Why are the caring loving fathers against their daughters being a housewife and dating an older man?

fosho_away · 2020-04-26T22:30:24+00:00

Anecdotally speaking, caring-loving fathers that I know want their daughter to date high value men that treat her right (high in status and pleasant/respectful).

The fathers know that for their daughter to land this kind of man, their daughter is going to need to pull her weight and be high value herself.

flamingoinghome · 2020-04-26T22:26:54+00:00

Because anyone old enough to have an adult daughter, and sane and steady enough to have a good relationship with her, has lived enough to know that Leave It to Beaver is a work of fiction.

Also, presumably dads, like, know their daughters? Anyone who has spent any significant amount of time with me knows that being a submissive suburban housewife who doesn't work would drive me crazy, and I certainly wouldn't be the best mother and wife I could be under such circumstances.

the-red_woman · 2020-04-26T21:53:34+00:00

Excellent point. My father is the same - an amazing man who always supports me to reach my full potential as a human being irrespective of my sex.

He wants me to work hard for myself and my development, have a fulfilling career, travel the world, have a beautiful life. He’s disapproved of my past bfs who were not real go-getters. He wants a man for me that he himself can respect.

This is true love from father for daughter. I would never accept anything less from a boyfriend either. I’ll only marry a man who wants the absolute best for me as a human being irrespective of my being a woman.

cheezypussy · 2020-04-26T22:50:56+00:00

Because those are normal people. If you talk to any guy if any age who isn't TRP obsessed, most would think getting married under 25 is insane. Most people think big age gaps are weird too.

ivy176 · 2020-04-26T21:54:50+00:00

Because having an old husband will benefit mostly this husband, not woman, and they know it.

He will want kids quickly and you will have less chances to do the things you love, like digital painting, playing in a band, web designing, camping in Norway ect. Husbands hobbies and opinions would be more important, as he would have the money.

Being dependent is not a good idea and they are aware of it.

Mulkvistee · 2020-04-26T21:50:25+00:00

Because fathers know the depths of male depravity and aren't beholden to groupthink when it comes to their daughters. It's a delicious bit of irony that a good father is gatekeeping by example vs the low effort hordes who think all men are on the side of women as fuck toys. They'll deny it, but they circle jerk women with daddy issues as easy fucks too much to be believed.

RinoaRita · 2020-04-26T23:35:14+00:00

These guys that complain about women’s standards and wish for the old days forget that most of them, with a few exceptions, won’t pass the muster of their family in laws.

Even if the standard is different it’s not necessarily easier.

Scavenger2246 · 2020-04-26T22:00:22+00:00

Because it's usually not an optimal strategy. First of all, unless the man is upper middle-class, most families nowadays will struggle to live comfortably on only one income.

Second of all, if you're economically dependent on someone, it's sometimes utter shit. Of course, not all relationships like that are the same, but there are some cases that are really sad.

Let me give you an example. My father controlled the finances in the family even though the wealth belonged to my mother. (from inheritance) She often had to neg him to give her money to buy BASIC THINGS THAT THE FAMILY NEEDED. Some of it was her own money that she inherited, but she still had to beg him for it. My father was also very irresponsible with money as he was a gambler and a weed user so my family struggled with finances despite my mother's family being relatively wealthy.

TRPillers hate women and believe that Men Are Wonderful. They don't want what's best for women, they want what's best for men, so you shouldn't take their opinions on what women should do seriously.

learn2earn89 · 2020-04-26T23:53:33+00:00

My father, who married my mother when she was 16 and was a working class Mexican immigrant, wanted my sister and I to have careers so we didn’t end up “stuck with no good for nothing loser” He would have flipped out at the the thought of either of us marrying before 23.

Scavenger2246 · 2020-04-26T22:00:52+00:00

I love this post

jumblesandtumbles · 2020-04-26T23:13:13+00:00

Caring, healthy fathers (and parents in general) see their children as people and want them to have what they perceive as the best life possible. If you love someone and want them to be happy, you don't want them to be with someone that sees them as inferior, someone that looks to manipulate them, someone that can't comprehend individuality. They also want their kids to fulfill their potential and experience life.

