I think a lot of problems come from young men, without proper role models, adopting an identity that seems to fit in some ways but are very limiting. The funny fat guy seems most tragic to me, in context of someone like Chris Farley or John Candy. As someone who had struggled with weight as a teen, it was sometimes tempting to adapt the "funny fat guy" persona, trying to over compensate for being overweight. I knew guys who did it. They became the clown. We all have heard the greatest thing a man can have is a sense of humor. Before learning how people answer polls that are not anonymous, it seems like a great idea, that someone can just learn jokes, sometimes at your own expense, and just entertain people into being attracted to you. But I've found humor is incredibly valuable, only in the right times, and doses. Other times it is detrimental. High value women don't want to fuck the jester. They want to fuck the king. So it seems like a pretty limiting identity to take on, yet we still see it in Hollywood, and it's expanded to actresses who stay at unhealthy weight, are paid to make fun of themselves and never improve. Then we hear about another celebrity having a heart attack in their 40s or overdosing on uppers at 4 am after binge drinking and eating for 9 hours straight. So there's some overlap between the fat funny guy and the party animal, they both share the self destruction. What is the dynamic of the nerd? The illiterate jock? The rebel? These different tropes would be cliche by the mid 80s but strangely enough they live on. I witnessed it at a "redneck" graduation party yesterday. So I'm interested to hear TRP thoughts on this