“You Were Born This Way”

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June 12, 2020

A while back, my LTR asked me how I got to be the way I am. I told her the truth. “Hard work.”

The other day I was with her, and after fucking her she looks at me and says, “I know you work out hard, but you were BORN like this. You were always like this.” She could not fathom that I had to build myself up to what I am now.

She doesn’t know that I was a fat kid who got picked on in primary school. She doesn’t know that I was the worst basketball player on my middle school team. She doesn’t know that I was a skinny weakling in high school, and that I only started taking the gym seriously in college. And she definitely doesn’t know that I was a virgin until 21.

She wants to believe the myth of YOU. She wants to know that the genes you’re pumping into her are superior to the lesser man. While men respect others who work hard and grind for their success, women can’t empathize with it. They just want the winner.

There’s nothing to gain by telling your plate/LTR about the tribulations and troubles of your past. Keep it to yourself, it will feed the mystery and myth of you in her eyes.

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Title “You Were Born This Way”
Author longjeep2005
Upvotes 1556
Comments 124
Date 12 June 2020 06:14 AM UTC (10 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/673469
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[–]modTheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

Leaving up because of the comments. Otherwise low effort.

[–]QuarantineEarbud515 points516 points  (32 children) | Copy

Correct. Creating illusion of effortless competence is a fundamental part of TRP. The obvious application of this is when a girl complements you on your gym gains.

‘Wow you’re really muscly, do you go to the gym much’

Now all lads who are getting these complements probably have a set gym and nutrition routine they follow religiously that has taken them years to develop.

But do you say this? FUCK NO. You say ‘yeah I go to the gym a bit’

Then subconsciously they put it down to genetic superiority, believe you are a good mate and think about all the other things you could achieve with seemingly little effort

[–]Flintblood95 points96 points  (22 children) | Copy

I agree this is true. But how do you have a long-term relationship and not give up away strict workout and diet regime regimen? The more you spend time with one woman the more likely you are to indulge in junk food and dining out.

Edit: Always keep your regimen, but when you’re in a LTR she’s going to find out the truth about how hard you work to stay in peak physical shape.

Edit: instead of “give up” I meant to write give up your true regimen secret.

[–]totallymanlytears91 points92 points  (7 children) | Copy

Strict diet and taking care of yourself can be very attractive, as it means you value yourself and respect yourself - others tend to follow suit.

[–]1halfback91038 points39 points  (6 children) | Copy

This. Also there are plenty of gym going women who will not only NOT discourage your gym routine but will actively encourage it.

Go to the gym together. Obviously you won't be doing the same workouts but you can do cardio together. It's way easier to cancel on yourself than when you have an established routine with someone else.

[–]Flintblood26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree with this. I would much rather be with a woman in good shape but who works at it. Two women I’ve been with recently were naturally thin (size 2 or something) and they don’t exercise much outside of occasional Yoga or club dancing. They sort of eat like birds at meals but will indulge in Doritos, and don’t work out enough to feel the need for protein or replenishment. Are they naturals? Lol

They’re surprised that some men (like me) have to work out several times a week to keep a beach worthy physique. But most guys can’t just be thin or skinny fat. They have to have some muscle too.

[–]nandemonaidattebayo10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m guessing they are young or childless right? Those natural thin birds think they will stay exactly the same the way they eat just wait for it..

[–]S3LF-IMPROV3M3NT3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

How do u do cardio together in the gym? You mean like run on side-by-side treadmills?

[–]Rebombastro2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much or jumping ropes, going on the stepper side by side or some kind of HIIT. There are many ways.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear22276 points77 points  (5 children) | Copy

If a bitch gets you to stop taking care of yourself, you have no business having an LTR. The more time you spend women the more you’ll see they’re largely a waste of time, but fun to have around. Always keep that in mind and slap yourself in the face if you divert from your purpose or begin to spend too much time around them.