I know quite a few amazing guys out in the real world. The danger with quarantine and me entertaining myself with this sub is that it's easy to lose sight that, fortunately, the guys on this sub who say the worst things about women, post anecdotal experiences as evidence while refusing to consider women's anecdotal evidence, who rarely back up their opinions with reputable evidence and argue about the studies when other people do, just aren't representative of the majority.

mangolover97 · 2020-04-26T23:27:29+00:00

Men have different standards and wants for a partner than they want for their daughter. When discussing women they’re romantically and sexually interested in they will discuss requirements that are beneficial to men. A woman marrying young and being dependent is great for men, but it’s only good for the woman if her husband is an excellent man that allows her freedom. That’s not always the case and men know this, so they won’t necessarily want this for their daughters. All the men in my family are the same way. They’d keel over if I ever brought home a man that was anything like them romantically speaking. Amongst each other they’ll extoll the virtues of submissive women but in the same day tell me and all the other young female relative they’re fond of to never be dependent on a man because you’ll be his dog basically and you’ll be at his mercy.

nemma88 · 2020-04-26T23:06:07+00:00

Women who marry an older man live shorter lives and are in the least happiest marriages. As a base this set up heavily favours men and is a 'bad deal' for women. RP is interested in getting good deals for men, but indeed it's not the same deals they would want for their kin.

CraptainToad · 2020-04-26T22:11:11+00:00

No one has as low of an opinion of men than other men

Mimoxs · 2020-04-26T21:54:33+00:00

People are inherently self-interested. People do what serves their best interest.

When men are young, they want what they want and convince women/spread the ideology that what they want is the best thing for women. It benefits them here. Themselves > potential female partner.

However, when they have their own daughter, they care about her deeply and understand seeing a woman as more human - this woman is an extension of themselves. Themselves>extension of self>other men.

And men know deep down what male nature is like, they understand that what they may have promoted in younger years isn't actually the best thing for a girl.

Now, they change what they promote because now protecting their daughter serves their best interest, therefore promoting women's well-being/independence serves their best interest. Whereas before, getting a woman was in their best interest, therefore discouraging women's independence was in their best interest.

2020-04-26T22:58:58+00:00

First of all, I've sacraficed more than my daughters will ever know, for them! I love them more than anything.

That being said, and contrary to your post, i don't want any cocksucking chad anywhere near them! Because i know how he'll treat them. No idea where you got that shit from, but i don't think any father wants the smooth talking little prick anywhere near his baby.

The only fathers that are okay with their daughters having low standards usually turn out to be abusives parents and partners that don’t give a shit about their offsprings, but most fathers who love their daughters seems to wants them to follow a path that contradict what the redpill wants for women

This paragraph here, WTF? this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen! As if during a first date, we gotta sit the guy down and assign a value? Or, for that matter, i care if the kid iis a slob or a chad? It's HER choice! I only care if he's treating her like he should. Beyond that, if she's happy, I'm happy for her. If she settles, suddenly I'm an abusive father. You're really overthinking this shit! It's two kids having a date! Not something you can fucken solve with a computer, a red pill, a blue pill, or even evaluate! Take a damn chill pill and leave these other ones alone! For fucks sake!

Her happiness is all that matters. I'm her father and I'm going to feel like she "settled" no matter who she gets because she's the best! And she'll always be mine first!

Forgot to address the main questions. Why not a housewife? That's their decision once she marries. I encourage her every day to not be dependent on a man and be able to care for herself. That's just good parenting. If I'm dead and gone, her man leaves her, that would really be a vulnerable position to be in. My job is to protect her physically, as well as with knowledge. She needs to be prepared to fend for herself.

Older man?! Mine is 16 right now. Older men will leave feet first.

reluctantly_red · 2020-04-26T23:45:36+00:00

My daughters (I have three) can date anyone they want. However, I'd be seriously disappointed if they didn't get graduate degrees and have professional careers.

Oldest one's good. She's got a graduate degree from Berkeley and a six figure job.

Niki_Biryani · 2020-04-26T23:43:54+00:00

Which self-respecting father would want their daughter to get a sugar daddy? That is definitely not something redpill teach. In fact, the red pill teaches the opposite of it to have some self-respect and carry your own weight.

learn2earn89 · 2020-04-26T23:58:03+00:00

Men criticize other men so much more. I remember my uncle saw a picture of my cousin’s boyfriend before he met him. He said “don’t you think he’s too short and dark for you?” My cousin is 5’1” she’s short, the guy was probably 5’4” and yes he was dark.

Pontifex_Lucious-II · 2020-04-27T00:42:17+00:00

Fathers want their daughters to marry predictable high betas for obvious reasons.

saladfingers4141 · 2020-04-27T00:55:44+00:00

These have to be anti red pill fake posts surely?

