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The latest RSD video from Owen aka Tyler has some awesome red pill truths complete with hidden camera footage:


I like his breakdown of why women do this, he talks about it being a self defense mechanism to keep the provider types around so they can be taken care of while getting dick from the lover types on the side.

Moreover his point is that you should be excited by this rather than be bitter. Beta males will find this infuriating while alphas will be excited by the prospect.


Here's a RSD compilation video you guys might like:


[–]Aalewis__95 points96 points  (53 children) | Copy

That handshake at 3:25

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (45 children) | Copy

I thought I was doing a good job of swallowing TRP but seeing women do this shit so plainly laid out, It's fucking revolting, I guess you just have to put yourself in their shoes and replace betas with landwhales, still disturbing to see though.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (24 children) | Copy

The difference is that men largely just ignore landwhales, whereas beta men are downright exploited for their financial resources. It is disgusting.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

I used to exploit landwhales for blowjobs.

Just balancing out the ledger as far as I'm concerned.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (3 children) | Copy

They give the best head because they're hungry

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Truth. And I always told myself I was doing them a favor. It felt like charity.

Maybe that's how chicks feel about betas?

[–]raekai_music20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

how chicks feel about betas


[–]JudgeRedPill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They give the best head because they have to.


[–]1Zackcid30 points31 points  (9 children) | Copy

The successful among us will somehow, within all this bullshit, still find a light of motivation. We'll look at the super-awkward handshake and tell ourselves that "NO, I refuse to be HIM. I won't allow this to ever happen."

Women are gonna be women no matter what, so don't go expecting them to change and accommodate for us.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

It does motivate me, but I'm also overwhelmed by this righteous indignation, this butthurt beta shit, knowing that I've been that guy and before I came to know about game and TRP it could easily have been me. I wish it was easier to spread trp mentality without the problems it currently has.

[–]1Zackcid3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

I like to look at it with the mentality of:

If it were easy, everybody would be doing it

I'm convinced that, with all the bullshit that comes with TRP, we eventually get rewarded TREMENDOUSLY after internalizing it fully and living the life. I don't know of anybody who's swallowed the pill and reverted back to Blue Pill reality.

without the problems it currently has.

What kinda problems?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did. I read this shit over 10 years ago when it was still on SoSuave. I got turned off by a poster who claimed that all women were useless. I took it personally, thinking of my mom, sister, aunts, etc... Now, over 10 years later at the age of 28 I'm deeply filled with regret. I acted blue pill in so many ways even though I knew in the back of my head it was wrong.

I think you have to really internalize this shit and make it work for you. I was on the brink and then turned back. No more. It feels good to be back.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

I guess I know a few blue pill ish/ dispassionate/disengaged guys who just really aren't all that compelled to improve their situations and are pretty accepting of having low smv and being in bad situations. So this is part of what I mean by problems with spreading trp mentality, in that some people just see it as advice they don't really need and that can't really help them, the other problem would be red pill theory being an affront to a lot of feminism and societal ideas

[–]Uedukai2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

  • "see it as advice they don't really need"

Yeah, but this isn't a problem with Red Pill theory. You described it as an anecdote of guys being too stubborn to accept how psychology works.

I'd like to mention that it's rare our society actually comes up with a good idea. Feminism is certainly not one of them. It's also worthwhile to mention that Feminism began as perception vs reality. Make a big enough deal in a small group, and project the illusion that it's already 'large.' Weaker minded people will not look far into this, and will bandwagon.

  • "well if you Fuck her while she's drunk, it doesn't matter if was okay with it at the time, IT'S RAPE YOU MALE PIG!"

Yeah, because women can't make decisions either? Wow, whenever I get wasted, I shamelessly Suck men off outside of pubs. Maybe I shouldn't drink too much to avoid that! Maybe I was enjoying it, or I wouldn't be doing it in the first place, but I got embarrassed around people who saw, and now I'm going to flip this on him to avoid shame! What a fucking joke of (yet another) double standard. When did I become her father? She was sober enough to decline the see at any time, so why didn't she do it? She did it to take advantage of you, and protect her own identity from shame. Man, this is why Feminism is bad, this is why societal 'ideas' are bad. Want to know the best part about the general public? The majority is dumb. Kony2012!

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is true, a majority of people are dumb. It's also pretty dumb that people are convinced that being a sleazy asshole will get them women. Essentially it's easy to be stupid, it's easy to have no self control.I know lets convince men this will get them women! That will be popular! That will feed a unrealistic fantasy! Isn't it great? did you know you can get women while being a lazy, out of control douche? It's true!

Did you also know that eating chocolate will help you lose weight? It's true! I like pulling people into fake fantasies to get their interest and upvotes! $$$$$ Women definitely like sleazy men! it's definitely not a bad stereotype that hovers over men! Let's re-enforce that women are whores and ignore the scientific proof which shows they experience stronger emotional attachments.Lets ignore that they're emotional memories are stronger. Because women are forgiving type! They forget things easily and never bring things up later, especially if it's an emotional issue!! AmIright?? We should all forget our self control, we don't need to adjust ourselves to satisfy women's needs! Lets makes things up about them so we can feel less guilty when we're selfish! It's a great idea guys!.....guys.?

They're nothing but superficial users AmIright?

-_-' how deluded ...

[–]chakravanti931 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

the other problem would be red pill theory being an affront to a lot of feminism and societal ideas

You've got it backwards. TRP is not a club. It's a theory. A theory that has not been disproven in the thousands of years which have employed it. TRP offers test/hypothesis so that you can prove it for yourself.

Feminism and society are an affront to the truth. The latter has proven its value and capability and stuck around for quite a few of those thousands of years.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

While you're right, just because something is true doesn't mean people will accept it

[–]chakravanti930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's okay because it's not the truth that will be removed by a lack of acceptance.

[–]1493112513 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

its because women have been taught its ok to try to shame someone, because she is "sticking up for herself". Where as if a guy was to do it, it would be bulling her or verbally attacking her.

By doing this she gets everything she wants, Alpha dick and Beta security.

You need to remember, it is not her fault, she has grown up and been taught by the world that this behaviour is ok.

Dont be angry at her, you are angry that the real world is not some kind easy happy magical place, but rather a messy game. Learn to play the game better than her. Be the man that can get away with saying outragious things and do things to her she only lets real men do.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mean I get letting women have a lot less of the responsibility but if this is just "the way they are" I don't want them for much more than sex, it's just so absurd how hard they will diss a beta male just for fucking trying.

I'm not beta and I can do a lot of the shit tyler is talking about in this video and yes party of me is excited that betas will have no chance and i'll get as much pussy as i can run through but it's also pretty fucked to see the other side with any kind of depth.

[–]elchoma900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once they fall in love with you they'll do whatever the fuck you want. Some are hardcore sluts, but leaving those asides most girls are subconciously waiting for an alpha to dominate them. You can create the perfect housewife once game becomes second nature.

[–]zephyrprime2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is true that men ignore landwhales but we don't tool them like these women did and we don't turn them into our own personal economic slaves either. Nor do we berate and nag them for the rest of their lives.

[–]iStillEatSnakes5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well at least we don't (yet) have a fat acceptance counterpart. The Beta Acceptance movement. Real women like submissive men damnit.

[–]Robdogx90012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I actually can't wait for that, I have to get my schadenfreude from somewhere.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

shit would be so cash

[–]1Zackcid17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

Cringed so hard.

Especially since I've been in that position before. Call it traumatic.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ah the old "I can't fucking believe I did that" PTSD huh?

[–]Toof8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus, I have way too many of those things... Especially the ones where you realize, "I should be fucking dead for that."

[–]temparooney0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah he shoulda spit on it!

[–]Nieben-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Heheheheh... still in the provider role, he is. XD

[–]whoops_fap 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

Why is this the top comment? Quite literally one of the least notable points in the entire video.

[–]Aalewis__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess it hits too close to home for a lot of people, idk.

