Action Always Beats Intention - a cheat sheet on game / approaching

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Hello, I am re-posting this game post of mine from an account that I had to delete. I am tired of seeing all of the concern trolling. The OG's are still here, lurking. Be kind to our new members. Challenge them to think. Continue to post your (well formulated and thought out) ideas. New members will continue to pop up out of the weeds, seeking growth, yet their discipline and ego's are weak. Accept it for what it is. Teaching others is the best way to truly understand the material.

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  • Let go of your outcome.

  • Strive for FUN.

  • You can never be certain that she won't reject you, so give up on green lights (IOI) and GO.

  • You rely on “pickup” lines to eventually discard reliance on pickup lines.

  • Normal guys are boring and slightly awkward when /if talking to hot chicks

  • Even if you are totally boring and awkward, the worst you can be is normal.

  • NOT opening a girl means you are a selfish dick who wants to retain all the awesomeness in your life for just yourself.

  • She is just as nervous, if not more, than you.

  • Women go into public to be opened, they put on make up to be opened, their "girls nights" are designed to get dick.

  • See yourself as a man that women desire.

  • Know that you can and will please her.

  • Always assume that it's on, that she desperately wants you, and that you hold all the cards.

  • Have the attitude that you are auditioning or testing the girls to see if they meet your standards.

  • Never focus on your looks (genes), focus on how you present yourself

  • You deserve the best of everything.

  • Be Energetic.

  • Be Well-groomed.

  • Be Sexual (Thoughts and Actions.)

  • Show desire through eyes.

  • Be Confident.

  • Be Relaxed.

  • Don't be a friend; be a lover.

  • Slow movements

  • Minimal smiling

  • Contrapposto

  • Impatient outward glances

  • No hands in pockets

  • Open legs

  • Straight back

  • Hold your drink low

  • No fidgeting

  • Low vocal tone

  • Slow speech/accentuate every word

  • Don’t laugh at own jokes

  • Take up space

  • Avoid nervous tics/self-grooming

  • Pregnant pauses

  • Look straight or up, never down

  • Center yourself around your crotch


  • Don't wait to approach her until she's alone. Even if she likes you, her friends will soon drag her away.

  • Don't stare at her for more than three seconds before approaching. Hesitate, and you'll either creep her out or psyche yourself out.

  • Don't be afraid to approach her just because there are men in the group. Often, you'll discover that she's with family, friends or co-workers.

  • Never open a conversation by apologizing. Phrases like "Excuse me...", "Pardon me..." and "I'm sorry, but..." make you sound like a beggar.

  • Don't hit on her or give her a generic compliment. Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion.

  • Never, ever buy her a drink. You shouldn't have to pay for her attention.

  • Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise"

  • Don't lean in or hover over her. Stand up straight and, if the music's too loud or she's seated, simply speak up.

  • Don't ask her what her name is, what she does for a living, or where she's from. She's bored of talking about the same things with every new guy she meets.

  • Don't focus all your attention on her when she's with other people. If you win her friends over, you'll win her.

Approaching Groups - 2+

  • Approach indirectly. When you begin speaking, talk over your shoulder. Do not face directly or lean in. This will make them uncomfortable. As they become more comfortable with you, then you may turn in and join the group.

  • Do not hit on the woman you are interested in right away. Win over her friends first. Even ignore her, if you must - this will only pique her interest. If she does something silly, tell her friends: "You can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere!". This will make her friends feel safe with you and make her wonder how you could possibly be unaffected by her charms. Note: this should not be an insult, but more of a tease, like one might do to a little sister.

  • Enter with an energy level equal to or slightly above that of the group you're approaching. Everyone's out to have fun. If you are able to make them have a little more fun than they're currently having, they'll accept you.

  • Use a neutral entertaining opener. To start a conversation, ask a question that will pique the attention of most people. Two subjects fascinate everybody: relationships and the unknown. So ask, for example: "Where would you take someone on a blind date?"

  • Root the opener. If you don't let the group know why you're asking then they are going to think you're taking a survey. So add a story: "I'm asking because my friend over there just moved to Los Angeles, and his boss has set him up with his daughter. It's kind of a lose-lose proposition."

  • Offer a time constraint. As soon as you approach, the first thing the group worries is, "How long does this guy plan on staying here?". Until you win them over with your humor, personality, or special skills, you must short-circuit that fear by telling them, "I can only stay for a second, because my friends are waiting over there."

