A quick story about my uncle and why being successful doesn’t mean anything if you don’t hold frame

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July 6, 2018

Quick story that demonstrates how a man who made a 7 figure salary, and was VP of a telecom company lost his wife, kids and eventually his life. Take heed gentlemen

My uncle had it all. The 1.5 million dollar house. The trophy wife, the 2 sons. The Mercedes, the BMW. The high powered executive job.

From the looks of it, he was the Man most men dream of being. The man who seemingly had it all. The one thing my uncle didn’t have, was the redpill, and that was his downfall. You see, he didn’t hold his frame. Sure he was a Vice President. Sure he made 7 figures, and drove luxury cars. But there was a drawback to this success.

To get where he was at, he worked long hrs. 12, 13, 14 hr days. Weekends too. He probably worked about 80-90 hrs a week, and bc of that, he was rarely home, and when he was he wasn’t exactly present.

See my uncles way of dealing with things was to throw money at it. Unhappy wife? But her a new car to shut her up. Kids acting up? Buy them a PlayStation so they keep quiet. As long as he didn’t have to engage and “fix it” he felt things were ok.

Of course this arrangement worked out.....for awhile. Then my aunts hypergamy finally took over. My uncles money could only keep it bottled down for so long.

She figured she had the perfect betabux situation, now she could go have some fun.

My aunt shacked up with a couple more “alpha” men, getting gifts, presents and eventually 2 kids from these other men

The whole time, my uncle knew nothing, and kept placating her with jewelry, a new car, a new house, or a fun vacation anytime she started getting bitchy

This went on for 20 of their 30yr marriage.

Finally my uncle decides he wants to retire, and is getting his affairs in order. He tells my aunt that he’s ready to retire and they can do all the stuff they’ve been talking about now for yrs. My aunt by this time is older emotionally checked out, plus she’s hit the wall and basically confesses to having a 20yr affair. She also confessed that my two cousins weren’t my uncles biological sons, and since they were both grown adults, he basically paid for private school, college, new cars etc for two kids that weren’t his.

My aunt divorced raped him, took half of what he had, as he had no prenup, and told his sons they weren’t his.

She played on the resentment the boys had about never seeing their father when growing up. The resentment he was too busy to go to sporting events. The resentment of being raised by video games and television.

After this huge revelation my uncle become a depressed shell of a man, moved into a small condo and eventually committed suicide.

All that was bc he simply neglected his family/priorities and didn’t hold any frame when it came to them

So take this as a lesson, that always strive to be successful but hold frame, at all times. Bc being successful in one area of your life, and neglecting the others could end up costing you

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Title A quick story about my uncle and why being successful doesn’t mean anything if you don’t hold frame
Author Ray_pinasses1210
Upvotes 859
Comments 198
Date 06 July 2018 11:46 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/51271
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8wounb/a_quick_story_about_my_uncle_and_why_being/
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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad436 points437 points  (15 children) | Copy

Being successful by society's definition and being attractive to women aren't the same thing

[–]omega_dawg93131 points132 points  (8 children) | Copy

women have and will ALWAYS fuck on instincts and emotions.

i know a lot of guys who "throw money" at their wives and kids to keep them happy. this only works for so long.

the guys usually throw logic into it: "but I'm making 100k per year, I'm not abusive, I'm this I'm that... why did she cheat on me!?!?"

she cheated bc you didn't bring out her basic instincts to be dominated... to let her nurture, etc.

you throw only money... she will seek only dick... and she won't care about your logic. hypergamy doesn't give a fuck about your logic.

you have to be a man.

[–]simpleafk28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy

I was this way for such a long time. I thought to myself that having money and being stable will stop my SO from cheating. Experience with past relationships have taught me AWALT. Women only seek pleasure and their own emotions, logic is nothing to them. That's why I make it clear from the very beginning of my relationships that I am a broke college student and will be for a long time. That even if we get married I will make her sign an airtight prenup no matter what. It's either a prenup or get the fuck out of my life. I've seen too many male family friends that have been taken for all their worth. Told exactly this to my current SO and held frame. She protested at first but low and behold she agreed she would sign a prenup.

[–]jimbub 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Do you know of any resources online to making sure you get that airtight prenup?

I've heard of judges throwing those out regardless, and that's obviously no bueno

[–]get-tilted 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

What the hell? Why would a judge throw out a prenup

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Judges regularly chuck prenups for a variety of reasons. It's not an entirely unreasonable practice in theory, it's just of course applied by a disgusting, heavily biased system.

For example, let's say you draft a prenup saying that in the event of divorce, you pay no alimony and no child support. That will be chucked. Because while she agreed the to terms, the terms are not something that the court would deem fair to the child. (This is an extreme example to show the point).

Let's say the prenup is reasonable (say, you keep all of your previous funds and investments, and all estate money from your relatives that comes in will remain yours, etc, she keeps all of hers) and yours are considerably more, but she didn't get legal representation / review during the prenup. Now she claims that you rushed her to sign, she didn't have legal counsel, and you said that if she didn't sign, you wouldn't marry her. Now the prenup might get chucked.

