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Just over 2 months ago I read No More Mr Nice Guy followed by Book of Pook and recently finished Married Mans Sex Life Primer.

Soon after reading NMMNG I did a one month sex moratorium which ended with a good talk with the wife about sex etc. We talked about our relationship, sex, loyalty etc and I basically told her I need her to fuck me like she wants me to be loyal.

It’s been a month and there has been a lot more sex, about 3 times a week min which is about 3 times more than before. The sex has also been better than before in that she’s putting in more effort. The one thing that’s somewhat lacking is that she rarely gets off or is really wet.

The question I have is this. What are some areas I can work on to get her more worked up? I want her orgasming much more, the sex is just better when she is lit.


[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Have you tried talking to her about her dryness? /s

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually spit out my coffee when I read that.. thanks

Should go on a dry pussy moratorium next.

[–]hack3ge5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This response is the winner...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

100%

[–]BobbyPeru4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you tried talking to her about her dryness?

A long conversation about dryness will surely get her wet.

[–]BlackFire680 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, this is the comment of the week.

[–]im_deadpool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I come to reddit everyday.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahahahahahaha!

How did you make those words sound so sarcastic! PSML

[–]MetalMRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ I was at work drinking water when I read this.

[–]Morpheus_TNTB1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I inhaled some Jonny Walker Black at that comment you scoundrel! 🤣

[–]Senor_Martillo13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you helping around the house? She's probably tired from doing all the laundry and cooking. You need to really focus on the housework, and step up your romance game. Get her flowers, text her at least 3x a day telling her she's beautiful. Make sure she knows she is your one and only. Guaranteed to get her in the mood.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you forgot to add to the list: foot massages, pedicures, Manicures, and comb her weave out

[–]InChargeManRed Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Braid her pussy hair?

[–]ice_walkerHead Negotiator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now I can laugh at this, but a year ago I actually did exactly this...

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I'm pretty sure you're not joking.

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m going to assume those are trap suggestions hah. I generally take care of my own shit. She does a bit more of the chores etc but I bring home about 3x the dough and pay about 60% of the bills.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So, I don't know if u/Senor_Martillo is joking or serious. My guess is serious. If somebody known to the community had posted that response it would be top rated comment for it's hilarity. It is the exact opposite of the right answer, which also happens to be the standard BP approach. Get it?

[–]Senor_Martillo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Look here Mr inchargeman...you probably need to do some chores too. Have you dusted the figurines yet?

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I started doing choreply and kept record of what I did and what she did. Instant wetness. She had to wear a tampon to keep from soaking through to her skirt.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge19 points20 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

“She rarely gets off and isn’t wet”

Because she’s not into YOU. She’s throwing you a bone. Temperary spike.

You haven’t done shit. Sex mototorium is fucking retarded - nmmng fails in that section- relationship discussion is also retarded.

“ sex is better when she is lit”

Yes, because she doesn’t have to cringe when your tiny little needy penis goes in her.

Faggot.

[–]chachaChad6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Dude's right.

She's "letting" you bone her because she's afraid you'll leave not because she's turned on by you. That doesn't make for good sex.

You're 2 months in. Work on yourself. You didn't put up any information about how attractive you are and if you're leading your house. By leading, I do not meaning stomping around like your the alpha in the house who makes everyone crazy with his needy little power plays and childish pouting either.

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think I’m decently attractive, a solid 7.5 and getting better. 6’2” 230lbs down from 250lbs, if I lose another 10/15lbs I think it’ll be the best shape of my life. Currently lifting 3 times a week. I do notice women looking at me now that I’m paying attention. I make good money, have side hustle, hobby... honestly I think I’m a pretty solid catch but definitely not all I could be.

It’s years of bad plays on my part that got me here tho, and I get that.

I’m just not a patient dude...

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off. A solid 7.5? You're 16 and a half fucking stone. You're a fat cunt. If you lose 10-15 lbs you may well be in the best shape of your life, but you'll still be a fat cunt.

If you manage to lose 15lbs and get down to 15% BF or below, different story, but you're fooling yourself if you think any woman wants to fuck a 16.5 stone fat cunt.

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm I will think on this more. When I was you get I was always skinny, over the years I’ve gotten larger mostly from lifting... and eating. For the last 9 months I’ve been sticking pretty close to Keto and intermittent fasting to try and get leaner.

