Men are not entitled to sex just like women are not entitled to friendship.

wtknight · 2020-08-13T12:55:51+00:00

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Iluvalmonds83 · 2020-08-13T12:44:26+00:00

Do most women really flip out when guys respectfully turn down a friendship offer after being rejected romantically though? In real life as a common occurrence? Or is this an assumption coming from an echo chamber, online?

Honestly curious because I’m not a guy and am in an older generation. I always hear and have personally experienced guys flipping out in response to rejection from a woman’s perspective, but the friendship offer was usually offered only to soften the blow, not really expected to be taken up.

toasterchild · 2020-08-13T13:18:03+00:00

Anytime someone I recently met gets really upset with me for not being what they wanted me to be I just assume they have a personality disorder.

I've had men and women do it to me

Lunatic_Jiggles · 2020-08-13T14:14:24+00:00

People don't owe each other anything, news @ 11!

crookedsummer2019 · 2020-08-13T10:39:04+00:00

Honestly, I don’t know of women freaking out when a man she rejects for sex (because that’s basically what’s she’s doing) rejects her for friendship. The ‘lets be friends things’ is a polite kiss off, and usually she doesn’t care if he wants to be friends or not. As a female, I admit it’s in bad form. I don’t think women should reply with this they should just decline and leave it at that, and I can see how a guy could be insulted by that, because it’s like a guy saying to a girl ‘let’s be fuck buddies, but you are not worthy enough to be my girlfriend’ it’s kind of like an orbiter invitation.

Sir_manalot · 2020-08-13T10:55:25+00:00

Nobody cares a entitled to anything, even life itself.

Our ancient ancestors truly believed this, but quickly found it turning around and biting them in the ass.

Now we half ass it, nobody is entitled to anything...except “me” and what I deem is important.

A good example of this is all the women parading around the wage gap, protection from rape, coronavirus help, etc.

Are any of these people entitled to these things? No, so why do they get them? Because wants matter.

Some are more import then others, but they all matter to an extent.

In matter of fact societies entire’s existence is all about giving out entitlements (ex: freedom).

To be clear, we force men to pay for children if they try to abandon them. Are mothers and children entitled to there fathers help? Nope, and yet we do it anyway.

TLDR: entitlement is a shitty argument like privilege and is based on dishonesty to try to shut down possibly valid points for selfish reasons.

GroundSloth123 · 2020-08-13T13:10:06+00:00

I absolutely agree.

I am a woman and have often turned men down but offered friendship “if that’s something they’re interested in, but I understand if it’s too complicated or you don’t think it’s a good idea.”

I think it would be ridiculous to bare said men ill will for not wanting to be friends with a person they’re sexually attracted to or romantically interested in knowing there’s no chance for either.

That said, I will tell you from experience that really often men say yes to friendship under those circumstance and then later get angry/annoyed/call me a tease when I start sleeping with or dating someone else, or just continue to push the issue of a sexual relationship later on.

100% no one has to be my friend if they feel too strongly in another way, but saying you DO want friendship when really what you mean is “I want to keep you in my life to see if you change your mind later” is really dumb and just gets everyone hurt, usually the guy most of all.

natec96 · 2020-08-13T14:39:35+00:00

Hah. How about when YOU reject THEM. I’ve had women go crazy immature when I rejected them, yes in a respectful way.

INSERT_USERNAME___ · 2020-08-13T14:55:52+00:00

I have never seen or even heard of what you’re describing. I’m sure it happens, but I don’t think it’s enough of a problem to be mentioned in the same breath as men thinking they’re entitled to sex

batman_75 · 2020-08-13T15:40:19+00:00

Value your nonsexual attention fellas. Run with people faster than you and your time will always be better. What does she have to offer you to value her friendship. How is she going to make you a better person within her company?

AnarchoNAP · 2020-08-13T17:28:01+00:00

I would want to change your view in so far as a pervious friendship does not equate dishonesty. Especially with this bullshit lax definition of friendship that most people use. Say you hang out with someone for six months then develop attraction. So you ask them out. They say no. Now you're in the position of having a friend/"friend" who you have feelings for. This is unhealthy all around. You need to leave or AT LEAST take a break. You aren't entitled to the relationship and they STILL aren't entitled to the friendship.

atreethatkeepsgrowin · 2020-08-13T22:23:41+00:00

I’m fine w this as long as men don’t future fake and are upfront about only wanting sex so I can reject them 😂

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-08-13T10:30:45+00:00

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LyfeSuck · 2020-08-13T14:43:38+00:00

Women don't care about being friends as much as men care about getting sex.