This is why you need to get a lawyer and draft a prenup that is fair enough to her, and ensure that she has legal counsel from a different lawyer. The prenup cannot be super extreme, it has to be a prenup that fulfills a bunch of criteria.

It is a common misconception that a prenup is like "I keep everything, the gold digging ho gets none!". It's more like "we consider everything before the marriage as independent investments, I keep the house because I paid for it, and I pay out 2 years of alimony for x amount to cover her rent, and we split assets gained during the marriage equally". You can write a prenup that's like "I keep all the monies, the bitch is out on her ass" but the court will throw it out even if she agreed to it.

[–]NightFire456 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ask The Donald how good pre-nups are. The main issue seems to be the difference in income from marriage to the divorce.

[–]19RomeoQuebec0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its called married redpill, same basic concpets just a different road traveled. You now do the thinking for people other than yourself.

[–]johnnytturbo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are like bass. You have the keep them out of the fucking lake, or they'll snap at anything.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

Exactly. Society demands that a certain number of people perform their entire lives as slaves; let's say about 30%. A solid 30% of people in any given society at any given time are going to be slaves. Women don't want a slave. Women want a master, generally speaking. This poor old fuck was slaving away, and society granted him these status symbols (mercedes,bmw, expensive house) in return for his slavery. And he ended up not enjoying any of it and killing himself. What a sad fucking story. Guys, dont fall into the "success" trap. I put that in quotes because like OP said, his uncle appeared successful when really, he was a weak, frameless, beta slave. True success is happiness. No matter what. If you love rock climbing with a passion,and that's what makes you happy, do it. It doesnt matter if your whole family at first ridicules you,or even society for that matter. Just do it. Dont be a miserable "successful" fuck like OP's uncle.

[–]Brutal131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't agree. Do what you like but make $100k+/year with it. If you can't consider to switch.

Money = tools and power.

[–]jonpe870 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Its' Actually the opposite.

[–]voxiqs9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

The side bar and the rational male say power and success is not what his uncle had but the ability to walk away from it all. Abundance mentality with everything in life and freedom.

If work consumes all your time and dictates you, by side bar definition, you are not a powerful man.

[–]volcanolairbadguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

True but, being successful is a marker for women in attraction. Its that women want to her Prince charming, symbolic and accurate portrayal of their hypergamy. Prince as in status, wealthy,and obviously attractive. Its the reason why more men need to adapt. I think pickup, game, and TRP are Early stages of male adaptation. Its still very early. Women have evolved and adapted since the beginning of time. Its hardwired. Its only from social media we're now seeing female nature as it is. I embrace it. Just qct accordingly. Casual, no ring, marriage or cohabitation.

[–]mgustov 1 points [recovered]  (36 children) | Copy

Dude I was casually reading this and then got to the suicide part and I had a reality check.

[–]Ray_pinasses1210[S] 296 points297 points  (34 children) | Copy

Yeah man. The family didn’t find any of this out til after he died, and my aunt casually mentioned how she had multiple affairs for 20yrs and how my cousins were the product of those affairs

She’s honestly a terrible person and I truly hope there’s a special place in hell for her

[–]TheLanternFlame102 points103 points  (8 children) | Copy

This story is how successful men always has a woman for his downfall. But also, though frame is not the end all be all, we need frame to keep our lives in check. Frame, game, dread, physical health, etc. we can't relax at all especially when married.

[–]boredepression21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right on. This is what drives me now. I nearly f-ed up everything a few years back. Now I'm back on point, getting ripped, stronger than ever, making more in a weekend than she does in two weeks, flirting semi-openly, talking about the ladies who flirt with me. I still have a few areas where I have significant trouble holding frame - my major weakness areas - but it is leaps and bounds better than before and I continually struggle to improve in those areas. Life has much improved as has sex in the past year!

[–]CountCuriousness-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like you don't really respect your woman, assuming she hasn't expressed that it's okay to outright flirt with other people. Not really a healthy relationship. If my girl did that with other dudes, I'd get uppity.

[–]drty_pr5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

And here I am working a regular old blue collar job with a wife who literally does whatever I say, minus fuck me on command. She puts out, but not as much as I'd like.

In all honesty, I think finding a women who is nearly flawless in every part of your relationship who also fucks your brains out is a rare commodity. The unicorn so to speak.

[–]TheLanternFlame-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great for you then! If she's doing that for you means she means a lot to you, but please define flawless. Cuz I remember that God or any other higher (or highest) beings had made anyone flawless. Please expound on that more.

[–]drty_pr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I suppose that was a poor choice of words. Lol.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dumb, he did the dread game and the wife fucked some other dude. Which part of it did u not read? She fucked 2 other dudes, dread game don't do counter that, in this case the chick didn't need to handle the dread.

[–]redvelvet_oreo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Which part from the post did you see as dread game? The biggest thing here is he withdrew most of his attention from her for work. Women still need some degree of attention to keep them. It sounds like when he was home he never knew how to handle his situation. Had no game, just tuned out from being burnt out which could lead to other things behind the scenes like complaint and looking weak. Throwing money at situation will not fix anything. I don’t think what his wife did was right at all but OPs uncle didn’t know how to handle his situation either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Dread" look at what I was relying to pls....