[–]neurosurg 58 points58 points [recovered] | Copy

Owen is the Alton Brown of the PUA world... Right down to the camera style, etc. I love how he's still giving a cheeky explanation as he's getting in the taxi at the end.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

he's an amazing PUA but a shitty instructor. he'll go and show off some tight game to reel you in and then ramble at the camera about nothing for an hour.

[–]t21spectre11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why I like TRP; it focuses on self-improvement, confidence and status building, and just being a man.

PUA "instructors" have come and gone for many years. Most of what they teach is gimmicks (peacocking and what not), in the end it doesn't work, the quick-fix/lose 30 pounds in 30 days/instant miracle our societies flock to rarely to never work. You can't hand someone a bag of tricks with confidence, charisma, and a sense of humor inside.

Changing a lifestyle and a full mental shift takes time.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Outer game vs. inner game

[–]1Sergnb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

actually Tyler's stuff focus heavily on inner game and having a good mentality.

Of course, he knows his audience and he knows they watch their videos so they can get pumped up for toniiiightts huunt!, so he is not going to tell them "look man, you are fucking undatable now, stop even trying until you work on yourself more", but at least he tells them the "work on yourself more" part.

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[–]redpill9091 points92 points  (70 children) | Copy

Videos like this make me want to jettison women altogether. The woman in the beginning is so smug in shutting down the 'beta' guy, but too stupid to realize she's overtly being made a fool of by the 'alpha' (or maybe she does know and just doesn't care). As the video said, I guess it makes me beta, but to see the complete switch in her primordial brain is like watching a dog change behavior and follow you when you hold up a piece of steak.

[–]boydeer14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

this is south beach. i live in miami, and women are incredibly fucking terrible here compared to other places.

[–]Nimitz876 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

agree south florida women are a breed all on their own.

[–]NeoBushi10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I lived 2 years in Miami. Also agree. They take hypergamy to the extremes. There is no subtlety at all. There is a clear and present line between those that get laid and those that don't that you can see it from space.

[–]elchoma900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God I fucking miss Miami so much. True Sluts everywhere.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (63 children) | Copy

Nope, you're just beginning to open your eyes. This video should be like a glass of freezing cold water thrown in your face.

[–]Gnashtaru31 points32 points  (62 children) | Copy

Lol I have been subscribed to this sub for a long time. And I get it buy wow to just seeit like this is nuts. II'm 36 with two ex wives, but I was also always the confident fun guy in the beginning. I just expected the relationship to grow and stabilize. Nope. I pay an assload of child support now.

Haha I wish I could go back and show myself this video 20 years ago.

I'm already giving my son the bare sugar coated basics of this stuff. Just to teach him how to protect himself. He's getting close to the age this starts to exist.

I'm at the point now where women can kiss my ass unless they have more to offer than sex though. God its liberating.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire223 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

36 and not one but TWO ex-wives!?!?! Jesus Christ I feel like I dodged a bullet!

[–]Gnashtaru9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

LOL you probably did.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire220 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

But I wanted to get married and have a family. I still do. But . . . women are just fucking retarded these days. Their expectations are too high and they're impossible to please. Also, to sustain the relationship, you have to engage in psychological warfare with them. Very annoying.

[–]Gnashtaru0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's the sad part. Women are just as intelligent as us but so many waste it because they don't have to bother. I just don't get that. I don't work to better myself because of society or even to attract women. Never have. I just like what I do. In fact the times I have been most unhappy in my life were when I did things because other people thought I should.
Why would a woman not excitedly pursue bettering herself personally? For me I am driven BH a "passionate curiosity" about the world around me. Why should women be any different? Why only be like this if you have to? Such a waste. Women seem to only do this if their sexuality is inadequate to provide their support for them. How empty a life that seems to be to me.
Sure some men are like that but the odds of a guy actually caring about choosing a path in life that's challenging and interesting to him are way higher. We don't just do it to impress women. I don't buy that for a second. I like what I like because its fascinating to me. Women like that are much more uncommon. Sad.

Look at the topic of women and pay. The news puts an unfair slant on it. Yes women are paid an average of 77 cents for every dollar men are. But that's proven to be because they choose lower paying career paths. Its even shown in the same study that fact is based on! :).

Anyway. What I'm trying to say is what a waste of a life.
I know highly exceptional women also. Don't get me wrong. They are some of my best friends. But women who just focus on being sexy instead of education or career because prince charming will provide for them infuriate me. Lol

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are not all like this. It's the ones that are physically attractive and young with average to below average intelligence and ability that tend to be like this (most people are average and below average). It's because they can get OTHER people to do stuff for them just because they are hot. These people will do it because they think it will get them laid, or provide another benefit. Sometimes the women even lead them to believe this. Anyway, their temporary ability to get other people to do stuff for them atrophies their own abilities.

[–]southernmost38 points39 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm at the point now where women can kiss my ass unless they have more to offer than sex though. God its liberating.

Liberating but lonely, because the vast majority of women aren't even good at sex. Expecting them to bring something else to the table like expecting your dog to get you a birthday present.

[–]JihadDerp15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Expecting them to bring something else to the table like expecting your dog to get you a birthday present.

Well said.

[–]Gnashtaru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL Yea I know. It's worth it though.

For me at least.

[–]zephyrprime-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

True. Most of the time, if the sex was good, it's just because the man put in extra effort because the man does most of the physical labor during sex.

[–]RockinRhombus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've had several exes who think ragdolling is good sex performance on their part.

[–]sideoftheham8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

21 year old here. You can also give me advice as if I were your son

[–]Gnashtaru7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lol well you can either be an asshole and get laid, or be alone and happy. Notice I didn't include happy with get laid... sure the game and the sex might be fun. But really if you want a fulfilling even level relationship you are rolling the dice. Most likely you will be alone and waiting.

Unless you are willing to hold out for the hot smart independent chick (there's only a few) you have to either just be the alpha and have shallow relationships, or wait a long time. Might as well get laid for now. Just ALWAYS WRAP IT. Even if the woman of your dreams tells you she's on the pill. Wrap it!

Have fun man.

[–]I-am-redditor5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Listen to this man: Wrap it!

[–]sideoftheham0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Appreciate it

[–]zephyrprime-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

The hot smart independent chick has problems too (of a different sort). Basically, she's independent because she is like a man and she's smart because she's more cerebral than emotional. Don't expect a lot of femininity or affection from her because she's only a step away from having been born lesbian.

[–]Gnashtaru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol well you can't have everything. But at this point in my life I know it sounds totally cliche' but I'd rather fall in love with a woman's mind than... well I shouldn't say body because there still has to be attraction. But she can have whatever demeanor she wants as long as I find her attractive at least a little, and shes great to talk to. Now by great to talk to I actually mean great to talk to. Not "hot so everything she says is amazing". Lol

[–]veggie_girl12 points13 points  (17 children) | Copy

I was also always the confident fun guy in the beginning. I just expected the relationship to grow and stabilize.

You will always be on your toes if you marry. Up until 60+ when she has zero chance of attracting anyone else. Growing complacent and thinking you will have it any easier than a single guy is an excuse for being lazy. Nothing wrong with being lazy, but lazy guys don't tend to get laid. The big difference with stable marriage (aka "shit tons of work") is it will provide a better environment for the kids than a split family/single mother. But in the end, men have to pay for kids either way and its often double dipping (marriage, child support, and in addition: taxes & affirmative action to support welfare single mothers). It might seem like it sucks, but that's only because of what feminism has been brain-raping everyone with for the last ~40 years.

[–]Modredpillschool16 points17 points  (14 children) | Copy

To add on to this- if you do decide on monogamy and a life-partner.. just don't marry! It seems simple, but a lot of guys don't get it.

It actually keeps her on her toes a little bit too... you do have to keep up your game, but it eliminates the threat-point that marriage creates.

