Hey guys,

What's up -- I'll keep it brief. Went MGTOW primarily three years ago without knowing it haha. I've never been too in touch with societal standards from a dating view-point. Don't get me wrong, I love people, having conversations and actually understanding things and how they work; but, dating in the modern age is essentially pointless. Unless two people are committed to each-other there's almost this hyper-visceral obliteration we feel from social media, our friends, and even the people we don't like tearing the constructs apart. It's an unhealthy pressure I think we can all agree we put on each other. I feel like we're at a disadvantage with the industrialization of modern society, while we lag behind, fucking like animals and pretending it's something else. Trust, even your mom probably likes it doggy. Not meant to be an insult lol, just saying I know how the game is, and you do too if you're reading this... (& this is coming from someone who hasn't used social media aside from here so, this is very much an outsiders perspective.)

I also feel like SOME women immediately assume or expect something greater than I can ever provide. But, I do my best to ignore those feelings and work through them. Most people are just stupid at their core, and no one truly has it figured out, not you or I. I've met so many stupid men, and to say that all women are the same, I just don't really agree with - it's not a fair statement. I can't be lumped in with Charles Manson or any of those crazies, we all have our own lane and we have to learn to play our position. I do believe in women's instincts being the same, just like our instincts are too; but call it for what it is, don't just slap a label on it and leave it dusty box in the garage titled "That's it, Bobby".

I really enjoy bringing other men up. Even men who have done me wrong in the past, there's a certain brotherhood that always needs to be established. A code of ethics and laws we have to live by, and not just assume it's always there. Snakes are always there. By being MGTOW, I'm able to actually focus on my goals and my own life. It's not so much of a visceral feeling, more of an actual hunkering down and figuring my own life out. It's my responsibility, anyhow. I haven't been in a relationship, but I do understand the more complex dynamics of them, and I understand the consequences of being alone. I just find more inner peace in having less people in my life, not for them, but for me. I can socialize as well as the day is long, but there's a certain emptiness in communication without meaning. There is always a longing we have to quiet to find answers, and healthier ways to cope.

...I know this is a big statement, with all I've just said.

But, reflecting back on my entire experience, I have met maybe two woman who've had my best interests at heart or I felt they actually wanted me to succeed, or TRULY feel safe or comfortable. Including family. They've always had other-interests. Whether it was self-interests, or hidden agendas.

Thoughts on this?

I just, have never felt anything but pain aside from that, and I do negatively associate it with women at times, but I try not to. On the opposite hand, I have always felt a certain level of comfort and comrade with other men, but it always shifts as soon as a woman is involved. Again, I understand the game, but I'm an adult and I don't play games anymore. I hope we can have a good discussion, thanks for the guidance, gents.