[–]Jyontaitaa75 points76 points  (8 children) | Copy

Laws need to be modified so that all father's on birth certificates are backed by dna evidence. This is the one simple fix that will curtail a huge amount of bullshit. I can see no fair arguement for opposition to this law.

[–]icecoldviv4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

What about people who adopt kids?

[–]Brutal130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, and verify with Blockchain + cryptography.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude she belongs in the worst kind of hell. That is like so wrong and messed up. I mean she should literally have to do a walk of shame thru the streets.

[–]monadyne14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

The OP reports that she's an awful person and I'm sure he's right. Then again, there's a certain amount of a rational response by her: if dad's never there for her, what was she supposed to do, sit around reading magazines all day and watch TV all night? She understandably wanted more out of life than what he provided her. Reverse the roles: if a man married some woman who was never around, even on weekends, and never provided him with sex, wouldn't it make sense for him to find sexual fulfillment outside of the marriage?

So this gal was both rational ~and~ a piece of utter shit.

[–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

We can only hope they go to hell. Your story is a lesson to don't hope on our situation. Thank you.

[–]honorocagan8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

How are the kids these days?

[–]hbss13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably they hate their “dad” because mom will have made sure of talking trash bout him all the time while being provided, and spoiled.

[–]monadyne6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I doubt they needed much trash talk from mom-- Dad not being there in their lives was enough for them to judge him to be a piece of shit as a father... and they'd have been right.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nagh shes just ya typical AWALT chick, ya uncle did his part and now he has left more money to the family that wasn't his?

[–]mcdouglebutt3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

damn seems like a good divorce lawyer could have wrecked that bitch

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

In nearly every jurisdiction divorce is no fault unless someone beats the shit out of someone. She can go in there with selfies of her chugging cock and it wont matter for alimony.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Not quite true. Property division is mandatory but alimony is discretionary.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Discretionary is real close to "I don't give a fuck what she did." in our system.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Regarding property division issues the court generally cannot take into account what she did even if it wanted to. When it comes to alimony (an increasing rare thing) the court can indeed consider what she did since alimony is an equitable as opposed to statutory remedy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right, but there isn't an automatic "she sucked dick" clause in there. It's always framed as "did she stay home".

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unfortunately she also created hell for many people around her, which will promulgate into the next generations of the people around her. Hell is a god damn real place and you'd better believe it. Her kids live in hell on earth because she sinned, her husband lived in hell before he killed himself because she sinned. Hell is a fucking real, real place. And the more people sin, the larger hell envelops earth. The reason religions say you go to hell when you die is because they speak of "you" in terms of your lineage; i.e you and your children,and your childrens children,etc. Via epigenetic memory, all your sinful actions are recorded in your DNA and passed on to your kids. Yeah, scary,i know. So your kids, even if you teach them to be good and holy,if you sinned during your life via your actions,they are mostly bound to repeat those actions. And sins are not just something to be laughed about. Its a very serious crime that has many effects throughout society once they are done. Its a violation against the social order. It fucks everything up and turns the planet back into a jungle,and turns the rest of us into monkeys. It's a very serious thing.

[–]baldur696955 points56 points  (2 children) | Copy

The thought of raising someone's kids thinking they're my own makes me sick to my stomach. Jesus, just when you thought it was getting easier to swallow the pill you read shit like this, sorry to hear about your uncle.

[–]KINGahRoo10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that's gotta be the ultimate betrayal ..finding out they ain't yours

[–]Kornstar048 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

There should be mandatory DNA testing at birth to confirm the father (as well as disease).

Anyone here who with children and hasn't got a DNA test on the sky, is a fool.

[–]3d_truth82 points83 points  (6 children) | Copy

Another example from my life. Start uni, am bad with girls despite being good looking. So start lifting. Hard. By second year I was a beast. The only girls I ever banged were girls that literally threw themselves at me and took me back to their place. Happened 3 times during uni. Other than that I had no sex, even though I was a good looking buff guy in a uni town where all girls were so loose. I avoided girls up until the age of 29 because I assumed they weren't for me or something.

Finally redpilled this year and now it's easy. Moral of the story is frame is literally everything. Money and looks will not get you anywhere without frame.

[–]OpSecAnon20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

You say it's easy now with frame, I'm curious what you changed exactly as a result of understanding frame?

[–]3d_truth62 points63 points  (0 children) | Copy

My biggest change was recognising that everything I did was textbook beta behaviour. And realising that acting like an alpha turned girls on.

Before I found it comfortable to be unconfident, say things like 'its up to you'. Wanting a girl to take the lead etc. Now I just take charge of everything. If I am out with a girl I will say 'lets do this' and grab her hand and lead her. I will never ask a girl what she wants to do or worry about her wellbeing. It sounds harsh but I know now that it is what she really wants. If I'm happy and having a good time, she is happy. If I am worried about her, she feels weird.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Remember folks, a Womans erogenous zone is between her ears.

[–]1996_Luna2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well, what happened? Did they just shit test you and break you down like Tetris?

[–]3d_truth19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably, I was completely unaware of shit tests. They probably didn't even need to test me as it woukd have been painfuly clear I was going to fail anyway.