It is my contention (and obviously Dalrock's too) that no woman can ever respect (or be attracted to long-term) a man that she has the control of threatpoint over.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

One additional factor that I think everybody has ignored that contributes to the situation today is how most people have their wealth in real estate. In the past divorce laws didn't favor women as much as today, but also a man's wealth was in his skill. People were more mobile. If your wife was unbearable you could leave her and not have a big chunk of your wealth taken from you by letting her have the house or part of the house.

Today the policies in western nations has been to use real estate as the main vector for inflation. Coupled by prohibitive building regulations and zoning laws and a wealthy older generation who lives of government benefits and see no reason to sell their land or their houses it means real estate is extremely expensive and it means if you want to have a roof over the head of your family you have to put most of your wealth into housing. This is why it's not easy to just get up and leave if your wife is a bitch. And any weakness imposed upon a man will be abused by the woman.

[–]1independentmale6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is my contention (and obviously Dalrock's too) that no woman can ever respect (or be attracted to long-term) a man that she has the control of threatpoint over.

Absolutely. A married man will put up with far more than a single guy because he has so much more to lose. Women know this and adjust their behavior accordingly once you've said "I do."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

How do you explain this to her? Meaning nearly everyone, especially her, is going to pressure you into getting married. Do you give her TRP truth? Or do you sugarcoat it in some other way?

[–]1independentmale8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Don't share TRP truths with her. Don't even mention TRP. When she inevitably brings up marriage, you say no. That's it.

When my LTR pressed me for why, I put it this way: "Marriage is a legal contract that entitles you to walk at any time, for any reason, and take 2/3rds of my net worth. You're asking me to put everything I've ever worked for at substantial risk. Why would I do that? What's in it for me?"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's basically giving her the red pill truth, don't you think? What did she say after that?

[–]1independentmale9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's basically giving her the red pill truth, don't you think?

Nope. It's a simple fact of family law and divorce proceedings. It has nothing to do with TRP.

What did she say after that?

Typical hamstering:

"I would never do that to you." Baby, I believe you wouldn't do that to me today. Five or ten years down the road, when the love has worn off and I'm just another asshole, you very well might.

"Don't you trust me?" Of course I trust you, but trust isn't enough. I don't sign legal contracts involving hundreds of thousands of dollars with nothing more than trust to safeguard my investment.

"I have as much money as you do. I'd bring an equal amount to the marriage." Even if that were true, I can't risk my future earnings. If my investments continue to perform, what I have tomorrow will be substantially more than what I have today. (I also asked her to add up her net worth. She was short by several hundred grand.)

"What if I sign a prenup?" Prenups don't protect future earnings and can be invalidated during the divorce.

"But, but, but..." I can offer you all of the benefits of marriage without the legal contract. We can live together, love one another, share our lives and grow old together if that's what we decide to do. Signing a marriage contract isn't necessary to do these things.

[–]higher-standards0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Same here, had to break it off shortly after cause she didn't get it.

[–]1independentmale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, she got it. She just thought she could bully you into it anyway.

They'll tell you you're selfish. Is money all you care about? You're clearly afraid of commitment and don't truly love her. If you loved her, you would get married. It's what you're supposed to do. All I hear is "give me my Disney princess wedding and golden parachute! I'm entitled and I want it!!!"

Stay strong and let it all go. It's just hamstering. I'd rather be single, rich and happy than single, broke and miserable to the point of contemplating suicide after another nasty divorce. I've done it once, I learned from my mistake and it's not going to happen again.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

How do you explain this to her?

"I'm not getting married, ever."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

"But whyyyyyy. Don't you love meeeed?"

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

ಠ_ಠ and walk away.

[–]Gnashtaru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol. "Woman. If you really loved me you wouldn't need a ring to know I do too"

[–]Gnashtaru8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea I suppose your right. I actually warned my last girlfriend. I said "eventually I'll seem like I take you for granted. I won't be, but it will seem like it because I don't work as hard at it. I'm just content to know you love me" She took it as a challenge. And actually the relationship failed for an entirely unrelated reason.

I learned that lesson during my last marriage. I deployed to Iraq for a year and thought I had the best marriage you could have. She pretty much did what this video predicted, looking back.
I was gone and I was providing. I'm not even mad anymore. But damn was i initially! :)

I'm at the point now where I just don't consider it worth bothering. Fuck it. if some woman is interested, let her do the work. If not, I don't care. I'm SO much more happy doing whatever the hell I want and just focusing on my kids and my OWN interests. SOME of you guys have No idea. LOL Getting laid isn't worth the effort. Maybe it's just me being older and my hormones are not ruling my mind but yea.


[–]RPL230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

solid knowledge drop, thank you brother. glad to see you back on your feet!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I just expected the relationship to grow and stabilize.

Exact mistake I made.

[–]Gnashtaru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha its the equivalent of falling for the prince charming fairy tale.

[–]isthatyourdaughter 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm already giving my son the bare sugar coated basics of this stuff

Do none of you understand, sugarcoating this shit is what people have done throughout history, and always with the same lackluster results. Teach your sons the full truth.

[–]Cryocasm16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe sugar coating it is important in order to keep his son from running around and just spreading the teachings. The redpill doesn't give you an edge if you lower your SMV by going around talking about stuff that a plugged in society perceives as "sexist" or "misogynistic".

[–]Gnashtaru11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

Oh don't worry I will. He's barely 12 and just starting to be interested in girls. I'm just coming from the viewpoint of self preservation. I don't want himn to grow up being angry at women, or even the way things are. Just understanding things. I guess I shouldn't have used the words sugar coated. I think what I really meant was age appropriate.

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

What happens when a boy is told the truth from the beginning? He decides his father is wrong. TV, movies, friends, and everyone else are repeating the lie. When dad is the lone voice of truth, it is easy just to categorize him as a woman-hater and ignore his crazy advice.

Thanks to the Internet, the honest dad is no longer the lone voice speaking truth. Harder to dismiss when there are thousands of voices, backed up by our own videos, studies, etc. You may want to begin curating a collection of introductory material. 12 may be too young, but there are definitely 14 year-old boys reading TRP.

[–]Gnashtaru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

:). Yep. But I look at it like this. I don't want him to hate women. Falling in love is one of the most amazing things to experience in life. BUT. I am going to make sure he protects himself and gets the most fun I can teach him to.

[–]Cryocasm1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I would still recommend sugar coating it somewhat since at that age a stable society will begin defining it's sex market. It's crucial that he isn't getting bullied in order to have a shot at being topgun. Make sure that he shouldn't act like it's a big secret but just proceed with it on his own.

I'd imagine he's smart enough to proceed this way, and he is most probable to introduce fellow friends to the redpill as they mature years from now. I'm not sure how you're proceeding, but at this early stage you should probably focus more on SMV dynamics and maintaining frame over anything else. I'd also throw in a crash course on oneitis for good measure, but make sure that it's just the concept, don't give him the impression that liking one girl is wrong, but rather that he should be considerate.

Just my 2 cents, but proceed with your teachings as you wish.

[–]Gnashtaru1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

What is SMV? May I ask. Haha. I might sound like a red pill guy but I didn't learn thisstuff here. I learned it the hard way. I don't know the lingo.

[–]Cryocasm1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sexual Market Value.

It's a big bit of subtext of a lot of what's talked about here and interacting with women in general.

[–]Gnashtaru1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ahh. Haha thanks!

So, maybe I should just start a thread, but how does TRP apply to someone who just wants an actual relationship and the sex part is just a bonus? Like an actual real equal level ... well.. blah blah... the dream. The male fairy tale. But with less focus on how hot she is and more on actually holding a conversation with her 30years from now? There has gotta be women out there who actually care about this right!? :)

Hmm. Now that I think about it here's an observation. A lot, LOT, of my closest friends are women. But I'm serious they are real, intelligent friendship type relationships. But I'm thinking that if I dated any of them it wouldn't be so real anymore. That honestly makes me sad. Once sex is thrown in its so much harder to be peers instead of users of each other... I guess that's the right term for it?

