Are that many men really surprised that women like and respond more positively to attractive men?

redditthrowaway1478 · 2020-06-01T06:25:50+00:00

I honestly haven’t seen a single comment from a man in here that said he believed, in all honesty, that women only cared 100% about looks and nothing else. Granted, I don’t see every comment here. So feel free to prove me wrong.

What I have seen, however, are many men claiming to have been given the messaging (from multiple sources throughout life) that looks were not nearly as important as they have turned out to be, in actuality.

Fine line, but there is a difference, I assure you. And it’s a difference that many women in this sub seem to keep misunderstanding...constantly.

YveisGrey · 2020-06-01T14:07:49+00:00

Are women really that surprised men care about their n counts?

Problem is here that women and others tell men since young age that looks don't matter. Ppd had this thread every week. I left months ago and came back and these threads pop up again and again.

Inb4 i wasn't told that Inb4 it's a lie etc

Just like women care about looks and hide it, men care about your n count or the fact that he just wants to pump and dump you and hide it.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2020-06-01T07:06:12+00:00

You're not really making an apples to apples comparison here. Of course women will like and respond more positively to attractive men. What's different is how women treat average men compare to how men treat average women.

sirpsychosexy8 · 2020-06-01T19:20:35+00:00

I don't think guys are surprised that better looking people are treated better, but I think a lot of guys are shocked when they realized how deep it goes, and how much of a difference it can make (dependent on who we're talking about of course). I think a lot of guys, myself included, had that moment where they realized getting girls was effortless for other guys, or watched girls they'd been trying to get with for awhile with no luck get with a better looking guy at the drop of a hat. That's not universal, and I'm not saying every girl does that, but it definitely happens. My best friend in high school was a 6'3" blonde jock with a chiseled jaw, and I was a 5'8" fatass with no grooming skills and I was in the band. It made me feel invisible being around him, everyone seemed to gravitate around him, and every girl I was ever interested met him and basically ignored me from then on. It was incredibly frustrating, but it was educational. I knew pretty early on that looks were a MAJOR factor in how women (and people in general) treat you, but I can imagine if you didn't learn that lesson until later on it could be quite a shock.

Eastuss · 2020-06-01T09:24:34+00:00

If we weren't bombarded daily by the media, our teachers, our mothers and sisters, that women are perfect and not superficial like men are, then less men would be surprised.

Everyone knows about the halo effect pretty quickly in life, but men rarely suspect women are actually worse than men in that regard.

LeJacquelope · 2020-06-01T05:27:47+00:00

Women virtue signal all day and forever that personality and confidence, compatibility, etc. trumps looks. Men are surprised that so many women lie.

It is as I've said on here a lot: looks always come first, and sometimes they are all that matter. See: Jeremy Meeks.

SeemedGood · 2020-06-01T07:38:46+00:00

The shock is not that they are a factor, it’s how much of a factor they are.

762Rifleman · 2020-06-01T08:56:16+00:00

We spend our childhoods being told it's the inside that counts, our adolescences are filled with messages that girls aren't shallow, and then women keep up the charade when we're adults. Then when the less attractive of us finally get the real talk from the more attractive of us, we realize we've been tricked into living a lie for 20 years or more for our detriment. And we're called misogynist for it if we dare to be at all upset.

libramo0n · 2020-06-01T14:15:01+00:00

We learned about this in sociology 101 in college. In America, you’ll notice on college campuses and in young bars etc that young women get all dressed up, wear heels, put on makeup while young men wear the same shit they wore to school that day. It’s a way of socially signaling that the women are beneath them.

So yeah, when men have been socially conditioned like this until age 21/22 I can imagine it’s quite the shock to learn that women have no patience for that nonsense at all. It’s not that men are being rejected for their bad looks, it’s that men are being rejected for their assumption that they don’t have to try as hard as women. It’s obviously all subconscious and not intentional, but it’s why this particular issue isn’t necessarily a problem in non American countries or with non American men.

I won’t even get into the socially conditioned issues non American men have.

dalia-chan · 2020-06-01T10:20:37+00:00

My confusion about this is that the same men expect an absolutely gorgeous woman to fall for them and expect nothing less.

