TL:DR - The hamster quickly reframed the issue from on-court coaching and code violations into a woman's victim issue, totally throwing out the rulebook. Talk of sollipsism and shaming tactics!
Tennis is one of the best sports you can watch if you want to know what great champions are made of. A lot of masculine lessons can be learnt from it - mental strength, dealing with one emergency after another, what to do when things don't go your way, how to live right on the limit of controlled power and intensity, what separates the greatest from the merely very good, and more. The mind of a player is palpable in a match. It's an individual sport, so you're responsible and can't blame anyone else.
A peculiar thing about tennis is that, even the tiniest percentages in performance make for a very significant difference as seen on court, matches have been lost where the first player had match points and couldn't close it out, and the 2nd fought back. Close matches can be separated by as little as 1 point in 150, and the best players do that extra part consistently better than others.
So tennis is in fact one of the best sports to highlight the differences between men and women, where the 15-20% difference between men's and women's at peak performance (we're comparing the best of both, not the median or mode, otherwise that gap would be a lot bigger) can put them in 2 other universes of performance. Just watch John Isner serving at less than full power against WTA players as an example.
So for a change, I watch the US Open women's final yesterday. Half way through, Serena's coach is accused of coaching during play and the umpire Carlos Ramos gives her a code violation for receiving coaching during the match (her coach actually admitted to it btw and hamstered that 'everyone does it' - so this wasn't just pulled out of the umpire's ass). Later on she got another penalty for racket abuse as well and finally a 3rd one that cost her a game for yet another spat. As per the rules, a second violation gives you a point penalty and a 3rd consecutive one gives a game penalty. A 4th (which didn't happen) is disqualification from the match.
Just open up Youtube and see for yourself what happened after the 2nd penalty.
She went nuclear, basically accused the chair umpire of insulting her character (projection), calling him sexist, a liar, a thief, partial to men doing worse things (nope, I've been watching men's tennis, and even Nick Kyrgios isn't this bad, and yes men do get penalized).
She makes it into an issue of her being a woman and being black and what not, threatens the umpire that she'll ruin his career and that he owes her an apology. Eventually when everything failed, she starts the waterworks - makes it all about discrimination and victimhood (the ego loves victimhood, it's the hamster's best weapon), that she's a mother and has a daughter, wow. And when it was all over she claimed that she'll continue fighting for equality.
“I just feel like the fact that I have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions, and that want to express themselves, and want to be a strong woman. They’re going to be allowed to do that because of today,” Williams said. “Maybe it didn’t work out for me, but it’s going to work out for the next person.” -- that's what the issue of on court coaching finally got re-framed into.
She also melted down in 2009 after the umpire gave her a double fault for stepping over the line while serving, and was disqualified for threatening the line judge.
Men usually argue with line calls, late challenges, time violations on serve, medical timeouts, illogical decisions and things related to the game. Usually men smash rackets (like Baghdatis, Dimitrov, Safin, and Paire smashed all their spare rackets and forfeited - and for some reason it actually becomes hilarious when overdone).
Women however, always make it about them (sollipsism) and their victim cards.
You know what's worse than this? Check out the twitter reactions. Google highlights these in my search results specifically. The hamsters are unbelievable.
"... Serena Williams didn't have a meltdown. She defended her honor on one of the grandest stages in a sport she's dominated for her entire adult life that continually disrespects her. Don't reduce her justified frustration to sexist behavioral stereotypes ..."
"... (2/2) When a woman is emotional, she’s “hysterical” and she’s penalized for it. When a man does the same, he’s “outspoken” & and there are no repercussions. Thank you, @serenawilliams, for calling out this double standard. More voices are needed to do the same..."
"...The hypocrisy of the umpire to penalize @serenawilliams in a sport that celebrated the antics of John McEnroe and Ilie Nastace is a blatant display of sexism #usopen..." - seriously just how does this shit pass muster?
McEnroe has been disqualified from matches and penalized numerous times. David Nalbandian was disqualified for kicking a line judge (unintentionally yes, but he apologized). Even Federer has been booed for breaking a racket. Andy Murray has melted down a lot until 2016, and he's been plastered for it. Djokovic would have nearly been disqualified from the French open in 2016 (which he eventually won) as his racket came within inches of hitting a line judge. The thing is that the men are aware enough not to get 3 code violations (which results in a game loss).
The worst meltdown I've ever seen was when Victor Troicki went mental over whether or not the ball fell on the line (and even there it wasn't as personal - there was no Hawkeye and it turned out he was right). Safin holds a world record, having smashed nearly a thousand rackets (it sounds funny now though). Hot head Fabio Fognini was kicked out of the US open in 2017 with a $24,000 fine for verbally abusing an umpire (a woman in fact), and lost all his prize money (over $72000) and points as well, and was hit with a 2 grand slam ban (ouch!) - but he apologized later and accepted he'd behaved unacceptably. Nadal is one player who never melts down - he hasn't even broken a racket till date.
However, regardless of what google says, at least Youtube commenters have more sense. The thing here however, is that google search results are becoming biased now. As if the media wasn't enough.
Meanwhile, Osaka, the winner, was reduced to tears at the end despite having won her first grand slam. Well, she's Japanese and shows conventional femininity. The crowd didn't treat her well, and she's not a Djokovic that she can just shrug it off with stoicism.
The umpire, Carlos Ramos, who's officiated both the men's and women's matches at all 4 grand slams, kept frame throughout, didn't say much about it, but admitted he stayed indoors for a few days for his own safety. And he didn't get a shred support from anyone, zero. Well, now they've apologized to him, but the whole apology thing was 'hush-hush', behind closed doors, nowhere near the publicity level of the comments made to him.
So typical isn't it...AWALT! The umpire argued with a strong independent woman, and the result was spectacular.
And the man got absolutely no support nor sympathy, was called names regardless of his standing and was essentially left to fend for himself. Even the apology wasn't made in public.
And before we say double standards, it takes 3 code violations in a row to be docked a game penalty. If this wasn't Serena's 3rd violation in a row, it wouldn't have happened. So much for rules. Once emotions are involved, women throw out the rule book.
It also serves to prove a point that I first came across in a "A billion wicked thoughts". Women with higher testosterone can often act more masculine and outdo other women, but this also turns them into AWALT on steroids, boosting all their feminine behaviours as well. The result is volatile. I have an aunt who I swear must belong to this category. It's like that girl inside is bottled up and comes out explosively.
And the worst part about tennis isn't even this incident. It's the fact that women get equal pay for playing 3 set matches matches that are shorter than the entire 4th set between Dominic Thiem and Rafael Nadal in the quarterfinal. In fact if I was being truly fair, I say that the fact women don't play 5 set matches means you never see the legendary battles and comebacks that you see in men's tennis, which are on a whole other category of epic and that's the real problem with women's tennis - there are no epic matches. The days of Graf's generation are long gone. Even technically the men are far superior to the women right now as well.
Maria Sharapova or Billie Jean King came up with a shit test that men also need to play only 3 sets in Grand Slams when asked about it, and it doesn't take a genius to understand that this would completely pull down the sport and make grand slams irrelevant. I think BJK even claimed that the AO final between Djokovic and Nadal took a year off their careers -- well, they're still playing at the top. That is what female egalitarianism does to societies in the long run.
I don't hate women players -- I just wanted to point out that AWALT is an inescapable reality despite what an egalitarian society popularly likes to believe in, if anything, in today's climate it's gotten worse. This incident became a good example of what happens when you start arguing with a woman - the issue of on court coaching aside, it very quickly veered off that, descended into shaming tactics, got real personal and another reason to claim victimhood, sexism, etc. And it's very good mileage for the media. This instant ability to reframe an event into victimhood is an excellent tactic, one that totally took the focus away from being a sporting event and into a women's issue and also totally took the focus away from her opponent, who won.
In consolation, there's the men's final between Djokovic and Del Potro tomorrow, and I am sure I will not be disappointed.
EDIT : And it was an excellent final - that 2nd set was longer than the entire women's final! Djokovic is back, and now he's on par with Pete Sampras. He's equivalent to playing against a wall on the other side now that can also attack, with inhuman flexibility and defense - but I wonder when the crowd will ever start to like him.
The only problem with that match? My SJW friend (a girl) posts about Del Potro crying and says "It's ok for men to cry" ... and a bunch of guys totally approve, one even admitting how he's mastered the waterworks. I wrote "Bullcrap" - no reply yet. Society now has gone beyond 'feminine correct' -- it now believes that feminine expressions are the only ones in existence at all.
EDIT : As it turns out, the statistics reveal a completely different story altogether - men players are penalized 3 times as much as women, and outnumber women 8x in the racket smashing department, but in the coaching department, women are penalized twice as much!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/09/13/carlos-ramos-returns-chair-serena-williams-row-statistics-back/
That's more proof of the reality of RP human behaviour right there.