[–]rpdoom3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes you have to ease them into it. I've learned, through discussions, that with my friends I can't just throw the full TRP ideology at them because they'll reject it. They aren't prepared for the whole book to be thrown at them; they need little bits of advice here and there. That's where it starts. I have to provide them with little tidbits, let it sink in, and usually they'll return to the topic at a later date. Typically they find the advice useful, and they're curious where I come up with this stuff. Two of my close friends now visit /r/theredpill and blogs like dalrock, etc...

Anecdotal, but this is how I've found it to be most effective. I've definitely scared a few friends from these ideas by throwing everything at them too early.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

I'm at the point now where women can kiss my ass unless they have more to offer than sex.

I'm almost ten years older, also divorced twice, and its damn hard to find women who have something more to offer than a series of moist holes. Sure they are out there, and what I have found is, that is inversely proportional to how hot they are. So many thirsty males giving them everything they ask for they don't need to develop anything more than looks and allow some men to fuck those holes.

Best relationship I had was with a homely skinny chick, but she still had all the same bullshit in her head and did the same jumping ship for the appearance of a higher male. Her life has been a slow motion train wreck since I kicked her out. They make poor choices and emotionally based decisions rather than using logic and reason, even when they are very intelligent.

Don't fall for it again, simply enjoy fucking the hot ones, use dread, and don't buy them a damn thing,

[–]Gnashtaru4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's what bothers me the most... how the hell can any human being, regardless of gender, just not pursue their own passions? I'm completely driven by my love of learning. How the hell can women feel like they have a fulfilling life based on the men they see? Jesus for a waste...

If I realized I measured my value on my mate I'd kill myself. Even before I figured this shit out. Lol. Women are still human beings. Being hot should not interfere with what they value in life and what they are passionate about. Jesus. Society really let them down if that's a learned trait.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck if I know. I've been pursuing my goals and dreams no matter what happens in my life. Some of us are driven, some aren't.

[–]Modredpillschool5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

I might be alone on this one- but instead of looking for qualities that you'd look for in a man (hobbies, good career, etc) you should look for whoever gets your oxytocin doing its thing. A nice wet hole and a great looking rack makes me a happy guy.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do, that's exactly what I do. I had something with her that I never did with anyone else, I'm good with that. Everyone else is not going to fit that well in so many ways, and I don't care. I get lots of pussy, and I have good friends so I'm covered. Having her as both meant my social circle was miniscule, fuck that shit.

[–]veggie_girl0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy


An amazing hormone that is essential for pair bonding. [Source] The lack of it even goes as far to make it impossible for a man to have a serious relationship with a woman he finds unattractive.

[–]Gnashtaru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit!? No. Can't be. (Not sarcasm, but denial lol) I have a lot of amazing female friends who I thought I totally respect. Not kidding. Bit I have also dated or married most of them. Lol. Its just gotta be possible to actually be friends with a woman. No sarcasm here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure they are out there, and what I have found is, that is inversely proportional to how hot they are. So many thirsty males giving them everything they ask for they don't need to develop anything more than looks and allow some men to fuck those holes.

Obviously not universal, but it is so sad how true this statement often is. It's probably one of the largest factors as to why there are no unicorns out there. Women who are incredibly attractive (and I guess men to a lesser extent) bear no onus for improvement in any other capacity than looks. Even the ones who have decent cognitive skills allow them to erode because, why would they ever need them? There will always be men there available to provide. It's why the attributes of intelligence and feminine beauty become more and more exclusive.

[–]AwesomeAngle-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

What about ugly ducklings. Usually they have personality and hotness . Not all women are the same because you got scorned by a few.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You really just used NAWALT? Um, yeah they are the same in many ways, doesn't mean they are like my ex's. I have enough ex's to know how vast the differences can be, and how incredibly similar they are too.

[–]TomHicks0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Leave the country. There are a lot of teaching positions available to Westerners in Asia.

[–]Gnashtaru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know my college professors told me I should be an electronics teacher. But I love my kids. Gotta stick around till they are grown.

[–]fresco55 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

you just have to remember that women are social robots who are easily manipulated. If anything this should just make you think much less of them. It is disappointing to know that they can't make decisions for themselves but it really is super easy to get them to do what you want.

This video was not an eye-opener to me because it's something I've known to be true for a long time, but when I really learned this it didn't make me mad but more sad. Sad because it's almost impossible to find a woman who is an actual person and not a heartless social robot who I manipulated

[–]tylertgbh39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

Phew, I've never been so content with the fact that I'm gay than right now after watching that..

[–]IIHotelYorba38 points39 points  (2 children) | Copy

Was just about to post this to the thread about the dude being pissed his girl used to be wild but isn't with him. It describes the situation perfectly.

On a side note, the in-fields they're doing are getting fucking crazy.

[–]Daell4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, first half of this clip explains that topic very well.

[–]through_a_ways2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was just about to post this to the thread about the dude being pissed his girl used to be wild but isn't with him. It describes the situation perfectly.

Her priorities simply changed, ruler of faeces.

[–]Chinny4daWinny27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Beta: 0:56 Asking her if she's a pole dancer. Her reply "That's not cool"

Alpha: 1:21 Asking her if she's a pole dancer. Her reply "You're awesome. I like you"

Without knowing women I would have been like WTF? How do you explain this? But now it makes sense.

[–]whoops_fap 40 points40 points [recovered] | Copy

Tyler/Owen is the fucking man. I was watching the hot seat videos before I landed on TRP, dude's game is tight as fuck. Recognize.

Beta males will find this infuriating while alphas will be excited by the prospect.

Whole time I was reading No More Mr. Nice Guy I remember thinking "Oh shit." (in horror) followed by "This is amazing" (in relief). I think whether beta or alpha if you are willing to come around you can see how valuable this is.

It means there IS a loop hole that exists, if you're willing to leverage it. And that's fucking awesome.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Owen fan here, too. His videos keep getting better. Watching those females in their primal state is so revealing and entertaining.

Important lesson in watching that dentist dude fail: develop some frickin' game. Having high value is worthwhile, but if you can't project alpha traits such as confidence, you'll still be failing hard with women.

This is why the concept of DHV has significant limitations when you don't have decent game to accompany it. You can come across that try-hard who practically begs to be put in the provider/friend category.

[–]1Sergnb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been a while since I watched Owen's stuff and I agree, wow that was a steep increase in quality. I'm gonna need to catch up.

[–]p3ndulum27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

"You're a dirty whore."

"Haha, you're funny, what's your name??"

"You're such a whore."

"Omg, what's your name!?"

"(Something about peanut butter)."

Tight game is so fucking counterintuitive.

This was a great video. A much softer, easier to swallow explaination of "AF/BB". Makes it hard to deny that it's a real phenomenon when it's caught live and candid.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think of how perverted and "naughty" gay & bi guys are with their female friends and how they get away with it. It's all said within frame. They know the guys are basically giving them shit, whereas a normal dude who says that probably says it attached with lots of baggage.

So if you come off as a sexual non judgmental guy, I definitely think that can work.

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[–]JohnGalt31647 points48 points  (62 children) | Copy

reinforces what i was saying

exactly why i don't ever tell women my job

[–]gohammer335 points36 points  (13 children) | Copy

His job wasn't the reason they put him in the provider bubble, it was his demeanor and body language.

[–]JohnGalt31643 points44 points  (11 children) | Copy

exactly, but if RSD Tyler told them he was a doctor, they would suddenly change the box of what they thought he was.

if i'm out with a girl and making her vagina tingle, she is thinking that i'm just fun and a good temporary thing. nothing wrong with hooking up and never seeing me again.

if i mention i'm a doctor, suddenly she wants to stick around. suddenly she doesn't want me to think she is easy etc etc.