[–]Flintblood11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

It’s not about taking care of yourself. It’s about when she’s around and she knows that you go workout 5 days a week instead of 2-3x a week. It’s about when she brings in all kinds of junk food or eating out and you’re turning it down 9 times out of 10. According to this genetic fallacy bs you should be able to eat pizza and Cheetos all day and drink beer and dew, and still have a shredded body — if you’re a ‘natural’ alpha, lmao.

Edit: I accidentally sent my post on mobile before it was finished. I meant to clarify and make it about keeping your true hard work concealed.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear22234 points35 points  (2 children) | Copy

yeah that’s taking things to an extreme i that simply wouldn’t give a shit about in an LTR. She’s gonna get to know you regardless and reveal any cracks in your armor as well as try her best to solve any mysteries. That’s what she’s there to do.

If you have to lie to a chick and tell her you workout only 2-3 times a week instead of the truth (5 times) to maintain an appearance of being alpha you might need to re-evaluate your definition of an alpha or, better, stop giving a fuck.

There’s an underlying issue there, “if she knew the truth, she wouldn’t be as attracted to me”

Fuck that. You’re righteous in taking care of yourself and your body, if she loses attraction cause of that then she can fuck off. You’re the prize remember?

[–]Flintblood5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

There’s an underlying issue there, “if she knew the truth, she wouldn’t be as attracted to me”

That’s the entire point behind the OP’s post. Maybe the “you were born that way” only matters for initial attraction.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2225 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed I should’ve clarified I wasn’t directing that comment towards you, but on the topic

[–]vwowv1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You alway go work out her knowing. You don't ask or make clear, you leave to work out when she doesn't want you to go. You make it clear it's not negotiable simply by leaving to go work out. You don't actually conceal it. It's naturally concealed by the fact that people don't think about you (at least in an accurate way) unless you are right in front of them. Your LTR is going to know you work out. She's probably picturing it as lifting a couple weights, hanging out and not doing much because that's what she would do.

What I think your saying is you got the LTR before you started working out. In that case you are going to just have to ignore her and any crab bucket mentality till she leaves or starts being more submissive and attentive out of dread of losing you. You might lose this junk food eating bitch. There will be four better girls showing up to replace her with any game at all. You don't need game to attract womens interest. You will know. They will be attracted to you before you get to talk. You need game not to blow it in 1 min from saying stupid shit. You do need to groom correctly, um, i mean facial hair, haircut, clothes (no cargo shorts/no shorts at all for most part, no tshirts with prints, no thongs) to attract them.

If you bring in a new LTR and she's bringing junk food in to your house don't let her bring much. Don't' say that's bad for you. Say, that stuff tastes like shit, or that shit gives me hemorrhoids. Fuck it, convince her you think candy bars are made out of dog meat, and that food engineering is incredible today. Tell her your asshole starts feeling how kim kardashian's lips look and you don't like thinking about your asshole all the time. Don't matter. For you? maybe just tell her it makes your farts stink and tastes like old people home. Or diarrhea, that's your ticket! it gives you diarrhea. You got to be very careful what words you convey this with..not.

[–]QuarantineEarbud40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy

Another key rule. Do not lose Frame and individual will when in a LTR. She may entice you to skip your regime to have motive nights or whatever. This will be ok short term but slowly you will lose your appeal. Long term they will respect your will and determination.

[–]Flintblood7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. I edited my post. I accidentally sent it before I finished. I would never give up my regimen, but keeping the truth about how hard I have to work at it is a challenge.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

The attraction phase requires a lot more bullshit and appearance. Substance is revealed when she's proven herself to you.

[–]Lurkingnopost5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I married a beautiful 19 year old. Classy broad, everything we talk about here. We will celebrate our 17th anniversary this August. My point is this. I am 40, 6'0 and still 200 lbs and very lean and muscular. She knows my routine and diet. She has lived it. No sugar, no fast food, work out three times a week (COVID fucked it up a bit).