ZealousidealIce2 · 2020-04-27T00:58:31+00:00

I am the child of a single mother. She always told me to have high standards when it comes to women too.

for instance, she demanded I marry someone with the same professional postgraduate education with similar income to mine. She shouldn't have kids previously. She shouldn't be sexually promiscuous as it's a sign of bad character. She should be supportive and considerate of my needs. She should avoid emotional manipulation. In addition, she encouraged me never to date too old as it comes with a lot of infertility risk.

How does that sound to you OP? Does that line of reasoning make you ask one question?

What am I bringing to the table? How attractive am I? Can I actually attract a woman in a conversation? What is my post-graduate education? How much money am I actually making? like who the fuck am I to be demanding such things.

That's the inherent problem with your question. Of course, good fathers want what's best for their daughters. I would want that too. However, too often, I am seeing a lot of women have a selection bias of what's important and what they bring to the table. Not every dad will go to his daughter and say 'lose weight or get a better paying job to get a good husband".

What is the true value of a good education? What value is a good education to a relationship if you have a dead-end job making 40-50K/year. Being a vet tech is cute and all but hardly appealing.

The problem with seeing this from a dad's perspective is that parents view relationships devoid of emotion. They seem them as mergers. I want to know what partner X brings for my perfect child. Sadly, once you start thinking like this we start going back to traditional views and that's hardly progressive

nevomintoarce · 2020-04-27T06:35:49+00:00

They know that what you described in the first paragraph benefits men, not women.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2020-04-27T12:53:01+00:00

The redpill ideology literally tells women nothing, you just made thos up

notyourmotherdotcom · 2020-04-26T22:15:51+00:00

Most red pill women do have studies and careers but still follow the adage of “women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of commitment” (that’s the female RP summarized”).

So don’t drop out of college and don’t forgo a career. But do follow that adage.

DraconianDebate · 2020-04-27T11:58:32+00:00

I'm a conservative man in a traditional relationship with a stay at home wife, and even my wife doesn't act like that. I have specifically pushed her to gain and keep educational credentials that ensure she does not need to rely on me for the rest of her life. I am also older than her but only by 5 years not 10-15, which seems pretty gross to me. Finally, the main thing that brought us together was mutual interests and eventually falling in love with each other. I would want that for my daughter as well.

I'm also not a TRP denizen though so that may account for my views.

loke2dabrain · 2020-04-26T22:26:24+00:00

Being a housewife is emberassing. It might have been glorified at one time but people now see housewives for what they are, lazy women who don't want to get a real job.

I doubt most dudes now a days even want a house wife for themselves.

SplushkaMcOwlFace · 2020-04-26T22:40:54+00:00

Father is right

tropicsGold · 2020-04-27T01:06:48+00:00

Red Pill is about helping a man be successful himself. A father has the interest of the daughter. It makes sense that they are opposites, because they are different teams, so to speak. A short guy wants to reproduce his genes, but a father wants his daughter to reproduce with tall genes.

Silverfox17421 · 2020-04-27T04:19:26+00:00

In other words, RP is reactionary, ultra right, throwback regressivism. Well, as a progressive person, why support this backwards barbarism? They want to wind it back to pre-Robespierre, to wipe out every forward change since the guillotines.

What remains? The Ancien Regime! Their Burkean primitive conservative politics follows.

Blue Pill, cucked, soyboy, mangina gender traitors and their feminist harpie allies are a plague, the enemies of all real men. But we fight them by being a light unto the world, not by fleeing backwards into darkness' false comfort.

InternalOperator1 · 2020-04-26T21:57:28+00:00

I think the optimal strategy for your daughter would actually be to get her to go to school for a decent career (nursing, engineering, doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc.), and when she's had 1-2 years career experience go for a man with a similar career 3-5 years older.

10-15 years is if you're a 20 year from a poor family with no career trying to leverage a young body into a lifetime of support, which, I wouldn't want for my daughter.

And anyway it's not hypocrisy, reproduction and mating is a competition. Obviously I want the best for myself and children.

