Woman goes to the AskMenOver30 sub and asks why her Alpha fuckbuddy won't commit.

HumanSockPuppet · 2016-01-31T19:06:44+00:00

You've got it wrong.

His reluctance to LTR-her-up has nothing to do with her having sex within three days. In fact, she wouldn't have enjoyed this much time with Mr. Ryan Gosling look-alike if she hadn't.

Notice, instead, how she made no mention of of the value she added to their dynamic. Likely because it was nothing.

A man will make into girlfriends only those women who imprpve their lives in some way. Sex is such a baseline minimum that it doesn't even qualify as a benefit. It is the floor upon which the measurable benefits must be built.

Average McFlatTits here was an easy lay and a boring date. That's all there is to it.

mugatucrazypills · 2016-01-31T18:48:31+00:00

maybe he's not happy and wants to communicate more

MattyAnon · 2016-01-31T18:16:39+00:00

Hilariously she doesn't say anything at all about him other than how hot he is, that he is living with his parents, and blah blah blah relationship woes.

As if men have to commit to women, or they are violating some rule of nature or something. She is talking like there has to be a reason to not commit. The solipsism is so intense, she can't see why he doesn't want to give what she happens to want from him.

In 2016 there is every reason not to commit. Commitment makes girls lazy, branch swing, lose interest in sex and try to get even more commitment and resources from the guy. Agreeing to be exclusive is the first step on a long slow steady decline. Don't blame the guy for not taking it.

Committing to an average girl who offers little other than endless relationship waffle? No thanks.

PrinceofSpades · 2016-01-31T19:30:49+00:00

FYI your last quote isn't from a thirsty beta, it's from another woman. The first line is "Not a man-BUT..."

Really, this explains the argument logic loophole flaw presented even more so than any beta post could, because it's coming from a woman: 'it isn't his fault because he was getting easy sex, BUT DONT WORRY GIRL IT ISNT YOURS EITHER FOR BEING EASY YOU GO GIRL! #girlpower'

Fucking spare me.

Screenp2 · 2016-01-31T19:46:18+00:00

Ah yes.. the ole i put in sex, pulled the handle but didn't win the prize boo hoo

Sorry honey, I'm not a vending machine you put sex into to get a relationship out of.

gonorealover · 2016-01-31T19:04:06+00:00

And this goes to show once again: You do not need to be the very best Super-Alpha in the room to bag chicks and have sex on the regular. All you need to do is meet a standard of attraction and give her tingles and you will have her clutching your ankles desperately.

NakedAndBehindYou · 2016-01-31T18:11:40+00:00

I'm frustrated. I have a lot going for me, I'm well educated, on track to become a physician, hard working, and I think I'm a good person.

Do men sometimes stay with a girl who they are less than attracted to just because it's easy? Is it possible he just wasn't attracted to me enough?

WOMEN NEED THE RED PILL!!!

Men like to fuck female bodies. We don't need anything else from the woman except the ability to get an erection from looking at her if all we're looking for is sex. This is basic male psychology. The more unscrupulous men among us will tell the woman whatever he needs to in order to keep that stream of sex coming.

It is ASTOUNDING that many women are still unaware of this dynamic. They assume that because a man wants to have sex with them, he is actually attracted to them beyond a superficial level.

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-01-31T21:01:52+00:00

Girls are stupid, once they upped their N-count they figure they might as well keep hitting their head against the Chad Commitment Wall.

she mentions he looks like Ryan Gosling.

This is a major dumb move most of these women make. They go for the hottest guy on the block. Either they are massively entitled, inflated self image or just plain stupid- usually it's all three. Do you think that this guy is fucking an HB10 hottie? This girl is a meager 7 at best and that's why he's just having fun throatfucking her.

I'm frustrated. I have a lot going for me, I'm well educated, on track to become a physician, hard working, and I think I'm a good person.