PS : Guys, Serena Williams' husband is the co-founder of reddit... just hope this doesn't get TRP shut down.
Youtube reactions:
" Serena had to make some tough decisions on the court. Do I use the race card or the gender card? "
" What an arrogant, conceited unsporting woman! Her behaviour is a disgrace to the sport. Tragic that Osaka for playing the most phenomenal match had to hear the stadium booing and will not make the headlines tomorrow. And no Serena, it does not 'always happen' to you here. The last time it happened it was because you threatened to kill the lineswoman and shove a ball down her throat. Stop playing victim! "
And the best one:
" Women and men are equal so these women should be playing 3 out of 5 sets just like men. IN fact, its very wrong that they get paid the same as men for doing LESS work. "
You know what's worse? Women claiming that men should also play only 3 setters in grand slams. Shit test, shit test, shit test...
Yep. It's a perfect example of women pushing society towards degeneration.
i.e. pushing men's tennis to be weaker, with less endurance, simply because that's where women are at in terms of athleticism.
it's like a race to the bottom type mentality. ultimately, it's crabs in a bucket:
"gee, I suck, I can't do hard stuff. therefore you shouldn't either because it makes me look bad!"
Extreme masculine societies try to take over and explode, extreme feminine societies implode and get taken over.
The difference between Youtube and Twitter is that youtube has anonymous up-votes, and in twitter upvotes (retweets or likes) are not anonymous.
This shows that the majority of people can see through women's garbage, but in twitter they are afraid (and rightly so) of the feminist inquisition, so only feminist tweets get upvoted.
However they have no problem anonymously upvoting youtube comments.
Social media is feminine 7th heaven.
Someone wrote this article and amazingly, amazingly, he was allowed to get it published : https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/107265035/mark-reason-serenas-sexism-reflects-americas-culture-of-misandry
How is that even possible today?
That is the right idea, applied incorrectly. They aren't clocking in for a shift at the warehouse.
Pay in pro sports should be based on largely on income generation. If the commercials during the ladies match generate the same amount of revenue then they deserve equal pay. I suspect the women do not generate the same income, but have no interest in flushing out the statistics.
Great quotes, except the last one. In Tennis, men get paid substantially more prize money than women.
the payment is similar for Grand Slam & Premier tournaments
How the fuck is it sexist when it’s benefiting another woman...............
rational debate vs emotional debate
Because a woman’s feminism doesn’t include other races.
Asians fall similar to whites on the progresisve stack.
Her opponent was an asian woman, and therefore below her on the oppression pyramid.
The oppresion pyramid... I think I just peed myself.
And everyone below you on your pyramid.
only half asian. Half black.
Solipsism means that "no one but me" can be at the top of that one...
Damn I never thought of this before. Excellent!
eh, I watched a pile of highlights and didn't see anything about race come up. It was all about being a woman and how as a mother she'd never cheat
How can racism only be one directional?
Because everything that ends in "ism" is assumed to be one way. It's part of the victim culture. A pretence of equality while being designed to give special privileges to only one group.
Black people are not racist. And the greatest lie of all: women are not sexist.
Speaking of sexist -- Women and other women...dear god. Much of the shaming of women is in fact a feminine invention.
Right.
Slut-shaming from women is them trying to maintain the price of the one thing they offer men.
There's always a selfish motive that they try to hide behind "doing good for other women".
The classic "she has low self esteem" means "I would like her to stop devaluing my pussy by charging so little for hers".
Of course women will never accept any responsibility for their own actions so men have to be blamed somehow - regardless of how convoluted the reasoning.
it all depends on where you fall on the oppression scale developed by the feminzi's. Don't fall for the BP BS.
when it's against what a woman wants and it's a man doing it - it's sexist regardless of what "it" is.
Because she feels that the Male athletes are held to a different standard, not that her opponent is getting an advantage she isn't.
Also JFL at OP calling Tennis one of the masculine sports, fuck no. Boxing, MMA, Rugby, Football, Basketball all are far more masculine.
Football is all about bending the rules and tactically fouling as much as possible in order to get the upper edge. There's no honour or masculinity in high-stakes football, it's a covert, acted, psychologically feminine game, and the players are often man-children, they could never handle the pressure of the average tennis match.
Unless you meant NFL which is even gayer. A true farce.
Tennis is similiar to boxing, Man vs Man, Will vs Will, no one to rely on, no one else to blame, can't cheat; only the best, strongest, fastest, most enduring survive. You've obviously never watched top-tier tennis before, if you did you'd see the sheer force and power oozing out of the men on the court.
I also love the sheer power and force “oozing” out of men
"NFL is gay"
"I love lapping up that sheer manliness oozing down the tennis court"
:|
I'm simply saying women's tennis. However I do agree about tennis being a great sport, it's one on one competition. Men's tennis that is. I stick with football being the greatest sport of all time. It truly seperated that the wheat from the chaff.
It truly seperates the wheat from the chaff*
I agree with you here, but I think boxing and MMA is too much about show and other non-sense, they dont go in with their heart and often I think both boxers are fine with the outcome that seems pre-determined. Like mayweather - mcgregor. No1 actually believes fights like these are legitimate, do they?
Boxing and MMA have flagrant problems with poor judging and rule-bending.
Wrestling is the purest combat sport. There's no showmanship or vanity in wrestling, and the better man always wins the match.
Reminded me of Eminem's take on it:
"In football the quarterback yells out hutt-hutt While he reaches in another grown man's ass"
NFL football is 'gay?'
either you didn't play, or you think the violent collisions (with tremendous speed) that happens on that field could be easily handled by you.
boxing is the most brutal sport, physically & mentally. tennis doesn't compare.
No point in getting into a pissing match, each sport has their unique fucking characteristics
just tell any nfl or collegiate player that the sport is soft... and you think it's gay. that's your pissing match.
It's pretty soft tbh. Add in all these stoppages make for such boring viewing.
Go watch Aussie Rules for a proper oval ball sport. Non-stop action and players have no protection at all.
It's boring and slow, so much stopping and maneuvering, might be interesting to play when you're on the field but a real snooze to watch as a spectator.
It's exactly like Cricket. If your spectators need to memorise a huge rulebook to understand the game, and set-pieces and coach input is the standard, is it really a sport, or a theatrical play?
Football is geared around taking the biggest and fastest guys -Fodder for the grid iron combat- and having one or two true thinkers dictate the pace.
Football's closest allegory is open field warfare: only the generals write the outcomes.
Tennis is closer to boxing than football is. The masculine part doesn't come from the player sizes or abilities (those are top tier at this level) but from the 1v1 battle of wills.
Football isn't soft or gay, but I don't think it's high on the manliest sport considering none of the players, save for a select few, can actually make outcome-effecting decisions.
In tennis, like boxing, when the player fails, there is no other blame but his own... No one to pick up your failures, no one to carry your bad day, no one to replace you when you go down. If you fail in boxing or tennis, you're done. Fail in football and 10 other guys can make do. Or you get replaced by the next string.
In tennis you are the next string
tldr: team sport vs individual sport.
football is fast and violent as hell. when you're physically beat on then tired, your mental stability gets tested.
tennis... you hit a ball. football... a 240 lb linebacker hits you.
And then you have Australian Football, which the yank "football" players complained about when they played a few games because it was "too rough".
American Football is a contempory juxtaposition of Slavery mixed with Gladiator sport in entertainment form. A bunch of "players" working in the field in a Colloseum like stadium taking orders from their "master" coach. It's a shit game.
if its not gay, why do all the NFL players date transvestites?
boxing looks like a ballet compared to MMA
You know what? Football (⚽️ not 🏈) is probably the exception that proves the rule. While the men’s game at every level is littered with pansy asses flopping over the slightest touch dozens of times in a typical match, the women play hard through significant contact in an effort to develop an advantage and score legitimately. As an American, I actually enjoy watching women’s soccer, while I can’t take five minutes of the men’s game. I sincerely believe that the U.S. Women’s National Team could best more than a few men’s teams, especially our own.
I don't get how you watch womens soccer. The women keepers cannot handle crosses and routine shots and soft crosses regularly bounce off their hands. I also understand the athletic disadvantage women have but I don't know why tactically and skill wise they are so far behind the guys.
These divers in the male game do come across like bitches, but also they're doing it to get tiny little advantages. Selling a fake foul and getting your team a freekick in a dangerous spot can win games. They are so competitive they are willing to sacrifice their dignity in front of the world to get the W. Yes it looks ugly sometimes but it is what it is.
Basketball players also dive and regularly fake fouls too. It's the same shit, different sport.
Like I said, the constant stopping for these ridiculous fake fouls completely ruins it for me. I’d rather watch the women play as hard as they can than a bunch of pansies alternating between amazing athletic performances and acting like they’re getting murdered whenever someone touches them. I understand why they do it. What I don’t get is why they don’t just make taking a flop a yellow card for the first infraction and a red card for the second. That would stop it right there and dramatically improve the watchability of the game.