Transmigratory · 2020-04-27T01:38:01+00:00

It also depends who you talk to outside this sub. Yes, this sub isn't representative of the general population. You have the redpill who have a chip on their shoulder about women and you have the other side who are determined to prove them wrong. The points both make are drenched with so much confirmation bias that it stinks.

gaydeath1983 · 2020-04-27T03:12:55+00:00

OP your dad sounds like a good guy. I'm thinking age gaps are at least kinda ok if they don't want kids, but it's way too traditional gender roles and selfish for a 21 year old young woman to give up her youth and experiences to be a SAHM. It's not 1958 anymore lol

carlsberg24 · 2020-04-27T04:40:20+00:00

If I follow the redpill ideology it says that the best thing I should do at 21, should be to stop going to uni, get married to a man 10-15 years older than me and be a SAHM.

Strawman argument right off the bat. It's not that you should be a SAHM mom, it's that it's a viable and honorable life path that is unjustly villainized to shepherd women away from family life and into "careers".

He’s not the only one, cause most of my friends that had a great relationship with their fathers seems to get the same advices which is studying, enjoying their youth, having their own money and then getting married to someone they love and they’re attracted to.

Again, you are arguing against a view that few people hold - no one is saying that you can't work or study or that you shouldn't enjoy life. I would guess though that if by "enjoying their youth" means sleeping around with random men, then your father would not support that. If he says he doesn't mind, which I doubt is the case anyway, it's because he's afraid of you abandoning him.

My uncle literally hated his daughter’s boyfriend because he was overweight and short, which means that men are not against women dating chads when it comes to their beloved daughters

Especially that it’s funny how most men hate being judged for their career, but they’re the first to look down on their daughter’s boyfriend if he’s jobeless.

One thing to take account of here is that parents have a severe myopia when it comes to their children. Mothers love and think the world of their sons even if they are men they would never be interested in out in the wild, and might even disparage as pathetic.

tritoneharmonies · 2020-04-27T11:03:48+00:00

It could be that a huge age difference sets off his alarm bells? A lot of fathers don't want to have their daughter taken advantage of by some loser who seems semi-reliable at first but is only in it for young pussy and having someone naive enough to boss around. Plus, it might depend on how much these dads have age difference with their own wife - A father with a younger wife might be more accepting of an age difference? Having a young SAHM is one thing, but treating her with the respect, love and appreciation she deserves is another, and fathers generally want a son-in-law that can respect their daughter beyond her temporary physical assets.

Rahim556 · 2020-04-26T22:46:13+00:00

I'm not against that. I would rather her marry early, and obviously to someone that can support her (which will probably be older), as opposed to a kid who doesn't have his shit together and cannot take care of her. So I am not against that situation at all.

OXOzymandias · 2020-04-26T22:21:27+00:00

If I follow the redpill ideology it says that the best thing I should do at 21, should be to stop going to uni, get married to a man 10-15 years older than me and be a SAHM.

No

TRP want you to have crazy years, so their members can keep having resources to spin plates....tradcucks are something else....

Smoogs2 · 2020-04-26T22:07:56+00:00

Where in “red pill ideology” does it state any of that?

Texan2116 · 2020-04-26T22:14:47+00:00

Nothing wrong w being a SAHM, but get your degree if you can..life has curveballs, and you may need that degree.

asdf333aza · 2020-04-26T23:15:49+00:00

My uncle literally hated his daughter’s boyfriend because he was overweight and short, which means that men are not against women dating chads when it comes to their beloved daughters

Dads don't like the idea of their daughters getting defiled or fucked like hookers or being used for sex. They put so much love, effort, respect and resources into you, that it hurts them to see you waste your potential. Best way to for them to avoid that hurt is to not care about the daughter from the start. A lot of these guys who don't raise their own kids don't care what happens to them. But if they raise you, they usually love you to death and are willing to sacrifice a great deal to see you do well. (Usually)

You don't have to date the fattest and shortest guy you can find. However, I'm sure dads would prefer their daughters dating a inexperienced, normal, shy or geeky boy who from the local area versus having his daughter dating a bad boy, or a drug dealer, or a 40 year old man, or a local football star, or a Player or any other remixed form of a Chad. A father embracing his daughter dating a Chad, is a father embracing his daughter getting used for casaul sex and dumped when the guy is done with them. Don't think this idea of "dads not against their daughters dating chads" works.

SeemedGood · 2020-04-27T00:49:49+00:00

If I follow the redpill ideology it says that the best thing I should do at 21, should be to stop going to uni, get married to a man 10-15 years older than me and be a SAHM.

RP philosophy makes no such claims. It doesn’t address what women should do to further their own interests at all. Rather, it simply suggests to men what we should do to have satisfactory interactions with women.