[–]RickAstleyPrevails15 points16 points  (9 children) | Copy

Holy shit. I never realized this before. In a woman's eyes (when first meeting), you're saying I can either only be a player and someone she can have fun with - or, I can only be a provider but not both.
I was under the assumption that if I express having a lucrative career that'd make her want to fuck me more. I never considered she might close her legs for a couple of weeks in order to try and make me chase after her.

Hmmmm.... I need to read more books.

[–]AwesomeAngle-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

I thought guys like a bit of chase

[–]RickAstleyPrevails6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

Ehh, not really. Especially when the girl thinks she is special and deserves special treatment. I'm not going to kiss a girl's ass just to get a piece of it. There are 3 billion other options out there.

Edit: guys, don't downvote her without giving an explanation. That's not cool.

[–]AwesomeAngle-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Difference between special treatment and respect. Dno what girls you meet though. Then again I'm not interested in being someone's piece of flesh with holes. If they sleep with you they're easy if they don't they're asking for special treatment. I hope that's not the Whiney tantrum perspective trp is using. Like attracts like. Some guys want games some guys don't. Girls just want to know that you are into them and just like men sometimes subtle signs are not enough because now friendly and flirting are so interchangeable.

[–]JohnGalt3162 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

how is denying sex from the guy you think would make a great husband respectful?

compare that to the notion that sleeping around with a few hundred guys is considered respecting yourself

don't fall for this BS guys. there are women out there who don't try to harness or control sex in the relationship.

sex is an act of intimacy not to be rationed by anyone in a relationship

[–]AwesomeAngle-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's different when you are having something in your body and whether your are placing something into someone's body. It's inviting someone to your home. Unfortunately girls who are reluctant to be intimate have probably trusted previously only to be used and let down. (Player types I guess you would call them) if you don't have the patience for someone to reestablish a trust then you don't really love the person unconditionally if you're not letting them heal at their own rate. Don't get mad because you can't get past our protective army. Also a difference between someone who makes a great husband and someone who is your husband or promises to be. Don't be mad you can't be a master key to the toughest lock.

[–]JohnGalt3161 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

i got a better example for you

it is like a guy who always pays for the first date when going out with women

he then meets you and refuses to pay. he tells you that he doesn't want you to think he is an ATM and wants to make sure you like him first before he spends a cent.

how would you feel about that? would you happily pay for the next 3 dates to prove your love for him?

[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having a good career is a negative if all you want to do is fuck. I always lie about my job and make out like I don't do anything lucrative.

[–]Truggles14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

This opened my eyes between the provider and player. I was having trouble understanding the differences in treatment between the two, but you just clarified it. Thanks.

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[–]draketton36 points37 points  (12 children) | Copy

"I don't go to college, I'm here to visit a friend" is the best answer you can give

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[–]Heuristics13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy

Doctors don't really get women, they get a woman, they get girlfriends. These girlfriends tend to transform into wives very fast.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Any advice what an actual doctor should say? Torn between dismissing it or accepting it but scared of being framed as dr provider.

[–]Heuristics1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry, i'm not a doctor myself, I just work in a (research) office with loads of them. They all just appear to get married and plop out loads of children.

If I had to take a wild guess at an approach would be to grab their interest by stating the profession and later on just saying the truth regarding what the future plans are.

[–]TheSKSpecial0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You can either dismiss it entirely and say some outrageous shit like "I'm a bank robber", "I'm a gigolo", or "I harvest organs for the black market". Good for a laugh. Or make her guess and then say something crazy. The point is that your answer doesn't let her put you in the "provider frame" to begin with, and you take control of the conversation.

Or you can be honest about your job and just lay it out clear that you're not looking for a relationship (read: not be a provider) right now. If the rest of your game is tight and you're attractive enough you can still get laid pretty easy, but you're running the risk of being dropped in the "beta bux" pile nonetheless.

Give 'em both a shot and go with what works best. And read up on some game stuff (Roosh's, especially) to help your approaches.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really like this. Thanks

[–]jagex_blocks_ur_pass-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wtf? You're a doctor, say it like a fucking badass, you don't have to take shit from anyone

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now a plastic surgeon...that's another story.

[–]Meglomaniac1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If shes a nerd, she would love it.

If shes not, she wont get it and you'll look like an idiot.

I like "male prostitute, Ill cut you a deal"

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[–]gg_s4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because she wasn't really asking that. She was provoking conversation and he failed to take the lead. A flat answer is boring and conveys disinterest. She was unimpressed not with his answer, but the way he answered.

He should have said, "Chemical engineering; my meth is the bomb but I need a dealer, someone who won't draw a lot of attention... [look her up and down] You looking for work?"

[–]Manmore0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This really needs to be understood. Your answer illustrates the meaning of the "external shit doesn't matter" mantra that RSD and it's followers preach.

[–]Mt_Arreat 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

Haha, as a fellow ChemEng major, you'd think they'd be impressed by the salaries offered to graduates, right? It just isn't socially prestigious like a lawyer.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm never talking about my username again.

:'- (

[–]RickAstleyPrevails6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don't understand. Isn't a chemical engineer guaranteed a near 6 figure income after college? Why wouldn't she like hearing this?

[–]_lion_7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

It has a connotation that you are more studios...less fun....a nerd....etc

[–]RickAstleyPrevails5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

God, TRP is fucking interesting.

[–]_lion_3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she is looking for boyfriend material...the chemical engineer is great....but for casual hookups....its different

[–]wazzym3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wait does that really mattter to getting one night stands? But what if I don't want to lie about what I do? also can someone tell more about this beta shaming test and how to avoid them? Where can i read about those...

[–]JohnGalt31614 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

when a woman learns you are funny/charming AND make a lot of money, she doesn't want to be a ONS but your wife.

your career changes her expectations and your chances of getting laid

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Here's another RSD video about beta shaming:


But the idea isn't to avoid it, if you are coming from the right place internally you simply won't be affected by it and will run through this form of shit test.

[–]wazzym1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the link buddy! :)

[–]RAL90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man, thank you for posting this. Didn't know this guy before but his talks are really helpful.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Are you Squating Casanova? Lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, then he'd have to show her a pic of him in a labcoat too hahahaha

[–]redbluepilling1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man you're probably going about it wrong if this is an issue. I have my degree in applied physics (and saying the specialization is a fucking mouthful), but it's just such a non-issue. Might lie/make a joke about what I do first for fun, but either way I just say it, and my frame doesnt change in the slightest. I couldn't care less about talking about it in detail since it could sound like bragging or bore the conversation with dry science-talk. Regardless, I keep on doing what I'm doing and keep things sexually fueled and escalating. In a way, it's part of who I am, the sexy-scientist, but at the same time, it doesn't define me. I am who I am right then and there in front of her. It's only one small facet to who I am, it's treated as just another positive attribute to go along with all the others.

Thinking about it, I've sometimes clarified that I'm not like most and give a smug smile or use that as an excuse to do something a beta-provider wouldn't. I've also sometimes heard 'I wouldn't have guessed that!'--which is the idea.

[–]1mr_throwz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't chemical engineers make pretty good money though?

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I replied with "chemical engineering" and that smile flipped upside down

so just lean in and whisper, "and by that I mean I grow pot"

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[–]JohnGalt3167 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

you should never ever be giving out straight answers for anything anyways

[–]widec10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Honey, where did you put the remote?" "Technically I didn't put it anywhere"

[–]skinisblackmetallic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I'm a Federal Mattress Inspector."

[–]1vs1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm still new to trp, so the way I understand it is when you told the girl you're hitting off well with that you're in chemical engineering, she changed her perception of you to a provider role?

[–]Flargmastaflex2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

As a chemE, you get a variety of impressions, some people think you might as well be a rocket scientist. However, I typically get better responses to "I just got out of jail" or "It's been my dream to be a garbageman" while wearing a suit.

[–]Vioret-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sounds impressive to me...

Am I dumb or something? Is that supposed to be a shitty major?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This didn't occur to me before, because I always thought I had a respectable job. From the woman's point of view, it places me into a certain box.