I know I’m not attractive enough for a man who looks like Chris Hemsworth to fall for me, yet a lot of men who hardly take care of their appearance expect a Scarlett Johansson.

You can’t expect people not to be shallow while, in the same breath, being shallow yourself.

dalia-chan · 2020-06-01T10:35:43+00:00

When we grew up hearing “just be nice to her, be there for her, it’s more about personality than anything else” — then it comes as a shock to some men, initially.

Women still do this to preserve men’s feelings. The trick is to see through their bullshit, ignore their words, and judge them by actions

Pola_Lita · 2020-06-01T08:17:18+00:00

Men have judged women by their looks for nearly forever. I don't believe anyone is surprised, but I do think it's possible that many men resent having to give up the advantage of being the only ones who do. Looks are probably the thing it's hardest to do the most about. Skeleton, coloring, etc., even state of the art surgery can only do so much. It's much more difficult than being judged by things you've accomplished or the sort of person you are.

But that's a leftover from the days when women weren't thought to feel lust or even have a sex drive. Things have changed and men have to catch up.

n-e-w-l-e-a-f · 2020-06-01T07:03:31+00:00

when i was a lad, i dressed creatively, danced to the beat of my own drum, and young women flocked to me. then, one day, i bought a smartphone, watched youtube, and went on reddit. i discovered red and blue pills, chads, alphas and betas, and i decided to put some thought into how to make my appearance more attractive to others. i've not had sex since. i can't tell if the world changed for the worse, or i was the one who changed, or both?

zayelion · 2020-06-01T15:50:20+00:00

Parroting RP talking points,...
Its not that the concept is surprising its the ratio of what "looks good" percentage to women is far off from what men consider "looks good". Where men would date the upper 40% of attractive women with no question, women would only react the same to the upper 15%.

abond0082 · 2020-06-01T19:35:00+00:00

The only thing that makes zero sense to me is why are they that attracted to height, there is close to zero evolutionary sense for that.

Being tall has a bit of an edge in intimidating and strength but NOT THAT MUCH really, that it becomes like a be all kinda thing.

LLL3peat · 2020-06-01T20:21:22+00:00

Nope. There is a “must be this attractive to ride this ride” sign and then other things keep you around if both are open for a relationship. Take off the Disney glasses and it’s the truth.

bronzeageretard · 2020-06-01T06:15:59+00:00

Women virtue signal all the time by saying “only what’s inside matterssss” all the time. The mistake guys make is trusting that they’re being truthful when they say that.

anonymous_9999999 · 2020-06-01T06:45:11+00:00

You seem like you are projecting your insecurities and trying to cover up the actual reason Men are surprised.

The General world view is that “ Man predator,woman victim”. Women have been virtue signalling since the dawn of time that they are “more spiritual,more empathetic,moral” and all that bullshit. But You yourself just said that Women are just as shitty and biased as Men if not more. This is the reason Men are surprised.

42519984251998 · 2020-06-01T08:28:47+00:00

Op you have to understand that a lot people who post here are socially handicapped. Its not this hidden secret from the world that women like attractive men, anyone who is ever watched enough female orientated media would already understand this. The reason why the men here treat it as a shock is because they are socially challenged.

Plopolok · 2020-06-01T11:28:59+00:00

Of course the fact that some men are lazy/deluded/entitled etc. is a factor. But try to think about it as a historian, not looking at individuals but at social trends. We're still evolving from centuries of a "patriarchal" system where the normal way to seduce a woman was to convince her parents to grant you her hand in marriage. There was practically no SMP until the 70's, and the few groups that started telling men how to be successful on it were demonized. Lifting is barely starting to have a positive mainstream image (remember the song "I'm sexy and I know it - I work out" ? It was in 2011, I think it's an interesting marker of the transition). And the exact importance of looks for men isn't very clear, most people say it isn't as crucial as for women; the black pillers who disagree inspire more disdain than credibility. (The other factors are even less clear, even on this sub today it's still hard to have a good faith discussion about things like DT traits or confidence). And the idea that caring about your look or about fashion is gay isn't purely a delusion, there are women who agree, who want a man who "just got it" (the good looks) without having to try hard.

