Men have a much harder physical standard in order to be attractive

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-07-21T06:14:37+00:00

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OxleyTheBull · 2020-07-21T12:01:41+00:00

It's really not surprising girls have always told each other to love each other no matter what (weather they mean it really or not) but most guys really try to push each other to be stronger, skinny guys poked fun of, big guys poked fun of, and generally have more physical competition.

Feel like once companies noticed the benefits of having plus size models for the image would be great for them and they aren't wrong those marketers are the smartest ppl in the world. I mean have y'all seen a plus size male model? Cuz I haven't.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-07-21T07:46:43+00:00

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TheBookOfSeil · 2020-07-21T07:31:48+00:00

For everyone saying “all men care about is looks,” that’s why men have a harder physical standard. We have to meet women’s standards which are everything. They want the total package, and they think that their looks are mostly what qualify them to get a total package because that’s all that men are requesting (for hookups).

If men raised their standards, that would just leave more people unhappy, and it’s about as realistic as women lowering their standards. Is that really a solution though? If women lowering their standards isn’t a solution to this problem, then I don’t see how men raising theirs would be a solution either. Something's gotta give.

Mimoxs · 2020-07-21T06:22:58+00:00

I hope you're not using that to actually reflect the everyday world. NSFW subs are attracting an often niche community of people who come together on internet communities to find preferences that aren't common in real life.

There's a scat fetish sub on this site, do I take that to mean a ton of men now like scat and that it will be accepted by a lot of men?

There's a fetish sub for fat women, do I take that to mean that on average fat women aren't ridiculed and seen as disgusting in everyday society? Being appreciated by a mere fraction of humanity and humiliated by the rest can't feel good.

Also... Men are much more openly judgemental by their standard. Those standards may vary between men, but dear God, men are not afraid to openly and vulgarly criticize a near-stranger to her face on appearances.

Gerealtor · 2020-07-21T07:41:59+00:00

You conveniently leave out the fact that men seperate women into two categories of attractiveness; 1. Attractive enough to date/fall in love with, and 2. Fuckable.

Most of these "widened and lower preferences" that men have fall into the latter category. Women do not care if they fall into that category; we know it means nothing. It means nothing because all you have to do to fall into the average man's second category is not be obese, deformed and/or exceptionally ugly, and it means nothing because most women don't get anything out of just being fuckable; there's little to no pleasure in that.

Women, on the other hand, tend only to have one category for attractiveness: 1. Attractive.

It's not that our standards are necessarily higher or lower than men's, it's just that we only have the number 1 category; men have the similar number 1 category, but they just so happen to also have number 2, which means nothing to us (or you, outside of fucking). People on here will use the number 2 category and try to pretend it meshes in equally with number 1 as a way to prove that men have lower standards than women, but we aren't stupid; we know that's not how it actually works.

To be honest, I think men and women are about equal in terms of standards, because at the end of the day, to the opposite gender, the number 1. standard is the only one that really means anything.

bionix90 · 2020-07-22T19:27:12+00:00

I spend 11ish hours a week working out, split between cardio and muscle work. My gym is always at least 90% male. The cardio machines are split evenly between the sexes and the rest is all men. That's all you need to know to come to the same conclusion. Men need to work on their bodies, on their muscles, to remain competitive. To stand any chance. Women at most just need to not be land whales. And even those who are still get some.

Suspended16Times · 2020-07-22T22:09:28+00:00

It's been proven women only want the top 20% of men. They find any guy below a 7/10 invisible or disgusting.

They are just as judgemental and shallow as men only they have higher standards to what they find attractive.

For men, dont be fat, shave, and have all your teeth.