Another female hamster dum dum. She thinks that guys are equally attracted to these qualities. We are not, we like hot women. She ain't hot and fails to see it and thus never improves her look. Probably dresses like a slob.
The bottom line is that all these women make the two big mistakes. First they pick the hottest guy that will fuck them and figure that they can nail him down. Second they never bother upping their looks- post wall they just give up.

How weak and stupid can one be?

BeardofOrion · 2016-02-01T00:47:30+00:00

You're wrong about her being a med student, OP. I teach undergrads, and "On track to becoming a Dr." means she's a second year psychology major with a mediocre GPA.

She's as dull and self-fellating as they come. Easy to see why Mr Gosling wouldn't commit beyond baseline sex.

50pluspiller · 2016-01-31T18:48:02+00:00

Men are the keepers of relationships, women keepers of sex.

Men today have no need to commit to a relationship, why buy the cow when the milk is for free? Plus, the price is way too high for a relationship that most likely will crash and burn.

tallwheel · 2016-01-31T20:01:04+00:00

How is a girl a slut for giving head after 3 dates, jeez RP you're pretty judgmental today

getomc · 2016-01-31T19:44:02+00:00

Guy is fucking a fat chick while living with his parents and you're dubbing him an "alpha male?"

Boovs4life · 2016-01-31T19:26:17+00:00

I read here a couple of moths ago about how if a woman doesn't sleep with you by the 3rd date she's probably gonna put you in the friendzone or sees you as her beta provider. What is the standard rule until a woman sleeps with you without coming off as a slut or waiting too much?

David949 · 2016-01-31T22:59:26+00:00

When I was reading your post I got a laugh out of it because I had a similar experience. I dated a 30 something woman who made 6 figures, made it easy to date her and gave up sex on the first date. After a while she wanted to know that I was open to the possibility of a relationship that it would go that was eventually. I remember specifically one night that she actually pointed to herself up and down and she said how come you don't want to commit to this. Like she was the catch. It's funny to hear a woman's perspective like this because I was the aloof asshole that gave her the tingles

Haha thanks for the post

TermsOfColors · 2016-02-01T00:50:57+00:00

Well she will probably never see this, but this is how that scenario plays out, with a few differences.

First of all, the lady in this example is actually fairly attractive. I'm guessing more so than the girl in OP - this lady had really good skin for one thing and a nice figure. This all happened, it was like watching a multiple car pile-up on the freeway from a safe distance. Anyone with half a brain could see exactly what was happening and what the outcome would be.

Anyway, what happens is the two marry. She opens a successful practice, he becomes Mr. Mom (she shits out a sprog fairly early in the marriage) and does odd jobs on the side. Landscaping, minor carpentry and renovation - sporadic at best. Mr. Mom pushes the stroller through the park every day and gets familiar with the stroller crowd (the fox is now in the henhouse). Puts the wood to at least two of them, the jury is out on the third. Jealousy erupts in the stroller crowd and he gets outed. He manages to smooth things over with his old lady but he's on lockdown which makes things even worse. Fast forward a few months, another desperate housewife in their social circle separates from her husband, and Mr. Mom takes up with her and finally the marriage implodes into a pile of rubble.

It's just an unnatural set-up. Anyone could see this. I wish I could say it's amazing that someone intelligent enough to become a doctor can't see it, but I can't because I have seen it too many times. This is just one example, I have others. It happens time and time again, all over the place.

2016-02-01T08:51:14+00:00

Shit, he's 30 (?), lives with his parents, "might" go to med-school some time "soon" ... and she wants to LTR him?

Jesus fucking christ, I'm jealous. Him just getting all that for free just because of good genes ? Fuck that is demotivating.

OneMoreAcct · 2016-02-01T15:52:09+00:00

So this guy is an Alpha because he looks like Ryan Gosling, found a 6 to fuck and won't commit? Yet he's living with his parents and has no ambition. Yep, sounds like a beta to me.