If you don't want to be her friend she'd be more like "meh whatever", or ""who needs you anyway"

The only possible thing they could want from a man is attention, and that's ONLY IF HE'S FAMOUS AND HIGH SOCIAL STATUS.

softkermit · 2020-08-13T17:47:09+00:00

Yeah, ultimately nothing is owed to anyone. Relationships are mutual. Idk why it’s so hard for people to understand that.

lilastr · 2020-08-14T01:18:53+00:00

Never heard of one women who complained about not getting a friendship

GennyX · 2020-08-13T11:19:41+00:00

I don’t understand why you posted this. No one is entitled to anything? Why is this post worthy?

0seagirl · 2020-08-13T13:31:42+00:00

Um. I really hope that men realise the whole "let's be friends" thing is very typically used to soften the blow of rejection and is not necessarily to be taken literally.

A woman could say "let's just be friends" and have absolutely no intention of preserving any form of friendship.

This is used solely because we are afraid of violent retaliation.

"Let's be friends" is the most pragmatic approach to damage control when it comes to telling a man we don't want to be with him sexually or romantically.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-08-13T12:44:20+00:00

Im talking about where a guy asks out a girl from the start and she turns him down but instead the girl reciprocates with an overture for friendship and he says no.

Most girls are fine with that. I've never in my life met a woman who was upset about this. It's when she ends up like Catelyn Stark is when women get upset. What makes women upset is when men lie and pretend they wanted something deeper than sex. This is the biggest problem with Nice Guys: They're just unsuccessful fuckboys.

KAT_85 · 2020-08-13T13:21:23+00:00

Totally agree. I’m a woman and I don’t inherently deserve friendship, sex, commitment, protection, etc. unless those things have explicitly been promised (see marriage vows). Even then i wouldn’t hold someone in a situation where they were unhappy with what they are/aren’t getting from the relationship.

Of course unrequited friendship, desire for sex, etc. have always hurt. This isn’t new, and women also experience it especially when we’re teens. After a while you figure out the type of person with whom there’s the most mutual attraction and life goes on.

What I see as different in this day and age bs others is the lack of any protocol for men approaching women. I’m starting to think that courtship and dating rituals were in place to smooth over the initial interactions in a way that swiping right and texting someone doesn’t. I could be wrong

2020-08-13T13:36:58+00:00

Those are examples of being disingenuous to the girl as there was clearly outlined expectations of friendship.

Consent to ______ can be revoked at any time, regardless of expectations. Your body, your choice. Relationships break up, friendships end, people divorce, people divorce over things like job loss, relationships break up because people gain weight. Your caveat is just entitlement with extra steps

MikepGrey · 2020-08-13T20:55:59+00:00

Agree with OP BUT

:Breaks out user manual for Women:

It says here in paragraph c, sub, section 129, article b4, párrafo 11k, अनुभाग 2, linia 69.

"Any woman who wants sex can't admit to it publicly without being slut shamed - so if a guy try's to get in your pants publicly you must turn him down, but do try to friend and fuck him later if hes cute/has money"

And when you don't do that they can freak if its your first encounter, so adjust your approach a little to get the slick slit guys.

spacechicken1990 · 2020-08-13T11:09:15+00:00

Friendship is not comparable to sex.

When women say let's be friends they dont actually want to be friends most of the time.

They just want to let you down lightly and not hurt your feelings. How on earth is this comparable to someone losing the plot over not getting sex?

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-08-13T10:32:16+00:00

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Sultmaker_9000 · 2020-08-13T10:34:33+00:00

I don't believe this is the normal chain of events, men who get put in freinds zone are 'nice guys', and it happens to them all the time, so they usually just suck it up, accept it and whine about female hypergamy and Chad or something. Depends on the scenario too, meeting on OLD is just her way of trying to reject you without hurting your feelings, when clearly she has no intention of seeing you again.

carllygold · 2020-08-13T11:57:26+00:00

But are women entitled to sex? And men to a relationship? I am confused.

Karmanger · 2020-08-13T11:40:06+00:00

When this happened to me while I was OLD I kind of took it a lil bad, thinking back on it though.... is LJBF (lets just be friends) code for FWB? I'm almost positive that's what she was insinuating... because it doesn't make sense. Like you know the guy is attracted to you... You know he's going to still be attracted to you even as a friend... it's like this Meme of the dog looking at cupcakes.

wtknight · 2020-08-13T13:50:19+00:00

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Mrs_Drgree · 2020-08-13T10:30:29+00:00

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2020-08-13T16:23:01+00:00

I agree. I have friends. And if I'm interested in a woman in a romantic way then I absolutely don't want to subject myself to constant exposure to her as a 'friend' while watching her date other guys.