Basketball? Yeah, I don’t enjoy pro ball for lots of reasons, including the one you cited. College ball is better in that respect, I think.
That's why I stopped watching basketball and NFL. They break the rules and foul every single play, the ref just decides when they want to call it or not. It's all about marketing and ratings, not putting on a fair game between athletes.
NBA is the most rigged sport in the world, NFL is not far behind it and neither is soccer.
I like playing sports these days more than wasting time investing in the bread and circus distraction that is Pro Sportsball League.
The men play as hard as they can every play too. The women keepers can't even stop routine crosses and their tactics are high school boys level. You are just parroting Skip Bayless lol.
That's something I realized. When people "talk sports around the water cooler" they are just parroting what they saw last night on sportscenter 99% of the time.
I never understood why grown men buy shirts with another mans name on their back, but to each their own.
lol how can you enjoy womens soccer when they are so unbelievably untalented. I have actually played with womens best soccer player (Pernille Harder) and I OUTSHINE her in every category, im better on the ball, im more physical, im stronger, i shoot the ball better, she is not better than me on any single parameter and im not even a tier 10 player in my country. Womens soccer is so garbage you could take the #1000 ranked Under-15 team and they would smack the 11 best women. And other sports are like this too. Caroline Wozniacki one of the best female tennis players got smoked by a local guy in the tennis club who isnt even playing professionally and wouldnt rank top 5000 in the world.
You wouldn't last one play in an American Football game you faggot.
Oh man, losing your frame to an internet stranger lmao
Anyone who cares about "frame" is a beta cuck.
And how many of us play at the top level? I play competitive tennis and it isn't a very masculine sport. Now is it a chess match? Mental? Strategic? Yes, absolutely. But my large frame and ability to bench press double my opponent means absolutely nothing on that court
Sounds like you don't know shit about american football
It very quickly got reframed from an on court coaching issue into a women's victimization issue.
This is going to end with only female umpires for women's tennis, watch.
Can confirm. I play tennis regularly but in no way is it masculine. Physical strength means little on the court compared to technique, speed, endurance, etc. and there is zero physical contact
I saw a post on changmyview that asked this exact same thing. The response was:
One interpretation is that it is benefiting a woman who is comporting herself with "proper" feminine decorum at the expense of a woman who is being more assertive.
Ridiculous that breaking rules is being equated with a woman being “assertive”
yeah, it's fuckin crazy as hell.
instead of comparing herself to something relevant: her competitor... she brought up people who aren't even in the match! (men). and yet, she's wrong about statistics-- i read an article recently which had an infographic about variosu penalties, comparing men to women. men still received a higher ratio of penalties in practically every (if not every) category, and more overall on top of that.
she's completely full of shit and will say anything.
Also, I completely agree with the "Women with testosterone are more aggressive" concept-- totally true. They're more impulsive and less able to control their emotions.
I felt sorry for Osaka. She had the greatest achievement of her life overshadowed by the enormous ego of Williams. First, Williams' behaviour was a disgrace. Journalists are glossing over it somewhat by claiming she called the chair umpire a "thief" - rather, she repeatedly insulted his character and integrity across a number of games, and had a full-blown tantrum. She was later proven to be a liar, which also makes her a cheat.
It goes to show how low society's standards are for women when such people's actions are defended. An umpire who did his job, against sustained bullying and intimidation, who crucially was proven to be right, is held up as the villain while the diva is treated as the victim. Meanwhile, the rightful winner, who thrashed Williams, and just about everyone else she played at the tournament, ends up in tears because a foul woman stole her moment away from her.
Modern women.
This exactly...
Osaka played well, which only threatened Serena and got her unhinged, which required her coach to illegally provide guidance from the stands. She got called on it and the rest is just a melt-down of embarrassments to Serena's career.
I don’t know. Ms. Osaka played great, made her shots and kept her composure throughout the match. When the pressure was on, she won three straight games, including two consecutive service breaks, after going down 3-1 in the second set. That was what triggered Serena’s meltdown.
She did everything right, and deconstructed, both physically and mentally, a veteran opponent. It was a tremendous accomplishment on one of the sport of tennis’s biggest stages, and her opponent’s on-court, petulant-brat behavior does not diminish Osaka’s accomplishment one bit.
Not only that, but I think Osaka’s post match reaction, to having just won the US Open, was pretty normal. I probably would have reacted the same way
This is also one of the highest rated tennis umpires in the game. He didn't get there by making bad calls.
And he handled it well. As a wise man once told me, “You don’t ever need to raise your voice during an argument that you can’t lose.”
Twitter is literally hamstering it away. At least the google sponsored tweets.
Imagine working every day to the full extent your body can handle, having to convince friends and family that you mean business, that you're passionate, having to compete with every other person in your immediate training circles, waking up every day with a goal and purpose and having the willpower to stick with it even if you plateau. Imagine feeling the exhilaration of your first win. And then your second. And then disappointment in yourself at your first big loss, finding the courage to keep going, to get back up, and to fight like hell all the way to the grand final to face off against the person who inspired you to be who you are today. And then to be robbed of the opportunity to win or lose on your merit because the greatest female tennis player to ever live had to have a tantrum.
So Osaka defeated the greatest woman's tennis player of all time to win the US Open at 20 years of age, and did so in such a dominating fashion that she caused Serena to mentally break down.
Sounds like all that hard work paid off. I doubt she feels slighted here.
That's a good way to look at it, I suppose. But we have the observer's advantage, I doubt she could have taken that perspective while in the match.
I'm pretty sure Osaka was simply happy to win the US open and is not concerned with this telenovela the US media is trying to sell.
Serena was melting down because she was getting dominated by a younger and hotter version of herself. So she had to hamster herself in to being a victim of discrimination.
Have you seen the video? She gets Boo'd in the first thirty seconds and when asked a question later in the video Naomi Apologizes for winning in the manner that she did while in tears. This combined with the original vid of Serena going off at the Umpire makes for a pretty tragic watch.
Serena is an old used up hamster whose time is at an end. I am sure Naomi will win many more titles.
Look at all the white knights white knighting for Serena, that's sad. Serena made it all about her but some how turned herself in to a victim martyr despite her being entirely in the wrong the entire time.
Osaka should not have apologized. Williams losing by tantrum is the equivalent of "you can't fire me, I quit."
Shameful display by Williams.
Youre wrong then, she wasnt "simply happy about winning" she was extremely apologetic about having won, why do you talk about the match if you didnt see it? She cried and apologized to serena (which is beyond absurd when serena should apologize to her) and serena got the crowd to turn on Osaka so Osaka was so sad about the entire match and the fashion she won in. Even though she was 10x a better player than Williams, Williams managed to make it about "ME ME ME ME ME ME" and destroy what it could have been for Osaka. So if you think that Osaka is simply happy to win the US Open then you are incredibly misinformed and didnt watch the game, she was extremely apologetic about having murdered Williams on the court which she should never have been if Williams hadnt destroyed the moment for her.
She did feel slighted, though. She was apologetic about having won which is absurd. Osaka was in TEARS (and not tears of joy) she was crying because serena and the crowd was against her and the moment had been ruined. Everyone should feel so bad for Osaka. The moment was completely ruined because of this piece of trash woman that is Williams. It shouldve been the greatest moment of her life and it proved to be a disaster.
Going off on a tangent a bit, but I think Steffi Graf still has a strong claim to be the best of all-time. While she won fewer grand slams (by 1 at the moment), she was equally dominant on all surfaces, in an era when the transition from clay to grass was much harder than it has been in the last decade. Plus she won every slam in a single year. Maybe I just don't like Serena much, though.
There was an exhibition match of Steffi and Hingis long after Steffi retired (about 6 years back). Her movement and technique are in another category even now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvoUzYhV8fs
Seles had beaten Steffi in raw power, but after that stabbing incident she wasn't mentally the same. Steffi also could have won more, but it took a toll on her knees. She was done by 30 IIRC.
My favorite was when she told the umpire "Don't talk to me!"...and then moments later proceeded to KEEP TALKING SHIT.
She fucking lost her shit and deserved to lose, plain and simple.
I was watching this at a bar (it was the only thing on). Williams behavior was disgraceful. Here you have a woman, who has dominated her sport, has ensured she will be a legend for years on end, and she was losing. Yeah, legends lose sometimes. Sometimes Babe Ruth strikes out, sometimes someone hits a homer off of Nolan Ryan. It happens, but if there is one thing that annoys me most, it's when people are classless in defeat. That is what Williams was, classless. Osaka played her butt off, she idolized this woman, she deserved a helluva lot more respect than what she got. Instead, you get people saying what Williams did was A-OK. Well, it wasn't ok, not at all.
