Only fans contribute to the problem of women being objectified and hurt themselves and are bad examples to other women.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-04-19T00:11:35+00:00

ELI5. There is plenty of free porn out there why pay for it. What do these sites offer?

sirpsychosexy8 · 2020-04-19T04:57:23+00:00

The moral argument you're alluding to has to boil down to what's good for the greater society, not the individual. Wide scale soft prostitution will be detrimental to the traditional family model going forward, that is irrefutable.Thing is you can't force people to do the right thing morally when the incentives are all backwards. Women are insecure in a future family life and see a window of opportunity to capitalize on arguably their best asset. You cannot fault them for the act, but It demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt, our society has failed young people miserably, and created a pernicious, highly sexualized underground economy which trickles into the SMP and produces a whole lot of broken hearts, empty wallets and crushed dreams. It's a regrettable thing.

aahdee21 · 2020-04-19T01:04:34+00:00

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Boobear3 · 2020-04-19T05:12:31+00:00

Why is this mainly targeted at onlyfans? How is it any worse than porn, nudity in movies, tv, modeling? Onlyfans could close down but women would still be objectified everywhere else

It is just very telling that so many men are so outraged and mad over this onlyfans stuff, meanwhile other porn doesn’t bother them, probably bc they know it’s made and produced by men. They don’t like knowing that onlyfans gives women the option of earning a lot of money independently without some men abusing her / taking most of it for themselves.

Even “nofap” was mainly created bc men didn’t like being dependent on porn or wanted to feel more confident and less depressed - it wasn’t because men care at all about women being objectified.. lol. Sad but true

pinkgreenpurple · 2020-04-19T10:08:53+00:00

Remember: it’s men and patriarchal culture is what fuels this. As a girl growing up you get sexual messages online from boys in your class and grow up being exposed to pornography. Growing up as a girl with technology means learning how to perform your sexuality for men. If you’re lucky you get encouraged to focus on your intellect, but not everyone does.

This is what happens when you grow up in a porn obsessed patriarchal world as a girl. You get desensitized to it and see the money making potential so you can take some control back.

oranges-orangejuice · 2020-04-19T00:01:05+00:00

If you could get 100k for selling half-naked pictures, you totes would lol

Likunfanele · 2020-04-18T23:50:23+00:00

OK cool so stop paying whores for nudes. Don't like women selling nudes to porn addicted squirter? Don't jack off to pictures of whores. Don't like women being sluts? Find a girl and marry her, make babies. Raise the babies with good values.

I believe women have every right do do whatever they want

Lol. Then wtf are you complaining about? In lolbertarian land anyone can do whatever they want. Stop complaining dude your very first sentence is you believe women can do whatever they want. Jesus christ white knight simps continue to be a major source of amusement.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-04-18T23:48:01+00:00

Lmao we need to stop paying e thots because free porn exists anyway

-OpportunityCost · 2020-04-19T03:55:32+00:00

Its just sad. Women are taught nowadays that posting sexually explicit photos in Instagram is an normal thing to do and then with that comes the dopamine rushes from gaining hundreds and thousands of likes. Go to any college aged girl's Instagram and you will see tons of skimpy photos of them.

On a side not I watched a documentary about how women get recruited into porn and nearly all of them said being a sex object was empowering LOL.

coconutismyreligion · 2020-04-19T11:50:24+00:00

Paid or not, easily accessed or not. Men will always view us as objects for sex. I'd rather women get compensated for such behavior than put up with it with no compensation

stonedkyuby · 2020-04-19T04:22:22+00:00

Onlyfans consists of women (majority of whom are in shitty financial situations where they can't just "get" a respectable job that "contributes to society," whatever that means) profiting off of female objectification. Misogyny and female objectification has existed for centuries due to significantly larger factors. It will exist with or without porn. It's ultimately pragmatic that these women take advantage of the shittier aspects of society, and it's far more humane than the porn industry.

crookedsummer2019 · 2020-04-18T23:48:02+00:00

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[deleted] · 2020-04-18T23:53:18+00:00