No thanks. There are plenty of candidates for the 'friend' category in my life. And it's wasted time. Time that can be spent finding someone for a relationship and having quality time with them.

fuzzy_bunnyx · 2020-08-13T17:23:42+00:00

I think choosing to end/not begin friendship is fair. Being around your crush that turned you down and knowing your feelings won't be reciprocated can be painfull. Especially if you see them flirting or more with some other dude.

These situations are a breeding ground for resentment and envy, so It's smart to cut that drama out of your life.

TheDumbassGenius · 2020-08-13T17:24:16+00:00

....duh?

katiesaysthings · 2020-08-13T17:52:15+00:00

Is that supposed to be a threat? I’m okay with it.

Binaural_Wave · 2020-08-13T18:26:43+00:00

testicular fortitude

Master-Edward-3 · 2020-08-13T20:56:18+00:00

Even when the guy has been friends for years with the girl he has the right to break up ties with her. If that’s what he feels.. even still she’s not entitled to continue his friendship. The guy could’ve not felt feelings of romance until recent and cannot see her in any other way like as in friendship. Some friendships might last years and still dissolve over other reasons. The guy does not have to remain her buddy just as the woman doesn’t have to continue sexual acts in spite of getting close to home base and fully undressed. It’s little things like that which make it seem like women can expect better treatment than they give men.

Physiologist21 · 2020-08-14T00:40:45+00:00

Yes, no one is entitled to anything. Good talk.

bionix90 · 2020-08-14T13:40:56+00:00

Dead horses are entitled to not being beaten.

Crew-Frequent · 2020-08-15T00:58:34+00:00

My ex flipped on me when after she dumped me said we could still be friends and I said fuck that. She’s like ughhh why can’t you just ever be satisfied.

Why tf would I wanna watch you move on and fuck other dudes what the actual fuck are women thinking?

Mangoes_Milk · 2020-08-15T08:52:39+00:00

But why did that guy even like her in the first place if he doesn't even want to be her friend? Shouldn't a romantic partner just be your best friend but with sex/exclusivity?

I've also never heard of a woman 'flipping out' in this scenario.

figosnypes · 2020-08-16T05:49:30+00:00

A better analogy would be: Men are not entitled to sex just like women are not entitled to commitment.

Man meets woman. Woman asks man out. Man says yes. They date. They have sex a few times. The woman wants to get serious. The man says he isn't looking for that right now. The woman gets bitter and starts calling him a player who used her for sex.

Familiar situation. Because women basically think they are owed a committed relationship in exchange for sex or even just dating a guy. The only real exception to this is when it's a woman with a guy who is inappropriately young for her. If it's a teen or early 20s woman with a super hot guy her age then sometimes they will give him a pass but other times they still feel entitled.

I think female entitlement is downplayed a lot.

joesmithasdf · 2020-08-18T08:35:05+00:00

I don’t know about other people but I find it hilarious and dumb women look for friendship on dating apps. Why is it always good looking men? Unless it’s an honest friendship, no sex no fwb, go bother the bottom 80% men if they don’t like it.

kombucha_and_makeup · 2020-08-25T03:17:27+00:00

I don't bother making male friends anymore. 99% of them only want sex and they pretend to be friends to get closer to you. I don't need fake friends. I only make friends with women now.

SeemedGood · 2020-08-13T16:43:45+00:00

But it is actually women that feel more sexual entitlement to men’s bodies (and objectify them more).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810038/

upalse · 2020-08-13T15:09:54+00:00

Take kindergarten as a model, and extend it to the adulthood, sans lust. That's what the friendships really are, and a lot of young women just plain forget that. They get deluded by their vagina, just like young men get deluded by their dick he likes her for her "personality" (tits) or her being "funny" (meaning she's laughing at his jokes).

Hell no, intersex friendships do happen, but only with the frequency you see in kindergarten - usually people who have especially compatible psyche it can transcend the gender chasm.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2020-08-13T16:24:14+00:00

And you believe her .. What woman is going around begging men to be friends with them, something is wrong with her

akihonj · 2020-08-13T13:19:13+00:00

I get where you're coming from here, but truthfully most women don't get upset about that per say they get upset because they don't want to think they are going around hurting people or upsetting people.

So many would like to keep somebody as a friend rather than lover, the hope being that if at some point in the future the situation changes then that person would be a lover or if not then they become just a good friend.

So yeah it's kind of narcissistic in nature but not, I think, done for malicious reasons rather for reasons of group acceptance. Knowing that they always have a friend rather than enemy is better for most women.

endestir · 2020-08-13T23:20:33+00:00

Women are not entitled to me leaving them alone

Title	Men are not entitled to sex just like women are not entitled to friendship.
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