2020-04-27T03:49:46+00:00

Yeah I have a great relationship with my father and he has pushed my to pursue career, hobbies and travel more than anyone. He wants me independent and he’s said that if I can’t find a man good enough for me but I still want kids, he’ll be around to help me raise them if I decide to go down the single mother path. He literally places single mother above being with a man I’m not happy with. And he’s a tough, religious European man. My father and my brother are the only men I take advice from - because their advice actually places my wellbeing and desires first and don’t try to mold me into what will benefit them and their dick like other men giving advice do.

washington_breadstix · 2020-04-26T23:15:28+00:00

Because marrying an older man means that man is the new daddy.

Oliver2016 · 2020-04-27T02:44:59+00:00

Because as soon as men have daughters they become enlightened!

Tonga89 · 2020-04-26T22:10:48+00:00

Fathers want their daughters to marry a dutyfull, hard working, honest, caring, good hearted simp that will put their little princess at the highest pedestal and never say no to her, will take care of the children, will work his ass off to take her on expensive vacations AND GOD FORBID the fucker dare to think about sex.

Does that sound like the man on women's dreams?

What fathers want is not what women want. Is what women need.

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2020-04-27T02:01:56+00:00

As a older man, if I were single my next wife would be much younger than me. This is good for me. Its not a bad deal for her either, but its not ideal. I'm a good catch but someone like me 15 years younger is a better one.

My daughter I would not be happy with if its a much older man. This is good for her. I want her to be independent from needing anyone.

TRP is about the male, and increasingly seems to be some romanticized view of traditional marriages, which never really existed in the first place, and most definitely weren't 15 year age differences, but very young marriages.

Reading TRP a long time ago it was never about getting married to 20 year old when you were 35.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2020-04-27T02:49:52+00:00

Why are the caring loving fathers against their daughters being a housewife and dating an older man?

I think you're entirely misunderstanding TRP, or at least package-dealing it with some of the idiotic neoreactionary political bullshit some people push into/alongside it.

TRP is fundamentally not about giving advice to women about what women "should" do. Its fundamentally about telling men how to get laid. And it isn't about collective "male" interests but about the self-interest of individual males should they wish to get laid.

Fathers screen boyfriends because they want only the best for their daughters... i.e. they want good genes and high paternal investment for any resulting kids. They care about their daughters because their daughters carry some of their genes.

They want daughters to be ambitious and intelligent and able to make money because in the event of being exploited by men, they want their daughters to be able to survive independently.

All of these things increase the chance of their genes surviving.

TRP is not about "men" vs. "women." Nor is evolutionary psychology.

DaphneDK42 · 2020-04-27T03:06:19+00:00

If I follow the redpill ideology it says that the best thing I should do at 21, should be to stop going to uni

You don't follow it very close then. Redpill ideology has nothing to say about what is best for you. It's not about you at all. Redpill says something about how men best get you to open your pussy for business.

Fathers in general want their daughters to find a good husband. A fat guy is lazy and useless. How the fuck can you expect such a man to provide for a family if things go rough (which they always do sooner or later), when he can't even manage his own fucking weight. A short dude = bad genes. An old guys, is a guy who will die earlier.

ThinkerBunny · 2020-04-27T04:03:04+00:00

Because the RP ideology you mention is only what a small but obnoxiously vocal portion of TRP think. Any parent would want their kid to have education and a career so they can take care of themselves when needed.

Flowingnebula · 2020-04-27T04:19:59+00:00

Your father genuinely loves and cares for you and wants you to be happy. He also thinks about your safety that includes financial safety, being financially independent is important. While TRP wants to take advantage of you and they don't like a woman they just want a woman for their needs.

AllGoodBud · 2020-04-27T10:35:09+00:00

Women were bourn to be housewives. Its the only job they're any good at

PrekaereLage · 2020-04-27T10:57:53+00:00

Because they disagree on what the best thing for their daughters would be, they want different things.\ This is why you have the agency to choose yourself and your dad can only offer his opinion and advice.

Jaktenba · 2020-04-27T11:11:48+00:00

Because he's a blue-pilled cuck, obviously.

I'm being at least partially sarcastic, but seriously. Fathers used to do exactly what you're proposing, and feminists will likely never shut up about it.

HoneyNJ2000 · 2020-04-27T11:41:08+00:00

If I follow the redpill ideology it says that the best thing I should do at 21, should be to stop going to uni, get married to a man 10-15 years older than me and be a SAHM.