I fell in love with one of the biggest sluts in our year. And my neighbour who was probably a hb6 who told me I was like her brother. I just completely ignored obvious iois because I was unconfident. I didn't fail with girls because I never tried. And when I did I failed so spectacularly that I never wanted to try again.

I remember once texting a girl, very frustrated, asking her why she wouldn't have sex with me. Oh God Im cringing so hard at myself now.

[–]1996_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, glad to hear that you got good at not giving a fuck. It’s sometimes weird to directly ask girls for sex though. Some will say yes, others no. I guess the not so good looking chicks are always down?

[–]boy_named_su103 points104 points  (10 children) | Copy

Stuff like this shows how wrong the incels and blackpillers are. Being good-looking is worthless if you're someone's bitch

[–]Xoramung 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

i can never get a decent definition of blackpiller. what is that exactly?

[–]boy_named_su33 points34 points  (5 children) | Copy

AFAIK they are like red-pillers but only believe in looks, and not game

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Looks matter alot. Game trumps all

[–]OfficerWade2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What you might call a “natural”

[–]womans_algorithm10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nope, natural has game but is not conciously aware of it.

[–]plokman13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Basically complete biological determinism, generally used as an excuse to not try.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Defeatists who recognize the strategy and principles of TRP (as opposed to MGTOW or blue pill) but think they’re too ugly for it to be any use to them.

[–]Borsao66109 points110 points  (5 children) | Copy

This should be required reading for every dumbass that comes in here asking the same old tired 'I've gotten successful and think I found a unicorn, any reason not to get married?'.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (2 children) | Copy

Get married if that is what you want, I wouldn't recomend it, however some men may choose fathering children as their mission, best to do that with a female.

[–]beginner_5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can have children without marriage...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is a true statement, however I said it was best done with a man and a women, optimal.

Do you have a larger point you are hinting at or have you just injected random facts for no reason.

[–]Killing__Time_56 points57 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is more about complacency after marriage.

[–]cBIGONE1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, but this guy is telling a second hand story. Maybe the guy was a complete cockbag at home. He basically admitted he paid no attention to his wife or kids...

[–]TheEnglishman2839 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Money can't buy everything."

Prime example of that here folks.

[–]laylowwww58 points59 points  (8 children) | Copy

Judging from the comments, people still don't get it. You can be a high ranking executive in the corporate world and still be a beta. The sales guys making 150K, spinning plates, traveling, working half of those hours and hitting the gym on top of it are primarily the alphas of most companies. If you think Gates, Bezos, Musk or Zuckerberg are alpha in any way you need to hit the sidebar again and take a fucking lap while you're at it.

[–]spygoat218 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

What about being an executive makes you alpha? Its usually the other way around. Most executives I know are fat slobs and the reason most got to where they are is from some serious knob polishing. Not all, but most.

[–]Scuur3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha laylowwww your a fucking idiot. If you think those people aren't alpha you need to read there books to see mentally what they went through. Those men run the fucking world. That's about as alpha as you can get.

[–]Kornstar040 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Those men may be rich with money but I'm richer with redpoll knowledge.

[–]MrSittingBull-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

But Jobs on the other hand...

[–]kellykebab37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

...died because he ate salads to cure cancer

[–]Iliketothinkthat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pancreatic cancer has like a 5% 5-year survival rate. He would've died anyway but maybe a year later or something.

[–]frooschnate22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

From what I’ve heard he lost his lil temper all the time and was mostly insecure. Can’t judge a man by reading some fucking book or a bunch of quotes

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always felt Jobs put off serious beta. Don't see his as Alpha at all. Leading a company and being as innovative as he was doesn't translate to Alpha.

[–]drqxx102 points103 points  (14 children) | Copy

Rules from this story.

  1. Never get married. I've been in a LTR for almost 7 years, but on the third date I flat out told her I'm never getting married (again), Make sure no common law marriage law exist in your state.

  2. Make sure your kids are yours. I have very strong genetics so I can flat out tell my kids are mine. if you think for a minute they are not, get some genetic testing done it's fairly inexpensive. Also do not raise bastards. I don't care how hot the single mom is if she has kids fuck her and leave her. she will offer you nothing that a younger single and kidless woman can.

  3. Be the prize My girl or our GF (of 1.5 years) will never stray unless I allow it. They know they can't do any better cause I'm always setting the bar high for everyone in my tribe.

  4. Take control. You are then man so act like the fucking man. The women that you want are the ones that want to be led. if you have kids you need to take control and show them the proper way to be adults. Do not hide behind money.

  5. You don't need all the money you just need to make enough. The uncle in the story worked 80 hours a week or more and because of this he was unable to spend any of his money he work so hard for. He worked his entire life his fucking wife did this to him and he ended up putting a gun in his mouth at the end. Imagine if you just focus on making $150, 000 that would have been plenty per year. Figure out what enough money is make that and the rest of your time is yours.

  6. Look at her mom, if you're going to be getting involved in a long-term relationship you need to understand what she's going to look like when she gets older. Her mom will tell you everything you need to know about her. My ex-wife is slowly becoming the potato that her mother is.