I dont do it to attract tail, I have my partner and she is worth my effort and attention, still. To answer the question, you maintain it by maintaining it. Period. Have your standards and stick to your standards. Do it for you, whether you are spinning plates or not. Whether you are LTR or not. Do it to establish and maintain your frame and value.

Edit: Cant spell for shit

[–]odaklanan_insan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can make that all look effortless. While having a strict diet regimen and a gym routine is a struggle for other men, it is not a big deal for you.

Girl: Wow, you really don't miss any workout hours!

you: Hmm... I don't? Have you seen my watch? must have left in the bathroom.

[–]vwowv1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You do it right in front of them. She just thinks natural gods act like that anyway, it's just what they do. That said, I hate the sight of my own gym clothes. I never wear them outside of the gym. They're informal and basically ugly. I don't want to be seen as or think of myself as a gym rat. It also goes with the law of making your accomplishments look effortless.

I'm lucky because I can cook well and nutritiously without dealing with protein powders and shit like that. Don't you know gods are chefs too. My women begs me to make steaks and greek chicken. Learning to cook is the best way to manage your macros and micros/nutrition.

[–]Agnael0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She won't perceive your training/nutrition plan to be as hard because shes not the one following it. You don't need to hide anything

[–]ACE-JHN38 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy

Classic advice

Them: “do you go to to the gym everyday?”

Me: “well, not everyday”

That’s all you gotta say.

[–]DrunkOldBear22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are not lying. Xmas is day off.

[–]Chitlinsandgravy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"A lil bit" with a slight smile and eye contact is my go too.

[–]Aestheticcunt19967 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I say "u mirin?" to those people

[–]MLGdegzz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But when teaching you gotta be honest about this obviously, but to girls absolutely not

[–]Blazer808342 points343 points  (14 children) | Copy

Oh yeah babe, I was born with a PhD, an 8-pack, benching 200lbs, with a driving license, owning a car, motorcycle and house and the nurses kept saying I was so funny that I should do stand-up. All natural babe, fuck yeah genetics.

[–]Proto_Sigma120 points121 points  (2 children) | Copy

“On the day I was born,

The nurses all gathered round,

And they gazed in a wide wonder,

At the joy they had found,

The Head Nurse spoke up,

Said ‘leave this one alone’,

She could tell right way,

That I was bad to the bone.”

[–]nandemonaidattebayo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then came the worst date May 21st 2:19, that's when my momma water burst No spouse in the house so she rode for self To the hospital, to see if she could get a little help Umbilical cord's wrapped around my neck I'm seein' my death and I ain't even took my first step I made it out, I'm bringin' mad joy The doctor looked and said, "He's gonna be a Bad Boy

[–]1halfback91049 points50 points  (0 children) | Copy

I came out of the womb in my suit, looked the delivering doctor in the eye, gave him a firm handshake and said "Sir, I work for you."

And then I did.

[–]DrunkOldBear25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

In fact, after being born, I helped cleaning the hospital room, smacked nurses' asses and sat down with the doctors and my dad to celebrate with a cuban cigar and bourbon.

[–]Flintblood33 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy

LOL. That’s why this genetic fallacy myth is one of the most frustrating red pills.

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[–]Korrangar3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've seen some pretty dumb people with PhD, it's more like the willingness to eat shit until you're 30 than brain

[–]RivenHalf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can absolutely have a PhD and still be stupid

[–]__fivedemands__0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"A lil bit" with a slight smile and eye contact is my go too.

It depends on which field to do your PhD in. Currently working with a mixture of compsci/math and biology phd students/postdocs.

Those biologists are stupid as fuck but at least the math majors can think properly

[–]psypD12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

What, no 12 inch dong at birth?

[–]fanfanye143 points144 points  (2 children) | Copy

She literally didnt believe me when i said "you wouldnt even look at me if we knew each other when we were teens"

Showed her my pic when I was 18, she was quite shocked and just called it "puberty" , I worked fucking damn hard for this

[–]rickyyfitts84 points85 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's great but don't focus too much on how you were, in front of her

[–]myfirsttimecoding47 points48 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well done for working hard. Keep that to yourself and your boys.