For women, have a defined jawline, be taller than average, be thin and or muscular, have nice hair, skin, and teeth. A lot of things outside of a mans control

dalia-chan · 2020-07-21T09:00:20+00:00

Lmao. You know that being a fetish is different from being admired and loved right?? A man can totally have a fetish for WOC but will only see them as nothing else but a cum dumpster to fulfill his fantasies, and he will then marry the most conventionally attractive woman he can get because of social pressure. Men just view the majority of women fuckable! They don’t see them dateable, and these things are usually influenced by a woman’s facial features, ethnicity, age and even social statu , which are things that she have no control over! An average looking woman with a banging body will be nothing but a butterface. But oh yeah.. I forgot that men think it’s a compliment to be viewed like a flesh light.

Ps: I remember now that there’s a study that stated that blue eyed men tend to prefer blue eyed women, but blue eyed women don’t care about that. Which is kind of true cause I saw many hot white women with colored men, but hot white men tend to only date hot white women mhh 🤔.

jacquesreve · 2020-07-21T15:09:30+00:00

Not only that, but also the fact that the female body is malleable and with the proper adjustments any 5/10 can turn into a 9/10. With men this is not possible, and adding the fact that most men for biological reasons do not put other traits into account, we end up with this enormous disparity between both genders.

A woman can make a surgery to thin her waist, she can put on silicone to make her tits and ass huge, she can use make up to hide some imperfection she might have, she can use Botox to make her lips sexier, she can make a surgery to increase the apples of her face, and even if she decides that she won't do any of that, she'll still recive validation from the media and from desperate simps.

If a man dare to make a surgery (when possible) he's going to be shamed for that, as if he was cheating on nature. Plus, a man cannot increase his hight, to widen his shoulders, some genetics preclude men from getting muscles without steroids, a man cannot increase the thickness or size of his dick (you better not to try), so from a social standpoint, yes, it's much harder for men to meet physical standards of today's society.

However we have something good to take out of it. As the male beauty standards rises up, more products to increase men's beauty will appear as the time goes by. In the future we will possibly have products to increase male testosterone without damaging side effects, more clothing tips from model professionals and so on... As the demand for beauty increases more men will be able to achieve a Chad status with the necessary amount of effort and patience.

The only inconsistency that I see here is that men are also to blame for this disparity between the genders. If men weren't so desperate to have sex, if they're able to reject women with a big butt, then women would be forced to adapt and change their behaviour towards men standards.

Chloe_01 · 2020-07-21T15:17:13+00:00

I think this is the most removed comments thread I have ever seen

Thinkingard · 2020-07-21T16:14:03+00:00

I don’t think utilizing porn subs is a good way to make a point instead point out the decades of male models looks compared to females. Females only need to eat within their calories to look good, men need to lift, take steroids, and be genetically gifted facially. When is the last time we saw a male mode without abs and a defined chest? Or simply point to romance covers. Or point out how women can hide flaws with clothing and makeup and men cannot.

flamingoinghome · 2020-07-21T14:45:30+00:00

This is like the tenth time someone's posted this thread, and it always ignores several things:

Men with a fetish are always "counted" as a viable option for women to date; telling men to seek out women with fetishes is met with scorn and disbelief.
Most women simply don't care as much about body as men--we're more into face, style, and presentation. Case in point: there isn't even a concept of a male butterface. That's just an unfortunate-looking guy.
Related, men on this sub get weirdly hostile to any style advice, or being told to cultivate niche appeal.

jigglypuff__0 · 2020-07-21T06:25:05+00:00

It’s not women’s fault men fuck everything.

Tell the boys to have higher standards then?

At the end of the day both genders are critical. The reason why a woman’s critique hurts more is because women not only critique men’s bodies, they follow through by not fucking these types of men.

Men will critique the shit out of a woman, but he will still fuck her, as will a thousand other men who may or may not find her attractive.

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mtia · 2020-07-21T11:22:19+00:00

I think it's the contrary. Women are selected mostly for their body, while men are subjected to much broader judjements (body, personality, success). That's why in my opinion men often fetishize body parts while you can find many women who look for particular characters (the intellectual, the bear...) that encompass all those features.