I would have to assume these are NOT the same fools who cry and whine about having to pay for dates, then.

wtknight · 2020-04-27T14:57:48+00:00

The assumption is that an older man is exploiting a younger woman for sex and doesn't really love her. Fathers don't want their daughters to be exploited and mistreated.

RimbaudsRevenge · 2020-04-27T15:21:41+00:00

I can see somewhat where he's coming from although I have no guarantee he reasons the way I do. I also have to say it's a bit too strict with "would never accept a guy who's more than 8 years older". There are always glaring individual exceptions to every rule, and you could potentially meet someone with whom making an exception is an obviously sound choice.

The problem with this age gap is this:

At 18-30, young women have extreme abundance. They can date same age, and men far up in the ages. This creates both a lot of unwanted attention as well as unwarranted ideas about their own datability later on. At the same time this is grim news for young men who have scarce dating options early on. (IMO, both older men and young women are "at fault" for this)
If a young woman goes into a relationship with a man who's older it'll likely be someone who's way ahead in education/career. The problem sets in when babies come into the picture. Then it will make economic sense for him to kick in another gear at work, advance even further, while she falls behind because she'll stay at home taking care of children a lot more. To mix things up so that both have a foothold in the job market might be an option this sort of couple doesn't have. A lot of the supposed wage gap actually stems from this, in case you were wondering.
Sometimes older wants younger, because older wants to be calling most of the shots and throw the weight of his/her age around. Sometimes it's easier to talk someone down simply because you have the life experience the other doesn't. Can potentially get abusive.
Lots of small things. Grew up with different stuff, a lot of things they can't relate to together. Someone will age and grow frail faster than the other etc.

I'm one to talk because in my own relationship there is exactly that age discrepancy, so I wouldn't judge anyone on it. I just recognize it creates a lot of BS and discord between men and women if too many people do it.

FeniZio94 · 2020-04-27T17:02:49+00:00

You’re forgetting the life experience factor

It’s the exact case of a man marrying some old divorced overused pussy at her 30’s, by that time the woman has developed enough manipulation and deception tactics to lure whichever man in

In this case, the man has a decade+ worth of life experience against the woman, so he will use that to his advantage (sexually specifically)

GrievenLeague · 2020-04-27T20:35:31+00:00

Because the hoes that men fuck aren't the ones that they want to marry/date seriously and no sane man wants to see his daughter turn into a town bike.

This is such a simple, basic ass concept. Guys want to fuck easy chicks when they're young and don't want their own daughter to turn into one later. Women lack common sense, I guess.

2020-04-27T21:21:15+00:00

Because — surprise surprise — redpill ideology doesn't care about your best interest.

Siam-Guy · 2020-04-28T16:02:14+00:00

Your father doesn't know shit, so he follows whatever society is telling him are good traits.

Im sure that if he realises that college is pretty much useless unless stem or lawyer, and it's a never-ending stream of cock he would change his tune real fast.

witchfromthewoods · 2020-04-29T17:16:14+00:00

My father is an amazing man he is a great father and he has no problem with my husband who is much older than me he has no issue with the fact that I settled down "young" or that I love being a homemaker we are from a culture that still celebrates homemaking and women who choose that lifestyle a lot of the issue with men being against their daughters being homemakers is because they come from cultures that view it as lesser than

poppy_blu · 2020-04-26T23:39:42+00:00

Where in RP sphere does it say you should marry early and be housewife?

asdf333aza · 2020-04-27T00:46:51+00:00

If I follow the redpill ideology it says that the best thing I should do at 21, should be to stop going to uni, get married to a man 10-15 years older than me and be a SAHM.

A common misconception of the feminist view of TRP. Not every feminist preaches the same feminism. So you can't expect every RPer to have the same shade of red.

I personally, prefer girls go to college, get real degrees, have their own careers and be independent. Make their own money and stop men from controlling them financially. I have many issues with modern feminis, but no no problems there.

get married to a man 10-15 years older than me and be a SAHM

Another critical misconceptions of the feminist view of TRP. TRP does not tell women to marry older men. TRP tells men to date younger women, as they are usually more attractive and less used up. And older women come with more "baggage". Dating and fucking does not equates to marriage. For the most part, TRP, MGTOW and other groups typically tell men to AVOID longterm relationships with most women except the magical nawlt or unicorn. TRP is usually against the idea of marriage as many see it as such a bad deal nowadays. So I'm not sure where you got the idea that following TRP would suggest you "marry a guy 10-15 years older" than you.