You do realize that simply fucking someone doesn't make someone Alpha right? There's more to it than just Alphas and Betas. There's also Omegas.

mugatucrazypills · 2016-01-31T18:45:39+00:00

is this really an alpha ? more like a pretty boy/babyface, dude is 30+ lives at home, and hooks up with SMV5 doctor

sounds like a bottom feeder to me, he's one acne outbreak away from failure

Orig_analUse_rname · 2016-01-31T20:45:02+00:00

Last week I read that if a woman makes you wait for sex, she's not worth it. Here, if a woman is interested in sex early, also not worth it. Make up your damn minds, I'm beginning to think you all just want something to bitch and moan about.

randarrow · 2016-01-31T20:00:52+00:00

Fun opinion from when I was young, my friends who lived at home were married, better looking, and better at dating than me. They had next to zero stress so were better able to take care of themselves. Zero expenses were were better able to spend money on themselves and their friends (better cars, cool trips, cool clothes, interesting hobbies, etc). They had time to do anything, and were less stressed, so were more fun to be around.

Me on the other hand, moved out at 17, worked three jobs at times, drove a shitty used car, supported myself, was out of shape and could rarely get get a date. Guess what, even though I was effectively the only adult in my group of friends, I was the least successful in all social areas. My friends had no empathy for what I was going through. And, I had little respect for them in the end. (New friends now thankfully).

Simple matter is, doesn't really matter what kind of person she is or or the other is. Simple matter is, one is the cool/laid back/attractive live at home person and the other is the stressed out/poor/ugly college person. Of course one is attracted to one, and one not the other. One has the patience for one and not the other. The commenters and the OP (and every red piller) need to understand this dynamic, move on, and quit whining about it.

2016-01-31T19:41:49+00:00

I have to say, the funniest thing about this people don't realize is 5 months is roughly 150 days, give or take a couple. Think about how long a day is.

That's a LONG ass time for this woman to have been orbiting him (it sounds like) exclusively, and him in return keeping her at arm's length for the whole ordeal. I'm not sure if it's my short attention span/propensity to get bored very quickly but I can't keep a woman around that long that I don't really have feelings for.

Viscart · 2016-02-01T01:19:39+00:00

you call a girl a slut if she waits 3 dates?

T0000009 · 2016-01-31T22:40:39+00:00

The really pitiful thing is that any guy who really embraces TRP and puts the time in will at some point IMPROVE no matter where he is in life today.

Sure, not all of the blokes here will be James Dean, or can cream panties like Sean Connery, but overall, the advice is solid and you will become better as an individual. It may be just the fitness, or the life lessons, could be good habits or fashion sense. What matters is you become a better and improved version with more to offer and new options while dropping a lot of the self limiting beliefs which led to failure.

NOW this dumb sow will never get dialed into that, she will chase her hot dreamboat forever and not once look in the mirror and figure out she hasn't got what it takes. If the dude is as hot as she claims then he is looking to score an equally hot dame, not some pig with a nice hairdo who brags about how awesome her job is.

mikazee · 2016-02-01T03:01:45+00:00

That and the fact that you showed all the tell-tale signs of being a slut unworthy of a LTR. Sucked his dick on the third date, made excuses for his failings in life, spread your legs for him over and over again despite knowing that he was using you.

Now I won't tell you that you have to agree with me, but I disagree with the part about sex on the third date contributing to being unworthy for an LTR. The other signs I can understand but having sex soon should be neutral.

Think of it this way. If a woman made you wait 2 or 3 months for sex, would you trust that she'd have sex often after the first time with you, or would you move on because she probably will make you wait whenever she needs it because she knows she can make you wait?

It's a catch-22 where if she has sex soon then she is unworthy, if she doesn't then you move on.

As an alternative, I'd posit that having sex soon is a neutral thing and if she wants to be an LTR she has to further prove her worth by having a good personality, sense of humor, compatible interests/goals. Otherwise you just never get into an LTR because of the aforementioned catch-22.