Many young people are facing job instability so it should not be a surprise that some women seek to make money that way. Keep in mind that women do not have the same options as men. Women cannot work as technicians or electricians. Nobody is going to trust a female electrician. There is plenty of evidence of discrimination against women in multiple jobs. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/06/07/new-study-finds-discrimination-against-women-and-racial-minorities-hiring-sciences

http://ftp.iza.org/dp12611.pdf

https://theconversation.com/bosses-face-more-discrimination-if-they-are-women-from-employees-of-any-gender-125292

If you click these links, you will find sources that show that women face discrimination, especially in high paying fields. In fact, TRP is actively advocating for discrimination against women in the workplace and politics. Here's a quote by Rollo saying that he would never vote for any female politician.

https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/1251319310699487233

What options does a working-class millenial woman have in this day and age? Become a waitress? A cleaning lady? Because those jobs are complete shit and don't pay anywhere near as much as the jobs that wc men do. Of course, they're going to turn to sex work and I don't see why they should be judged for it.

These women are not degrading themselves. They're simply making the best of a situation.

tiposk · 2020-04-19T01:49:33+00:00

The problem here isn't women objectifying themselves or men objectifying women. The problem here is that many people see women engaging in sexual behaviors as degrading. Nobody tries to rescue male strippers and porn stars from their professions so why is there the need to rescue women from theirs? Nobody cries objectification or slut-shames women for showing their tits in tribes where a naked body is just a naked body.

Sekina7 · 2020-04-19T08:33:52+00:00

Sounds like basic sour grapes to me , plain and simple ....

Sekina7 · 2020-04-19T08:50:10+00:00

Men love ogling and sleeping with /fapping off “whores” porn and easy women for SEX when it suits them -preferably for FREE of course but then get on their moral high house when it comes to marriage & commitment? This is supply and demand and only further goes to show the VALUE of female sexuality and how women have been trained to give all the benefits to men !! This Jealousy & double standards plain & simple.

skystar86 · 2020-04-19T00:25:56+00:00

They do it because of men. They figure since men want a 3 date sex rule and balk at paying for coffee they may as well get paid for doing sexual things.

If the men aren't gonna marry them there's nothing to lose in their mind by doing this. Usually a loss of marriage prospects would stop them but since marriage isn't on the table nothing is lost.

Marriage is female status and once that possibility is taken away they will lose nothing since the men didn't want to commit to them anyways. Men caused this.

Speaker7 · 2020-04-18T23:51:39+00:00

Women do not mind being sexually objectified. What they want is to be objectified on their own terms when, where, and how they decide to be. If they are objectified against their wishes for whatever reason, then you get the angry Lillith types in a tizzy.

SaBahRub · 2020-04-19T02:14:02+00:00

Nope. If men are just in it for the sex, why not get yours while you’re at it.

These women aren’t forcing anyone to do anything

CHAD_TDK · 2020-04-19T02:54:44+00:00

Yes and No.

The Yes part you know it.

The No part: Free Will

Adult women making a life's choice, a business choice it's after all their own choice. More power to them.

Like any choice in life there are some effects and consequences. One immediate effect is cash flow, some other might be:

learning about lighting and photography, possibly cinematography
learning about psychology, management, and customer service
learning about running a service business

There might be some unintended consequences and blowback, and - should that happen - those will be invaluable life lessons in accountability, they should stand tall strong of the fact that they made those decisions out of their own free will; and move on with their life.

Such is life.

stonedkyuby · 2020-04-18T23:39:24+00:00

Why are you taking accountability away from women? Women through their actions time and time again prefer to be sexual objects. If a woman wanted to be respected, they would be virgins till marriage.

YasuotheChosenOne · 2020-04-19T03:06:33+00:00

Ignore it. This is the natural order of things.

asdf333aza · 2020-04-19T05:21:17+00:00

Don't worry about onlyfans. It's a new phase. It's fast money, like stripping. It won't last.

Eventually it will die out from some kind of scandal or simply becoming oversaturated to the point that folks can't make money off it cause so many girls are doing it. Or maybe guys will realize how fucking sad they are and stop paying for it.

