Imagine if you will... if feminism was a small planet in the sky like in Sonic CD and everyone with a feminist/gynocentric mindset could not escape it's gravitational pull.

 

You(assuming you are a none gynocentric male) can easily escape feminism's influence and drop to the ground with ease. In fact, you don't feel a pull at all. You could run away as far as possible and you wouldn't feel any effect of feminism.

 

As lots of your family and friends unfortunately reside on the little planet, you have to return on occasion. On one of these routine visits, as you leave little planet, you notice someone is following you off little planet... It's a girl. She has learned from watching you, how to escape the small planet's gravity, though -- unlike you who feels no pull at all -- she is rather shaky, and needs to latch onto you from time to time so she won't get pulled back into the sky.

 

Her reliance on you keeping her feet on the ground leads to her following you around quite often until she feels she has mastered the same principles as you, at which point she decides to go off on her own, confident in her understanding. Despite learning how to keep her balance awhile ago, the further she gets from you, her footing gets less secure as if she was slowly forgetting everything she learned from you. Oh well, you go back to what you were doing.

 

This brings us to this post from r RPW(I used to lurk this sub a lot, don't judge)

We are going to analyze this post, but not from a petty perspective, but from a genuine theory I think holds water

 

Thought I was a feminist, but am I actually RPW?

I came across this sub and I’ve been lurking here for a while. For the most part, the ideals of RPW seem to mesh perfectly with how I feel about relationships and femininity but there are some conflicts that maybe you’ll be able to explain or hash out with me (or perhaps just tell me to GTFO).

I’ve always considered myself in the feminist camp but as time has progressed the ideals of feminism that I was so solidly sold on seem to have changed. I think this is the basic/original ideas of the movement vs what feminism seems to mean to most people today. I absolutely support:

• A female’s right to the same educational and career opportunities as men (should she want them, of course)

We know this is a right in general which was never only afforded to men, it just turned out this way because there weren't comfy office jobs or gender quotas to assist women in the workplace. Why would someone tie education and work to feminism?

• A female’s right to reproductive and general healthcare options

What she really means is a "right" to handouts from taxpayers.

• A female’s right to wear what she pleases

This is confusing because it's feminists who want women to dress differently because miniskirts and dresses are elements of patriachy.

• A female’s right to date/sleep with whoever she pleases without being shamed or judged (if she wants to)

This is indeed a feminist talking point, but you wouldn't expect to hear this in a redpill sub, or at least a sub masquerading as redpill, again, it's the response to this post that is more interesting than the post itself.

• The basic rights of women in 3rd world countries (i.e. the right to vote, to be able to drive, not be forced into marriage, not be owned by husband, to go to school etc)

Obviously feminism isn't concerned with women in third world countries. If they were concerned with women's rights in third world countries, they'd know that these "patriarchal" societies are normally much worse for the men who die in war more than the women who are upset over not getting to pick Chad.

 

Now, to get some things out of the way, the poster of the RPW topic is nearing the big "three-oh", I know you guys are gonna comment on that and yeah, she's nearing the wall so that has something to do with it, but we aren't necessarily going to pick apart the chick who posted but more the sub's response to it.

 

It's abundantly clear to all of you(and to women in RPW) that the OP of that thread is a feminist, and nothing she said related to anything RP at all, but let's continue with her post before we get to the response.

 

So as I’ve read more about RPW, it makes a lot of sense to me, however, there’s a few things that irk me a little.

• Does being RPW really mean you have to be totally opposed to feminism? (ie the rights I posted earlier – education, healthcare)

So it irks her that she has to be opposed to feminism. M'kay. We answered the health care and education question earlier.

• How do you feel about the way men speak to/approach women in some contexts? I’m struggle with men cat calling or not taking a “no” graciously, but apparently this is very TRP?

She "struggles" with catcalling? Yeah, if this ain't a feminist, I dunno what is.