Esiodo · 2020-06-01T13:36:39+00:00

There are two reasons for that:

Women constantly virtue-signal and hide their preference for looks.
Most men don't know about hypergamy. Women are hypergamous and feel instant physical attraction to only a very small percentage of guys while straight and gay men find the average young woman or man physically attractive. Being a hot top 15-20% guy gives you a huge advantage on other men in the dating market, on the other hand any, at least average-looking, young woman has an easy time dating.

pangolin001 · 2020-06-01T13:56:46+00:00

No, men are not surprised by this. Women are. They don't believe they are as shallow as they are. If they did they might have to feel bad for a while and work hard to make changes. That's simply too much to ask. Besides, they'd probably fail because they'd be fighting their biology.

Fact is, I don't actually care if women are more agreeable around more attractive men. What bothers me is how unattractive men are thought to be creepy sex predators. Women are right to believe that 80% of the men they meet would more than likely be willing to have sex with her. But when this is coming from a nam she doesn't think is attrractive she sees this as a threat. She assumes he wants to fuck her and that if he doesn't get it he might take it. So they get all skittish and shit.

YveisGrey · 2020-06-01T14:51:40+00:00

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GunBullety · 2020-06-01T15:21:54+00:00

Yeah I can say this is a mentality I have never had, whether I was doing well with ladies or not (experienced both, in pretty significant ways). If I get bitter and jealous and frustrated (and I have felt these feelings) my mentality is like "that guy really? He's ugly, your taste is bad", not "you should like ugly guys, you should be with me even though I'm ugly", that's just insane. I've always only been interested in girls finding me physically attractive first, then charismatic second, then whatever... don't care. But the idea of them finding me gross and being with me anyway? Out of guilt or like what? Duty??? I truly can't comprehend the appeal of that at all.

Troy016 · 2020-06-01T15:56:12+00:00

Listen dude.

Guys are not suprised.

But as boys grow up, especially in my generation . (I’m 19).

We are told , it’s about what the inside , be yourself, looks don’t matter.

I was in the south too lmao so everyone puts women on a pedestal .

I thought this way until I was 15, until I seen the re pill on YouTube .

And I was like holy shit I been lied too by my, mom, school, TV, freinds, everything. Until red pill told me the truth. It’s the blue pill ideology as boys that fucks us up.

killacamron93 · 2020-06-01T16:47:03+00:00

I’m not, I pointed this out in a group where a demographic of women feel like their counterparts didn’t like them because they don’t see that many praises going viral. The men who go viral are men who are physically attractive while average looking men who do it are looked at as “not counted”. Even in the group there’s men that even pander to them and that those men are only given 15 seconds of fame with the next post complaining about their men not valuing them.

This is why I do not make a public effort to give women validation, it’s often ignored.

USAFrenchMexRadTrad · 2020-06-01T20:33:50+00:00

I think the surprise comes more in anyone unwilling to admit to having double standards.

This applies to both men and women. I remember someone did a story about making two male accounts on a dating site, exactly the same with one key difference: the guy in the photos.

An attractive guy on one profile, a regular looking guy in the other. The same messages were sent, usually borderline creepy, sexist, fuckboi type messages, from both accounts. Women responded positively to the account with attractive photos, negatively to the other one.

A double standard from women. Usually, having double standards is something held against men. Men and women aren't so different after all. XD

NeedingAdvice86 · 2020-06-02T13:52:06+00:00

I don't follow it much but this seems a mischaracterization of the issue with which these guys are coming to terms....

It isn't that women are going to go bonkers over a Brad Pitt or a Theo James over some schrub down at the local skate park.....everyone knows that women like men are drawn to attractive hot people over your average joe.

The issue which causes the complete confusion with these guys, is seems is that a large segment of women on having the choice between two comparably attractive guys will swear upon their father's grave that they want and would always chose whichever of the guys who is the nicest, most trustworthy, most interested in her opinions, feelings and desires BUT IN REALITY most WOMEN will in fact nearly always choose the guy who gives them the barest hint of niceness, shows the least amount of trustworthiness and in reality DNGAF about what she likes, feels or desires....it is the disconnect between the stated desires and the actual choices which fucks up these dudes.