Really eye-opening.

[–]icanteventhecat3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I tell them I'm a professional grammar Nazi. It's actually half true (editor). They ask me if I'm going to correct their grammar. "Only if you buy me a drink."

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Only if you me a drink buy"

[–]TheSliceman-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

All you have to do is tell them your name, John Galt.

[–]deathbear-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought it was Robert Paulson. Who's John Galt?

[–]1Zackcid42 points43 points  (28 children) | Copy

Tyler reads /r/TheRedPill 100%

This is yet another video where he makes references to the niches we discuss here.

Owen, reply to this comment if you're reading this! It's okay, we won't tell anybody that you frequent the Evil Headquarters of Misogyny-Central. Your public image will remain intact.

[–]1Joelasaur1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If TRP is truth, then it doesn't matter where you discover it right? It should be reproducable with or without this subreddit.

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Correct. What are you getting at?

I'm saying that Tyler comes from a PUA background, which has several differences from TRP. The fact the he accurately mentions terms we use and other things makes me believe he reads this subreddit. Especially since I've been watching his videos for a few years now and it's only suddenly that he's been mentioning these things.

[–]BelievableEscort0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

dude does sell the red pill in large doses but still what a way to make a living.

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[–]1Zackcid6 points7 points  (22 children) | Copy

I always assumed that was a wannabe. I never actually considered him to be the real Tyler.. O_o

I'll check it out.

[–]abcd_z11 points12 points  (21 children) | Copy

I doubt he's the real deal. TD has been a PUA since near the beginning of the movement, and one of the major tenets of PUA is not to judge a woman negatively for being sexually promiscuous. The TD on TRP, however, shows some very classic slut-shaming behavior.

[–]1Zackcid7 points8 points  (20 children) | Copy

I remember a video he released maybe 1 year ago where he laid it out so clearly. He authentically doesn't care about women's sexual past (versus many PUAs pretending not to care). I vibed so well with his ideas, but recent threads in TRP have been slowly making me reconsider my position on sluts. I used to be "Live and let live" and encourage women to have fun while they're young, but I'm not so sure anymore...

Either way, I just check this guy's profile. He's not the real Owen. Maybe he just made that username because he liked the movie Fight Club.

[–]abcd_z7 points8 points  (18 children) | Copy

I used to be "Live and let live" and encourage women to have fun while they're young, but I'm not so sure anymore...

The TRP logic goes something like this: a woman with a promiscuous past is more likely to cheat in the future and/or lose interest in the man. If you want to settle down with a woman, your best odds are with one without a promiscuous past.

Personally I think it makes more sense to just have open relationships with lots of sex, emotional fulfillment, and zero drama, but a lot of guys inevitably want to settle down even though the odds are stacked against them.

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy

I've got the same stance. I don't see myself being in a committed, non-open relationship within the next 20 years. But who knows how I'll be when I'm in my 40s. I do intend on having a kids one day, so I can't scratch it off completely from my list. For LTR, my standards are and will be incredibly high, but I'd be willing to bang a slut who's a 6/10 on a drunk night any day of the week.

[–]abcd_z-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

but I'd be willing to bang a slut who's a 6/10 on a drunk night any day of the week.

Your Madonna/Whore complex is showing. You might want to do something about that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's no contradiction, some women can only be used for sex.

[–]1Zackcid-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Remind me again how banging sluts, yet wanting wife-material woman is a bad thing?

And dude, if this type of lifestyle preference makes me happy, I'm not gonna do shit to change it. Go shame another chump.

[–]abcd_z-3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy

I'd just like to point out that you can have kids and still not be monogamous. Swingers, for example, do it all the time.

EDIT: http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2012/09/09/but-how-would-an-open-marriage-oltr-actually-work/

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

You'd let other men fuck the mother of your kids while you watch!?

[–]TheSKSpecial0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

As long as she's cool with watching the father of her kids fuck other women is there really a problem? That's the point of swinging.

[–]1Zackcid-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, thanks for the link

[–]FrostyGoingHisOwnWay-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, all depends on what you want. If you want to just game easy targets (women who don't really "get" that you're gaming them) then what you end up with is a women who is susceptible to being gamed by any wannabe PUA and probably will jump ship to the next "alpha" at a moments notice.

I don't have anything against that, if that's what you want then great, but obviously this isn't the making of a strong and healthy LTR and it's worth acknowledging that because you're heading for disaster if you fall for any of these women you pick up.

[–]abcd_z1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, all depends on what you want. If you want to just game easy targets (women who don't really "get" that you're gaming them) then what you end up with is a women who is susceptible to being gamed by any wannabe PUA and probably will jump ship to the next "alpha" at a moments notice.

That's not really how that works. Attraction is maintained by a number of different things, one of which is how non-needy you are. The more you chase after her, the less attracted to you she is. The less you need her, the more she wants you. If you're afraid she'll jump ship, she probably will.

Besides, she's free to hook up with whatever alpha she wants. If she comes back to me, great. If she doesn't, I have enough other women in rotation that it's not a big deal.

I don't have anything against that, if that's what you want then great, but obviously this isn't the making of a strong and healthy LTR-

How do you define "strong and healthy LTR"?

and it's worth acknowledging that because you're heading for disaster if you fall for any of these women you pick up.

No I'm not. By following this system I've had emotionally-rewarding, zero-drama relationships that have lasted months to years. The worst I had to deal with was breaking up with my non-monogamous girlfriend of three and a half years after I stopped following my own relationship rules.

[–]redbluepilling1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What Patrice O'Neal did was 'hoe the bitch down' iirc. Promiscuous past? RP man keeps that shit in check. But, Patrice was a next level motherfucker (and they had an openish relationship which focused on her winging and getting threesomes).

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[–]1Zackcid14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Love how he's taking it a step further and actually bringing forth the RP truths to the Hamster itself. I'd be a little embarrassed to mention "provider-male" and alpha male, but he swapped the words a little and made it easier to agree with.

[–]redpillordeadpill10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

The amount of truth in here was almost refreshing to see.

[–]through_a_ways15 points16 points  (10 children) | Copy

Something about Tyler's videos give off a bullshit vibe, even though they're anything but.

Really not trying to bash him or anything, most of his videos are helpful and entertaining, but there's just something about them that also sets off my BS reflex.

[–]vzhu38 points39 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's the fast talking, animated salesman persona that he gives out. I've always been curious whether or not there was such a thing as 'quiet' or more subdued game.

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Check out James Marshall on youtube, great example of low energy game.

[–]deathhand3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

aloof and mysterious is a 'subdued' game.

[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, that's probably it. That, coupled with his slightly higher-than-average voice, I'd say.

[–]vzhu3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's interesting that you point that out. Since he goes on a little bit of a tangent on being undefinable and unpredictable, perhaps he's also trying to come off a little bit bi rather than being completely masculine?

[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe. Personally, not something I'd do.

My voice is probably a bit deeper than average, and I'd realized that it garners some attention/compliments from women. When I artificially make my voice a bit deeper, slower, and more purposeful, the amount of attention I get from women increases noticeably.

[–]Coolfuckingname0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ive got to say, its because he's an angry asshole who spouts so much bullshit that even HE doesnt like himself.

Secondarily, these women seem like the female equivalent of him

Theres nothing on these videos but sad people trying to meet sad people.

These videos made me not angry, but sad for everyone in them.

Just my 2c.


Be a better man, get a great woman, have kids, be happy.

(Also yes I've got an very hot girl, who's highly sexual and adores me. So this isn't jealousy, for the record, its pity.)

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Wow he highlights the RP truths so well just here.. I didn't think it would be that obvious.

[–]Sherlock--Holmes4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's all about speaking with authority as Tyler does. If you speak weak and you're not a leader in the conversation then women will accurately stick you in the non-leader bucket. They want a leader because leaders bring in the bacon. If you can make them laugh it translates to gaining allies in the primitive section of their brains. All evolutionary survival instincts. This is 101.

