didn't just end it with " hey look at me i fucked"

I hope you get more points for this. I learnt a lot from it thanks.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Who the fuck opens with "I was valedictorian" - at a nightclub?

5 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

She didn't open with that, I just didn't write out the entire dialogue, just the parts I thought were important - like her qualifying.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Like... even in general conversation. That's so weird to me.

I'd never try to boast about my GPA.

7 upvotesRaughKee1 year ago

She's trying to qualify herself as an intelligent and different from the rest of the hotties there, I'd take something like that as a conversational IOI.

3 upvotes1TRUEKING1 year ago

i mean this is the same as when a girl says no hookups in their tinder bio. We all know deep down they actually want it.

3 upvotesprototypesai1 year ago

So when to know when a woman genuinely not interested in having sex and tells me that ?

3 upvotesBillyBones81 year ago

So after talking for 5min she agrees to go to a strangers hotel room? Then after 1 kiss she wants to fuck?

A typical fake FR or you fucked an Escort and left out the part where you paid her.

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

It was more like an hour and a half before pulling - I didn't write out all the conversation because a. I don't remember most of it and b. most of it didn't matter much.

Being skeptical is healthy and necessary - but being cynical is toxic because it makes the world a very negative place - it's important to know the difference.

3 upvotesgreenolivesandgarlic1 year ago

Yeah, this really happened. 😂

8 upvotesNutOnMyNoggin1 year ago

What's with the clickbait title though?

6 upvotesTriggeringEveryone1 year ago

That's not real clickbait. Every reader with a three digit IQ knew what would happen next.

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Idk, it genuinely was shocking to me that she said, "are you going to fuck me now, or what?" after having said we weren't going to have sex 3 times. What would you call it that would be less clickbaity?

3 upvotesTheRedPike1 year ago

FYI, please don't do that again. If I caught it early I would have nuked the post and asked you to repost with a different title. Buzzfeed vibes cast a shadow on something that in this case doesn't deserve it, particularly after you put some effort into this.

How about "Ended as expected." Hell, anything other than this cliche.

5 upvotesNutOnMyNoggin1 year ago

Idk kind of reminds me of the formula like "they said she was ugly. You won't believe what happened next!" Type of thing. Feel me?

3 upvotesseducer4real1 year ago

He used to work for buzzfeed

4 upvotesljozmo1 year ago

What a twist ending. I was not at all expecting that from OP. Ffs

2 upvotesbonusfruit1 year ago

Record everything and text afterward that you had a good time or whatever. Since we are now indulging unhinged, accusation-crazy psychos

2 upvotesmindset_warrior1 year ago

Part of me wanted to give her a lecture about boundaries and honest communication, but a bigger part of me (wink, wink), wanted to fuck her brains out.

Hahahaha, that had me laughing out loud.

Great field report. Edutainment at its finest - fundamental rules of game explained through a proper funny anecdote. Bravo to you, sir.

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Thanks man. I wasn't sure about using this style of storytelling, I'll probably do more of it in the future.

2 upvotesKoryphae_1 year ago

Great post, thanks. A question though, is there a way you could covertly ask if someone is DTF even though logistics suck or is it rather a collection of cues? Thanks!

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

If the logistics suck I'd say it's a collection of cues, it's something you get a feel for. It's like how if you've never kissed a girl, you might miss the signal when a girl wants to be kissed, but if you've kissed hundreds of girls, you can tell with almost perfect accuracy when a girl wants you to make a move.

If you're not experienced enough to tell when a girl is DTF even if she has bad logistics, you're going to have to make the call if you like her enough to risk spending your time on her without it leading to anything.

1 upvotesxiannnnnn1 year ago

How did you pick her up from the couch and carry her to your room, if you were already in your room pouring shots of Jameson?

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

The couch was in the living room, maybe that wasn't clear.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

This was a very educational post because you explained your response choices and why.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

But why waste time learning this? What if she decides to make rape allegations? Why not just fap to hentai?

1 upvoteskyzen1421 year ago

Lolll that was funny turn of events.

1 upvotescupshadow1 year ago

Something similar happened with a particular girl a few times, some months after our non-stop casual fuck.

It's goddamn confusing. She used to tease, then say she "got to wake up early" and eventually give up and fuck me. But only after insisting, which is something I really hate. After reading this post, it kinda made sense about the dissonance of having the brain say "no" and the body say "yes".

Great job on this one. At least she gave you a clear "yes" in the end, so she has nothing against you.

1 upvotesAntiRegios1 year ago

You know, I already knew this because many times women have told me word for word "were not going to have sex" and we still end up having sex, and I knew there was a pattern, but I never dossected it this well before.

1 upvotesrobtormar1 year ago

Solid report

1 upvotesdoitforthestory81 year ago

Well we did know what would happen given this is the red pill subreddit. I would have been more shocked if you said you didnt have sex =P

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Yeah, I wanted to change it to, "I couldn't believe what happened next," but alas, you can't change a title once it's posted.

1 upvotestaylepathy1 year ago

What kind of place is doing in a girl like you?