They simply have real trouble understanding that for women, dating is a search for excitement and adding emotions to their otherwise boring daily existence, so when looking for guys they look for ones who drive them fucking crazy with their lack of caring or consideration....if they can just get a tiny bit of some semblance of consideration from that guy who looks at them like pond scum 98% of the time then that means something and shows that they must be special whereas the guy who too easily is interested\considerate bores them to death and doesn't provide any chaos which they look for in their dating lives.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-06-01T17:26:30+00:00

This is kind of an interesting topic, because I've been on both sides of the coin so to speak.

What I see is that because male attraction is so wide and covers such a huge variety of shapes and colors that when we say that for the most part only looks matter to men... that encompases nearly 80% of the female population. I see hot girls get extra attention from guy, but I also see average girls get quite a bit of attention.

As a guy its essentially the same dynamic, but with such a narrow pool. For one thing most women are not going to give extra attention to a random guy unless there is some serious incentive. Typically that incentive is being top 10% or higher in attractiveness. Men who think women are similar to themselves really struggle to wrap their minds around this fact. I had a boss who was exceptionally good looking, but also very religious and very devoted to his wife. I was always shocked at how often women came onto him. One time we were walking down the street to a starbucks and this woman did a U-Turn and followed us into the parking lot creepy stalker style just to give him her number. I was 19 at the time and that blew me away. He was a light skinned half african guy, and the women coming after him were always liberal white women... sometimes WAY older. So, perhaps this also was some creepy white lady fetish thing? I haven't seen it often since.

Anyway... if you combine this with the fact that our culture generaly preaches Women are Wonderful bullshit... it's not particularly surprising when some guys get blindsided by reality.

tututut56 · 2020-06-01T18:24:03+00:00

Yeah, it’s stupid especially considering how they treat women they don’t find attractive.

Bahmanis · 2020-06-01T20:45:08+00:00

I mean, is it really THAT hard? Men are "visual" ..... And women don't have eyes? Men can't even handle hair on a woman's legs or genitals but can't understand why we want them to shower, wear cologne, and maintain a decent hair style? For fuck's sake, the bar for men is on the ground and they can't be bothered to understand why.... All while they grade us on our appearances on a scale of 1-10. Eyeroll. Hypocrites. They just don't want to put in effort, as usual. Low effort, low value = ugly, even if you got the jawline. Men just don't get it. It's a package deal -- but how could they get it when all they care about are a woman's looks?

qantuum · 2020-06-01T08:34:01+00:00

Actually as a man I'm a bit confused at what I want from life. But I'll bet the biologic imperative of females pushes them to the guy who will both pass good genes to her child and also be able to raise the child.

Actually it's rare that both these qualities fit inside one single man.

I don't want either. Impregnating just for the sake of it doesn't look nice, and settling down to be a responsible father threatens my hobbies. I guess all I have to give is positive attention and body care.

Krychek26 · 2020-06-01T13:25:01+00:00

The shock isn't from that, it's how they treat less attractive men as scum.

kiwii_x · 2020-06-01T14:09:59+00:00

it comes down to laziness and bad self preservation

broken_covenant · 2020-06-01T15:22:36+00:00

Of course looks matter to an extent.

How you present yourself when first meeting someone matters afterwards is when being a decent person comes into play. You wouldn't go to a job interview in rags smelling like bo then wonder why you were not offered the position.

If you want a women who puts a ton of effort into her appearance then you will have to match her efforts with your own. If you think Chad doesn't have a skincare routine your kidding yourself.

GenocideSlayer · 2020-06-01T15:41:29+00:00

Not surprised but women are usualy not honest on this point. "Just be yourself" , "be confident" etc but are pussed when an ugly guy displays the same confidence as an attrative one....and say that look does not matter Maybe due to social norm idk.

MartMillz · 2020-06-01T16:20:00+00:00

The way American men were taught to approach love by Disney is incredibly cruel. "Keep trying until she gives you a chance." I die inside every time I see the woman make the first move or decide to confess her hidden feelings to a guy who can't look her in the eye. You just know it was written by some well-off white male in Hollywood.

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-06-01T17:06:05+00:00

As others have said, we're not surprised by it at all. What we are surprised by is the lie that we've been told about looks not being that important, or as important as personality is - the result of which is many decent single guys remaining single because women don't actually care that much about personality from guys that aren't objectively attractive to them at first glance.