As fans we all complain about the referee's when our team loses. "Ah the referee's botched that call!" It's fine for us as fans, but imagine if some NFL player goes on a massive tirade screaming at a referee. There would be articles calling him a sore loser and crybaby. Serena doesn't get the same treatment, hmm, I wonder why.
I lost it when she played the sexism card.
The sexism thing is ridiculous considering that she also cited her motherhood status to the ref as a reason she should win a point:
"Don't treat me differently because I'm a woman but award me a point because I gave birth through my vagina."
This is such blatant hypocrisy.
Oh that's so AWALT. You know, if there was ever one thing that ever cemented why you never take women's statements seriously, this is it.
I had to go online to research and found that McEnroe was disqualified from a Grand Slam tournament for verbal abuse to a chair umpire years ago.
These people talking about sexism seem to be concocting things out of thin air and then disregarding any facts that don't fit their agenda.
inb4 this thread gets censored by reddit bosses.
Im truly surprised trp is still going strong
I hope they've archived everything somewhere.
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So people can reas your long pointless diatribes in the future? Dude, GO OUTSIDE. The computer is fucking with your head.
so 6-12 months from now when the hive mind moves onto other hypocritical bullshit. They can't pretend like this never happened in an attempt to white wash their terrible antics when they try to push a narrative. Archiving this shit is a necessity at this point.
That's what certain people said about books before thy started burning them. "Nothing of use in there just burn them!"
Reddit's co-founder is Serena Williams' husband? Yikes, didn't know that. Should read the news better.
More like read the news in general. Because that was a major headline, so you've probably been living under a rock the last few years.
Serena Williams having a cuckold boyfriend has to be the most irrelevant headline ever, to be fair... I only learned about it on Reddit.
"Cuckold" husband who is gave you this medium to voice your opinions, who also is, and likely will always be, more successful than you.
Keep bashing others, bro.
i.e her husband? 😬
She just kept trying to shame the umpire repeating “ YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY!” x 100 no argument or logic just hopping she can shame him into admitting he was wrong (even tho he wasn’t lol)
Not only that she said -DO IT almost like an order. Nopoints for guessing the outcome if genders were reversed.
Check out what happened to Fabio Fognini.
It's a weird day when a post on TRP agrees with a post on the same subject on TwoX
What's really funny is how people really assume that she is really the best tennis player ever and that she would stand a change against men. When her and Venus got shat on by the number 203 male player at the time (who a few weeks later was demoted to 600s).
https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcprxDdAdeE
John Isner, serving at 80% of his max. But that's 6'10' John Isner we're talking about. Still Federer could also easily out ace any one of them.
The best part is he played them both in the same afternoon (1 set each), and whilst they were out on the training court preparing that morning, he played a round of golf and then had a couple of beers!
I love that story. Hopefully next time I hear about women and men being the same, I'll bring up this shit.
They earn the same amount despite playing only best of 3.
Men tennis is way harder bo5.
Consider this - the 4th set between Dominc Thiem and Nadal was longer than any women's grand slam match in the US Open - those guys were destroying the ball with a ferocity of another level. In those brutal conditions. And when the tie breaker in the 5th is gone, it gets crazy. This Wimbledon we had 2 crazy matches (Federer vs Anderson) and Anderson vs Isner (again), and the Djokovic - Nadal match went the full distance as well - two bull elephants at it. A 3 setter doesn't come close.
The longest grand slam final was the australian open final.
6 hours of back and forth between Novak and Nadal. It was absolutely brutal.
Men should be paid more if they were only playing 1 game. Because the level of that game is infinitely higher than a womens 3 sets. its not even funny. It doesnt have anything to do with the length of the match (3 sets vs 5 sets) it has something to do with men being infinitely better than women.
You should check out those Island survival videos on YouTube. A Swede TV show did one and so did Bear Grylls
She is definitely the best female tennis player ever, largely because her strength has never been matched by another pro female player. Any men's player in the top 200 would beat her with ease though so it's completely ludicrous of anyone to say that she's the "best athlete ever" or "best tennis player of all time" and your example proves it.
Navratilova is the best all round female tennis player in history. She tops most of the tennis records set.
If Serena was playing during the Martina, Chrissy era she would have less than a quarter of her grand slam wins. Serena is not an intelligent player, Martina and Chrissy would have exploited Serena's weaknesses which are many. This current crop of women players have no grit or composure. Most of the other players have no more than 1 grand slam to their names. Serena is a beneficiary of a poor group of players in her generation.
Compare that to the current mens game where you have 3 GOATS playing against each other for many years and have amassed the majority of titles between them. 3 other non GOATS (Murray, Warwinka, Cilic) have a few grand slam titles over the last 10 some years between them. Murray and Warwinka will also be hall of fame inductees. It's really unbelievable.
Here we go with the ifs, God I can't stand haters. She is one of the best tennis player in history deal with it. When people don't like a successful person they come up with all silly excuses as to why those people are successful. I had to listen how Brock lesnar was champion during a time of weak athletes. You share the same silly excuses because someone is at a position you don't attribute with said person but they are and the is nothing you can do but offer silly excuses.
Yes she is one of the best in history. You cannot label her a GOAT because her competition is awful. She is the best player in a generation of woeful competition.
What exactly is it going to do to say the same dumb reason I said you and your kind say. We have heard it too many times. You just bieng hateful and it's sad and pathetic.
martina was VERY masculine.
I don't think so. She worked very hard to have the perfect body for tennis. She was still winning titles up until 2006, madness.
her voice is deeper than yours. chris evert lloyd was the perfect balance of skill and a feminine look.
She is most definitely not the best female tennis player ever. In fact, she is painful to watch. She is inconsistent on the court and in her win-loss ratios, and she is undoubtedly the queen of the unforced errors. Twenty years in the sport and I still see her hitting off her back foot.
You compare Serena's winners to unforced errors ratio to that of Stefi Graf's and Stefi blows her out of the water; Stefi, who had an 81-3 year during one of her dominant years as champion. Translate that record to any other sport. It's an unheard of stat in any sport at any time in history. Only Michael Jordan's Bulls have ever had a similar record afaik.
Saying Serena Williams is the best female tennis player is like saying Shaquille O'Neal is the best basketball player ever. I mean, a case can be made for that but is he really? Or is he just big? Is Serena just a big tennis player? I argue that she is, because her technique and her stats don't match that of a champion.
I would much rather watch Stefi Graf or Justine Henin or Kim Clijsters play than I would Serena, just like I would rather watch Hakeem Olajuwan, Michael Jordan, or Kobe Bryant play over Shaq.
No, Serena is not the greatest tennis female player ever; she's only the biggest.
Martina Navratilova was the GOAT.
Yes, that's the real debate. Props to you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html
What about Arsenal going unbeaten in the premier league?
Ah, I know next to nothing about Premiere Soccer
I see what you're saying. Shaq should have been the GOAT, but he was a lazy piece of shit (through his own admission).
I don't know that much about tennis to truly comment, but Serena has more wins then any woman no? That's the difference between your shaq anology. Shaq doesn't have the stats and rings to be considered the GOAT.
Serena does
Shaq has four rings and plenty of MVP's. I'm not up to date on basketball stats but that's pretty good. My point was, however, that when it comes to Serena, you can't teach size. Which is fine; it shouldn't work against her. It's just the number of unforced errors and her bad footwork, in general, that make her awful. Yes, she's literally powered through her career, but it wasn't fun to watch, and it wasn't technical, which is important in tennis. I don't know how to communicate why that's important or how to compare that to another sport. Maybe pitchers are similar? Yes, size matters, but doesn't technique matter as well? I know it does in other sports. It's just that it matters more in tennis, I think, because it's not just once at bat, because it's more visible than linemen blocking, because it's more technical (probably) than basketball. And it's her lack of technique and good footwork that leads to her making so many mistakes. Like Boxing, I think. Size is a factor but you still look at technique but when the size is so much larger, then when considering goat status, you look at technique. It's the same in MMA. When you think about the p4p goat, you look at wins, yes, but you also look at technique.
Imagine you're playing 1 on 1 with your nephew, and you chunk up bricks but you out hustle your nephew and beat him. Are you the goat? It's a similar thing happening here. That's why I'm adamant that the Serena hype is pure nonsense.
Serena does have more wins but she's also had a longer career than most. Martina Navritolova is a very close second and she had a long career as well. Stefi Graf has 10 less years she worked with but her dominance during her peak years was absolute except when she had her rivalry with Monica Seles that was cut short because an insane fan of Steffi's stabbed her and shortened Monica's career. Steffi continued to dominate afterwards, but she did it with winners and very little unforced errors. And Steffi didn't even have a classically good technique but she understood enough about footwork and physics that she made her style work. Serena, after twenty years as a pro, still doesn't understand enough footwork and physics to avoid her many, many errors. She's painful to watch, a clumsy oaf compared to other female greats.