Thoughts?

trp-lurker · 2016-02-01T03:37:44+00:00

Meh maybe I'm a little late to the thread but most of the top rated comments are all sound advice. Most of them mention that he probably isn't attracted enough/has better options and doesn't care about the things she stated (education etc).

Labeling everyone over there as "thirsty betas" is what gives this subreddit a bad name. You are really reaching.

Lurker_IV · 2016-02-01T03:39:13+00:00

Here is an idea you haven't considered maybe. SHE is blue pill also. Women can be blue pill can't they? I'm rather new here so I don't know that ruling yet for sure.

Here is my theory: she is just as brainwashed as any blue pill guy. She thinks LTRs are they way things are supposed to happen. She doesn't know any better just like some poor blue pill guy doesn't.

disgruntled_tomato · 2016-02-01T04:05:22+00:00

oh my god, posts like this make me so glad i discovered this sub reddit. hilarious writing and interesting perspective/insight. keep up the good work sir.

SkorchZang · 2016-02-01T05:54:59+00:00

as patient as possible with him about his timeline for a relationship, etc

There is no timeline. Bitch, wake up. It is 2016 - you're not entitled to a relationship.

Harry_Teak · 2016-02-01T07:38:31+00:00

It could also be that he felt he wasn't good enough for you.

Yeah. That's probably it. Good call.

2016-02-01T07:50:35+00:00

Three dates isn't a slut. That is absurd.

The norm is sex on date one. If a girl fucked me after 3 dates I'd consider that a point in her favor.

nohomeforthebrave · 2016-02-02T03:48:47+00:00

Damn you are an angry person. How does this add to your life in any way?

RPmatrix · 2016-02-02T11:02:10+00:00

where are you from bro?

that's three hours of having drinks or three dinners. If that's enough for a girl to wrap her lips around a stranger's cock, then don't be surprised when I call her a slut.

You're kidding? i'd say i've fucked most of the >100 chicks I have within 3hrs of knowing them, half the time less than that!

Too many guys don't know how to escalate, read IOI's and follow through to what's possible, and IME that's worse than not even starting in the beginning!

If it gets around a social circle your 'Alpha Game' fades when it comes to the nitty gritty, you'll be seen as a 'male sexual fraud', which for many women is almost worse than being beta pussy!

fuck man, If i'm not trying to put my hand in her crotch when my tongue's in her mouth I'm not trying, and the amount of times I've discovered a dripping snatch which I've fucked shortly thereafter, is the majority. chicks get horny and like guys they too want to 'get it on then and there ,,

Most chicks love the idea of "being 'taken' (coz you're so HOT for them) and pounded into a mindnumbed, almost speechless jellylegged servant! lol I quite like doing it to them!

2016-01-31T19:54:24+00:00

The odds of a woman holding back any sexual act for several weeks to size up a man is an extremely unlikely, although possible concept.

A man with any respect for himself who invests his time and money will grow tired of those kind of games because if he so chooses to be seeking a relationship, then he is a provider of sorts and there is an expected return on investment. (Yes there are all the smv factors to take into account yet a trade is still expected to some degree, especially in the early stages of the interactions leading to a relationship)

In today's day and age if a woman holds out any sexual act for several dates, she will get dropped because she knows that if she is with a man, that same man can find someone else, as long as his smv is higher. If his smv is lower than hers, then she could most likely string him along like the good little beta bux he made himself out to be and she won't even have to spread her legs.

assured_destruction · 2016-02-01T03:53:29+00:00

Uh what? This guy is not alpha. He's living at home, does he even have a job? he's dating a ( maybe ) 5 and she is dumping his sorry ass, and he probably really never has had a serious relationship. He's probably boring as hell, but happens to be good looking.

'wants to go to business school IN A FEW YEARS!' That's Not alpha.

Moolg86 · 2016-01-31T19:25:43+00:00

Wouldn't really call this guy alpha, probably just a good looking beta.