Incidentally, everything about this video is why I left Miami. Women are fucked in the head there worse than usual. Sure looking back I had hundreds of women and I guess I was pretty good, but that place breeds gold digging fucked up mental bitches.

[–]3trplurker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All cities do this. Humans evolved in small separated tribes. Everything about the females brain is wired for sexual selection amongst a small controlled group of males. What cities do is introduce them to a shit load of males, far more then their brain is designed to process. It instantly cause's them to elevate their own status because, to the female mind, a male that she see's is a male that is available to her. So if a bitch see's a super "alpha" dude walking around, she's instantly going to think she can sleep with him and want to discard her current partner. The "alpha" might not even know she exists and may already have a full soft-harem of girls and zero desire to have this one, makes no difference to her sexual selection.

[–]swaggertank4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Owen is an amazing guy, a role-model.

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We need to get an AMA going with Tyler. Right here at TRP.

[–]abcd_z7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

I felt bad for the guy at the beginning. Tyler was kind of being a dick to him and he just sat there and took it.

[–]1Zackcid15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

But we know that he'll come out twice as strong. These embarrassing failures are usually the best outcomes where you learn and grow the most. He may have lost the battle, but the war certainly isn't over. I think he needed that tough love from Owen.

[–]Dreamtrain1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

He knew what he was signing up to, and taking classes from the master himself. It's more likely in the future he will feel bad many here can't game like he can.

[–]IIHotelYorba-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right. If he was being bootcamped then Tyler was putting him in these situations (very) intentionally to work on his weaknesses. Any coach who doesn't do that is just taking your money and letting you coast.

[–]1Sergnb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

He knew what he was getting into. If he is Tyler's friend he knows his game is tight and he was going to look like a chump in comparison.

Probably accentuated his beta impulses being paired up with him, even.

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[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, even the oldest school pickup involved avoiding getting categorized as a beta/provider/uncool person.

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Tyler Durden is the only bro from the PUA community that I take seriously anymore.

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What is this?

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Experienced it in a previous relationship. Expressed an interest in working out and moving up in my job. "You don't need to do all that! Really, why do you want to? You're fine as you are".

[–]1ThumpNuts7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I come to this subreddit to read about people who have "woken up" or learn about some techniques and basically reinforce and clarify what I have already experienced to be true. Being born with TRP in my veins, I'm not going to hear a lot of things that will "open my eyes," so to speak - but, WOW.

This guy is the fucking truth.

When I first saw this video I thought, "Here is this fucking dweeb Beta intellectualizing about why his friend doesn't get laid. What the fuck does this guy know." But, as with everything, I keep an open mind and I listen to either justify my opinion or change it completely. This guy shattered my expectations.

The part that blew my mind is when he talks about being mad at the Beta shaming. NOT because I get mad at Beta shaming, as a matter of fact, I get really frustrated by the amount of guys around here who hate on women for being women. If you really do not like women, go fuck guys. Newsflash: You are ONE step away from being a homo. Embrace it and get the fuck out of my way -- less competition for me.

MY problem is that I am very quick [too quick] to dismiss a girl that isn't into me. In my mind, if a girl gives me shit about being fresh or being too touchy-feely, I next that bitch. I think, "Oops, you fucked up, girl. Now you don't get my dick." But Tyler opens up a whole new method in my arsenal. He uses it as leverage. Now I can too. Not that I will every time, but it's always good to have options.

Tyler is the real deal.

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[–]1ThumpNuts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. That's why I kept using the word "truth." He isn't being a phony, he's using his tools and techniques in a very straight forward way that plays into his true personality. He a jokester and all, but he doesn't "dumb" himself down when he's interacting with these girls. He stays at a high energy while being an intellectual and has fun with it. AND, he's not using "lines" and "canned" routines. It's all free flowing from the confidence he has in his own REAL strengths. AND, even when he did get angry, he was able to recognize it quickly and riff off of it.

This guy is "in the zone."

[–]hairaware6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you guys actually complaining about women instead of taking away the value from this video.

[–]veritableill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great video

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

that guys so awesome. You immediately know he gets a truckload of pussy. He definitely needs to check out /r/malefashionadvice though, the fit of that suit is horrible.

[–]phattsao44 points45 points  (1 child) | Copy

Apparently he doesn't need to

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Not giving a fuck is a helluva drug.

[–]AdmiralVonJackass18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

He mentioned he was wearing that shitty outfit to prove a point.

[–]Dreamtrain2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And point proven.

[–]rothkochapel2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

towards the end: "if you wanna be a fun guy, you gotta be non-judgemental"

this is what most guys who are new to trp have the most trouble accepting.

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Exactly, I see too many bitter guys around here who hate women for being women. It makes no sense, it's like they want women to act like men even though it's against their hard wired nature. What they should do is accept things for the way they are and work within this system to be successful.

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I would have expected Owen aka Tyler to be more attractive.

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

No need to get defensive. I'm sure he is successful with women. I'm saying that he's not really that physically attractive.

[–]Modredpillschool10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, most guys aren't really that attractive. I'm surprised how hot the chicks I pull are, and I'm rarely as attractive as I know they could get- so, it really is about personality.

In fact- somebody as tuned-in to game as this guy would have to be somebody just ugly enough to learn how to work game. A male model would have terrible game.

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That's what makes it great. If he were incredibly handsome everyone would be saying shit like "oh women only talk to him because he's attractive" and this gets rid of those bullshit excuses.

[–]Dreamtrain-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought that too, first saw him in that video with Eliott Hulse, my first impression of him was "this guy is like a ginger robin williams". Way off.

[–]328472391 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This motherfucker is dedicated

[–]Complecs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I loved that video. Very interesting stuff here, I love how he breaks everything down.

[–]charlesbukowksi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love this guy.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm fully aware of how women are, yet I still find it infuriating. Double-standards is a big pet peeve of mine. It hits the " I will fucking kill you, bitch" spot every damn time..

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Holy shit. To actually see it in action from an outside perspective is fascinating. I'm going to spend a couple weeks just observing instead of engaging in the club/bar environment.

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    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

    Well.. you'll quickly realize the majority of guys out there aren't having fun. And the girls are desperately dancin hoping for the attention of the 5 hottest guys in the room.

    Watching club dynamics is definitely something to do at some point, but that would be after getting some basic game down first.

    If you want to make a game out of it, get a girl and you two have to guess who is gonna approach who next, etc. Can be quite fun.

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    Perfect preparation is a form of procrastination.

    [–]Dreamtrain-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

    You can observe better mid-engage.

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    That's a valid point. I'm actually abstaining from picking up women for a short period while I work on a few internal things. I know what you're thinking, no excuses. I'm working on improving a few sections in my life that are "slumping" and I've found that going into that with a full head of steam and no distractions is what works best.

    [–]1NV0K3R0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

    I've actually done some of this shit inadvertently, go figure. I just like calling pretty girls out on shit though so /shrug.

    What does it make you if you see the beta shaming and just laugh? I didn't feel angry or exciting, I just thought it was fucking hilarious.

    [–]Kloohorn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

    Beta males will find this infuriating while alphas will be excited by the prospect.

    I found the interaction neither infuriating or exciting, I just thought it was hilarious he could easily control their actions.

    [–]FullMetalAsshole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

    I love the RSD Videos and Owens in particular however from what I can remember they tend not to talk about the underlying base for Owens crazy level of game...the fact that he turned his passion (picking up chicks) into a successful and sustainable business (RSD as a hole).

    Yes game is all about practice like any other skill but how much easier for him is it when he is fulfilling his passion through his business everyday?

    Its the subtle difference between Owen and a janitor with an equal level of game. Owen goes home after an unsuccessful night and thinks "Fuck it tomorrow I'm doing what I want anyways" and he walks around like the boss of his own life. The janitor guy could pull 3 10's and have an orgy but the next day hes scrubbing toilets.