No matter what the cause, it's not something that will last forever. We had myfreecams before. Then there was clipsforsale. Then there modelhub and pornhub. Then there was patreon. And now onlyfans. They all die out eventually.

passepar2t · 2020-04-19T06:32:29+00:00

It's cyberpunk as fuck so I'm all for it for that reason alone.

Indumentum97 · 2020-04-19T07:19:08+00:00

Not even for her body, they’re paying for pictures of their bodies. Who would spend money for that? There is so much free porn out there.

richlad · 2020-04-19T07:56:41+00:00

Simply existence of other women hurt any woman.

Existence of a better more sexually elusive and seductive woman creates flight risk for other woman's partner.

mexicantjr · 2020-04-19T07:58:46+00:00

Women can do whatever they want, as long as I agree with it 😡

2020-04-19T09:06:39+00:00

I agree that self-objectification is bad for all women, but it can be financially empowering for individuals. You can feel gross and be grossed out by men but at least you don’t have to touch them. It’s sad men benefit from female desperation and women’s looks being the thing they’re valued for above all else.

SILENTSAM69 · 2020-04-19T15:55:41+00:00

This is why the leading cause of most of women's problems with the way men view women is the actions of other women. Women get mad at men for thinking things about women that other women taught those men to think.

Bosses who think they can flirt with female employees because of the female employees who flirted with the boss to get ahead.

Guys who think women like assholes because of all the women who liked and rewarded assholes.

Men who think women only care about how much money he makes because of the women who are only attracted to his money.

You get a few women who think they are teaching men how to behave properly and a dozen women who reject him for listening to those few women.

pixelatedlizard · 2020-04-19T04:28:09+00:00

I agree but onlyfans is a better than porn as A)the girls are less likely to be trafficked if they're on there B) it stimulates our own economy and doesnt give cash back to the porn industry

poppy_blu · 2020-04-19T08:29:23+00:00

Webcam and Instagram hoes are such a minority, I don’t get why so much time is devoted to this topic here. I really don’t. No one talks about this shit IRL.

BruhMoment45886 · 2020-04-19T00:06:08+00:00

its just a job dude

Troy016 · 2020-04-19T00:45:38+00:00

This is just female empowerment. This is what they chose, to be used , to get money

asdf333aza · 2020-04-19T06:18:41+00:00

And then girls wonder why guys only want sex from them? Sex appeal is every where. Not including flat out porn, you got profile pics with boobs out, tits out, doing a dance video with no bra, ass on the sink, twerking, skin tight leggings and everything else. You ask for a girls social media like fb, ig, twitter, Snapchat, tiktok or anything else and what she gives you on return is likely a softcore porn or wannabe modeling portfolio instead. And it's NOT just a few girls doing this, it's a shit ton of em.

Now we are normalizing girls selling their body for money. Girls are turning 18 and graduating high school and going straight to porn and sugar daddies. They don't even have to get into industry now, they can just make an onlyfans or Snapchat account. And they usually end up regretting later on, but can't think that far ahead. One more step closer to legalizing prostitution. You think it's hard to date or find a serious guy now? You're really going to be hard pressed to find a decent guy who hasn't brought one before and is willing to settle down, raise kids and be faithful, when younger girls all over the place are offering to fuck for 60bucks.

You may not be the girl doing it, but every girl around you will be a girl with her ass out at the beach. She'll respond positively to the attention she gets from her sexy pics. She'll send him nudes within the first week or so. And then, that gives him the idea to try it with you and every girl after you. You been telling girls to fuck society and do whatever they want, even if it is harmful to society. And then you wonder why society is getting worse.

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-04-19T09:16:31+00:00

Do you think these women agree? Women willingly objectify themselves if it benefits them. A lot of these women already know what they are doing. That’s why their online pictures are always filtered up and/or they have their boobs hanging out.

They don’t care whether it hurts themselves or other women because they’re getting money for it, and that’s all they care about.

The fact that they get rewarded for objectifying themselves reinforces the behavior. Female sexuality is pretty much based on women objectifying themselves because men are largely selecting for physical features which denote health, fertility and good genes.