[–]SynfulVisions90 points91 points  (4 children) | Copy

Look at her mom, if you're going to be getting involved in a long-term relationship you need to understand what she's going to look like when she gets older. Her mom will tell you everything you need to know about her. My ex-wife is slowly becoming the potato that her mother is.

I have a theory that I'm testing. Since my SO always jumps on the scale at the grocery store, I started watching the dial closely and holding my phone. She noticed after the second time... asked what I was looking at...

"Seeing if I need to download Tinder"

She practically raped me that night.

[–]the_one_tony_stark14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

She practically raped me that night.

Ahhh women...

Reminds me of the time I lost control getting angry with my girlfriend and I didn't care anymore if we stayed together and I told her so. Next time I came to her place she had made dinner, but the desert was even better. That seemed so strange to me for the longest time.

[–]drqxx18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you find yourself the prize women will do everything they can to keep a good man.

I don't mean a nice guy. I mean a man that fucks them like they deserve. I mean a man who has a plan for his future. Someone who is a fucking stoic rock.

[–]SynfulVisions10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a moderately alcoholic sysadmin with an Army gimp who lives on a sailboat.

I don't see the attraction, but plenty of 18-22 year olds seem to.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

just need to make enough.


The point of money isn't to stack it and use it as a benchmark to determine the winner at the end.

At the end, winners look back and have no regrets and the money was the tool to achieve their dreams. It by itself wasn't the dream

[–]victor_knight10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Make sure your kids are yours. I have very strong genetics so I can flat out tell my kids are mine.

I'm divorced too but you're right, I can actually tell they're mine. I wasn't 100% sure when they were babies but now that my two boys are older, I'm pretty damned sure. In fact, even my aunts tell me my boys look "just like me" when I was their age.

[–]drqxx9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look I don't blame women for doing this type of fucked-up shit. Stefan molyneux said it's all about the eggs for women it's our fault as men for not securing our castle.

if everyone reading this could take ownership of their problems we would not have an issue with single motherhood.

[–]TriggeringEveryone2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have very strong genetics so I can flat out tell my kids are mine.

That's retarded. Only a DNA test can tell for sure.

[–]drqxx3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I presume you don't have children. You don't see their subtleties you don't see the direct face correlation.

[–]sssozi 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

First thing my friend told me when I dated a white girl was to look at her mom as that’s how she will end up looking.

[–]Promisefield0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Huh, my grand-father told me that just last Saturday.

[–]fatboy-slim23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuuuuuucking hell!! Hope this is not a real story.

[–]LeavingHumanityBehin 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

no prenup


Also, how the fuck can she take half stuff if she was cheating? A law prevents that stuff if one was cheating in normal countries.

[–]Ray_pinasses1210[S] 22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

He felt guilty, so he didn’t push the cheating issue during the divorce proceedings

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

He felt guilty

for what exactly? (I'm not hating on him in any way, genuinely curious)

[–]chronogumbo10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably felt it was his fault for emotionally neglecting his wife and kids.

[–]bowhunter67 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

No-fault divorce, my friend.

[–]askmrcia19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

Out of all the stuff I read on here, I'm truly hoping this is fake. This is one of the most fucked up things I read on here and that's saying alot

[–]jinglebells892 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hardly fucked up compared to other shit. I read a story about a guy who’s wife cheated on him and then slapped him with a restraining order (common in divorce)

A few months later the guy’s mom gets sick. He reaches out to his ex wife’s sister to see whether or not she can take her kids to see their grandmother before she passed away. The cunt called the police because he violated the restraining order. Long story short - the kids didn’t see their grandma before she died and he was in jail when she died.

[–]red_philosopher11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the cuck story of the current age. This is a true tragedy, and it should be remembered so that future men do not fall prey to a woman like this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you let them they become assassins of dreams. Never forget what you're dealing with.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Frankly I don’t see this as an example of frame loss. It’s an example of poor life and family management. But frame is not the primary issue here. Regardless, good story.

[–]Enigma2218 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what courts and women do to a man. We need to stop this shit and stop letting women shit all over us! Just cause of the stupid government by their fucking sides! We need to change the laws! This is fucked man.

[–]PerplexingPegasus_2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

There’s a fine line between making the most you can and your time. If you have to sacrifice your time to the extent that OP uncle did, it’s never worth it.

[–]jm512 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s a fine line between making the most you can and your time

Guy I knew grew up almost feral because his dad worked so much overtime. They weren't even that poor but the dad loved his job.

[–]kjlh913 points14 points  (18 children) | Copy

Easy fix, get that vasectomy, dont get married and dont let thots move in.

[–]ayytriarchy41 points42 points  (16 children) | Copy

Die alone and childless.

Your advice is to be OP's uncle. Some fix

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Even easier fix...convert her to mormonism or islam...

Hardline but dont support terrorism

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know an incredibly successful English Lord who has a child that isn't his because his wife had an affair because he was working too hard. He raised it as his own and he and his wife are still together.