[–]chachaChad3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While you think you're a 7.5 (.5 really?), your wife is bored with you. How could she not be? Marriage is mating in captivity.

The money you make doesn't mean shit. For a couple of years, I was pulling in huge money from my side hustle. Wife liked the money just fine but that didn't result in any more fucking. I bought trips to Europe, fancy weekends away, anything she ever wanted for the house and kids... I mean anything. Just because you make money, doesn't mean she owes you sex.

I think you're still a fat fuck. If there we a group of 17 year old hotties at the pool, would you hesitate to take your shirt off?

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair point.

[–]drty_prRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you aren't a faggot anymore, r/grool comes a calling

[–]markpf730 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So he tried to negotiate her desire? Lube or booze required and no orgasm means you ain't shit!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex mototorium is fucking retarded - nmmng fails in that section

Agreed. This is such as snare and an easy way out for new guys and ego protectors. What they are abstaining from is the hard work of approaching and initiating at home to save themselves the discomfort of dealing with the big bad feelings of rejection, poor dears.

OI,OI,OI

[–]2ndalRed Beret9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Communicating is never the answer.

Your wife is not dumb. She knows what you want. You've told her dozens of times in the past yet she continues to not do it. Lack of information is not the problem. It is lack of motivation and attraction. I will refer to my food analogy which I have used in the past:

One of the first things you need to learn is that communication -- the type that your wife says she wants and needs -- does nothing but exacerbate the problem.

If you stick around long enough you will learn that you can't negotiate desire, and every time you sit down with your wife and do what common sense says and express your needs openly and honestly you are effectively telling her to do something she can only force herself do to appease you. This does nothing for her genuine desire for you. Deep down, she doesn't care what you want--unless there's something in it for her.

I like to use the food analogy. Name a food your wife doesn't like. I'll go with radishes. Let's say for some reason you really wanted your wife to love radishes. It's important to you that she loves them. It makes you feel fulfilled and loved. But she hates them. So you sit her down and explain to her in an open and honest way how important radishes are to you and that her hatred of those red beauties cut like a knife through your heart. Sure, she will listen to you, and maybe even make an attempt to like them to make you happy, but you can tell on her face as she tries to force another one down her own throat that she just doesn't like them--never will like them.

That's how your wife is with sex. She used to be into it with you. Hell, sometimes she is still into it with you. But when she is/was into having deep, passionate sex with you, it wasn't because you told her how important it was to you. She genuinely desired you. And you can tell the goddamn difference, can't you?

MRP is all about fostering that genuine desire. But it takes fucking work. A lot of work. But it's worth it.

I'll never forget one event that eventually led me here. Frequency of sex had never been the problem for me, it was more about the lack of desire and passion.

Like every other man here, I had tried everything under the sun to get my wife to love me the way I wanted to be loved. I'm not going to list all of those things because you know what I am talking about. Anyway, I tried it all. But one time we were on a road trip, and we were listening to the audiobook of The 5 Love Languages. I don't remember whose idea it was to listen to it--could have been me--but that's beside the point.

Anyway, so we're listening to the 5 Love Languages and we get all the way through it. And I was ecstatic! It got me and my wife talking to each other in a way that we had never been talking before. For some reason this book just really connected with us, and we each spent a lot of time talking through the types of things we need to feel loved. And when I was talking about my stuff (this is pre-MRP, remember) I focused on overt displays of love, touching, sex, cuddling, and other mostly vague and polite ways of saying that fucking is what I wanted and needed the most. And you know what? She was receptive! She didn't realize how important that was to me. She knew I liked sex of course, but this book gave her a new way to understand its importance in me feeling truly loved. I was over the moon. I think even the blood was rushing to my dick in anticipation of having the desire-filled sex life I had always dreamed of with my wife but never having the ability to get there. This book was a miracle! We were really communicating--understanding each other!

For the next week, things were on the up and up. We had sex a couple more times than we normally do, and she did her best to open up to me and love me in the ways I told her. After all, I had spilled my guts and given her the exact recipe for making me feel loved. No guessing! All she had to do was follow it. But it's not going to happen overnight, right? There would probably be a slow build, each week building on the desire of the last, growing stronger and stronger while we got closer and closer. Right?