I'm Late to the Party. Serena acted like a petulant child but she is in fact the greatest female tennis player of all time. She would beat graf, navratilova, evert, seles, hingis and so on. She makes the female competition in her era look average because she is that good. She doesn't have the grace or technique of graf but her power will overwhelm graf.
Except she hasn't played a full schedule in over ten years and never had as dominant a year as Steffi in her prime. Her winner to unforced error ratio is atrocious and is consistently inconsistent. I stopped watching women's tennis because Serena is so awful to watch. She is not good. She is powerful. There is a difference.
Yeah, going over both of their wiki stats and wiki pages, Graf blows Serena out of the water by a long shot. It's not close either.
Plus, Serena had an only 8-6 record versus Justine Henin who had a much less powerful game than Steffi. There's no way of knowing how Steffi vs Serena would have played out in their primes and with the same equipment. What we do know is that despite Serena's much longer career Steffi still holds more weeks at no. 1, Steffi's record between 1987-1989 was 233-7, whereas Serena's best years were 78-4 in 2013 and 53-3 in 2015. And even given the fact that Serena has played more years than Steffi, Steffi still has 10 years of holding an over 90% win record to Serena's five of over 90%.
And it's not like Steffi didn't have power of her own, much more that Justine, for example, and accuracy and consistency as her records show. I invite you to look over them yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams_career_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffi_Graf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffi_Graf_career_statistics
Sorry dude. I couldn't let it go. It's been bothering me for a few days and I had to take the time to actually review what I already knew from watching both players play. Steffi was orders of magnitude a better tennis player than Serena ever has been. Career-wise Steffi is 902-115 whereas Serena is 801-136 although I don't know how up to date this last stat is. Steffi's wiki page reads like a true dominant champion's and Serena's less so. And none of that shows just how much better in person Steffi was over Serena, the majesty of watching Steffi play versus the embarrassment of Serena's play. Even watching this last match against Naomi, I couldn't stomach watching Serena hit off her back foot like a bad middle school player. it's no wonder she's so inconsistent and so frustrated. Looking back at Steffi's videos is an entirely different experience. She had true shot making ability.
Serena has the most majors of the open era, in a time where the athletics and competition is much higher. She is clearly the GOAT of women’s tennis. To say otherwise is just ignoring facts
There are stats and there are stats and there is technique. Serena makes too many unforced errors to seriously be considered the goat. She has the most titles but she also has the most errors as a champion, and she has poor technique. As a tennis purist, she is hard to watch. Who wants to see a bunch of unforced errors and poor technique? Compare Serena to Kim Clijsters and it's night and day from Serena's bastardization of the sport to Kim's athletic poetry. And Serena's inconsistent shot making has led to her inconsistent win-loss ratio. She's never had as great a year as Stefi or Martina. Serena is garbage. You may as well say Shaq is the goat. Every time I see Serena hit off her back foot I feel like I'm watching Shaq shoot a jumper. It's cringe. How can cringe be the goat? Nah, you're 100% wrong about Serena. To say Serena is the goat is to ignore everything there is to know about tennis.
In tennis, even 2-3% differences in stats translate into huge differences on court. Close matches are often separated by 1 point in 150, a discrepancy of 15 points is a wipe-out. The best players statistically, do everything a tiny bit better consistently again and again over the others, and this makes the difference between just good and legend.
Now consider that women and men in terms of peak performance differ by about 20%. Women generally use bigger, lighter, and more powerful rackets which are also more forgiving to play the way they do. Even with that, the difference in athletic performance is startling.
I don't watch tennis so I don't really know, but it looked to me like she gave up and was looking for drama to cast blame away from herself. I think she already knew she was going to lose, so when she got called out for the first code violation she saw that as her opportunity. She stopped playing tennis and started playing victim.
This is the effects of a “girl power” gynocentric society, she thought she was bigger than the game, every word she said dripped with entitlement.
If a male player had attacked a female official like that and gave him a code violation the world would be celebrating her as a strong woman for standing up for herself.
As for equal pay, it’s simply ridiculous, if they want equal pay they need to draw equal numbers, that’s the only way it makes sense for sponsors to invest the same amount of money. Maybe women should switch off the Kardashians and spend their weekends watching sports before they go out and demand an entitlement driven equal pay.
> If a male player had attacked a female official like that and gave him a code violation
Actually it happened to Fabio Fognini in the US Open last year, with a 2 grand slam ban. He called a female umpire a whore and many other abuses in Italian. He was banned from the tournament (singles and doubles), forced to pay a $24,000 fine, lost all his prize money (he lost over a $100 k in total), and had all his points docked.
https://lastwordontennis.com/2017/09/02/fabio-fognini-disqualified-us-open-word-abuse-first-round/
For the hothead he is, he eventually apologized and said that his behaviour was totally unacceptable.
And here's McEnroe being docked a game point for 3 code violations : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGL6AXcbDoo
Do you have proof for the claim that black people have higher T? I haven’t seen any evidence for this
I can try to find it, but off the top of my head, blacks have higher T, DHT, and E than whites.
Asians have higher T, and lower E, as do Mexicans.
Some studies show blacks having nearly equal T, but none show them having lower.
99% of the broscience out there (hurr facial hair etc) has nothing to do with T levels, but genetics
Can you try to find them, please? I’ve been looking at this topic and never found anything solid supporting statistically significant T differences between races.
it doesnt really matter anymore... with all the estrogenic chemicals in the water and plastics..
and steroids readily available.. it's a giant shitshow lol
they don't they just have low IQ
serena williams looks like that because she's a low effort tranny
Women are volotile. Women are even more volotile when they take anabolic steroids.
Putting the Win in winstrol. Puting the Lol in Stanazolol.
Putting the 'a' in volatile.
Poor grammar and orthography truly are TRP's pandemic.
Fuck! That's Gaylubeoil I corrected and teased?! (Sorry /u/Gaylubeoil !)
I have always found the "equal pay, less play" ridiculous
I read they’re going to make mens set of 3 soon so it’s equal. This isn’t a joke btw.
And that's what a feminized society does - turn everything mediocre instead. I hope that never happens. 5 set matches are legend stuff. And Billie Jean King and Maria Sharapova want to take that away.
I hope someone out there sees it as a shit test. Anyone with an ounce of logic will laugh at the idea.
Nah they arent going to do that. But men should be paid more regardless. They are much better players. Dag&red soccer players dont get paid more than tottenham players and they all play 90 minutes.
Jesus man.
After reading your post, I saw the SportsCenter snapchat story covering it so I checked it out. My god...
"That's not right....this is not fair...."
[while crying] "There are men out here that do a lot worse, but because I'm a woman...because I'm a woman you're gonna take this away from me?!"
lmfao. you wut mate?!
She knew exactly what would happen if she continued to talk shit to the ump, and that's exactly what happened. But somehow it wasn't because she received coaching, or broke her racket, or continued to talk shit to the ump after the first 2 violations...it was because she's a woman.
yep... she done gone red pilled some tennis fans
Recently subscribed to this thread and absolutely loving it. Nowhere else can you get these kinda posts before a beta or feminist starts taking it down 👏
The mods are zero compromise here that this should only be a space for men. That's why it works. Any other place and the possibility of a 'discussion' is exactly zero. Well, amazingly, they've survived till now.
Another major factor about the Williams Sisters is that they are all about marketing and self-promotion - at least Serena has been - since the start of their career. The whole catsuit thing at the start of the open confirmed it.
This display of childishness and her arguing and whining also caused Serena to lose a whole game as a penalty. I've been watching tennis for over 30 years and I actually don't think I've ever seen that happen, especially in a major final. What this meant was that even though she lost, all anyone can talk about is her, she has videos all over ESPN and Youtube and suddenly she's relevant and trending again after being away for a year.
You think that wasn't planned? Her PR people right now are drinking champagne and partying.
And all of this somehow perfectly aligns with the controversal Nike commercial a few days ago to which Serena was the number one supporter(she wears Nike). Your comment deserves more upvotes, not sure why those downvotes..
Bro. I was at a party yesterday where a woman literally was shouting that all white men are pigs etc. I didn't give a fuck but this other white dude decided that, for some real or another, he must argue with her. He said that this is a massive sexist generalisation.
You know what happened next. Turns out she's half Malay (doesn't look one bit Malay, if you ask me) and decided that was enough to qualify her to bash a general group freely. Long story short, she made zero points to defend her stupidity, started throwing insults and making it awkward for the entire party, and that dude just decided to drop it after I personally told him he had nothing to gain from it (he identified himself as a third wave feminist, whatever that means).