[–]gobman 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

Frame > All

My personal life experience: Got married at 25, wife turned out to be abusive AF, got divorced at 26. New city, No game, ended up paying escorts to bust a nut. Got in to a relationship with a girl I met on Tinder (lol! SMH) and she dumps me soon after. Got tired of getting cucked and treated like shit, I hired a life coach who helped me build my frame up. Keep in mind that I ain't a bad looking dude, I earn six figures, multi-millionaire parents and will be inheriting close to 9 figures. Ever since I started redpilling, I could get more women in the last 3 months than 8 years before it. Right now, with minimal effort, I can actually get women who I would have considered way out of my league 6 months ago. I had money and looked the same back then and now, only thing that changed was the frame and it made a huge difference.

[–]Johnnybeachboy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Njce humble brag, you sound like my buddy who came from a wealthy background, nice guy and a good friend to me, a tinge spoiled. However, he hired a dating coach and he's improved with making friends and everything. I'm happy to see him happy.

[–]Gargantuar011 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

9 figures

What the fuck? Are your parents the ceo of a top 100 company?

[–]gobman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Real Estate. Assets valued over $150mil. The valuation was over 5 years ago. Not sure how much of it has changed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is awesome bro, can you expand further on the changes you made? Are you serious into lifting?

[–]vishaljrecords0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Take those 9 figures and invest it all in Amazon.. lol, jk. Man I could make a savage killing trading options with that kind of dough.

[–]victor_knight5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

My uncle got divorced too (after 25 years) but then remarried.

[–]Im_Not_Kevin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Thanks for the write up. RIP to your Uncle, your Aunt sounds like an self-centered bitch but AWALT when you get complacent. Stay vigilant

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been facing a lot of truth right now, about a lot that I lack. Bad genetics, poor life situation. I didn't realize just how valuable the red pill was, but I'm so happy I found it. You can be rich, have amazing genetics, etc, but if you're plugged in, you can lose it all. Grateful for TRP

[–]quansau11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anyone else noticing a theme here, guy gets attached to X, treats X as though it is permanent, X shows guy nothing is permanent. I think this portion of abundance mentality is overlooked. It's not just about walking away, it's about recognizing daily during the relationship that nothing lasts forever. Then it's not as soul shattering if things go south. Hard to say what kind of emotions the guy was dealing with after 30 years of marriage and three unsupportive fake family members vilifying you whilst stealing your shit. Poor guy, that woman should be sent to prison for this level of emotional abuse.

[–]jsphere2561 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If by "holding frame" you mean ditching an unfaithful wife and her two illegitimate kids, then yes. Bribing them is a delay tactic while you wait for things to work themselves out, which they will at your expense.

[–]Ctrain031 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even if the story was the truth, to try to say all this happened cuz he was “beta” and the woman went to other “alpha” men is forcing it.

In my past, when I was young and dumb, I’ve hooked up with married women. Does that make me the alpha in the situation? Likewise, when I don’t give my family attention things fall apart. It has nothing to do with alpha and beta males. It has to do with being present, having the right priorities and being humble.

[–]sjoeb981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your uncle really didn't have it all. Sounds like he never really had freedom to be himself. He had fake trophies to show off, Nothing else.

[–]420KUSHBUSH1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Becoming successful is half the battle, staying successful is the other half

Always watch your back

[–]fortegould1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This shows the warped vision of success held by many. Success is freedom not how many figures you make.

[–]chaseexcellence1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, I do not think the issue was with your "UNCLES FRAME". Your aunt may have never seen your uncles as an alpha. Maybe she did not see him as an Alpha. We will never know with your aunt. You cannot keep any woman satisfied longterm. You cannot. It is impossible. Brad Pitt could not do it. Brad Pitt is a top alpha hollywood guy with looks, money, and status. If Brad Pitt cannot keep a marriage together, what man can? In the end, all roads lead to divorce. Remember, a woman, "She is not yours. It is just your turn to have her". Your uncles time was up a long time ago. He just did not realize it. The poor man. I feel bad for him.

Lets say your uncle was a true alpha with good frame. Your Aunt may have met a man who was a better Alpha with better frame. It happens. You need to remember, when a man has kids, his teststerone diminishes. Marriage changes every man once they have children to take care of. A majority of men become soft with their kids are born. Your aunt was just another typical AWALT scenerio. I feel bad for your family.

[–]bobaisdope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What a fucking horror story...

[–]newName5434561 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Daily reminder:

Don't get married

[–]nastyamerican1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What frame didn’t he hold? The one where he treated his family like human beings? I don’t get it. Anyone who offs himself has way bigger problems than holding frame.

[–]dumbkidaccount3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry but i think this story is fake

You went way too far lol

[–]lehappyjuice3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

What are you talking about fucking retard? I'm feeling that you blame your uncle and the only person to blame here is your aunt.

She is a disgusting and pathetic human being and she deserves a long long death in agony and pain

Jesus. Hold frame lmao

[–]Gargantuar010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If the uncle was RP he would have nexted her as she most likely showed red flags.

[–]djaffar09-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If true that he was away from home for long durations then I wouldn't blame the woman.. It's easier to sympathize with her if you reverse the situation

[–]lehappyjuice3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you stupid?

He was away to make money and the dream life for his family. If he stayed more at home then the wife would have said he is no ambitious enough and she would monkey branched with a richer beta bucks and then you would blame him again.