Wrong. We didn't even make it into the next week before things were back to normal. Actually, they were below normal.

What was going on? I had told her what I needed! She is a caring, loving person who wants me to be happy. Why is she not doing it? I was giving it my all, giving her everything she said she needed from me. What was happening?

She was choking on the goddamn radish, my friend.

You can't force your wife desire you just like you can't force her to love radishes. If your wife isn't a complete bitch she may even want to love radishes to make you happy. But it's not going to happen. You have to be the type of man who deserves that level of desire. You can't be a radish anymore.

And then I found this place, and (after at least a year) things actually did start improving. The weird thing was, like George fucking Castanza, I was doing everything I thought you weren't supposed to do! It went against my very being to think and act this way. Years of tip towing and flower buying and chore playing and romantic dinners and everything else, gone.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your wife is not dumb. She knows what you want. You've told her dozens of times in the past yet she continues to not do it. Lack of information is not the problem

So true.

[–]amalgamator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jeeeeeeeeeez - this comment hit me like a 2 ton of bricks. Thanks

[–]innominating7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My wife was always wet when we first got together, before we married and I went full betabux. I stopped working out, went out of my way to not flirt or make her jealous, and supplicated to her every whim. She dried up, go figure, and I thought it was age or kid related, ha.

I haven’t seen a bottle of lube since successfully implementing MRP.

The short answer is be more attractive.

The long answer is lift, lose body fat, develop a cocky funny frame, be a fun and flirty guy, and cultivate passive dread by getting her friends to want to fuck you.

Her cumming is her responsibility, assuming you are lasting 10-15 minutes and have reasonable technique. Read Sex God Method to enhance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Her cumming is her responsibility

I like to whisper that in a woman's ear before we get started.

Works wonders.

[–]OnlyTRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

sarcasm?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, indeed.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not MRP approved, there is no flair beside my name. Take my analysis with a shot of test-cypionate.

We talked about our relationship, sex, loyalty etc and I basically told her I need her to fuck me like she wants me to be loyal.

You talked about your relationship? And sex? So in the 2 months you have been at this you completely miss page 1 paragraph 2 of what we do. Shut the fuck up.

It’s been a month and there has been a lot more sex, about 3 times a week min which is about 3 times more than before.

ya well after you jacked off in the shower for a month and went Rambo because your back teeth were floating In semen, you showed your hand with all that talking. Now there is no way to know if she's fucking you out of genuine desire or fear that her slave will bolt off the Plantation.

The sex has also been better than before in that she’s putting in more effort. The one thing that’s somewhat lacking is that she rarely gets off or is really wet.

Well I guess there is one way to know if she's fucking you out of desire or fear. A sandy vagina is a dead give away.

The question I have is this. What are some areas I can work on to get her more worked up? I want her orgasming much more, the sex is just better when she is lit.

Just do this:

Suck less. Work out more. Shut the fuck up. Be attractive, don't be unattractive. Spend more time AWAY from her. Be less butthurt. Don't complain. Feed your mind with actual Knoledge not Netflix. Earn more money.

And Most importantly, LEAD.

And own your shit!

I have made the same mistakes as you.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Use lube.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bull doesn’t complain that the cow isn’t wet..

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The man wants answers, I give him a solution. The real answer is to get in shape, but we know most people on here are LARPing along anyway.

I mean really... "sex moratoriums"... Seriously, look at this - "I basically told her I need her to fuck me like she wants me to be loyal." <-- Did we just negotiate desire? It sure sounds like it. Dude hasn't read Rollo yet.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.. he just got the tip in... although he says he read mmslp. I don’t believe him.

Nmmng didn’t really help me at all.
The only value is that nice guys aren’t nice at all, but really passive agrresive, dishonest, needy, clingy, low self esteem, and faggots.

If he read mmslp he wouldn’t have gone on a sex moratorium nor discussed feelzings with her. That was the first book I found and was like getting hit by a 2x2. Game changer. Introduced me to Game.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Her orgasm is not your responsibility.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your right, it's mine.

[–]dcapt462 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Move on to Sex God Method. Now that you have negotiated with her to let you fuck her you need to make the next part happen.

Dominance, Emotion, Variety, Immersion

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We talked about our relationship, sex, loyalty etc and I basically told her I need her to fuck me like she wants me to be loyal.