What Serena did was no different. Playing victim has, unfortunately, become a strength. Over time, victimhood will become the common rationale - how much repressed are you by society? You're scored based on your repression - 11 point for being left handed, 35.69 points for being born on the side of the mountain that doesn't see the sunrise, etc. Tallied up, if you get a high score, you're given previleges that you didn't get - so now you can be a doctor and operate on my hernia without getting a license.
don't worry .. I'll give you plenty of happy gas you wont feel a thing.
I saw the US and UK news reporting about sexism, her fighting for women, blah blah. I laughed, because it's the same nonsense they always push.
Newspapers in my country simply ran headlines that "spoiled Williams lost the match".
Serena Williams makes HUGE BOLD SHOCK claim -- I've filtered out the tabloids from my google search, it has never been better.
She is encouraging other women tennis players to meltdown and cry and use their race and gender as a weapon against the judge when they don't get their way?
What an epic meltdown.
If one feels the need to vomit something, whatever that is can only be toxic and it has caused indigestion at some level. The hamster has rationalized vomiting into strength, while real strength is closer to stoicism!
Speaking their mind, saying they're only human...they're all rationalizations for the feminine tendency to periodically vomit emotions that have gone foul. All women need that emotional housecleaning from time to time, but usually it is not handled very well.
imagine she was a president, negotiating a peace deal... all of sudden she starts claiming the deal is one sided because shes a woman, and we are off to war!
Tennis is a great sport to see mentioned here. Federer is an alpha male without fitting the usual over-compensating stereotype we see. He is a man who focuses on honing his craft to absolute insane levels - even when he's on top, he improves. When he got old, he fought even harder to develop his technique. He's a dedicated family man who isn't afraid to show his sensitive side in public. He's also extremely respectful and grounded despite being one of the most successful sportsmen in history.
I really hate Serena turning this into a sexism issue. Men are always hated for their negative behaviours on the court (and for good reason, tantrums are pathetic). Hell in Australia, we pretty much disown players if they're poor sportsmen.
Serena being such a petulant child all the time is basically women being given a test and failing it. She could have embraced the positive traits of masculinity and been a good role model for women. Instead, she displays the worst traits of women for all to see.
I feel so sorry for the girl who defeated her. Imagine achieving such a massive life victory, and having it be massively overshadowed by people claiming that you were handed it.
Federer can be a crybaby when he wins a tournament (till that point he's very stoic), but only because he won and earned his reputation as a legend, and is otherwise as alpha as fuck. That's like one of two occasions where men crying is fine (the other is if someone close to you passed away). Otherwise I always thought he was a bit too sensitive. As a kid he'd cry for any point he lost. After his coach died in an accident, and he woke up, grew up into a man. Now he's the most respected player ever.
I can't imagine a tennis world without someone who can play like Federer. His movement, his shots, they are graceful yes, but very masculine graceful. It shows that there is a masculine aesthetic.
What you say about Serena holds good for a lot of women trying to act like men, if anything it only blows up their feminine behaviours into something very volatile. Too bad for Osaka, she started crying despite winning - at least she still shows normal femininity.
I don't get why some people (especially in the US) call her the tennis GOAT, debatable if she's even the female tennis GOAT, Graf, Navratilova, Court all won far more tournaments then her and certainly Graf & Navratilova faced far stronger competition, tennis isn't just about slams.
Women's tennis will get a lot more respect when they play 5 set matches. Donno why no one's trying hard to get that to happen - in today's society you'd think there'd be outrage on that by now.
I mean, even in men's tennis, it's those 5 set legends that people always speak of.
Women players get equal pay for 3/5 the work.
Seriously, it's Martina, Steffi, and then everyone else. Serena is in the top 10, but that's as far as I would go.
As a fellow tennis fan, I fully agree with every point that you presented in this post. It was indeed a quite shameful Women's US Open final today to say the least. That event serves as a good example of the sorry state of our society when it comes to pedestalizing women, solipsism and straight-up nonsense.
At least the men's final should prove to be a great (and very different) sight to see, although I'm not a fan of Delpo.
The biggest meltdown I've ever seen in men's tennis is Victor Troicki : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=165r4mM9edc
This one is epic. But even here, it's only about whether the ball fell on the line or not. It didn't get nearly as personal.
That's the double standard... Serena's meltdown is all over the news about how "unfair" the line judge was to her for enforcing the rules of tennis, while implying it is what gave Osaka the victory. What no one mentions is that Osaka played very well. Don't let Serena's ego overshadow Osaka's talent.
Good read this- skillfully observed.
lol womens sports
the only thing I can ever stand to watch women do is scissor themselves naked with a dildo between them
College volleyball is pleasing to watch.
Apparently, most volleyball player girls really like to play it. I think it's the mix of prancing around being hot (good for the ego) and actual sports play.
I was referring to the booty shorts :)
That's why it's pleasing to watch :D
College women track and field is better.
They basically wear panties and bra
In fact, I ran college track. To keep cool they often practiced with just the sports bra on top.
For me, the hottest were the pole vaulter girls. They were the most toned, and it required great core strength so they always had a tight mid section.
The shot put girls... Not so much :\
I ran track in college as well so believe me I know.
I'm with you on the pole vaulters.
Figure skating is nothing but gorgeous teenage ballerinas buttflossing gracefully.
Is that that thing on ESPN 8:the Ocho?
Death is about to leave the Drunken Clam after talking Peter Griffin, but pauses and looks up for a second to see what's on TV:
Announcer: Now presenting women's professional...
Death: Ok I'm out of here
Serena has always been a completely classless bull-dyke. Surprised she has any fans at all and/or hasn't been suspended for doping.
Serena is a fat, two-faced cunt. It’s always so obvious in interviews that behind that fake soft voice, that she’s an angry cow.
Ok, I'm not calling her names, just analyzing her behaviour. It only serves to prove a point I've noticed since I read "A billion wicked thoughts". Women with higher testosterone can often act more masculine and outdo other women, but this also turns them into AWALT on steroids. The result is volatile.
It is also possible that women with high T have higher sex drives and outperform more feminine women, but are also more prone to bisexual or lesbian behaviour. For the record, the most successful player ever was Navaratilova.
I am, because I can’t stand her.
agreed.
Keep calling women pejoratives, dude. That's what makes you cool and alpha.
TIL Serena = all women.
Keep up with the sarcastic remarks - they won’t get you far 👍🏼
There is no doubt in my mind that you've called other women in the past cunts, or will call them that word in the future.
I'm not your parent and I'm not forcing you to believe what I say. All I know is that throughout my life, I was raised in line with the saying “Treat others how you want to be treated.”
I forgot that every single woman has impeccable character and has never mistreated anybody - my mistake.
If you’re assuming that me calling a - quite clearly - stuck up, arrogant woman a cunt on reddit means I call good women (99.9% of women), cunts on a daily basis and publicly.... LOL.
All I know is that you sound a bit like a weak individual.
No need to call her slurs. She just did what she did to her advantage albeit failed. Women nowadays know that they can say shit like this and get something. But not in this case however. Twitter also has made this much worse.
Nah I need to call her that because that’s what I think of her. Take away the “cunt” and “cow” and what I wrote is right on the money.
you forgot she‘s black, nothing racist but this just adds to the list of things she might wanna count up for you if it‘s necessary
T Levels. Black women and men have higher T than average. That is one reason why they're always at the top of the athletic world. Plus they're better equipped to deal with heat.
Middle Easterners and Indians have more testosterone than both blacks and Whites, I thought that this was well known? This is why they grow facial hair so easily.
The reason American blacks are muscular is because they have been bred like pack dogs for however long slavery was.
If you look at Africa you’ll see what I mean given that North, Southern and East Africans are thin and short.
I learned this fact about T score many years while I was still blue pilled in many things, so this could be one of them. I have tried finding studies to better revise the topic but I found all sorts of studies and I no longer no which institutions have what biases.
For example, this paper states that White and blacks have the same levels of T:
academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/7/2519/2598282
Speaking of T, they've been revising the normal range of Testosterone downward over the years. They just did it again. Apparently a variation as huge as 250 ng/DL to 1000 ng/DL is considered normal now for young men - the first number was something which even my 80 year old granddad didn't have. That and sperm motility levels.
It's a tragedy that no one wants to talk about. But in my country the fertility clinic industry's booming, and it's claimed everywhere that sitting around, drinking, smoking, sedentary living are killing men's T and sperm.
This is something I was thinking about yesterday. We have systems in place to prevent obvious side effects from food and drugs, but nothing that can prevent silent slow changes in our bodies. Every day our average testosterone levels are lowering, due to plastic and who knows what else, and we're doing nothing but watching the gradual pussification of society. The insidious thing is that when it happens to everyone, it's hard to notice or understand the difference it makes, except that in a few generations the young men wouldn't even understand what it feels like to be a man. We'll have a society of women and lesser women.