Back to the different shades of red. Personally, I prefer young women date young men. Find a nice guy from high school or college or church or from your community in general and date and eventually marry each other. I would rather see young women and young men dating, building and growing together. Instead, thx to hook-up culture, femlibs telling women it's okay to be " a slut, and the expansion of hypergamy thanks to social media we rarely see that. The high school and college lovers are a rarity and somewhat of fantasy. Instead of dating someone their own level, their own age and their own status, we have a plethora of girls from these recent generations looking past the guys at their own level to date older men who have more money, status and experience. It's the high school freshmen throwing themselves at high school seniors. They don't have these things because they're better, but simply cause theyre older and had more time to build it. Young girls aren't trying to build with guys their own age, they're just trying to find someone who has it already. Basically hypergamy. While these girls are off dating older guys, chads and bad boys, it leaves the guys their own age, without relationships, sex, experience and emotional growth. They turn to video games, porn, hookers, some might bury themselves in work and some might lose motivation and stop working. The incel group wouldn't of grown as strong without these lost boys and young men. You hear all these stories about young men being sexless and not being able to date, and feminist don't care. They actually laugh about it. It's funny now. But the way they are being treated now is going to impact how they treat girls later on when they're the older guys with the money and status to attract younger women. And TRP tells them to be selfish and focus on themselves, lift weights and grow their wealth. TRP intends for them to pay it kindness back. And to the ones who are already thriving and able to date, they know they're in high demand and thats why the have no issue being an asshole and treating a girl like toilet paper. (Geni Coefficient)

Fast forward a few years after things don't work out with the chads or the older guys, around the age of 30 females start looking to settle down. They start looking to build later on in life, when it's too late. There is no foundation to build on, as generation of young men missed out on those foundations. By 30 there arent many eligible guys left. Some don't know how to date, some feel the need to make up for the fun they missed out on so they continue hooking up, some become the older man dating the younger women, some are so bitter that they become the asshole they hated, some have completely walked away and lost interest, and some aren't financially eligible cause they never had a reason to work toward anything. As for the girls, they're usually not as pretty as they were before, can't pair bond thx to the cc, have a bitter and angry point of view from their numerous past experiences, with the older guys and chads, probably been sexually assaulted or abused by that age, the expanding single mothers demographic, jaded about sex cause they've done it too much with someone it didn't workout with, probably put on a few pounds, usually higher standards than when they were younger, hypergamy still in affect, and have usually been so against gender roles in their 20s and so work orientated that they don't know how to be good wives, but yet they feel entitled to and expect good husbands.

Long story short, I'd prefer to see men and women in their 20s dating folks around their own age. Stop listening to people, telling you that "you have all the time in the world", cause you don't. Stop trying to experiment and stop hoeing in these streets. If there really is someone out there for everyone, the longer you wait the more chances someone else has to find YOUR PERSON and fuck them up and ruin them for you. That goes for male and female. That's just my two cents.

Barely-moral · 2020-04-26T21:48:35+00:00

Hot take:

Because they know they failed to teach you and prepare you to vet for the kind of men that is ok to be a SAHM/W with.

They know that they made such a poor job that if you try to be a SAHM/W it is likely that you will pick a man that is incapable of doing his part or flat out evil.

And since they still want what is best for you instead of teaching you right from the begginng they take the easy route and just tell you to avoid the risk. They didn't bother to give you the tools you needed to chase the path of the SAHM/W if you wanted it, so they just advice you against it.

(All the previous sentences are using general you. I am not speaking about you personally)

Also, I am portraying my opinion in an exaggerated way to make a point. Men don't teach their daughters how to look for good men.

12112019 · 2020-04-26T23:33:15+00:00

You don't need to ask fathers what the best thing is for women, you can observe other women, the best thing is obviously to get a rich betabux who is too beta or naive to give you access to his resources and for you to have the leverage of divorce rape over him.

That is obviously the best thing for each individual woman, but once these suckers will run out that would be a different story.

Your career paradoxically will put you in a disadvantage because it will reduce the leverage you have over a man and possibly give the leverage to the man, and I am not sure you would be happy paying a man who divorce raped you.
So you will probably start looking for men who are at least as well off as your are or more, but as you become more and more successful so will the pool of such men diminish, and you will find your self competing with more women and more women.
That is because men are not hypergamous and they won't be selecting women based on their income or success as you do, which means that you are up for a steep competition.