MooseKabo0se · 2020-07-21T11:22:26+00:00

Men who are not desperate, who have options, are extremely superficial.

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princessangelbaby_ · 2020-07-21T06:33:58+00:00

Women can at least see beyond a man's looks and desire him because he has other redeeming qualities though. Men cannot see beyond looks, they will always be the number 1 most important quality for men.

So she might not think you are the hottest guy, but she is still with you because you are talented or ambitious, and he might not actually like you as a person, but you're hot - so no matter.

Which is worse? To be desired by an arbitrary quality (looks) or an actual substantial quality that defines your personality such as talent or ambition?

BachelorofBabylon · 2020-07-21T06:15:25+00:00

Well isn't it a good thing that woman judge men on characteristics that are different than how men judge women?

_mwk · 2020-07-21T08:18:38+00:00

u wish

most of yall dont know what it takes to be an attractive woman

you whine and whine about how fatties have chasers but have u ever heard the chaser talk about the fatty

spoiler alert: its gross af

get it together & lose the fucking weight and stfu, all a man needs to not be a loser is a normal bod and normal standards

but yall want adriana lima to love your fat rolls & have nsa sex with u. i too wish chad loved my fat rolls and married me

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-07-21T07:30:14+00:00

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diraclikesmath · 2020-07-21T17:00:32+00:00

If Indian girls threw themselves at Indian guys like white girls threw themselves at white guys then you wouldn’t be complaining.

SlashCo80 · 2020-07-21T17:43:37+00:00

Not trying to CYV because I agree. Women have to be reasonably fit, well groomed, and with a basic knowledge of how to dress and apply makeup in order to be considered attractive. As you said, all body types have their fans.

Meanwhile men not only have to be fit and well-groomed, they generally have to be tall, lean and muscular as well, with a full head of hair (some guys get away with shaving their head but not many), sharply dressed, and that's before we get into the requirements for money and personality.

rubbooyuri · 2020-07-21T20:18:41+00:00

Oh OP, really? Cmon, we’re not that dumb; we know that Reddit has tens of thousands of porn subs, ok? Don’t present that tiddly little list as the sum of male desire, gawds

waxedmintfloss · 2020-07-22T02:56:29+00:00

Yeah but that’s just pictures online. In real life, men have a narrower taste in dating partners than they do in porn. And in real life, women regularly fall in love with average looking dudes who don’t have to keep up with as many rules to societal approval of their gender conformity as their partners do.

Hoopy223 · 2020-07-21T14:26:07+00:00

OP is right. The current “beauty standard” for young men is only attainable via steroids for most. Luckily for us guys being confident, funny, smart, well-dressed etc can get you just as far.

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TheGirlGetter9000 · 2020-07-21T12:32:02+00:00

> Men have a wider range of preferences and typically an inferior threshold required to feel attracted to a woman compared to vice versa; Women tend to have a much more narrow range for what they find attractive. As a result of this very observable fact of life

Hold up...

There's a wider range of women who are attractive types to men? Think you got it backwards there. Women are pretty universally agreed upon by men, as for who is attractive and who is not. Men have much more disagreement about them.

In any case, this all just depends on your POV. If you're an ugly girl, it's easy to say it's better to be a man--you can be judged on other things too if you're male. If you're an average girl, well, depends what lot in life you're looking for. An average girl can get vastly better hook-ups than an average guy, but has a fragment of the ability to self-improve and get better relationships, or get those better hook-ups to treat her better. If you're an attractive girl, your match is an attractive man, which imo is the best thing to be in the world. Attractive, high status men can get everything they want in life and have compete autonomy over it. That's winning.

I could easily run this back for the different levels of men and say why women of the same level have it better. Really, though: the reason people are so prone to say "the other gender has it better" is because the other gender typically has what your own gender wants. If you're a man, you wish you could receive interest from women, rely on your looks, etc. If you're a woman, you wish you could do men things idk. The thing is, it's easier to notice the advantages the opposite gender has than the disadvantages, seeing as you take your own advantages for granted and ignore all else.