[–]ChadUnbannable123 points124 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women want the finished man they don’t care about the process

[–]1bruiser18100 points101 points  (2 children) | Copy

They don’t care about the race they hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners

[–]destraht13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

I once had a hot chick waiting for me in high school at the finish line after I won the 400m. She patiently waited to speak with me for 20-30 seconds as I walked it off. The problem was that although I had figured out how to win gloriously at something I didn't yet know how create a situation where I could fuck a woman.

[–]thesoloronin13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unless the process involves lots of wet pumping and screaming.

[–]ConfidentActuator377 points378 points  (4 children) | Copy

"Yep, I was born like this, baby. It's pure genetics. All of it."

And you know what? It's not even a lie. You had the genes all along, you just made them manifest.

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (0 children) | Copy

you sir, have hit a dinger. Have an up-vote.

[–]nyxko24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, genetics professor.

[–]Snowaey66 points67 points  (0 children) | Copy

I actually forgot about: "Make Your Accomplishments Look Effortless" until you reminded me, thank you.

[–]Sin-Silver192 points193 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's pretty much the 30th law of power right their. She wants to believe you are a natural alpha, An alpha built by god and by nature put on earth to reward her for being herself.

It's always better to make your skills and abilities look like they came naturally or without effort, otherwise people are gonna think of your as unauthentic or get jealous.

[–]vwowv74 points75 points  (0 children) | Copy

She wants to believe you are a natural alpha, An alpha built by god and by nature put on earth to reward her for being herself.

You nailed it / came here to say this

[–]Borsao6651 points52 points  (2 children) | Copy


Do not accept the roles that society foists on you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dramatic devices into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your character will seem larger than life.


Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your tricks or they will be used against you.


The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing, that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.


The way you carry yourself will often determine how you are treated: in the long run, appearing vulgar or common will make people disrespect you. For a king respects himself, and inspires the same sentiment in others. By acting regally and confident of your powers, you make yourself seem destined to wear a crown.

[–]CCP_Started_Pandemic14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

You forgot the most applicable one: Law 30

[–]Distractingyou94 points95 points  (5 children) | Copy

Evolutionary psychology could get us so far if political correctness didn't get it in the way

[–]Snowaey53 points54 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well, it's only gonna get worse brother, enjoy the decline.

[–]RiskyRewarder8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just one giant shit test, you have a lot to learn

[–]Rebombastro4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Political correctness is only deterring weak-minded individuals. Use it to your advantage by being your authentic self while working on your body, mind and finances. Political correctness will help differentiate yourself from the rest greatly. Cheers from Germany.

[–]Bird-law39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is a hard one to understand sometimes. Makes you realize the huge difference in ways of thinking between the sexes. I had this discussion regarding the ability to play guitar and sing. Discussed how there was a time when he first started and we are only seeing him after years of practice, hard work, and failure. All I kept getting back from the females I was talking to was how talented and naturally gifted he was. It was as if the concept of growth and talent development did not exist.

[–]reduxDev101 points102 points  (6 children) | Copy

I hate the whole "women looking for good genes thing" most of surival is about behavior, not genes. There are millions of dead people who had great genes, probably a better starting point that you had. Genes don't give you resistance to being shot in the face.

Also epigenetics exist.

I think what women really are thinking when they want a guy who "just gets it" and just "is" a winner is that they want it to be so implied in his being that he will conquer that it doesn't even need to said or reinforced or validated. Like the man, as a being, is some broken algorithm that prints money, no need to worry about it working, it will work every time.