If you stick around, you will find out that this is exactly the wrong thing to do. You need to STFU while reading the sidebar.

[–]ice_walkerHead Negotiator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I concur. I did exactly that mistake in the beginning, talked way too much. It's not necesarrily about talking less, but it's about how and what is being said. Also remember that communication ≠ talking.

[–]pridebrah2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We talked about our relationship, sex, loyalty etc and I basically told her I need her to fuck me like she wants me to be loyal.

Man....

Talking about your sex woes overtly is the fastest way to turn a bitch in the Sahara. Have you read anything? I'm guessing no.

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ultimately we talked because I was and still somewhat am willing to move on. Your right tho.

[–]hack3ge1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post was oddly pertinent to me and I was working through part of this myself right now. I posted a FR where my wife finally decided to come around (not literally - more on that in a minute) you can check that out for back story.

I've been escalating the implementation of SGM each day since this started - I got 1 hard no so we've fucked 5 out of the last 6 days. I've mostly been increasing dominance - thought I was going to damn near rip her head off pulling her hair the other night. All in all each session is probably like 15-20 minutes and while its going on she is fucking going nuts and crazy during it not starfish. She is talking dirty now, enjoying me calling her my slut and goes crazy when I say she doesn't get to cum until I tell her. She came the first 2 sessions and keeps getting really close but she seems all up in her head about it and is so focused on it that she can't relax - is this the immersion part that I am missing of DEVI? A few other guys told me this is the hardest part because its not entirely yours to own. I know its not physical because she is dripping wet the entire time and rubs my abs, lats and arms and has been clawing me.

The last few sessions I've been cave manning her and not giving a fuck about getting her off (the old me would do that to the detriment of my own enjoyment - sex is way more fun this way). What I've run into is the last two times I finished and she got huffy and is like that is why this isn't working (she likes to make excuses in her head why our marriage is never going to work - been a recurring theme for a while). I've mostly ignored it, then kissed her on the forehead and told her she was amazing (she is making an effort so I want to reinforce that behavior). I've learned to listen to her actions not her words and she keeps fucking me every night so clearly its not bothering her that much.

I've read that her orgasm is not my responsibility, but I also right now know I'm clearly just getting sex from dread/fear and not an innate desire on her part because I keep getting shit tested and LMR for at least 10 minutes while escalating and she isn't initiating herself. I personally don't give a fuck if she doesn't get off and I know I can't negotiate desire so thats not really my question.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being a fucking autist and missing something obvious because there's a lot of content in the sidebar - if not I'll just keep fucking her how I want and hope she comes around.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a woman that wants to cum will just finger herself, so she can go with you

[–]thunderbeyond0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

More info needed. Was she wet before the moratorium?

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No but she was really wet the first week after...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are some diseases that cause dry mucous membranes. However, in addition to a dry pussy, dry eyes and dry mouth are symptoms. I put this out there for others, as I don't believe this is the case for you.

Your negotiated sex is an attraction killer as well as your keeping score of her orgasms. You talked a lot about sex with her, but what actions have you done to attract her and prep her for sex? Kino is the word for keeping your relationship sexual and fun.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It sure as fuck won't be from talking to her

How about dread, game, flirting, wardrobe, working out ?

Do you lift ?

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just read about dread, I need to learn more about game. Wardrobe is pretty decent and yes I lift...

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What is your game for foreplay ? How long ? Massage ?

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It really depends on the session and her interest level. Massage is pretty rare. I like the foreplay to last about 10-15 minutes although I do struggle to keep it interesting that long...

[–]JDRoedellRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was sarcasm. Massage shouldn’t even enter the foreplay picture. At least not for you and not yet

[–]JDRoedellRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy hell... just stop and keep reading. You’re like Bob in this scene right now. Put the gun back on the table

Where does it say to talk about sex to the wife? There are times and places for it in some situations but you are not there.

[–]thatboyjeff0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you attractive?

[–]suprathepeg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I think so. I get how in the context of my marriage I haven’t been but in the open market I know I get attention from women. Honestly in the past I’ve never paid attention since starting TRP I’m seeing it.

I really need to work on game, this is where I know I’d be stumbling the most if I found myself single tomorrow and I get how that matters in the relationship.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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