GGMcThroway · 2020-07-21T15:56:15+00:00

2/3 of male messages go to the top 1/3 of women. 80% of female messages go to the bottom 1/2 of men. Women don't care about looks nearly as much as men do, so men can make up for their ugliness with other qualities (like personality). Meanwhile, an ugly woman is SOL since men are far more shallow.

But sure. Keep bragging about how much more men value looks and keep pretending that women seeing them more as people is a bad thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-07-21T07:39:59+00:00

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Zombombaby · 2020-07-21T13:50:06+00:00

No, I just think you guys aim to high for women you're putting on pedestals when all women want is a guy who treats them like an equal. I'm not a 10, I wouldn't try to date a 10, and I don't really feel attracted to conventionally handsome men.

My husband hates his nose and his chest. But those are the things that instantly attracted me to him (I love big noses on men and dad bods). After a decade together, I know he respects and loves me for who I am the same way I do him. He's self conscious about aging (sagging skin, wrinkles, hair loss, Grey hairs in his beard, etc.). But I love him just the way he is. I constantly compliment and try and uplift him and he does the same when I have insecurities.

Ultimately, It's not about attractiveness, it's about compatibility. Some people are just more in tuned for what works for them long term. A handsome face can get scarred, aged, twisted with bitterness. It doesn't provide emotional security, growth as a couple, or security with mutual goals. I met plenty of guys I thought were gorgeous but I knew long term, they would never have worked out because I wouldn't enjoy their personalities in a romantic level. A pretty face will only get you so far in life.

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PlainSlim · 2020-07-21T14:42:58+00:00

It's harder in different ways. A beautiful woman has it easy because she's born beautiful, didn't really have to do anything, and she's automatically desirable. For an ugly woman, it is literally impossible to become desirable. Men cannot be attracted without looks.

Men however, if you are born very attractive, it's pretty easy, but if you have a dud personality you can ruin it (whereas it's easier for beautiful women with bad personalities). If you are born ugly, you can make up for it with other personality based traits and still be legitimately attractive to many women.

So basically in ranks of easiest to hardest to be attractive: Attractive Women > Attractive Men > Ugly Men > Ugly Women.

Also there is a disconnect, because men care about women as a whole. So to them, they see 70% of women as attractive which is reasonably easy to find. But the individual women who are in the 30%, they don't care about how easy it is for men to find an attractive women, but how hard it is for her to seem attractive to men.

Jolyafuse · 2020-07-21T18:29:55+00:00

Jesus, wtf happened here? A comment Purge or something?

we_wuz_kangz_420 · 2020-07-21T19:15:29+00:00

In other words Water is wet

Easy_Nefariousness_5 · 2020-07-21T19:53:56+00:00

This seems like complete BS to me.

Unless you're noticeably short or just damn ugly, as an average guy, being disciplined in the gym and eating, learning to be fashionable, and grooming, will put you visually ahead of the vast majority of guys who are pot bellies wearing cargo shorts and an old t shirt. No shit you won't look better than chad, but if you live outside of Reddit, an average guy has the power to be noticeably attractive. Whereas women are generally judged for their face, having tits or an ass, and being fashionable and having makeup is the norm. And no, squats can only do so much.

Turdcutter99 · 2020-07-21T20:55:18+00:00

Men will stick their dick in anything...breaking news

emeral132 · 2020-07-22T00:12:45+00:00

You are right about a broader spectrum of physical attributes being considered attractive in women than men but sometimes men can sidestep physical attractiveness by over achieving in another area of life which can be harder for women to do.

For example it’s easier for men to offset being fat with a non physical quality such as charisma, being funny or being successful.

If you’re online dating I guess it’s harder to get these characteristics across since it’s largely based on your picture.

von-rothbart · 2020-07-22T08:24:43+00:00

But looks are comparatively a less important factor when it comes to a man's value.