  • Demonstrate value. Now that you have approached and talked to the group, the next step is to make it so they don't want you to leave. This is where any skill you know - or can learn - will come in handy, whether it be magic, hand-writing analysis, palm-reading, psychological personality tests, or teaching her something about herself. You'll know you've done it correctly, if you pretend as if you are going to leave afterward and they drag you back to talk more.

Banter - HAVE FUN. Little Sister mentality

She Tells You Where She’s From

>“Oh no, a [location] girl? You guys are trouble.” When she asks why, “[location] girls are all brats” or “They’re always hitting on me. They’re really grabby.”

Artist, painter, sculptor?

>“Oh my god, you’re not going to ask to draw me naked, are you? I’m not falling for that again!”

Musician, poet, writer?

“So where do you get your inspiration for writing? Do you need someone to break your heart? Because I’m really good at that.”


>“Oh my god, are you a rich girl?! Because I’ve been looking for a rich girl so I can stay home all day and sit on the couch, eat potato chips and watch TV.”

Student ?

>“Oh my god, are you cutting classes right now?”


“I’ll take 17 cups of coffee.”

“I’ll take a large coffee. And put a little extra love in it for me!”

“I’ll take a massage and a warm bath.

“So what do they pay you here, like $10,000 a week? No? That’s too bad. I was going to ask you out. But I’m looking for a rich girl.”

You run into her again

“That’s so cute, are you following me?”

Talking about the weather ?

“Oh my god, I am hiring you as my meteorologist.” Or “What’s with this horrible weather? You did something to anger God, didn’t you?”

She’s carrying a shopping bag or says she went shopping ?

“What did you get me?” When she starts to answer cut her off and say “No wait, just surprise me with it later.”

She spills a drink or does something stupid ?

> “I can’t take you anywhere. Go wait in the car. This is why you can’t have nice things.”

You’re In line in front of her ?

> “You’re not trying to cut in front of me are you? Because I’m pretty tough”

Or if you’re in line behind her

“I’m not trying to cut in front of you. I wouldn’t do that. You look pretty tough.”

She Tells You Her Name and it’s Strange –

“Oh my god, you’re the fourth [her name] I’ve met today!”

Showing interest is a great conversational pivot from these banter examples to more serious conversation. At a high point during banter — when she’s laughing or smiling and generally digging the vibe — you show interest in a simple, straightforward way. Something like “You seem pretty cool” or “I dig you… you’re all right” works great.

Bonus - Masteron_The_Don's Kino Specialty - THE BOOB TOUCH

You'll need to be holding a drink in order for this to work.

When you're talking to a girl and standing close to her, you lean in and talk into her ear while the hand that's holding the drink makes contact with her boob.

Leave it there; you'll be surprised at how many girls let you keep it there and they may actually push up against it.

Remember, this is the back of your hand touching her, so it seems totally unintentional.

If she backs away, you can immediately realize that she's gonna take some effort, so if you want you can next her without wasting any more additional time. This move can be pulled off minutes after introduction.

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Title Action Always Beats Intention - a cheat sheet on game / approaching
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Date 31 August 2016 02:20 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]voomer5340 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your McDonald's or mine? great for dinner dates.

[–]sj2k62 points63 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are great examples of openers, well done

I actually use the "looking for a rich girl" line but end it with wanting to be a latin cabana/pool boy (I am very white) or a stay-at-home dad with no kids

[–]trp_ocd17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for reposting, and reminding us you're still around. Gotta keep this team together, it's all we got as we improve ourselves.

[–]no_face54 points55 points  (50 children) | Copy

Lots of good stuff here. I'm going to suggest a few changes based on my experience:

"Where would you take someone on a blind date?"

Canned Mystery Method openers were effective in 2004 but are now well known. My suggestion is to come up with your own, that reflect your unique style and personality.

"Where would you take someone on a blind date?"

I'm asking because my friend over there just moved to Los Angeles

My suggestion is to not open with a lie. Most people are uncomfortable lying and this will cause anxiety, adding to the anxiety of approach.

Oh no, a [location] girl? You guys are trouble.

Canned replies actually will be effective here. However, you will always feel more natural when you develop your own style of banter. Remember, you will always be a poor copy of Mystery or RSD but you will be a stellar original of yourself.

Final Note: Being attractive and high value will make all of this easy. Being unattractive and low value will ensure that none of these work. So work on improving yourself first!