    Owen has a lot more freedom in this case because he invested so much not only into himself but also into a career which offers him peace of mind whereas the janitor has a shakier base upon which to build his man empire.

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    [–]taleof0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

    This video frustrated the shit out of me only because I'm an alpha-male at heart, but I made a decision a long time ago to hold myself back from taking advantage of easily/willingly manipulated women, to the point it's caused a lot of bullshit for me, which I willingly accept. (I had many experiences with girls like this, and no matter how hot she is, I can't be bothered to deal with women like this. I need substance, someone who challenges me and my integrity.) I'm well aware of the lying women do, and that it's not to men, but to themselves, the style in which they justify is harmful to themselves and anyone who is in contact with them.

    I've chosen one woman to be with, because she's not like this. She'll still lie to herself from time to time as her natural way of dealing with her insecurity, but the general lie inside of her is getting smaller all the time, as is the desire to use lying to cover up her fear. She's learning to conquer her selfishness, and at the same time, teaching me to be a provider while not having to sacrifice what's true to my alpha heart, and for her, she's opening up her own heart, realizing she's much stronger than she thought she was before.

    [–]LibertarianLibertine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

    I don't see any evidence for the provider/flirt theory. This can easily be explained by the level of confidence the guy shows; which is a basic idea, women love confidence.

    [–]laere0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

    What's the difference between a Lover and a Provider (yes, I understand beta provider).

    How does one become a Lover? Or is it just being funny cool?

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    How does one become a Lover?

    Go Out, Go Out and then Go Out some more.

    No other way but to expose yourself to pickup day in and day out...

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    Tyler's the man. Helped me out so much when I was first starting out and made me gain a massive amount of confidence.

    Plus he's so damn quick on his feet too. Years and years of going out and working out his way of pick up made his short ugly ginger ass into a pretty damn good pick up artist.

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      He was behaving as a provider but his image conveyed that he was a player. They wanted to put him in the beta box and his shirt doesn't fit that archetype so they shamed it.

      [–]IIHotelYorba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

      A shirt that open is just too wild/ballsy for what a safe little provider is "supposed" to do in many people's minds.

      [–]nived321-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

      You can also be alpha with enough cocaine.

      [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (4 children) | Copy

      I think it's more like

      Beta male

      Oh here's this cute sensible smart guy, I'm starting to feel emotionally attached to him. Wait,what? He's actually sleazy?I'm pretty disappointed because I was getting emotionally attached. I'm feeling pretty annoyed now, there's nothing worse than feeling betrayed.

      The alpha male, sleaze comes along.

      Lol,look this guy, he's so emotionally immature. I find the fact that he's so emotionally immature non threatening. I feel empowered and smarter when I'm around him because he's immature.He's very blunt,so I don't need to worry about what he's thinking. I know what I'm getting at least,I could have been hurt emotionally with the beta male. I expect someone less smart to be sleazy and candid. I had higher expectations of the dentist to have proper manners. I am more disappointed in the dentist because he is smarter and should know better.

      This is also my personal opinion. I find those "alpha" male types funny, but that's because I see them as childish. This doesn't actually mean I'm attracted to them, I actually think they're pretty icky. Secondly I don't go to clubs to find guys. Clubs are just a gigantic mating grounds filled with the types of guys I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. If you want to delude yourself that being an idiot will get you women, then do it, go on, add to the idiocracy. I'm sure you'll meet some high quality women.

      [–]arcbound12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

      Every girl says this but they go for the same charming chilidish icky types.

      [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

      The women my brothers date are usually beautiful and sophisticated. My brothers are nerdy, intelligent,very shy and they never brag or care about showing wealth. However women feel very comfortable around them. I don't think what you're saying is true because I don't go for those types and my brothers aren't like that at all. I feel generally very sorry for the men who think that because they're never going to do well. When it comes to women, what's required is kindness but also the respect that comes from knowing she's a strong women. What's wrong is that you & everyone are thinking on a bi polar level. The fact is you can't be too kind and offer everything, because you make her feel like she's weak. At the same time you can't be an asshole because women are sensitive to emotions. Stop this deluded,quick fix mentality, it's not healthy and I don't like seeing it.

      [–]arcbound10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

      5 minutes in your history and you prove everything redpill.


      Tell me more about your brother's amazing, sophisticated girlfriend.

      Tell me more about how you aren't attracted to alpha jerks. But for some reason you can find yourself drawn to a man who asked you out when he was dating someone else. You know he has questionable morals because he dates around in relationships, but now that he's single you are inexplicably drawn to him. Holy balls we got a big hamster here.

      Just 5 minutes and you have proven redpill theory for everyone who sees these posts.

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      Actually I cut him off the second he confessed by rejecting him and pretending to move out of the country -_-' . What I did was pretty selfless, I don't like hurting others. He was a fellow computer scientist and very shy. Not the type to betray others at. When I rejected him,it literately broke his heart, I could see him holding back the tears and shaking. There was nothing I could do, he had a girlfriend and you can't confess to others while you have a girlfriend. I decided to befriend him again after a year only to discover he had joined a number of anti-women rights groups that talked about alpha and beta types constantly. Due to this I decided not to talk to him again, even though I was happy that he was single. In the end there's nothing left but disappointment. Initially I was drawn to speaking to him again but when I discovered his new views, I decided he was no longer healthy for me to be around.

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      You must not know who Tyler or the company he started (RSD) is and how big of an influence they play on the current game community.

      He was in the book The Game alongside Mystery and has been doing this since the old school days and was one of the forefathers of natural game which broke away from all the routine shit and focused on becoming an attractive man rather than using techniques to decieve women into looking like you're attractive. His game along with the other instructors from RSD is insane. I saw them in action in nyc where they were doing bootcamps at Brass Monkey. It's other level shit trust me.

      [–]IshBerkeley-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

      Attractive? He still looks like a balding, short, pasty-white ginger dude with a metrosexual beard maintained to appear masculine. That dude can't get laid.

      ''Don't you even remember the first minutes of the video? How the women behaved one way with Tyler and exactly opposite way with the chump? YOU ARE THAT CHUMP. The only reason you think this is fake because most women have not deemed you worthy enough to do crazy sexual shit. But for natural alphas, this is as ordinary as grabbing milk from the store.''

      Shit here I was thinking that the Man of Steel was a work of fiction but apparently there are godlike beings flying around because there are videos. What a dumbass you are, lol.

      [–]Dreamtrain6 points7 points  (22 children) | Copy

      Because we have seen this exact behavior outside the bars and pubs. With that smart girl you took classes with, a friendly girl you made small talk with at the park walking your dog, that really nice one you got introduced to by a friend/family or maybe a really close trustworthy friend you ended up falling for. Of course, during those times, we couldn't explain at all what hell happpened.

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      Yep it's the same everywhere with every type of girl. If you do both night game and day game you see this with drunk college sluts at bars and high class lawyers and business women in the streets alike.

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      [–]MockingDead14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy

      Your plan seems to be:

      1) Insult everyone, 2) Add nothing of value to the debate 3) Repeat

      You speak of "sales 101", I suspect you couldn't sell ass to a thirsty beta.

      If it's so silly, then why bother to post?

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        He must have been deleted for trolling.


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        [–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

        This sub caught my attention.

        And you have caught the moderator's attention.

        And now you are confined to the role of spectator. Not because of your message, but because you have no fucking manners, and you don't get to act however you please in my house.

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        I don't disagree with any of what you said and yes I sarge most days a week. What's your point though? Who said any of this is new, you are attacking a straw man. Can't you appreciate the message of the video unless it's a new concept?

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        pretty basic concern trolling. where are the mods?

        [–]1raceAround126-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

        I watched alll of that.

        I have a lot to learn

        This'll be fun :D

        [–]major_tom38-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

        Lol that dentist got amoged big time.

        [–]Johnny_Shades-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

        Man I could Mack better than this guy. He sounds like he's trying too hard. I sound like a dick without trying but you can tell this dudes puttin on an act.