If there was really a “problem” with women objectifying themselves, they’d stop doing it, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

mediumraresacrifice · 2020-04-19T07:45:19+00:00

I totally agree but I'd never openly express this opinion because people would be pissed at me and say that I'm shaming sex workers. And I also think that selling nudes can be a "" gateway drug "" to doing worse things. Trust me, the men that buy nudes will try to push you to do worse and worse things. :/

I_sort_by_new_fam · 2020-04-19T08:32:06+00:00

I personally believe its more ethical to pay for it than watching the free porn (which y'all are forgetting is made with drugged actors etc).

Also if you're that desperate people will still leak the content. Its quite predictable how most answers here are all about how it's "super easy" but it is not.

Also this point is being used by some liberal feminists. At the end it still boils down to opinion. The tricky part is both radfem and libfem agree that womens bodies are their own.

(also also i see a lot of guys being obsessed with that)

My 2 cents

ElGupo1978 · 2020-04-19T15:41:28+00:00

What for

Stainleee · 2020-04-19T19:30:41+00:00

I’m not really convinced this is a problem. Can you define what being “objectified” is and why it is bad?

ModernMedia · 2020-04-19T21:26:33+00:00

There is no victim here, while there is a mix of harm and benefit on both ends. I'd argue it's harmful to both parties, but to each their own. People hurt themselves in more serious ways and nobody gives a crap. People also make a lot of cash in even shadier ways and nobody gives a crap. There is no cosmic justice to effort and income

The argument about juveniles and teenagers having too early access to this type of content comes up a lot. While that might be true it's a silly way to approach the issue. You won't be able to censor the internet and other media. The only thing to do is educate and raise children to have a somewhat respectful and healthy perspective on gender dynamics and sexuality. There is a lot more degenerate shit on the web than nude selfies, responsible internet literacy has to be taught, which is a parental responsibility. Stop looking for external forces to blame

MuleFool42 · 2020-04-20T17:47:07+00:00

Nobody needs to stop anything. People are free to do what they want. But yes, I do agree that if women are fine objectifying themselves then the consequence of that is more men seeing women as objects first, actual human beings second.

That sucks, but it seems as if enough women are willing to make that trade off.

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Valeria_vs · 2020-04-22T21:36:22+00:00

I mean as long as there is a demand people will buy into it. You make it seem like it’s a black or white subject of choosing between onlyfans and a professional career in law or medicine. Yet the latter takes more time and money. It’s not unheard of to have college girls be cam girls/ pornstars to pay off their own college debt.

Just like being a YouTuber is an easy way to make money quickly. Even though their profession would not be considered essential the compensation comes quicker than a regular 9-5 job.

Just let people spend their money however they want. It’s a subjective opinion and it doesn’t really matter. I personally wouldn’t judge a person for making money through legal means.

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Sid_Insidious · 2020-04-19T01:35:29+00:00

Women and women alone objectify themselves by turning sex into a commodity and proceeding to sell that commodity to men.

Feminism says:

Women commodify sex because they need to because "oppression" and therefore cannot be held accountable for it because they are victims in a power dynamic.
Men purchase the commodity of sex because their privilege enables them to. Men exploit women for sex, and if men were stopped from doing this, the exploitation would end.

onlyfans and sugarbabies prove this theory to be patently false.

Women WILL sell their sexuality and men WILL buy it and feminism will never be able to stop women from doing this. Seriously, they have a moneymaker between their legs. Gals gotta pay rent. If simps are dumb enough to pay women for their bathwater or pictures of their feet, I say as a group they all deserve eachother.

SeemedGood · 2020-04-19T00:33:33+00:00

But I believe selling their bodies online encourage men to see them as objects.

Of course it does. Any time someone engages in sexual interaction with another for the purpose of gaining some utility other than the enjoyment of the sexual interaction, she/he is objectifying and using herself/himself.

If one objectifies oneself, others will also.

carlsberg24 · 2020-04-19T07:47:39+00:00

Women have the right to do whatever they want, but they don't have the right to demand respect in every instance. Neither do men of course, but the difference is that society generally comes down hard on men whereas it invents every excuse under the sun for women's bad behaviour.

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Title	Only fans contribute to the problem of women being objectified and hurt themselves and are bad examples to other women.
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Date	April 18, 2020 11:36 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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