[–]RPSigmaStigma39 points40 points  (4 children) | Copy

Personally I think The Game was the worst thing to happen to pickup. The problem is, people read it as an instruction manual, but it isn't. People read that book and think that magic tricks are a great way to impress girls. Mystery didn't learn magic tricks to pick up chicks, he learned them because he was interested in magic and was already working as a stage magician. His use of magic in pickup was just his way of incorporating his own personality and interests in to his pickup style.

The lesson should have been to find something you enjoy and are good at and incorporate that in to your pickup style. The problem with The Game is that Strauss is a simple-minded aspie who took Mystery's personal style as a cookie-cutter guide instead of learning the underlying principles. So people read The Game and get a simple-minded introduction to Mystery's pickup style instead of his general theories of pickup.

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Underrated post of this thread right here.

[–]RPSigmaStigma13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man, I could write an essay on these kind of problems and misconceptions. I've thought about writing an OP for this sub about it, but it would just get buried among all the other random bullshit "bro, just LIFT, bro, just LIFT! Seriously, bro, LIFT and fuck dem bitches, bro." posts... That shit gets upvoted like gold, like /u/GayLubeOil and his trite /r /GetMotivatedAndBuyMyTshirts shit.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I never reply to anything but this comment hits home. I dream of a red pill sub where we can discuss real intergender dinamics without everyone parroting "LIFT FUCK 10 GIRLS LIFT". Then they complain about MGTOW being an echo chamber, lol. Game is something you develop by falling flat on your face hundreds of times trying to pick up girls, not something you internalize by about it. That said, canned openners can help if you don't posses good social skills.

[–]AttackOnKvothe21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Final Note: Being attractive and high value will make all of this easy.

Always spot on. Have the best preparation possible.

[–]RPSigmaStigma3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Somehow at first I misread that as "have the best penetration possible", which would also be good advice. :P

[–]Anubis816 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

Being attractive part seems like a catch 22. To be attractive you need confidence. To get confidence work out, study and get a better job. Just one of these things your probably looking 1-3 years before you get to one of these things, get a good weight or you get that degree or you snag that job. I'm making progress in these fields been about 4 years now but I have very little to show for it. What am I doing wrong?

[–]executiveintern 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy

Improving yourself isn't a means to an end it's a constant process. You said you haven't been improving as much as you like, for one thing you need to set realistic goals. Secondly, you need self-acceptance before you can become outwardly attractive. Lastly you have to be serious about it you say you've been trying to improve but if you haven't seen the results you might need to increase your efforts if you hit the gym up once a week you're not going to get a good body.

Phone formatting ^

[–]Anubis816 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

I've lost around 90ish pounds so far, that took 3 years to get that and I'm nowhere near where I want to look like. I pretty much hit the gym 5-6 days a week. Self acceptance is another thing I've been working on. From therapy ound I had adhd, comorbid anxiety and depression. Yay. So to me it seems like mostly an uphill battle 90% of the time.

[–]nuferasgurd11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

You got dealt the hand you have. Just keep improving even if it's an uphill battle.

[–]Anubis816 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

Do I get anything at the top of the hill or the middle. It's like I missed the class or handbook that tells you how to get out of the hole. At 27 I thought I would have had at least one girlfriend or at least a fling with some chubby girl and not considering paying for sex and blowing my brains out. FUCK.

[–]nuferasgurd6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

The thing is, there is no top. There is no finish line that says "You made it!" The only end is death. You have to learn to take each day as it comes and live in the present. If you can't enjoy the now you will never find peace. If you don't already you should start meditation.

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[–]nuferasgurd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Set aside some time to figure out what you want from life. Set concrete goals then break those goals into short term goals. After you have those goals set stop worrying. Nothing comes from worrying. Action keeps us grounded in the present, so get busy working towards what you want.

[–]chaseemall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My mindfulness comes from lifting. It comes from feeling every muscle I'm trying to move and where I'm balancing.

I'm then doing the same thing while walking, feeling my body and how it moves.

I like to categorize things I'm anxious about into threat levels. 10 is "I'm literally about to die," 5 is I'm at some risk of injury here, physical or otherwise. My life will be affected significantly. 0 is no threat. If it's below a 7 it's not worth worrying about.

[–]RPSigmaStigma2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Have you considered therapy? A good therapist experienced with adult ADHD can do wonders.

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[–]RPSigmaStigma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe find a different therapist. There's nothing wrong with shopping around for a therapist. Good therapists can be hard to find.

[–]newgrounds0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Battles were made to be fought

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[–]newgrounds0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you aren't aware, you can't lose.