1 upvotesRPNietzsche1 year ago

Good repost, worth reading again and again.

1 upvotesU-941 year ago

I've got a push-pull tension game "You're not my type" game going with this chick friend. Have ended up in her bed 2 times in the last few weekends. I kinda space it out, run into her every other week. I know it drives her crazy. I quite enjoy it. She's not my only option but I must say it's been one of the few women where I've been actively practicing some of this RP psychology.

1 upvotesBurnoutRS1 year ago

One of the greatest things I ever learned was the right way to tell beautiful girls that they were ugly

1 upvotesjavixm1 year ago

Yep, 100%

Not once, not one time have I heard the words "we're not having sex tonight" and the night not ended in sex.

1 upvotesearthmother921 year ago

Ok text but retarded title.

1 upvotesMrGreySD1 year ago

Awesome point. Have experienced this myself.

What helps is for you to genuinely not be bothered about whether you have sex or not. If you're really keen you'll end up pushing too much and react badly to her shit tests without even realising (facial expressions, body language, etc).

1 upvotesthepesterman1 year ago

The "we're not having sex" line is a standard shit test, you just have to pass it like any other. Agree and amplify, "you think I want to have sex with you?!".

1 upvotesFlintblood1 year ago

Great example of PUA material.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Best explanation on push/pull theory I’ve ever read.

1 upvotesObediah_Stane1 year ago

Can confirm. Every single girl who has ever told me "we aren't having sex tonight" has, bear with me here, had sex with me. As long as you're aloof and grin like you just won the lottery, you're golden.

1 upvotesTechnerd881 year ago

Nice one man. I remember a classic line from a Ashton Kutcher movie. "If she says we are not going to have sex or fuck tonight without you mentioning it ever. That means she wants to fuck you and thinking about it".

Nice play on your part mate. Well done

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Thanks man. I think the movie you're referring to is "Spread" which is actually a good movie to watch for game - in it he uses game to live with rich women in L.A., pretty interesting.

1 upvotesSlolum1 year ago

In my early days I fucked this up so bad with the hottest girl I’ve ever been in bed with.

Moments earlier I had lifted her up against the wall in my kitchen, where we made out and felt each other up. I carried her to my bedroom, threw her on the bed, and we continued making out.

Then she comes up for air to say “just so you know we’re not having sex” and fucking stupidly ”respected her wishes.”

1 upvotesSavingMasculinity1 year ago

Another way to defuse this shit test bomb is to get behind the 8 ball and simply say it before she says it.

"We're not having sex tonight."

This will surprise her and in bro science terms trigger an emotional, primal response in her reptilian brain making her want to hop on your dick possibly more than she already did.

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Agreed. I did this when I was only 21 and interacting with a girl I considered to be a 10. I can't say for sure what would have happened if I didn't tell her, "we're not having sex tonight," but I did say it, and she brought me to her house, walked straight into her room, pulled her clothes off and got on the bed on all fours. It was hot. Actually, this makes me think I'll start using that line again haha

1 upvotesTheMasterChiefs1 year ago

This might work if you're 6 ft 2, athletic, and extremely handsome... I've had no luck in this pursuit for years despite having gone to the club many times.

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

I'm only 6'1, so.... JK, my friend who's a 3/10 in looks has pulled several girls in the last couple months - and this dude is so ugly that one of my friends said, "He's the worst looking guy I've ever met." He's 5'3. Balding. Fat. Has very bad acne. Huge nose. Pretty much all the physical qualities you don't want to have. The dude isn't even charming, his game is pretty bad, but he took action so much that eventually he got results. Of course, he would do much better if he actually to be more charismatic/charming.

2 upvotesTheMasterChiefs1 year ago

Sounds too generic to be true. A girl has no reason to be attracted to you unless you genuinely capture her attention via physical appearance, personality/charm/confidence, or wealth. There's no fat, short, bald guy without any of those things getting anywhere.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

This happens 99% of times you get a new girl alone. She is just trying to make sure you’re not going to throw some pussy tantrum or get all bummed about it because there are a lot of chodes they meet who do that to them.

1 upvotesSKRedPill1 year ago

It means she's aroused enough to think of it with you, just the use of the word 'sex' means it's on her mind (in all probability she's imagined it down to the details) - but not aroused enough to stop all those fears, nervous thoughts and LMRs from kicking in.

1 upvotesWarViper13371 year ago

I remember several years ago there was this girl I started seeing. The first night things got serious she was throwing ioi's all over the place. I was at her apartment with some friends and after they all left things got serious fast. I picked her up and sat her on the kitchen counter and spread her legs while making out with her. The really funny part was while this was going on she was trying to start up ASD. "I never have sex on first dates", "I always wait 6 months before fucking", as well as a few others. I had known her for a long time so I knew none of that was true. In fact she said half that stuff while her hand was groping the front of my pants lol! She even had ASD going while she was stripping off her own clothes. The next day was just as funny. A flood of a text messages begging for more. AWALT!

1 upvotescpk80801 year ago

Can you share a few more "Push and Pull" examples?