Really, you are all so wrong in many levels that I can't even believe we are the same species.

[–]CapnPoot5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

How is the lesson to “hold frame”? This guy held the ultimate frame by being a boss executive...

The lesson here is that marriage is a bad deal. There is literally nothing to stop a woman from breaking the contract of marriage, and being rewarded for it.

[–]BaronIncognito13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

He held frame professionally but didn’t hold frame in his personal life.

[–]CapnPoot7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is the paradox I dont understand. A guy has to be super alpha, but not too alpha that he gives his girl an excise to cheat. Even then, theres more hamstering that can come into play. The reality is that if a girl is the type to cheat (which is 99% of girls in the right circumstance), then they will cheat, and use any rationale to justify it.

[–]Winnertony4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

He wasn't true a Alpha. He was a smart Beta, that managed to fanagle-master his industry. Can happen in a "civilized," risk-adverse, or highly rule-driven idustry. Finance? Accounting? Logistics? Software developer?

[–]CapnPoot5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I dont see one instance where this guys uncle acted beta. Truthfully, ive seen and heard this happening to even alpha dudes. The fact that dudes here are hamstering to say “he shoulda held frame” is kinda crazy. Sometimes a girl just wants more dick. It happens, even to alpha famous rich dudes.

[–]djaffar094 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's nothing alpha about not giving your wife enough time and dick...this is a classic betabux

[–]CapnPoot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Being busy and doing your work while not worrying about sex is pretty boss if you ask me. The girls that always come running at you are the ones who feel like you are indifferent. My point is that no matter how you act, you will get screwed, because “holding frame” only lasts as long as a girl decides not to just say fck it and cheat

[–]RedPilledRoaster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He bought a ton of shit for his family instead of solving the issue through disciplining them. This is beta.

[–]Thefirstofmykind 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

The lesson here is that murder is never off the table. Have an escape plan because they are not worth doing a life sentence. Never the less a woman does this to you, she belongs cut up in trash bags.

[–]Ctrain034 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’m seriously doubting the truth of this story.

[–]Enigma2218 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't. This happens all over the U.S. every single day.

[–]-Mavs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't read this.

There was a rich dude I argued with a while back about rich guys being ALL red pill; I told him I don't care what circle he runs in, guys like him can still fall in the category of cuck.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Must have had some woman on side.....couldn't be that blind to his wife's behavior. As for the kids, that's fuck up. The rich beta buck took care of an Alpha fucks kids. Sneaky bitch

[–]whoareyou310 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Eh idk if this has to do with frame. You literally said he worked 80+ hours a week. Anybody who works like that won't have time for anything else. If your wife started working 80 hours a week and didnt spend time with you, what would you do? The right thing to do is to divorce and then pursue other women, but let's be honest, most men will cheat in that situation.

Also why do you guys use hypergamy in a negative way to define women. Hypergamy benefits both parties you know? Men and women both get more sex with more partners due to hypergamy of society.

[–]micael_dias0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hypergamy hʌɪˈpəːɡəmi/ noun the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.

[–]Kingmat19990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for this.Never Get Married and if u want a kid,Do IVF and buy an egg.That way,U wont be divorce raped

[–]Hjalmbere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. It would seem it’s not a great idea to be in a serious LTR with kids if you’re working 80 hour weeks. Either work less or have the career but wait with the family until you’ve got enough time.

[–]Etherealfall0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How does not getting married solve anything? I'm from Australia and as soon as you and your LTR live together for over a period of time, you become defacto. Which means after awhile, you are essentially married in the eyes of family courts. Not being married doesn't solve this.

[–]RedPilledRoaster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That’s absurd. It isn’t that bad in the US yet. Don’t LTR then.

[–]conflagratorX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

From what I read he was a workoholic which covered his problems with excessive work. It's not wonder he got cheated if he was unavailable all the time and tried to fix family problems with money. I think retiring also contributed to his depression as problems he tried escape from by excessive work finally got him.

[–]Thistookmedays0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Being able to cover needs is one thing, one could argue feeling a need to make a whole bunch of money, dedicated your life to that and extract fake self-value from your money and materials is kind of pathetic.

'I will work very hard for all my life. When I'm finally rich.. I'll be able to live on the beach somewhere and fish all day' - Man who doesn't see he can do that right now - Michael Scott - Thistookmedays

[–]redeye_banana0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck that's a sad story. Too many men take their own lives....

[–]dtyler860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn, a girl I used to date had the almost identical thing happen to her dad (she had two brothers as well). The dad has since committed suicide after a huge fall from the top.

[–]VictxrSenpai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Cant turn a hoe into a housewife". In all honesty I hope their is a special karma for men or women who take advantage of others in this life with no consequences .

[–]mickymark10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hi Everyone,

I’m new to theRedPill. Is there a place where I can find the definitions? Ex: what does holding frame mean?



[–]manzaneg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m New to this what exactly do you mean by hold frame?

[–]mattizie0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Don't work hard; don't get money.

Work hard; lose your family.

[–]RedPilledRoaster0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Just don’t get married and you’ll be ok

[–]mattizie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Too late. But yeah, that does seem to be the general solution.