[–]no_face3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lose your concern for the judgement of others. This is called many things by the wise: Stoicness, (mental) yoga, IDGAF, etc.

Know what you can and cannot accomplish.

Go ahead, attempt what you must and do not care about success or failure.

Live your life this way for about a year and you will be confident

[–]madethewrongmistake-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy

Put on your female thinking cap (fickle, narcissistic, petulant) and come up with a reason for them to approach you. You have something they want and think they can get by flirting. Now don't give it to them. Done deal.

[–]jzekyllandhyde3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You could use this to never approach women ever. Elaborate

[–]Anubis816 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm confused. I can't think of a reason for a woman to approach me.

[–]madethewrongmistake1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

They want junk food. Be a waiter. They want a quick buzz. Serve coffee or bartend. They want to get into the cool clubs. Be a bouncer. They want homework answers. Do it early. They want a discount. Be a salesman. They are afraid of being fat. Be a personal trainer.

Fickle. Narcissistic. Petulant.

I'm sure you're all kinds of awesome. Great; they don't don't give a fuck about that right now.

[–]Anubis816 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This still makes very little sense to me. From my understanding your saying that this is the only way to get women to approach me? If they don't care about it then why would they ever.

[–]madethewrongmistake-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Because they want shit. This is not an elaborate theory; stop overthinking.

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[–]madethewrongmistake1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well, another option is to be a research scientist in a 99% male field, and pretty much never see women. That's what I chose, but not until after a few years in the night club industry where I slayed quiff mercilessly to the epiphany of how pathetic most of them truly are.

There are many more practical ways to have something that women want that don't require sidelining career goals. They want to be invited to things. Organize a cool event. A lot of them work as recruiters. Be a top achiever in your field.

I really don't know why you are fighting this. It is the most logical and simplest concept out there. Come back to it after you've spent a year trying to master 'game'.

[–]nuferasgurd-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then you either have nothing to offer or don't know what women want.

[–]antariusz3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Surprised you didn't comment on "hands off the merchandise"

In my experience, if a woman begins touching you, unsolicited, it's game on, she's looking for you to escalate and isolate. She feels comfortable with you. It's not a shit test. (At least it hasn't been with me).

Touch her back, put your arm around her, act like you've known her for weeks and treat her like she's your girlfriend.

[–]RPSigmaStigma2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, my theory is that anything can be a retroactive shit test. If a girl starts touching you, and you suddenly start to get over-eager and act like her touching you is something you aren't used to, it'll register as an automatic DLV. Playing a little push/pull game in these situations is a great way to sub-communicate that women initiate touching with you all the time and you're used to it.

Edit: to be clear, the "hands off the merchandise" line is intended to be delivered with a wry grin and a playful attitude.

[–]no_face0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is correct. For beginners, I would simply start with holding her hand. If she recoils, pretend like it never happened and continue conversation. If her hand relaxes in yours, escalate further at a comfortable pace (don't be too fast)

[–]marplaneit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some of these openers are so fucking cringy. The funny joke is the way to open.

[–]youcantdenythat-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you're attractive, it doesn't matter what you say. You guys need to bang this line into your head with the biggest fucking sledgehammer you can find:

She WANTS you to come talk to her

She wants you to break the ice. It doesn't matter if you come over and ask her "What's your sign?".. ok maybe that one is too lame, but even canned pickup lines are fine if its not corny and you use it to break the ice because SHE WANTS YOU TO COME TALK TO HER!

[–]rayboomboom3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Straight up honey really I'm askin Most of these niggaz think they be mackin but they be actin Who they attractin with that line, "What's your name, what's your sign"? Soon as he buy that wine I just creep up from behind And ask what your interests are, "who you be with"? Things to make you smile, what numbers to dial You gon' be here for a while, I'm gon' go call my crew You go call your crew We can rendezvou at the bar around two


[–]RPSigmaStigma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think canned lines are great if delivered in a strictly ironic way. You know, in that winkwinknudgenudge "it's funny because it's cheesy" kind of way.

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This is perhaps the most motivating realization. If you're decently good looking and lift, basically the majority of women want to fuck you. All you have to do present yourself in a confident way. You just need to satisfy a small part of their social/evolutionary conditioning which seeks to weed out the total losers. Every man out there just needs to chill the fuck out, have fun and let it flow.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag45 points46 points  (0 children) | Copy

that banter section was cringeworthy as fuck. i really hope you don't say any of that shit in real life.