Sure, there are chicks that care a lot about guys' looks. But there are quite a lot of women who care little about that and will judge you more by your success and intellectual abilities. Men who really don't care at all about a woman's looks: almost completely no one.

I have the personal theory that many incels overestimate lookism among women because the women who care more about other things ignore them so much that the incels don't even become aware of their existence, so they get stuck at the instagram six-pack-hungry "stacies".

Not saying women who don't care about looks are less superficial. But their superficiality is less about physical looks.

AloysiusC · 2020-07-22T20:04:37+00:00

Wtf this place is looking like menslib with all the deleted comments.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-07-23T08:53:37+00:00

As a result of this very observable fact of life, the pressure males endure to measure up to genetic body standards/ideals is definitely greater, and we can’t openly talk about it without being shamed or viewed as less masculine lol.

Because it's whiny.
Be a sugar daddy if you're that upset about it, OR get a better personality.

Women can claim they feel more pressure all they wish,

We do, especially when whiny about fat chicks.

but the fact is that males, overall as a group, are obviously less discriminating

WRONG. Even the Okcupid study you guys love posting even shows that men concentrate their efforts on 8s, 9s, and 10s.

and judgmental of women’s body types than women, as a group, are of men’s.

Because women carry their weight better than men do. That's also why we have more obese women than obese men. Obese men die more.

PlanetSquare · 2020-07-26T04:18:50+00:00

i mean theres some variance for men too. Some people like big buff guys, some like skinny twinks, some like guys with dad bods.

gotobedyoungdreamer · 2020-10-06T15:11:30+00:00

This post is infinite in truth

SunflowerBurst · 2020-07-21T14:13:37+00:00

Okay well, this would matter if female appearance was solely measured by what men are willing and able to jack off to, but it is not. Women are affected mostly by the opinion of other women on appearance. But we are also affected by how men act towards us in normal, non-sexual situations. You all openly talk about how ‘post-nut clarity’ makes you disgusted by whichever woman you were just jerking it to. And the same men who get off on those subs will attack and criticize women for the same exactly appearance thing the sub praises them for, once the men are no longer horny. Men are the ones saying how they are all just visual animals with no self-control and how stupid women are for thinking personalities matter. At least women judge attraction by more than just photo image looks. There are never going to be subs of women thirsting over men the way there are in reverse because women’s sexuality isn’t like that and they have no need to be thirsty. There can’t be a comparison like that. Women claim to be more pressured about looks because it’s a fact. You are always telling us all we have to offer is looks and youth so it’s not like we made it up.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-07-21T07:33:04+00:00

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GunBullety · 2020-07-21T11:55:01+00:00

What is with the comment holocaust? Who is this Mrs_Drgree thing and what is it's malfunction?

DissonanceBadger · 2020-07-21T15:33:53+00:00

It goes like this: For men, the physical attractiveness of a woman is a primary attraction parameter. For women, a man’s physical attractiveness is a secondary attraction parameter. Women are attracted to competence, most commonly expressed through behavior. Physical appearance just isn’t as important. Because looks are a secondary attractiveness parameter for women, a man has to be exceptional at it for it to trump the primary attraction parameter, but if you’re trying to win women with looks, you’re playing the wrong game, which is why it actually doesn’t matter, which ironically makes it not really important.

A woman on the other hand has to compete on looks, and the range of what’s acceptable isn’t as wide as you imply. The Reddits you posted are essentially fetishes. There absolutely is a single standard of beauty, it just doesn’t necessarily consists of what you think it does. For example, in the past, full women were considered more attractive than skinny ones, however the hip to waist to chest ratio that was considered ideal was the same back then as it is now for skinny women.

UnfairGarbage · 2020-07-21T12:30:28+00:00

Keep in mind that women are the selectors of the species: you can thank them for a great deal of our progress and evolutionary success.

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