If you wanna get Jungian on it, which is what I believe. Women don't have the ability to rebuild their superego the way men do. Children are passed down their idea of what humanity is from their parents, this is the superego. If the formula for "the way humanity should be" is correct, you'll grow up to be just like ur father, and ur sister will marry a guy just like ur father. But that isn't always the case. Just because you became a father doesn't make you perfect, and just because you conquered the problems of your time doesn't mean you can conquer the future.

In every heroes tale either the father dies or the father is incapable of being king for some reason, and so his son has to step up and prove himself and become king, and before he steps up he has crushes and acts all beta and after he proves himself the girl is all over him. There is no "before and after" for the women there is only "I knew you could do it".

Women have no concept of this, the hero of the story is always male. Yeah girls develop their character and become better people I guess, but it's not heroic, it's just because why not. Theres nothing on the line, she isn't balancing the future of humanity in her actions, her actions only determine who she is next to, so in order to be a good queen, the first thing and most important thing she has to do is get picked by a king. Meanwhile to be a good king, men have to first become king, and then run the fucking kingdom better than anyone else.

I could go on and on about this forever, but thats why women have daddy issues and men don't. Men get over it or they die or they be a slave to their father their whole lives. I had a shit dad, drug addict, everything he taught me had nothing to do with the real world and following his shitty advice costs me at least 5 years of my adult youth. So to become successful i had to unlearn it and teach myself. I had to be my own father, as every man should. My sister however, is daddys little girl, and just grabbed a guy just like him. In her mind my father will always be better than me which as the successful, red pilled man i am today, I find hilarious.

You could make an argument that "fluid intelligence"-the ability to be the best at any random number of tasks, is what women are looking at here, which is genetic. But having a good father and good guidance kicks the shit out of that anyday.

I tell this shit to my current gf and she just has no fucking idea what i'm talking about, to this day when we talk about my past she says the most condescending bullshit on the fucking planet, like why didn't I just stop being homeless. Shes a smart girl too, Master's degree, but they just don't see it. Struggle for me is fighting to let go of parts of myself that are weak, struggle for her is the world attacking her. Don't get resentful about it, simply withold respect.

[–]asskisser61 points62 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Struggle for me is fighting to let go parts of myself that are weak, struggle for her is the world attacking her”


[–]8trius24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

So much respect for this post, my dude.

[–]acoltismypassport18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

That last sentence, well said. What women considering to be problems are run of the mill shit for life as a man.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You might like Lacan, since it seems you can grasp Jungian analysis.

Lacan coined the controversial phrase 'the woman does not exist'.

Look it up and do some research. It will give some depth and added perspective to your theory of why women can't change their superego.

[–]reduxDev1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the recommendation i'll have to check him out.

[–]oooKenshiooo44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy

Girls can only relate if they had to overcome stuff theirselves.

My girl was born a daughter of immigrants, but she hussled hard and is now a senior consultant at 24. She can relate to this kind of struggle.

Most girls have it easy though. That's why they think people are born a certain way and that's it.

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[–]oooKenshiooo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, but even an ugly girl can get a nice body, which will bump her to at least a 5 or 6 on the scale.

[–]srosete32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

As Cristiano Ronaldo said, "talent without hard work is useless". Same could be said about genes

[–]1bruiser1825 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah but girls don’t care about your hard work or your struggle. They care about your big arms and shredded 6 pack. Let them think you’re just a natural monster.

“Women don’t care about the struggle, they hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners.”

[–]hh2000779 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women don’t give a fuck about your struggles, they wait at the finish line

[–]acoltismypassport9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you can tantalise a woman's mind using your social and physical abilities, she'll believe any bullshit that comes out of your mouth. That's partially because she's already decided she wants to fuck you, and partly because you're already in her head.

I've had similar experiences to you, but I never reveal what I once was - a skinny-fat, social retard with terrible game. How things change.

[–]SpinPlates29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well said and I agree 100%

Women don't really understand or relate to hard work. They hangout at the finish line and fuck the winners, the naturally gifted.