This is true. That’s why you have to get out in nature as much as you can. Work out. Be social. Be confident. The emasculation of men starts with the internet. Before it was TV. And yes I know it’s ironic that I’m writing this on the internet but I really do try to limit my use these days. It’s very toxic.
Dude you’re a fat musky cheese-crotched redditor acting like you would be some great warrior in medieval times. Bitch you EAT at medieval times, I know this comment won’t change you, it’s just for normal people like myself to laugh at.
How can we get our T levels to reach those of our forefathers?
I’m asking both personally and collectively.
Lift (but not more than an hour each day), compound exercises, some cardio, good sleep, oxygen, outdoor activity, natural light, good diet, lot of water, eat and drink only from metal or glass or porcelain. Try eating as much natural food as possible. Cut the alcohol and get up fresh in the morning. Get enough protein and carbs. Meditate, do yoga, burn stress away. Keep a good vibrant attitude and healthy beliefs. Good, masculine body language. Be fully present in everything you do.
Constantly exercising and doing physical work.
Why are kids that don’t play sports introverted and nerdy? No testosterone being produced.
Our forebearers from our great grandparents were to the beginning of our race, have been in the field/hunting/gathering/fighting from 5am to 6-8pm every single day.
also low body fat level which also explains swimming contest results
yet sports is the only thing they can be good at it history shows, and this is not due to the fact they were enslaved for very long, they now have their chances and do nothing with it. change my mind.
not sure what history you are reading but there were quite some strong afrikan empires, mali, egypt... have you ever heard of the great pyramids?
yeah can you imagine what it must be like for the reddit guy who has to bone her
Imagine trying to be red pill when you put down people who are more athletic than you.
That is a little extreme. I certainly wouldn’t say those things.
Oh no? What about he time she threatened to ram a tennis ball down a linesman’s throat? Forgotten about that, have we?
Fat? She's not fat, but she's very much riding the bike if you know what I mean.
She isn’t fat she is athletic . Just because you have a small Johnson and can’t handle an ass like doesn’t mean that she is fat lol
She’s fat my g. Look at her when she was 20
It's to be expected. That's why I would never watch women's tennis. Yesterday was Saturday, and the part of the country I'm from we watched the sport we played growing up. Georgia vs South Carolina and Clemson vs Texas A&M was some good college football to watch. Football is basically the Red Pill on a 100 yard field.
Alexis (co-founder reddit) responded on twitter, essentially backed her up on the sexism allegation (I actually met him when I was in college). Here's the tweet https://imgur.com/6neHc0w
I watched some video about them. He's such a doting fucking soyboy and she's disgusted by his presence. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Bro you're so right. He's so soft and strange. That has to be the weirdest dynamic, that is a relationship doomed to failure
The people you will see on twitter talking about this the most are the people who dont even watch tennis but just wana jump in and "support" Serena just cuz shes famous. They will say its cuz shes balck or cuz shes a woman. This fat chick at my job instantly said its cuz she black and they "stole" this from her and have been trying to put her down for a long time. "They give her random drug tests and stuff cuz she black and she looks muscular"
Told her she dumb.
Solipsism. The automatic defense of others is an extension of the ego.
I’m still not convinced Williams isn’t a biological man. I’m not even slightly joking.
Now imagine when we start letting m2f trans people compete in women’s sports “becuz muh equality”.
Feelings over logic. Equality over results.
i'm sure there's instances of this happening in MMA, guys transitioning into females and beating the shit out of them! crazy that the people who want this type of equality are OK with women getting fucked up... the m2f trans would no doubt dominate in the other female sports too
I dont really follow tennis but was shocked to hear that Men and Women somehow get equal pay when they are pulling in different numbers of audiences for tv views. If your doing more of the entertaining you should be paid more. I read an article and Nadal put it right “Female models earn more than male models, and nobody says anything,” So true. You want equality then stand by it.
They're pushing equal pay everywhere, logic be damned. Women's soccer team will probably get it despite bringing in a fraction of what the men do, and surfing just went and did it much to the joy of soyboys everwhere.
Limb wrists were flailing in joy that day!
When all else fails, whine.
Lesson learned from this debacle- You look pathetic when you lose your frame.
Women have spun the whole losing frame thing into a power play - but that doesn't make it less repulsive.
nailed it... when I see people act like this it really makes me focus on my own behaviour and emotional control, really works wonders for when you want to lose your shit haha
https://imgur.com/a/6JQZa2f
Ooga booga tennisman be sexyss
Who watches women sports anyway.
Actually women gymnasts, athletes, and swimmers / divers are very good. Volleyball, Golf. They can also weightlift well. But overall it takes a bigger toll on their bodies and they need more time to recover, and the difference is always 15-20%. Once you take sports where the tool is more important (shooting) than the person, then it drops quite significantly.
Even badminton's good, better than its tennis equivalent (though when you compare it to guys like Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei....)
All this doesn't account for the fact that the overwhelming majority of women aren't nearly as interested in sports. I mean, try watching F1 or tennis and talk about stats and technicalities with your girl. I tried to get my cousins (girls) to play chess with me, and they got restless in minutes.
Besides after watching all the men's sports, I hardly have any time at all to watch women's. They're competing on viewership, and the obvious choice will be men's.
Ummm was she any worse than John McEnroe?
Had it been McEnroe, he would have been disqualified by now. And really, when men behave like entitled brats, it's beta as fuck and irritates everyone.
McEnroe was interviewed about the Osaka victory this morning. He said the officials made all the correct calls the first and second time. The third call he was ambivalent about, but did not say it was wrong. From one tennis brat to another.
You should find out what happened to Fabio Fognini...ouch!
King said: “When a woman is emotional, she’s ‘hysterical’ and she’s penalized for it. When a man does the same, he’s ‘outspoken’ & and there are no repercussions.
Following his first-round match against Tom Gullikson, McEnroe was fined U.S. $1,500 and came close to being thrown out after he called umpire Ted James "the pits of the world" and then swore at tournament referee Fred Hoyles. He also made famous the phrase "you cannot be serious", which years later became the title of McEnroe's autobiography, by shouting it after several umpires' calls during his matches.[17] This behavior was in sharp contrast to that of Borg, who was painted by the press as an unflappable "Ice Man."[18] Nevertheless, in matches played between the two, McEnroe never lost his temper.[14]In response to McEnroe's on-court outbursts during the Championships, the All England Club did not accord McEnroe honorary club membership, an honor normally given to singles champions after their first victory. While playing and winning the tournament in Stockholm, McEnroe had an on-court outburst that soon became notorious. After questioning a call made by the chair umpire, McEnroe demanded, "Answer my question! The question, jerk!" McEnroe then slammed his racquet into a juice cart beside the court in anger, and the stadium crowd booed him. He was suspended for 3 weeks (21 days) for exceeding a $7,500 limit on fines that had been created because of his behavior.[14] As a result, he was disqualified from competing in the following week's significant Wembley (London) Indoor tournament, at which he was supposed to be the number one seed, with Connors and Lendl (the eventual winner) as the second and third seeds. During his suspension he injured his left wrist in practice causing him to withdraw from the Australian Open, the fourth major of the year. He took a seven-month break from the game following the US Open, where he was suspended for two months and fined US$17,500 for misconduct and verbal abuse. in his fourth-round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee.[14] He was warned by the umpire for intimidating a lineswoman, and then docked a point for smashing a racket. McEnroe was apparently unaware that a new Code of Conduct, which had been introduced just before the tournament, meant that a third code violation would not lead to the deduction of a game but instead would result in immediate disqualification; therefore, when McEnroe unleashed a volley of abuse at umpire Gerry Armstrong, he was defaulted. He was also fined $6,500 for the incidents.
I'm confused. It's sexism when the person she is going against is (you guessed it) another woman?
No, it was the fact that the umpire was a man... XD XD
IT'S NOT ME, IT'S YOU!!!!111!
What a loser I saw her on TV and here (Europe) media were talking about sexism.
Lol they should be talking about agency instead. You lost bish get over it. Lmao
The first half of the post addressed Serena and I'm just going to address that because I pretty much agree with the rest of your post analyzing society's reaction.
I mean, this is what you get at the top tier of athletics or anything else hyper competitive. The people who make it to the top are the most competitive and ambitious generally. When a call is made against them, they take it personally. They get upset, without even needing to go into how their tempers are high because of the physical exertion.
The sad reality is that the best athletes will generally not be the best people. Why do you think the rare exceptions (I don't know, like JJ Watt maybe?) are given such attention. Because they're exceptions. For every JJ Watt or Michael Phelps you're going to have a ton of Serena's and Ryan Lochte's who are proud, arrogant douchebags who yell at referees, vandalize Brazilian gas stations, and do a whole Heavenly Host of other shit we don't approve of.