It's sad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you're not religious, don't bother getting married

Marriage is something founded in religion, so if you're not religious why even bother getting married? It means nothing!

This is why I wonder why gays want to make marriage legal. It just doesn't make sense.

Other thing is that community of property is the most oppressive invention of the State. The amount of destruction it causes is absolutely insane

[–]RedPilledRoaster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

On the subject of whose fault it really is, the man for not holding frame or the woman for taking half his shit and fucking him over...

Sure, if he held frame it wouldn’t have happened. But why the fuck aren’t women held to a moral standard? Do they even understand the concept of morality?

No, they don’t, and the way society treats women and promotes hypergamy, they won’t any time soon. Their concept of morality changes based on whichever alpha their frame is molded to. (Society can be an ‘alpha’ too in terms or rules/standards) Their number one goal is to survive, and will fuck over anyone they need to do so.


Don’t get fucking married in today’s world. If you do, you are a hamstering idiot. No questions asked.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Imagine how much better his life would have been if he never got married and just dated without commitment. His health would probably have been better, too -- surely it took a toll on his health working so much.

[–]Ctrain030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ya no doubt this story is “truthy”.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She also confessed that my two cousins weren’t my uncles biological sons, and since they were both grown adults, he basically paid for private school, college, new cars etc for two kids that weren’t his

It's a complete mystery to me why she isn't arrested and charged with fraud. Oh wait, female.

My aunt divorced raped him, took half of what he had, as he had no prenup, and told his sons they weren’t his.

It's unfathomable to me while a cheating cuckolding wife gets more money rather than having to repay what she previously gained through false representation.

All that was bc he simply neglected his family/priorities and didn’t hold any frame when it came to them

This isn't the reason. The reason is he negotiated himself into a financial shit hole that we call marriage.

[–]1Ill_Will70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In the end we all shall fall. prepare for that moment

[–]Pokeylaw[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I grew a poor fuck and still a poor fuck about to go to college. I couldn't fucking dream of just throwing money at anyone for then to like me even if there my kids, wife anyone

[–]volcanolairbadguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your uncle run goofed. Would sugar baby it up. Smash casually. Get sniped. Say nothing lol

[–]msyhak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My father always used to say: "Balance is important in life."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

why did he take his life without taking her with him holy shit!!!!!!!!!!! im fuming at this

[–]surfingjesus0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I don't really understand the logic of resenting your father for "not being around" when he's paying for everything you touch. I'm kinda jealous actually.

[–]kellykebab8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Possessions don't replace an actual relationship. What's hard to understand?

[–]surfingjesus0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Oh how romantic of you. My father is the exact opposite of OPs uncle. All the "time" in the world and minimal financial support. That might work out if your father is like Bruce Lee or some other enlightened personality type, but that couldn't be further from who I'm talking about.

[–]mickymark12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There, of course, needs to be a balance on both ends.

[–]RedPilledRoaster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well then you don’t have possessions or knowledge on your side. Too bad.

At least you aren’t/weren’t spoiled. A man has to make his way in the world, and if you’re taught this from a young age you will know the world doesn’t owe you shit.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Okay. Obviously, having a good relationship with your dad is dependent on him being worthy of respect and a good leader and getting along well with you. I certainly didn't mean to say that you can be a good dad just by having free time.

[–]supernaturalsecrets0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a sad but important story. I'm glad you shared it with everyone. There are more lessons here, like exactly how did it lead to a suicide. Wow. This isn't the first time I've heard of this happening to a guy that tried to "build his house"....

Hoping someone young can learn from this story.

Good luck everyone, you gonna need it.

[–]Compeliminator0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

he should have warmed that gun up on her before he turned it on himself.

[–]Hjalmbere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great way of making sure his first two kids really hate him.

[–]gbdoragnic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your uncle was a nice guy, you see nice guys aren't the guy who gets mad when rejected, he isn't lazy, he isn't some guy jacking off to porn, he is a hard worker, he puts his emotions out of the equations.

The real kids father was chad, a loser who didn't want to take care of his kids, probably some bum with no money, this is why newbies here need to get this ideal out of their head that Alpha means good and nice guy means fake and bad.

In short most guys here are still nice guy (TM), if you don't have money, career, and love to take care of people, you can never achieve betabux, in short if you have too choose between A good career, respecting women, or no career, and disrespecting women, I think we know the correct choice

[–]Moataz_Mattar-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That story is very extreme

[–]throwawy_12262017-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would entertain the notion that there may be a bit more to this story. Don't underestimate your uncle. Maybe some portion of his 14-hr "work" day was dedicated to, uh, nobler pursuits? He may have had more game than you were aware of. That said, the moral of the story is seared into my brain.

[–]Bc_Land0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Quite possible that he was working those hours to avoid his wife. I took that route for a very long time. Made plenty money, lost plenty time with the kids. Intolerable woman, she did everything to push my beta ass away while continuing to let me fund her life. I don't know why I put up with it for so long. Then I realized that she was covering her tracks when she started talking about having "so many emotions going on in her head" and the sex suddenly got very abundant after years spent in the arctic zone. Where was trp 30 years ago?

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