HollowLegMonk · 2020-06-01T18:28:27+00:00

I agree mostly, at least here in the US it seems like a lot of men do not put enough effort into making themselves as attractive as possible. I feel like that is because women on average are more judged by their beauty and men on average are more judged by their accomplishments.

The blue pill tells men to “just be yourself” and a nice pretty girl will magically fall into your lap. Just like in those Hollywood movies that are blue pilled. Well life doesn’t work that way, some men are just not naturally good at things like having an attractive personal style or a charming personality. Those guys need help and that’s why PUA’s and TRP exist.

I find it surprising that some women (and blue pilled men) seem angry about men making an effort to improve their chances in sex/dating and not just “being themselves”, because women have an entire mainstream industry revolving around improving looks/personality. There’s a billion dollar makeup and beauty industry and also entire libraries of self help books themed on teaching women how to improve their chances with men. Mean while men have to hide away in quarantined forums and back rooms to secretly compare notes quietly to avoid the ire of the angry mobs who can’t stand the idea of a man improving himself.

BumblingBeta · 2020-06-01T19:33:29+00:00

Speaking from my own experience, I've never been told looks matter. I was told that "confidence is what matters" and "confidence is everything" but never looks. The closest that anyone told me looks matter was when going to job interviews - but that was just in the sense of looking presentable.

I've never been told looks matter for attraction. No one taught me anything about attraction. I only learned that looks played such a huge role after reading reddit and other internet sites.

tropicsGold · 2020-06-01T21:41:58+00:00

I’ll grant you that in retrospect it seems silly, it just goes to show how effective childhood programming can be. But yes, men are taught from childhood that looks don’t matter very much, especially to “nice” girls. That is why men are responding so strongly to TRP. It is shocking and eye opening, even if we do feel a little stunned at our own gullibility. Lol.

bosswiththecross · 2020-06-01T22:17:05+00:00

Personally I didn't care much about my appearance growing up because my parents taught me not to be shallow and I didn't want to be shallow. Then later I realized my dating life sucked as a result of that belief.

wtknight · 2020-06-01T23:15:15+00:00

What men are surprised about is that certain things that they think are attractive are not necessarily attractive to women. Just being "nice" isn't really considered attractive likely because such behavior has no inherent evolutionary benefit. Yet, many men think that nice behavior will get them a girlfriend because it is always the "good guys" in media who end up with the girlfriend.

A lot of media with male writers is male wish fulfillment, of course, so it makes sense that men would market to in this way in order to earn money. I don't believe that most female writers would write a story like this. i've read quite a few works by female writers and they usually feature hypergamy and male heroism rather than unrealistic stories about guys whose only redeeming feature is being nice getting girlfriends.

Impossible_Addition · 2020-06-02T16:44:31+00:00

No one expected that women responded positively ONLY to attractive men.

No one knew that attractiveness had so much weight-age some thought 30,40,50% not like 95%.

angry_ogunsoto · 2020-06-06T21:19:33+00:00

Those men just are not attractive and thus complaint about not being able to attract the opposite sex. Successful men do not carp about women judging men by looks which in fact is absolutely fine.

Men as well show favouritism towards attractive women and respond positively to them. They even do favours in a bid to impress. The same happens to women. Everybody knows that

XtoDoubt · 2020-06-01T05:46:15+00:00

Tbp needs to make up it's fucking mind. Is trp right but obvious or wrong?

indaknffr · 2020-06-01T06:17:22+00:00

They're not surprised good-looking men do better with women. That's been around since forever. They're surprised a woman will use a guy she's not attracted to for his resources

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-06-01T20:21:40+00:00

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qantuum · 2020-06-01T08:32:31+00:00

Some low tier men have ridiculously high standards;

so do some middle tier women;

that makes them the most unhappy;

all they have to do is settle for a bit less and leave the goodies to the god tier;

lmao

therealMericGetler · 2020-06-01T05:53:39+00:00

"I deserve pussy because I ~~have~~ am a dick". REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Most people are not selfaware and entitled fucks. Women, men, pineapples. If people had a bit more empathy/stopped to think for a moment there would be less conflict. Those of us with actual mental capacity just watch in silent pain.