Anyway, like I said, I’m not really sure what my question or point is here but from posts I’ve lurked on you seems like intelligent, well mannered and kind ladies so hopefully I won’t get flamed! I did consider posting this on a feminist sub (re-written slightly obviously) but thought I’d be treated more compassionately here!

The reason for this "lol girltalk" ending is baffling to say the least. RPW used to say to leave the "f"(feminist) word at the door and not bring it into discussion, but this OP is doing just that. The funny thing is, redpillwomen is only redpilled when men are active there(none married men, of course).

 

Now what was the response? The post and the comments agreeing with the OP got upvoted a lot for the time and active sub base for the sub. Here's a part of one of the highest rated comments:

 

I consider myself a feminist because I support many of the same causes you do. I think here - as MissNietzsche pointed out - there is a definitely sense of "well obviously we support all those things because we're not terrible people!" However, there are most definitely people (on the internet and in real life) who do not, so I call myself a feminist because I want it to be crystal clear where I stand on those things.

Keep in mind that while the rules no longer say to leave the "f" word at the door, it does in fact now say that RPW is an anti-feminist community. Does it look like one to you? Awfully a lot of feminists in there.

 

This is kind of what I was getting at with my post. I've always wanted to call myself a feminist but I'm struggling to see positives in what the fight for feminism seems to mean today. I had never heard for 1st/2nd/3rd wave feminism before so I'm glad this was brought to my attn in the thread.

And there's other comments saying that the community isn't anti feminism, but anti third wave feminism even though the subreddit doesn't even state a wave, it says it's anti feminism in general. Why can't she let go of the word "feminist"? It's because she isn't redpilled at all.

So that's enough picking comments and part of the OP here, now onto what happened to RPW and why women can't escape feminism.

 

So, what happened? Redpill subs and websites usually link to the same general content and expose gynocentrism and the false narrative in society that women are oppressed and men are privileged. There's manwomanmyth, Karen Straughan, The Red Pill movie just came out -- where is any of this in the sidebar? All rpw care about is finding a husband and trying to fit feminism into a redpill philosophy?

 

Anyone who took the redpill(and not just posted on a subreddit) knows how feminism operated from day 1, it was never about equality, not the suffragists and not the 2nd wave either. Women don't personally benefit from the redpill, so they are never as interested in it as men unless they are trying to get closer to those men. The only good reason why women would call themselves "redpill" is to show solidarity and reconcile with men. If all men were blue pilled manginas, would there be any redpill women? No, because the point of a woman calling herself "redpill" is to placate men, it's essentially to apologize for feminism.

WGTOW, RPW, WomenAgainstFeminism, etc. The reason why all these female-led groups turn feminist or die is because they were created around the idea that their actions would bring them closer to redpilled men. If they don't get rewarded with praise or male interaction, they quickly get discouraged and lose the will to continue and eventually fall back to the feminism planet in the sky(remember that story? Yeah it was pretty bad, I know).

 

RPW is in the midst of being returned back to the feminist sphere because it's entirely pointless for them if they can't propitiate men. Half the mods are inactive, the active users are all relatively new and more feminist than redpill and the whole sub turned into a generic female empowerment sub where instead of explaining things to newbies, they somehow bend all logic and reasoning to make themselves happy(feminist and redpill? The fuck). In the eyes and hearts of the manosphere, Feminism is cancer, gynocentrism is cancer. Redpill women avoid calling themselves feminist because of the ill feelings attached to the name. Even if they agree with "parts" of feminism, they still don't use the label, same way nationalists don't say they agree with "parts" of the KKK or Nazism.

 

Conclusion

If you think redpill means different things for men and women. You're actually right. The journey is the same, but the destination is completely different.

"redpilled" women largely like to stay in spaces with redpilled men because the opinions and praise of other "redpilled" women is meaningless and not why she adopted the label in the first place. Men jump down the rabbit hole for answers, vindication and for emotional and financial health. Women jump down the rabbit hole to follow men.