Op is hung up on him and his good looks and fallaciously thinks that her academic and professional acheivements factor in to his attraction for her, when really he's probably slumming it by fucking her, because he's used to much more attractive women.

Naturally all she can see is why he won't commit. I gotta hand it to her though, 5 months is pretty quick for the average female IMO, but then again she's probably only a few years younger than him, and i'd chalk up her heightened senses to the fast approaching wall.

gonorealover · 2016-01-31T20:23:19+00:00

In no way are these people a match. In physical attractiveness, she is well below him, in terms of ambition, the opposite. They fucked right away, and he has given no indication that he would even consider it. But in her dopey fantasies, she rescues him from the basement, in a wonderful reverse pretty woman.

If this was my friend I'd tell him to commit. Wait until she's making beau coup bucks as a Doctor, and spend it all on cool shit.

StoicCrane · 2016-02-01T04:24:28+00:00

Those comments posted by orbiters made my stomach churn. Hamsters need to be called on their bull not consoled like an entitled prissy princess. Disgusting on too many levels.

CornyHoosier · 2016-01-31T23:20:57+00:00

I'm frustrated. I have a lot going for me, I'm well educated, on track to become a physician, hard working, and I think I'm a good person.

How does her being well-educated (an education is good, but I'll take intelligence over education any day; but that's a rant for another day) or a doctor attract him? And she thinks she is a good person!? That usually means no they aren't.

What the fuck. I've seen plenty of women who are too involved and busy with the careers for them to focus on a relationship; but they see their friends with boyfriends so that is what they want.

Next!

slothsenpai · 2016-02-01T02:22:31+00:00

If he's a bum still living with his parents with an aloof personality, then why does a girl want to be in a relationship with him? Doesn't it defeat the purpose of the AF/BB paradigm?

2016-02-01T03:33:31+00:00

Sounds to me like he maybe needs to grow up a bit and figure out what he wants.

Sounds to me like he wants to not have a relationship, and is grown up enough not to go back on it just because someone wants him to.

If she can't understand how someone else could ever fuck anybody they don't intend to marry, "grow up a bit" isn't a bad start in terms of her continued learning.

max_peenor · 2016-02-01T20:45:55+00:00

MOD> Guys, there have been a lot of negative responses to threads like this lately.

OP> It's okay, I actually didn't think the responses were negative! I like reading the constructive criticism.

MOD> I'm trying to be proactive.

Uggg... M'Lady isn't even in distress and the white knight is on the dealing with the troublemakers. Anyway, about the post. One of the comments you highlighted:

My guess is that the complete lack of ambition that allows him to be such a complete waste of life extends to his attitude about women.

No, you ditz, it's the complete availability of sex that allows him to be such a complete slayer of pussy. Show of hands, TRP, who here has the ambition to give up sex so you can look at the same face every day?

hailhailhailandkill · 2016-02-05T12:29:57+00:00

Maybe she would have a chance if she was "hotter tighter forty pounds lighter lzozlzozlzzo"

In memoriam da GBFM.

itsmehobnob · 2016-01-31T19:15:52+00:00

he didn't want to be in a relationship... needs to figure out what he wants.

People must want what I want!

johnchapel · 2016-01-31T23:45:11+00:00

I like how this whole sub has turned into "He's just not that into you" stories

Local_Crew · 2016-01-31T22:37:33+00:00

Lol, I used to be the aloof bum swimming in pussy. Makes this story hilarious.

Even at my lowest, it was exactly like this. With a sea of "No one will know" fucks who all wanted relationships.

Adolf_ghandi · 2016-02-01T13:13:25+00:00

Tbh it i find a girl that is able to wait for the third date to fuck me I'd be amazed.

Title	Woman goes to the AskMenOver30 sub and asks why her Alpha fuckbuddy won't commit.
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Date	January 31, 2016 5:53 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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