DaphneDK42 · 2020-06-01T10:30:08+00:00

I had a girlfriend, after we broke up she went and became girlfriend to some kind of nasty Russian mob type of dude. I'm not surprised that women respond more positively to attractive men, however I kinda think it suck that they so often chose to go with obvious horrible fucking men, just because they're hot in a mad and dangerous way. Like all the girls who swoon over mass murderers. It is what it is, but fuck me if it doesn't make me think less of you.

ILikeToArgueALot · 2020-06-01T13:50:50+00:00

Its not shocking. Its just dissapointing that all women are shallow.

In other words theres no point respecting them after finding it out.

2020-06-01T14:36:50+00:00

You are basically confirming the old 80/20 rule that is on PPD and TRP. Nobody is shocked, or they shouldn't be. It's how nature has worked since forever.

stealthybookninja · 2020-06-01T20:07:22+00:00

In my experience whether it's appearance, intelligence, humor, real confidence, the ability to speak up etc. Just having on of these things often seem to be enough really.. A lot of things cause attraction. An being attractive is about more than looks.

Psych0_W0lf · 2020-06-01T21:36:51+00:00

The thing is men know that they are swallow. While women either don't realize they are swallow or virtue signal how they are not swallow.

You can see media talking about Fat ''WOMAN'' shaming. While ''Economically unattractive men are destroying marriage prospect in USA '' ....... Rrraaaaight....... Men are broke but women most effected as expected.

2020-06-02T01:16:40+00:00

(God I hope I am articulating this correctly. 🤞🏼)

I think there’s a big (HUGE) difference between attractive men and men who I am attracted to. A lot of men I know don’t seem to understand this.

Bntt89 · 2020-06-02T02:44:28+00:00

I mean for what is important aka, casual sex, then it's pretty high up their. Obviously if you are as creepy as Dahmer maybe not but hey even some girls are into. But we have heard that looks are just not as important which is a lie.

DubsPackage · 2020-06-02T03:37:07+00:00

Well the blue pill tells people "women care about your personaaaality" and people sometimes take that to an extreme.

FireMemes16 · 2020-06-02T08:21:00+00:00

I know I’m late to the post.

Just wanted to say that it genuinely saddens me that my less attractive friends don’t get the same kind of regard from girls, when they’re just as nice and charming as me or anyone else. It’s a real thing

Sid_Insidious · 2020-06-02T15:16:27+00:00

My male friend's take on modern OLD as a 40-something guy:

They're a bunch of 4's sneering at 6's while they hold out for an 11.

The belief in Red Pill circles is that women's expectations have far exceeded reality. Becky is getting sport fucked by numerous Chads but can't get any one of them to commit. Her options:

A) Realize that promiscuity will not help her in her quest for a commitment (Red Pill).

B) Say "All Men (read: Chads) are assholes." then wash, rinse repeat. (Blue Pill).

Guess which pill they're gonna take... ;-)

Shrug. ZFG. Sitting and watching with popcorn as women's happiness continues to decline.

Nobody in Red Pill believes "being nice" over-rides all other mate value metrics. MAYBE some believed this before being Red Pilled, but certainly not after. Some INCELS seem to want to hang onto this notion, but I think they're "woke" to the truth now, and experiencing Red Pill rage. We're now seeing Ex-INCEL guys get past Red Pill Rage and settle into a new reality.

YoungWhiteAndEnglish · 2020-06-02T22:36:08+00:00

Looks are probably the most important thing in life and I’m not sure even joking

BioStu · 2020-06-06T02:47:11+00:00

How many times are people going to ask the same fucking questions in this sub?

DangZagnut · 2020-06-01T05:45:43+00:00

Sounds like a bundle of sticks. Not my circus. Go after all the ponces you want if that's your preference.

MarTweFah · 2020-06-01T18:27:08+00:00

A good looking guy who can't get laid because he's broke will tell you money is all that matters to women.

A rich good looking guy with a small dick who gets ghosted, after a ONS will tell you dick size is all that matters to women.

A short guy who can't get laid will tell you height is all that matters to women.

An Asian or Indian guy who can't get laid will tell you being white is all that matters to women.

Its all COPE

Syduka · 2020-06-01T05:41:55+00:00

The idea that you ought to do something solely because it attracts the other sex is ridiculous.

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Title	Are that many men really surprised that women like and respond more positively to attractive men?
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