[–]writemeoffgiveuponme11 points12 points  (21 children) | Copy

These are great. Post more if you have more! Do you have a good reply to "I have a boyfriend" when you know they're shit testing you?

[–]trp_ocd32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy

So do I. It will be our little secret. Shh

[–]BrosacTheRed29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Don't worry, I'm not gonna steal him away"

[–]2virusofthemind19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you've approached from behind or out of her peripheral vision then it's most likely an autopilot response as you startled her and her unconscious mind comes out with the response she knows is the most effective in getting guys to leave.

If the approach is correct and you do engage her and the subject of her having a boyfriend does get mentioned the best reply is simply to nod and carry on exactly as you were ;Tyler Durden of RSD calls this "barreling through" and it's very effective.

By not reacting at all you're not only showing alpha credentials you're creating confusion in her mind as to if she has misread the approach and you may not be actually hitting on her at all.

For the next 3-4 seconds she has to run a frame re-evaluation program in her mind and for those few seconds she undergoes what's known as a "Transderivational search" where her limbic brain increases its percentage of information processing to assist the pre-frontal cortex.

When the limbic system is accessing the "real world" without attenuation from her PFC (the critical factor) then whatever you're saying or doing gets unimpeded access to her attraction and sexual trigger centres. If you're familiar with embedded suggestions then this is the best time to use them.

Indicators of a transderivational search are: Softening of muscle tone in the face, pupil dilation and slowing of speech cadence.

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[–]Peter_B_Long3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Don't worry, we'll try not to make you feel like a third wheel"

[–]JeeBs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My favorite reply when they say they have a boyfriend is:

"Whoa, we just met, and you're already telling me your problems?!"

[–]dhump2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

When inviting a girl out, my response to the boyfriend excuse has usually been "that's fine, he isn't invited anyways".

[–]TheRedWay7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one is perfect.

Oh really? I have one too! But if I wasn't gay, you would be mine

I'm not really into three ways, so he will have to watch

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[–]McCoop_2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Let me know when you want a man friend."

Not mine and never tested, but I chuckled when I first heard it.

[–]getwoke3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's funny too -- needs solid delivery and shouldn't be wasted on girls who give the rapid-fire "Ihaveaboyfriend!" rejection during daygame ( probably false half the time, just due to their discomfort with the entire interaction. )

[–]our_guile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"I have a boyfriend"

I don't care.

[–]slay_it_forward5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is all Mystery Method

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yea very PUA-ey. The attitude bullets were good though.

[–]All_Beans_August3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, like, This is copy pasted from Mystery Method/Tyler Durden

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol, yea I recognized it from The Game

[–]RobertCarraway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lot of David D in there too.

[–]blackfin16 points17 points  (12 children) | Copy

The boob touch is pretty subtle, never tried that. I usually ask for a high-five and then hold their hand a little longer than normal and see how they respond.

[–]trpthroway12329 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm sure I'm not your target, but holding someone's hand after a hi-5 to judge how receptive they are to physical contact seems incredibly awkward.

Have you tried "sharing a secret"? Say "I want to tell you something". Lean in, hand on hip, pull them close, and whisper something random in their ear.

"My beer is empty" or "does your friend always laugh that loud?"

Doesn't matter what you say, what matters is how they react to you requesting their attention, touching them, getting close.

If she steps into you, proceed. If she leans in, proceed with caution. If she does neither, probably creeped out.

If she kisses you, call an uber and take her home.

[–]blackfin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I typically use high fives in general, a lot. I don't hold their hand in mid air, I hold on as we're bringing our hands down and seeing if they pull away. I learned that through some PUA video (Mystery?) years ago and it's usually a good indicator for me. If they pull away quickly, they aren't that interested yet and I wait and push in other directions, such as when you're standing beside them bump them with the side of your hip with a grin and see if they bump back.

[–]trpthroway12310 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was picturing you giving an over the head hi-5 and then just holding their hand instead of slapping it, awkwardly standing there with your hands in the air and seeing what happens.

What you describe doesn't sound a whole lot less awkward. "This isn't what I signed up for" must be running through her head when a simple hi-5 turned into some eye gazing hand holding test.

I might just be getting old, but those "excuses" to touch, the "games" of bumping people, just aren't in my bag of tricks. I just do it, and do it in a way that can't be misconstrued as friendly. A hi-5 can be mistaken, a hand on the hip and a whisper in the ear can't.

[–]youcantdenythat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Awkward can be funny if you do it right. Embrace the awkward, laugh at it, it can be an endearing moment.