Oppubb0 · 2020-04-27T03:11:29+00:00

What you described is not red pill ideology but Incel ideology.

Red pill men are those, like your dad, who want their women (daughters) to be independent in thought and in deed. Independent enough to seek independent men who they will love for themselves and deeds and not for the status of the men

Didittowinit · 2020-04-27T03:14:29+00:00

I think you're just giving into your father's fears honestly. Your father would not accept anyone 8 years older than you because that man could probably stand up to your father's wishes without fear. Consider that the older man can stand toe to toe with the father and defy his will. Quite possibly the older man may point out the father's flaws as well so there's that. Also I understand that your father is attempting to protect you from being brainwashed, since older men tend to have a groove and might try to fit you into it. Most fathers want their daughters to be "unsullied" and dominant in social relations since he sees the daughter as an extension of himself. This is why he encourages his daughter to express herself and find jobs and travel. He wants her to feel freedom just like how he did. However this urge may be misguided. When women chase careers and exotic trips, like men do, they tend to have few if any grand-children as they pair up later in life. So the older man who wants kids may not be so bad in that regard. But in the end you should do as you feel is right. Two cents.

69odin420 · 2020-04-27T04:38:02+00:00

most dads are bp

deep_blood_red · 2020-04-26T22:42:11+00:00

its been scientifically proven that marriage lowers testosterone. these men are now husks of their former selves. of course theyre going to have a very gynocentric view on this.

SteveSan82 · 2020-04-27T00:40:35+00:00

The Red Pill says to do what you like but understand the consequences of being a ho in your 20s or choosing a career.

Men by nature view women with high notch counts as disgusting.

Women who have careers wait too long to breed so end up unable to have healthy babies. If they do have kids early the kids generally end up spoiled and sociopathic as the career woman is too focused on her career to be a mother.

Women won't date men who make less than them. But men who make more have options so will prefer a younger woman.

Ecocavalry · 2020-04-26T22:36:13+00:00

TRP is simply a sub about sexual strategy for "men". Women are not the audience. It's like you want to create a strawman and argue against it. TRP is not prescribing life lessons for women, You need to be either dumb or arguing in bad faith if you want to argue it.

Again, TRP is not "how to be a good father to your daughter". It is also against marriage.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-04-26T22:35:56+00:00

This is a good point, but also completely stupid. Most fathers are blue pill mutherfuckers who can barely support themselves!

If I could lay out my daughters future, the boy I like for her is 7 years older. If she marries him and becomes a housewife I'm cool with it. I will give her the money she needs. I make more and more every year. My assets increase and my money works for itself. I expect her to learn how to use this.

Do I want her to be some career woman worker bee? Fuck NO! Any father who wants this is a dipshit. I don't care if she goes to uni or not, but I expect her to open her own business and be a CEO.

Last point. I expect her to take care of her mom when her mom gets old. Her mom doesn't make much.

allpillsaredrugs · 2020-04-26T23:56:40+00:00

No terper or RPW says you shouldn't have a career. We say you shouldn't have a career that's starting at 100k a year, there's a difference. In either case he's not redpilled. He knows best what you should want in a man, he knows nothing of female psychology. But you're just here to circlejerk apparently. Everything you are saying is a strawman.

LotBuilder · 2020-04-26T22:31:30+00:00

I’m not, if that’s what she wanted.

I know I treat the younger girls I date 1000% better than the guys their age do.

2020-04-26T23:22:09+00:00

They think older men are pervs and wished they could have went younger

MikepGrey · 2020-04-27T01:45:07+00:00

Why would anyone be against their daughters dating a man whose got his $hit together? we are going to want to talk to the sob but that's bout it.

Silverpixelmate · 2020-04-27T00:14:04+00:00

What kind of father says they won’t accept a son-in-law because of their age? Doesn’t this strike you as odd? A grown ass woman being told by daddy what kind of man he will and won’t accept for his daughter? It’s not even a good reason. I could understand him saying I won’t accept someone abusive to my daughter. Or disrespectful. But this man actually came out and told his daughter that he doesn’t care about her happiness (how can she be genuinely happy with her guy knowing daddy doesn’t like it) when it comes to something rather insignificant like age? It wasn’t even on extreme side, say a 20yr difference you could at least see where the guy is coming from. Though I’d still disagree with him. Maybe it’s just me?

Title	Why are the caring loving fathers against their daughters being a housewife and dating an older man?
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Date	April 26, 2020 9:40 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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