2 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Here's a good video that has some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kaR6-MIV8k

1 upvotesttt9111 year ago

I think your lines goes well with the "I don't normally do this" after you've made out and taking her cloths off now. I had a girl recently saying this to me while she was undressing on top of me, I just said "Ok" and smiled.

Women don't like to be seen sluty or easy even if they are 110% down for sex.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I often wonder if girls say this, especially infront of other girls, to give themselves options after the sex. Say they want to do a false rape charge...they stated no sex, infront of their friends (witnesses) went home with you, had consensual sex, but they tell the police you raped them. If the sex is good then they don't but if you perform terribly or they get regrets, it gives them a huge option.

1 upvotesAlpha_Jedi1 year ago

Nice write up, sounds like a fun time. It's amazing how counter-intuitive ASD can be. But you handled it like a boss and reaped the rewards. Well done. Cheers.

1 upvotesblackjackANDplates1 year ago

As with most other aspects of Red Pill awareness. parsing out the nuts and bolts of how and why emotions work, how they evolved and the important survival functions they serve often has a way of dispelling the magic we apply to emotions. From a biological perspective we can prompt certain emotions (or buffer them) by creating the stimuli that evokes them. We can chemically induce an emotional response. We can alter moods with drugs and we can chemically compare the endorphins released into our bloodstream when we experience the ’emotional’ effects of love, lust and infatuation. There are many studies comparing love to addiction, and the effects of a breakup being comparable to ‘withdrawal’ symptoms.

1 upvotesblackjackANDplates1 year ago

Human beings need predictability – it gives them a sense of control over others. When you alter yourself, or have your personality altered by an outside force, this is a threat to that predictability, so the logical counter is for others to attempt to put us back into our places. Shaming comes as a natural tactic for women, but the push is always to get you back into their frame. And that’s essentially the threat others interpret, the new you is a frame grab. Do it all at once and people will accuse your personality of being a disingenuous reaction to having been burned. Do it subtly and persistently over a time and people will be more willing to accept the change as genuine. Always insist on change, but never too quickly.

1 upvotesKyogata1 year ago

When a woman says 'We're not having sex tonight, right?', she's just saying that she wants to have sex but that she wants you to lead her to it without having the discomfort of saying it out loud.

1 upvotesawake2831 year ago

Assuming this is all true, you played this perfectly bro! Plus she sounds like a possible keeper!

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

Thanks man, it was a cool experience. The thing about Vegas is that most of the girls are only there for a weekend - so it's not a good place for finding an LTR. One of my friends started dating a girl he met in Vegas and he literally flew out to see her every week, not worth it IMO

1 upvotesawake2831 year ago

Ahh -- missed the Vegas part somehow.

Also yea LDRs are never ever worth it.

1 upvotessuxxos1 year ago

Hey, it’s too loud here

Frankly, the fact that you managed to have any conversation at all at Omnia makes me think your whole post is a fantasy. It's way, way too loud there.

If it's true though, I think you are overestimating your achievement. Chicks go to clubs because they want to get laid. She wanted to pick you up just as much as you wanted to pick her up, she just has a different strategy for that. That's all.

1 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

The conversation was in the upstairs outdoor area which is relatively quiet. But you can still have conversations in the main area, it's an excuse to be physical/get close. Did I say it was a special accomplishment anywhere, or are you just projecting your own insecurities?

0 upvotesdiamondstudz1 year ago

OP, did you use a condom or nah

4 upvotesSocialinception [OP]1 year ago

It doesn't count unless you get her pregnant! Jk, yeah, I used a condom.

0 upvotesPgayed21 year ago

Great story haha lots of haters in the chat. Jeez. Can’t people just be happy for the dude !

0 upvotesGe7zsu1 year ago

If a girl tries to tell you "okay we can go there, but we're not gonna have sex!" with a smile on her face you need to take charge of that situation and tell her something like "look girl, i do not mind "not fucking" but if you completely remove the chance that it might happen i will not go with you, goodbye" She will most likely chase after you telling you she was kidding and then there is your chance to steer the night where you might want it to go.

Going "okay" or ignoring her gives her too much power in the following situations that might arise. Never let a girl control your potential happiness. She needs you to be happy because she feeds off your emotions.

4 upvotesGlassland1 year ago

You are putting too much pressure on the girl with the first sentence, especially if she is still unsure about you. You need to be playful-rude, not rude-rude.

1 upvotesGe7zsu1 year ago

Let her be unsure then and move on.. It's my game and i'm not changing my rules for a potential fuck. I believe that when i say it, that is why it works for me. I am not deliberately trying to be an asshole, the way i see it she's working an angle just like me. Letting her do that compromises my happiness, so i would not give a fuck if it did not work out.

0 upvotesRyanLockwood1 year ago

Well done. I really like all the points you touched on. I know a fair bit about push pull as well. Just need to get out some more and keep going strong. Gonna save the post. Thanks

0 upvotesVanwaq1 year ago

" What happened next, you can probably imagine." I need help imagining OP. I am not experience enough so would really appreciate some details here.

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