[–]blackfin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You've made some really good points, I suppose some things in my approach aren't as overt as they should be leaving too much room for misinterpretation.

[–]KumonRoguing6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Boob touch is gold. This is a secret that even trp should have kept hidden away.

[–]Recon_by_Fire0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Then follow with a skill like a magic trick or analyze her handwriting.

[–]blackfin10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

God no, the PUA material had some useful stuff in there... and some shit that bordered on gay.

[–]microwave441 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

remember the "chick crack" post? women don't care about what seems gay or not to dudes

[–]blackfin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Chicks might not care but I do. I'd rather not cave in on my frame to impress some girls using parlor tricks.

[–]microwave441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed it's bad to use stuff that seem out of your style, but don't disregard or hamsterize these completely. Putting your ego above results never works well in my experience.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been here a year and I had never seen this post. Very good field reference material for gaming babes. Thanks

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn.... No more sending dick pics through Snapchat

[–]jzekyllandhyde3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's something going around Facebook about approaching women on headphones and feminists are exploding

[–]microwave443 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

talking about this?

also get ready to be flamed for using fembook

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Is there a typo here? What is it supposed to say?

Don't wait to approach her until she's alone. Even if she likes you, her friends will soon drag her away.

Very good post, will keep some of this in mind going out at the end of the week.

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Don't wait until she's alone to approach her.

[–]Life_Disciple7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think he meant that if you wait until the girl is alone to talk to her, even if she likes you her friend group will come back for her soon. And like this post describes I'd much rather introduce myself to a group rather than tag along behind a girl into her group.

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please explain mr music critic, and then post your passions and explain how they are objectively better

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mate you legit suggested to grope and sexually assault a woman as a way of hitting on them youre fucking cringe and this subreddit is a meme

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using a forum website to talk about techniques to do with my hobby and to discuss a popular tv show with a large following? i need rape tips?

[–]ShagrathBG0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Touching a boob is sexual assault now? Holy shit, where is this world going...

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groping a chick without consent is sexual assault, and its serious and shouldnt be experienced by anyone. this thread is actively advising people to use it as a means of flirting, this shit only works in the fucking mind of you people which think life is like a music video, if you grope a girls boob while whispering some corny phrase in her ear it will not make her want to sleep with you. you will be publicly embarrassed, called out, and possibly face charges. if you have the common sense to flirt with a girl without sexually assaulting her, youre definitely not taking advice from this thread. from what ive been reading, if some random gay dude came up and whispered shit in your ear while grabbing your dick, you guys would fuck the guy up. if you felt wronged and assaulted so would a girl.

[–]ShagrathBG0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This went really off topic. OP is talking about "unintentionally" brushing a boob, not raping left and right. Maybe it's because i'm not in the USA, but the worst i've gotten for intentionally grabbing a boob is a slap and people thinking it's funny. It makes the girl slightly uncomfortable at most. Being "publically embarrassed, called out and posibly facing charges" is ridiculous and i'm really sorry if it's the state of affairs at your place, that's not normal. About a gay dude grabbing my dick, it's happened and i was mad for about half a second, then laughed with my friends. 2/7, would not recommend, but i'm certainly not fucking a dude up for that, even though i'm rather homophobic.

[–]SudoAptGetMeASammich2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


What is this?

[–]PlantNutrient2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love it when RP veterans post specific examples of their teachings. It really helps create a mental image of the intentions of your posts. These are some good ideas, especially the aspect about approaching Groups

[–]fuckedupintentions4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know that this is a different situation than it is with a stranger but I used like three or four of the approaching advices on my ex immediately after I read this article and it worked so smoothly that I wondered if I turned on some cheat mode somehow.

[–]Redwolf9153 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

tl;dr: Chicks dig confidence. :)

[–]Fly_Swim6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy

Center yourself around your crotch

Life is so hard w a smaller than average ding dong, please help me

[–]youcantdenythat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not your shlong, your balls

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

Don't let your insecurities define you. Having a small dick isn't going to affect any aspect of your life except for sex and relationships.