Whenever I was in my early 20s I would spend 2 hours in the gym 6 days a week. Girls would ask if I worked out and I always got a better response if I just played it off like "Um kinda, I just run and do push-ups" and they think I just have great genetics. Morons.

[–]Dravous19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women don't really understand or relate to hard work.

in my experience some of them do, but there's a caveat:

some of them fell for the "you can have it all" BS, and actually put in the hard work to get a career, so they do understand it. but, they don't appreciate it. once they've got it, they realize it wasn't worth the trouble and wish(whether they admit it or not) that they had chose to be a housewife instead.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

*She wants to believe the myth of YOU*

Its solipsism too--Women are born with their value. Men must create it

[–]PM_Me_Sexy_Belly[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely. Women don't wanna hear about your struggles they only wanna observe the winner in you so that they feel good about being pumped by a winner

[–]Protocol_Apollo10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look up flowers and forges by u/feralred.

Women don’t care about your journey, only the end results.

Women don’t want to see behind the curtain, they don’t want to know how much you struggled to get to 225 bench or how many times you got rejected or how you know how to act with women, they just want to feel you “just get it”.

Same thing with/same reason why they hate TRP. They hate to see the manual, but love seeing the results of using said manual.

[–]party_dragon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

“I know you work out hard, but you were BORN like this. You were always like this.” She could not fathom that I had to build myself up to what I am now.

No, she was talking about your mind. You were born with this drive to improve and the willingness to work hard, that got you to where you are. (Although being a loser in school might also have something to do with it, though again, it's mostly mindset - some people, when pushed down, stay down, others jump back up harder.)

[–]DrunkOldBear4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can,'t and won't stop learning.

[–]gotmilo1111 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

Damn. I had the whole mentality different. I would always assume a women like how a man faced obstacles and challenges of loosing weight. Would always post my before pictures and show them how I look now on Snapchat. Saying I grind to get to this point.... Didn't know they just want the finish product that they assumed you were just like that

[–]1bruiser1811 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah they don’t care about your process. They want the finished result. Let em think you’re just a naturally superior man.

[–]MrJackDriaway1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The fact that you were previously not what you are now implies the possibility that what you are now could change, you could revert back, or degenerate. Rather than face this realism women prefer the comfort of the confidence that what you are now is constant and forever.

[–]gotmilo112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah go it! But no I'm not going to revert being blue pill nor fat. This is me and forever!

[–]BlueberryMilshake0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Would you rather have a fit girl who used to be fat, or just one who was naturally fit? Which girl's genetics do you (who used to be fat) want your children to have?

[–]gotmilo111 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I wish I knew this earlier... Luckily I'm starting to develop this abundance mindset. Because every girl on my Snapchat and Instagram knows the truth, that this kid had to go to the gym and change his diet to be this fit.

Man this shit was harder than I thought ...

[–]BlueberryMilshake1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not about abundance, it's common sense and empathy. For women, historically and subconsciously, every sex entails a future of raising a kid. They want good genes. If you think about it, so do you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The magician must never reveal the trick. So never explain it to anyone who doesn't want to become a magician very very badly.

And these chicks must be way less smarter than I gave them credit for - how dumb can you be? So there's again no point in explaining to those incapable of understanding basic truths.

[–]linkofinsanity195 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably one of the best posts I've seen in a while. I've always had these thoughts, especially recently. However, you put them into words well. Basically, letting her in on your loser past is only convincing her (subconscious) that she shouldn't fuck you, lest she potentially have genetically inferior children. She won't be able to explain why, but if you convince her of the loser you used to be and how far you have come, she won't appreciate it like men do. Quite the opposite, she'll lose attraction.