Getting to the top is bad enough, but staying at the top for a while generally makes it much worse. Osaka was raised in Japan so her culture will have made her more feminine, but even so, give her the number of years Serena has had at the top and I guarantee you it will make her a worse person.
It's why I don't believe we should idolize people who came out on top in meritocratic systems like CEO's and top athletes. Don't get me wrong, I love meritocracy. But the thing about meritocracy is that anything that does not get you to the top in that specific area is a useless hobby for its purposes. Being the CEO of a Fortune 100 won't depend on how good you are at building ships in a bottle or making souffle. Why would it depend on you being a decent human? Same thing applies here.
The former best player in the world lost to the new best player in the world. She's a fantastic athlete but a shitty person so she couldn't accept it. AWALT stands for all women are like that. It can also stand for all winners are like that. Meritocratic systems reward people who forsake hobbies in favor of the merited activity. And being a good person is just a hobby.
It was bad sportsmanship. She knew it, but made it excuses anyways to try and stem damage to her lucrative sponsorships.
In this day, that would have only helped her cause.
I don't know.. in a way I think her little outburst is putting the spotlight on using virtue signals to mask character flaws.. even in those who normally lap it up
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/sexist-power-play-ruins-powerful-us-open-final-20180909-p502nw.html and yet somehow it's the male referees fault 🤔
She cycling gear her hormones are fucked up after kid
The absolute state of femoids 2018
I miss Steffi Graf. Hope Andre taking care of that cutie
I never knew that I wanted to see a redpill referee in action until now
This is why I dont pay attention to womens sport anymore.
To take something from a woman to the advantage of another woman cannot be sexist.
The most absurd thing is like you said that there is "equality" in terms of pay between men and women, in my opinion the problem isnt that women play 3 sets as opposed to 5, the problem is that women are away inferior athletes and much worse at tennis, so theres CLEAR "skill inequality". The rank #1000 male tennis player is better than Serena Williams, yet he is paid less than she is, how so? Its incredibly unfair. And shows why this "wage gap" is huge bogus and made up lies. Imagine if Dagenham and Redbridge got paid as much as Tottenham for playing soccer because "muh equality even if one is clearly less qualified than the other" its absolutely pathetic.
This sports-fail is up there with Mike Tyson biting an ear.
Looks like roid rage to me.
Serena should be PED tested.
That fucking manipulative feminist bitch.
I guess, just like yovino and argento, she will also accepts her fault, obviously, when everything will be cold as ice.
The reaction on news and social media is fucked, the world is cooked enjoy the decline.
I agree...
When a close family member dies, maybe if your dog dies, and ??? In other words as little as possible.
Even in crying, there is a masculine aesthetic. Dignified, subtle, but powerful,and not for petty things. A man's subtlety is what makes his body language or expressions more powerful (as compared to a child).
Del Potro is quite a softie behind that cannon ball forehand of his. He's been through a lot of career threatening injuries in his 20s, where he should have won a lot more, so every match where he plays and wins matters more to him now than before. Still, he's quite a soft guy type.
The umpire's one tough cookie : https://www.dailywire.com/news/35784/us-open-umpire-carlos-ramos-responds-backlash-amanda-prestigiacomo
Stoic in the face of zero support.
Reading about Osaka really made my heart ache. These Asian women in sports always get bullied. It's like the never ending fencing second all over again. Someone should have been there to tell her it's okay to win, where were all her fans?
And what about the chair umpire? He got no support whatsoever. He's handled the whole thing without losing frame and basically just implemented the rule book (3 violations = 1 game penalty). All the shaming tactics thrown at him.
He eventually spoke of how he didn't go out for a few days for his safety. And since Serena threatened him that he'll not be able to officiate her matches (BS, that does not exist), officials are planning to boycott her matches in the future.
Only ones shouting in favour 5 days down the road are SJWs and BP men.
He's a hero. He knew what would happen if he made the decision, and he did it anyways. And that deserves respect, not pity.
As it turns out, the statistics reveal a completely different story altogether - men players are penalized 3 times as much as women, and outnumber women 8x in the racket smashing department, but in the coaching department, women are penalized twice as much!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/09/13/carlos-ramos-returns-chair-serena-williams-row-statistics-back/
That's more proof of the reality of human behaviour right there.
Isnt there a book about this very thing ( the mental aspects of tennis) called the inner game of tennis?
edit: why the downvotes?
It’s a great book, but it isn’t exactly about tennis. It’s a book about mastering one’s own mind. Tennis is the backdrop.
so im wrong in saying its about the mental aspects of tennis?
is the book worth reading? did u gain anything from it?
I'm not saying you're wrong... but to say that the inner game of tennis is about the mental side of tennis is like saying that zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance is about taking proper care of your motorcycle: not untruthful, but misses the point.
The book is very much worth reading and I highly recommend it. Even if you don't have any interest in tennis. 20+ years after I first read it I still draw from it whenever I'm trying to get better at something.
what im saying is more analogous to saying zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance is about the meditative practice of maintaining a motorcycle (idk what that books about just saying this would make for a better comparison)
Right, but neither book is about what a literal reading of their titles would suggest. Each is about something bigger (different somethings) and the authors selected slices of existence within which to talk about it. They could have been the same books in every way which matters with zero mention of tennis or motorcycles, and that is why I say they are not about these things.
I didn't know that. But if there was one sport that taught you the best of masculine mentality, it has to be tennis.
Where are the good old days when a women acted like this and you could just bitch slap her i miss it
Naomi Osaka is younger, tighter, more skilled and had the rest of her life be a raging success in her sport, especially now having taken out the biggest bitch in the yard on the sport's grandest stage. She will continue to quietly move forward and will likely prove herself to be a demure champion of the sport.
Serena Williams is a post-wall, post-baby Serena must accept the fact that she is now simply an old mare who can't keep up with the young fillys. Older athletes have long been able to keep younger up and comers at bay with experience combined with skill, but Williams has never been able to do this with Osaka, which is obviously a very frustrating pill for Williams to swallow. She should hang up her racket and focus on raising her daughter at this point. In the wise words of Guile from Street Fighter, "Go home and be a family man!"
That has nothing to do with the point -- which is the trend to emotionally sensationalize anything into a victim based point of origin.
Great post. I was disgusted with Williams' behavior, but even moreso with the aftermath.
She didn't mention being black or ruining his career.
Oh my god, shut up, it’s fucking tennis
Quite frankly, I don’t see the point of this post.
There’s absolutely no lesson to be learnt here and OP horribly explains his point with a poor argument. Serena cursed the umpire and so what. Everybody does that, men and women alike. I’m a strong proponent for AWALT but your example is weak OP.
Lastly, saying blacks have higher Ts thus making them top athletes is outright silly. Messi and Ronaldo are not black and are currently the best in football. In Tennis, Roger Federer & Rafel Nadal are also not black. There’s never been any super famous black tennis champions but Serena and Vanessa Williams.
Shit post.
Is this the kind of garbage being posted here these days? Holy shit this is rubbish. You think male tennis players don't throw tantrums like this? Look up old videos of John McEnroe.
This made for interesting reading, as I happen to know Serena. I’m not going to defend he behavior. I don’t need to, and it certainly wouldn’t be to you. But you should know that you’re wrong about her. She’s very feminine, and actually has some girly girl in her. It’s just that she’s in the body of linebacker. So instead of a girly girl squeaking about something or another that the officials can look concerned about until she gets winded, you have this slab of muscle who could probably kill three of the four officials with her bare hands before they could get her down.
Anyways. It’s a fine post, you just guessed wrong. Maybe stick to demonstrating RP principles using examples from your own life. Those are far more interesting reads anyways. Anyone can speculate about strangers.
Totally agree with you.
OP seems to be a newbie here and is still at the anger phase.
Quality shit post.
I was addressing the comment from Mr. Tizzle that was deleted. To Serena's credit she didn't try to egotistically hog all of the spotlight resulting from her being called out for a tennis rules violation and childishly smashing her racket, instead she put some effort into putting the spotlight on Osaka, the victor of the tournament.
Looking at the comments here, lots of topics dug up here that have nothing to do with last night's match.
A call was made in Grand Slam final match that has historically never been made before. A call, that for all intents and purposes could be equivocally made in almost every professional match in the last 20 years, was made for the first time last night.
You don't have to agree with Serena's post-call choices or any of the reactions on the internet to recognize that the "cheating" call was absolute bullshit.
Serena didn't lose the match because of the first code penalty for coaching.
She lost because she was up against a superior competitor, and didn't have the mental and emotional faculties to handle that situation.
As a result, she took a second code infraction for smashing her racquet. And even that didn't stop her from continuing to verbally abuse the chair umpire. If anything, he allowed her ample leeway though the changeover. He only called the third code infraction after she impugned his honesty.
The goal of playing a match is to win. She’s won the most out of anyone in the last 30 years. End of conversation