[–]Fly_Swim0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

thats a pretty large part of life? Isolation is the worst torture, and sex is 1/3 of life

[–]jzekyllandhyde1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

Don't put sex on a pedestal and do penis enlargement exercises

[–]Fly_Swim1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

probably the best advice I could possibly hear in this stage of my life, thank you, i knew to not put women on the pedestal, and after 30 years of sacrifice and smv building, i can have any broad, but still pedestalize sex

[–]jzekyllandhyde0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

But honestly how small we talking

[–]Fly_Swim0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

its all about the degree of affliction

i ask many women who i vet/soul read for honesty, they say 6 to 9 is good

mines closer to 5, 5 girth as well, not the 6plus they all prefer

so i just dont see how a guy could ever be 100% alpha if SMV is a factor bc the main red pill awakening for me was learning about the NEAR UNIVERSAL DISTASTE OF SMALLER THAN AVERAGE PENIS BY WOMEN

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Bro youre perfectly average not small. Get a grip.

[–]jzekyllandhyde0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Because It's synonymous with a lack of Masculinity. Own your micro and don't rely on it for her orgasm. Do BDSM and get her off in the other ways. Stop discussing it you know damn well women don't know what they want. There's a study that says having a big dick makes women more likely to cheat, with a smaller dick.

Which means, it doesn't matter.

[–]Fly_Swim0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

synonymous with a lack of Masculinity. Own your micro

u think 5 is micro? u sure ur not trolling me? Will you please tell me your size? since there is only 1 unknowable fact for a heterosexual man, other mens erect penis size, i do want to know how i compare to my peers, please give me 1 sample size

[–]jzekyllandhyde0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If women see it as micro there's no minimum length. You could have a nine inch and women would complain it isn't thick enough. You could have a five inch long but a six inch girth would make it big. You can't have sex for the woman's pleasure you'll never succeed regardless of dick size. And mine is 2.5 inches longer but same girth. I use a ring to make it fatter.

[–]mehdreamer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Average size. I am 15 cm(barely 6 inch)...never heard a girl complain about it...I guess a 7 would be perfect...but guess what..We can't have it all.

Same as for height. I am 5'11". Wish I was 6'+ but gotta work with what you have.

There are very few lucky bastard who got the full package in is unfair, we all know that..but not sure these perfect guys are fulfilled and happy in their life.

[–]NietzscheExplosion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh My God!

Do you just pick up women in a church?

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i like to have a good laugh when i'm in the club so my openers are the most cringy, unfunny openers because it makes me and my friends laugh.

we thought of one where we would go up to the girl and yell GAMBOL ( in some accent) and move our hands like we are shoving all our chips in the middle of the table.

that one made us laugh for awhile.

i feel like things get stale if use.

" hey whats up" ( though i do like 75% of the time) or something to this effect.

[–]king_of_red_alphas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Above all, make sure you are in nimbus stage and approach from a 32 degree angle.

[–]HS-Thompson3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

This isn't bad, but the PUA world is no longer a secret, some of this feels pretty dated, and people have heard this stuff before. Really obvious negs and really canned openers are probably not going to work except on the lowest value women, it's worth spending a little mental effort to come up with some new stuff.

With that said it's pretty much invariably better to do any of this stuff than to do nothing.

[–]SudoAptGetMeASammich4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy


What is this?

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Great handle. So, you're into Red Pill and Red Hat?



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[–]thelaptopliquidator0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Slow movements Minimal smiling Hold your drink low

Any reasoning behind this?

What's wrong with smiling? Women like happy men. They're fun to be around.

Slow movements? You're not being pulled over by a cop.

Hold my drink low? I don't mind fights, but I sure don't pick them, and you're asking for it, after some dude inevitably bumps into you and spills your drink.

Also those lines are terrible.

"> “You’re not trying to cut in front of me are you? Because I’m pretty tough”

Best case scenario? She thinks you're an idiot with 0 sense of humor, because that's not even a little funny.

Worst case? She thinks you're an edgelord

"Oh my god, you’re the fourth [her name] I’ve met today!”"

Really bad. Just like how stupid guys love to brag about how smart they are, and guys with tiny dicks love to talk about how hung they are, she's going to assume you don't know any women.

Like dude, trying, way, way, too hard. Have you bothered to use any of these? Because I feel like the natural response is 'Cool, go talk to the other 3 [Insert names] then!'- it's just too easy and it pops right in your head, she'll spit it out before she even thinks.

Even "Sup baby" is gonna work better than these...

[–]youcantdenythat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, you have to be a little attractive before these will work.

[–]Yankee_Fever1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not what you say, it's how you say it

[–]Answers_with_lead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The body attitude can not be stated enough. Especially the not fidgeting part.

[–]billsmashole0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I like this but what is contraposto and how do I center myself around my crotch?

[–]marianasentmenudes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You center yourself around your crotch by your hand movements and body language. If your language and hands are mostly in your chest-area and head, she will seldomly think of your dick.