[–]sensual_predditor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

from a philosophical standpoint I do sort of see it as a somewhat binary situation: there are those who have it in them to own their shit and will, at some point, begin the climb. and there are those who don't and will forever be the rudderless sailboat. Sure you aren't born Adonis Casanova, esq but you had the guts to take the first step. and the next. and the next

[–]ReasonablyGoodMexica2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like the idea. "Of course, woman. I've always been like this." Which is the equivalent of saying "Woman, I was borne out of my mother's womb full clad in armor and proceeded to fucking slaughter my 400 brothers before they killed me, aztec deity style." Much like the aztec religion, this is full of shit, but they want that. They crave the fantasy.

Amazing insight.

[–]Da-redcrip2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

'Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. Avoid the temptation of revealing how hard you work, it only raises questions. Teach no one your tricks or they will be used against you.'


[–]dopexile2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she knew the truth she would lose attraction. That is the irony.

Not only are you supposed to run around the gym like a rat but you are supposed to be high quality your entire life from the get go, never building yourself up.

[–]hunkvk2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 22 and still a virgin. I always felt about that but story gave me a lot of hope and what I should be doing in life.

[–]KillYourInnerLoser2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

"She doesn’t know that I was a fat kid who got picked on in primary school."

Then why don't you tell her?

"She doesn’t know that I was the worst basketball player on my middle school team."

Then why don't you tell her?

"She doesn’t know that I was a skinny weakling in high school"

Then why don't you tell her?

My point is - she doesn't know these things because you haven't told her.

"There’s nothing to gain by telling your plate/LTR about the tribulations and troubles of your past. Keep it to yourself, it will feed the mystery and myth of you in her eyes."

My experience has been the complete opposite; I've been 100% upfront and honest with every girl I've been casual with, or had a longer relationship with - I'm even upfront and honest with my casual fuckbuddies. I've been met with complete honesty from them (which makes banging them/dating them a HELL of a lot easier/less drama). Not to mention they're more sexually-open and wild in bed because me sharing my vulnerabilities with them makes them comfortable sharing theirs with me - better sex and better relationships.

Not to mention by sharing your struggles, you show them it's ok not to be perfect - and they'll start sharing their struggles with you and they'll understand everyone is a work in progress. A lot of them will be inspired by your self-improvement efforts, and they'll start working on their own self-improvement. You can literally inspire chicks to start their own "red pill journey" just by sharing yours.

Example conversation from literally 1 week ago:


I'm having 3somes with her and another girl I'm dating:


Again, I'm this honest and open with EVERY girl I bang. It's worked well for me - I'm at 140+ lays, had 3somes with 14 different girls, been dating my girlfriend for 2+ years (we sleep with other girls together). There's proof of all that on my site (pics and vids).

I understand that I'm probably not going to change your mind on this, and I don't necessarily want to. You're very adamant about your philosophy, I'm very adamant about mine; I'm not here to debate. Just offering a different side to the story.


[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I get this perspective and how it aligns with your handle. Kind of like how old honest Abe said, "I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends." You kill the inner loser when you're not ashamed of him.

I always enjoy these kinds of twists on dynamics. Trying so hard to go in the opposite direction when you can just flip the scale instead.

[–]KillYourInnerLoser0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well said mate. Or as Jordan Peterson says (and Carl Jung before him): Embrace your shadow).

[–]longjeep2005[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I appreciate your comment and you make a great point. I’ll definitely try some of that out more and see how it goes. Already did a little bit this morning, and it went well. If you have the time, you ought to make a counterpoint post; this one got quite popular and it’s always good to have different perspectives especially for those figuring it out. Thanks man and have a great day

[–]KillYourInnerLoser2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Glad you got something out of it. I've already written plenty of counterpoint articles written; maybe ill post some on TRP at some point.

Eg: https://killyourinnerloser.com/on-being-alpha/



[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be fair, you were born with great genes like all healthy humans. But you actually put them to work and made them show that greatness.

[–]Fozes2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I hate how true this is. What's even the fucking point then

[–]longjeep2005[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Does it matter so much what others think of you or know about you? You’ll know the struggle and grind of what it took to become the man you are, and that’s all that matters

[–]FinallyRed3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I want a girl to say this to me, and completely drop the bomb on her how pathetic I used to be with a complete DGAF attitude about her knowing the truth - just to test the effortlessness law of power vs the imperfection teaching of pook.