On the other hand if your hands enjoyed movement in the crotch-area, as well as obvious body language that makes it move, the chick will get more sexual ideas about you

[–]youcantdenythat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Imagine your groin is the center of the universe

[–]billsmashole1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That should be easy, thanks

[–]enkae73170 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Here's a good one I used before if they're a student.

"Isn't tonight a school night?"

And go off from there. I usually add "you guys are bad girls for staying up so late"

or "i'm telling your parents"

Be imaginative.

[–]enkae73170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you run into her again "wow, are you stalking me?"

If she has a nice purse, "hey nice bag, do you have a gun in there or something?"

I got a couple more but yeah, canned material is nice and all but use them sparingly.

[–]RedDeadCred0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The first section was spot on, but a lot of your advice for openers and not touching is debateable. It's a form of screening for dtf chick's to be sexual open and aggressive.

[–]stawek-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is advice for great looking guys.

They know there is a girl waiting for their dick, so they can screen chicks to find her out quickly and not worry about scaring away those who just aren't sure yet (or just aren't as slutty).

Your average Joe can't do it. Sure, it is great for screening, but without looks he will discard all chicks. There is very little chance a chick is immediately dtf with a plain looking guy.

Every advice is only as good as it is applicable. Chad behaviour will not necessarily work for non-Chads.

[–]RedDeadCred0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's no other way that it will be worth it. You are so much better off spending that energy on your appearance than trying to convince a chick that isn't automatically attracted to you to fuck you.

Your average Joe will always be without pussy.

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Two quick questions:

*what do you recommend to do with your hands if the reflex is to hang them into the pockets?

*what is with the holding your drink low? why does it work?

[–]HiGuysiamkewl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Impatient outward glances

Can someone explain this one to me?

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

/u/Masteron_The_Don thanks for reposting! Great write up. I have a question though.

No hands in pockets

I read that putting your thumb in your pocket with your fingers pointing towards your dick is considered confident body language. Always feels weird to me though. Thoughts? What do you do with your hands?

[–]Roelor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ALL I know about picking up girls rely on me being a foreigner. I'm never going back.

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NOT opening a girl means you are a selfish dick who wants to retain all the awesomeness in your life for just yourself.

Today in a coffee shop there was a girl who came in and sat across the table from me. I was prepping for a phone call so I ignored her and took the call. After the call I did my own thing for a bit, was too pussy to say hi right away so kept doing my own thing because "too long" had gone by and nothing happened worth talking about. She started covering her face and buried herself in her phone.

I remembered this tip as I was packing up my stuff and said hi to her, as she was about to be at a table alone with an empty coffee and a phone. She wasn't immediately receptive and didn't really realize I was talking to her at first (I talk softly, gotta work on that too). Then I said hi again and just asked what she was doing, and we talked for like 20 minutes and I made a plan to hang out and got her number and we walked 1/2 a block together. She'd probably have come to my place with me but I noticed a wedding ring and didn't lead her there, sent her on her way at the corner.

"Don't be a selfish dick" and not open her is great advice and I remembered reading it here 2 weeks ago, because in the mindset of "I am the prize" it made total sense. I've tried to remember to do it since but this is the first time I've put it into action. I shared my light with that chick for a minute and she loved it even thought she didn't seem to immediately. Solid eye contact and she offered kino at the end and follow up texted me, ez. Thanks OP, all the stuff was good but this one is gold.

[–]ecosci0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey its not that serious dude all a man needs is options outside of the women in many forms including hobbies, jobs,friends, sports and family dont waste this much energy on females because all situations are different and her emotions change rapidly your list is like telling a boxer to bob and weave up down and jab it works everytime until hes in the ring with a young mike tyson and lights out what just happen to me you need to learn female nature before posting man an true alpha with game will never post this much info.

[–]Mckallidon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good post. What boys need to do is just get their feet wet and just talk to everyone and be themselves. You don't know what will happen!

[–]madethewrongmistake-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guys, seriously, how much time and money do we have to waste in bars before we realize that becoming a PUA is quite possibly the least efficient path to success with women, possibly right after becoming a male feminist (but I'm not sure)?

You'd do better in less time with zero game and a part-time job at Starbucks.

[–]aherne180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise"

Why? Right in my "good days" I simply picked the weakest target that is attractive enough, approached and started dominating right away with sex as sole goal. It worked! Even more so, it awards you chad treatment for the rest of the night.

[–]redpillnexus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are the best openers I've ever read. Please post more.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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