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[–]UnbreakableButts3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are retarded as fuck. Tell them what they want to hear and then fuck them silly.

[–]surfingjesus1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not all women are this stupid. They go to the gym and have transformations, too. I'd rather find somebody more grounded in reality who can appreciate that.

[–]longjeep2005[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m just amazed that you know my LTR so well from one comment she made. I’ll tell her she needs to give back her masters in medicine

[–]surfingjesus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

People can specialize and still be generally dumb as shit, especially when it comes to the person they’re in a relationship with. But you’re either lying/misrepresenting this person to play yourself up, or she’s one of those people. Most likely you are lying.

[–]TheMailmanic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


It's what all women want in their men

[–]Polengoldur0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She wants to believe the myth of YOU

not quite. she needs to believe the myth that you can't rise up out of your situation, that certain people are just born certain ways. its the only thing she can hold on to. seeing other people take responsibility for themselves when she hasn't invalidates her life choices, or lack-there-of.

[–]NeuralTech0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wait until pussy gets boring...

[–]riggedved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Needed to hear this. Thanks.

What to do when someone overshares? Any way to create mystery again?

[–]LilSick240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never reveal what's behind the curtain.

[–]hockeyaddict870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You hit the nail on the head man. One of my red pilled friends said don’t ever mention the gym to a girl. Let her believe the narrative that your were born like that”.

[–]Mahepii0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol believe me this is not how most women think. If being shredded happened mainly due to good genetics instead of hard work, there would be shredded people all over the place.

[–]10points4gryffinddor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well.. she thinks this way because women are so bad at asserting their will and changing things around them. They would just rather things be the way they are and adjust around that as much as they could. They believe in chance and submitting to the status quo.. this is why you never find any incredible strong women leaders... they are very very few. Men on the other hand have it in them/the potential to challenge status quo and change and affect many many things.. through incredible amounts of hard work and such.. therefore they cannot fathom the fact that you actually put in all this work.. they just rather believe that you were always this way

[–]deville050 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Well to be fair, neither would we know if you didn't write this pointless post. Maybe try educating her. Also enough with the 'after I was done fucking her' shit. It's irrelevant and you are just here to stroke your own ego

[–]longjeep2005[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What’s the point of “educating” her? To stroke my own ego?

[–]deville050 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How do get to complain about women getting it wrong about when you aren't willing to tell em about you. She might be a dumbass after that but atleast you would know

[–]longjeep2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not complaining about it, just observing it. I couldn’t care less if my girl knows how hard I work, I know how hard I work and that’s what matters. Imo, trying to get a girl to really understand you is a BP fantasy. Let her love you the way she wants to, and be comfortable with oneself. That’s my philosophy

[–]Sword_Artist_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man some of you kids are fuckin crazy

[–]fuckingjoggers0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

sorry, but your ltr is dumb as fuck

[–]CountBarlow-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

She may have also been trying to boost your confidence. When you state what seems like obviously true things about yourself, girls sometimes view it as you being negative and feeling bad about yourself, and so they react the same way they would to one of their girlfriends calling themselves fat. They try to make you feel better. She isn’t trying to convince herself of anything about you, she already knows what you really are trust me, she just wants you to feel better about yourself. You DON’T actually feel bad about yourself, but what her behavior should tell you is that even if you feel weak or if you did have to work for your position, never reveal this to the world, because it puts her in a dangerous position to be with a man who openly talks about his weaknesses.

[–]JustSatan-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sounds like some shit my crazy ass sister would say lol

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[–]VigilantRedRooster1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is an important and bitter Red Pill. Women do not love men the same way men love women. They don't perceive and value struggle and hardship the same way as men. Laying your heart and weaknesses bare to women TURNS THEM OFF. Behave otherwise at your own peril.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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