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I'm not really sure why, but I seem to have lost all interest in women.

I have a tinder account with 20 matches and 50+ likes. I've messaged a couple of them. But I'm just not interested. Right now I should be trying to set up a date, move things forward. But I'm not.

I'm not sure exactly why.

My most recent gf ex contacted me a couple weeks ago. I think she was trying to rekindle something after I broke things off. I'm not really even interested.

Why ?

I think the issue is that I've lost my Disney view of relationships. And now a relationship doesn't really have any value to me. Why do I need a woman ? More precisely, what is a woman going to do for me ? What value will she add to my life ?

I guess I just don't see the need or the want for that matter. It is kinda shocking to come to this place because all my life prior to RP I chased women. I needed women. I was rarely not in a relationship. And now that I see things for what they are, I can't be bothered to be in a relationship. Relationships used to be about me working my ass off to please them. Because I needed the woman's validation. But I don't anymore. So now what ?

I'm not sure what to say or do about this. Is it a phase I'm going through ? Am I going to meet some woman that blows my socks off ? Because right now all I see are women with agendas. Biffault's law. AWALT, right ?

I guess that is the problem with my Tinder matches. I'm supposed to pursue and chase them. But I look at their profiles or send a few messages and I'm at a loss as to why I need the woman. I'm not in the MGTOW camp by any means, but I'm also not interested in jumping through hoops these days.

Has anyone else gone through this ?


[–]madali027 points28 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Its 2018 man, if you wanna suck dick, just suck dick.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Quit being a faggot and go suck some cock

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Up the Tren.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Quit being a faggot and go suck some cock

Nice Louis reference

But I think it’s “quit being a faggot and suck that dick. That’s what I’d tell him.”

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for following up on that. Boy, do I have egg on my face...

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I probably do since I’ve seen it about 10 times

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It’s a life phase.

And, what if it was a gift?

Lost interest in women?

Become interested in yourself.

Mind. Body. Spirit.

Are you the man of YOUR dreams?

Are you everything YOU want to be?

In all of your interactions with women, what is the greatest common denominator?

You.

Now, figure out what you SHOULD be doing instead of mental masturbation on dating apps.

Time to swipe right on your life.

It’s a gift.

Accept it.

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So much this. You are looking for a woman to add value to your life. Stop that. Become a high value man and they will be drawn to you.

[–]mundocorde0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Time to swipe right on your life.

Yeah! Nice comment!

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Steve should emulate this guy.

"Swipe swipe swipe swipe. Ahhhh, the yellow face! It burns my tinder!"

[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

damn that was super funny. pull her eye out and skull fuck her

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Smells kinda gamy in here."

[–]mrpthrowa11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Another validation seeking post disguised as a self concern puke by Steve.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nailed it

[–]screechhaterRed Beret9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So fucking funny.

My youngest just turned 13, my anniversary is coming up, SO is too stressed to fuck but wanting to fight constamtly or show how valuable outside of the bedroom trying to crush me imto her frame.

Its the fucking journey man. It has nothing to do with Testosterone levels.

At some point, you can literally stand outside your body and watch the manipiltion, hamster and emotionsal manipulation just go and go. Its pretty fucking anzing the disconnect

I literally am just in a “zone of owning my shit” and the SO is just baggage. She has spent so much time talking to unhappy cunts, she wants to be one too. She can have it.

Congrats. You are living in your own cast ironed frame. Its amazing what understanding of this being your life truly is.

The other day SO says “all you do is judge me all the time “ with water works “You clean and slam shit around....”.

“Uh huh. That actually is what cleaning sounds like. It has to be done whether you are in this home or not.” mouth open, tears pouring out Ten fucks not given or allowed to ooze out.

She is still trying to understand how her pussy should be comtrolling me and i should be mad from rejections

At some point many here, will reach the level of “mission critical” and understand the callousness of your frame in making you first. Its not about pod casts and others advice or voices, its embracing taking care of you and your needs first, then employing the FO if in fact they add value.

In your case, you are just burned out from being manipulated and still learning to live in your frame on your terms.

[–]Chahhhles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This right here

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

She is still trying to understand how her pussy should be comtrolling me and i should be mad from rejections

I know. I used to be addicted to the affection of a woman. Now I'm indifferent.

The women on Tinder put up a profile and I'm supposed to chase. Chase what ? What am I chasing ? Your vagina ? The hell with gaming them for sex. I want to know how what else they are bringing to the table. How smart are they ? Cool hobbies ? Neat profession ? Good first officer material ? Every woman in the world has a vagina. I want more. A lot more if she is going to be in my life.

[–]wekacuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you know what you want? Or are you looking for someone to show you something you'll then realize is what you want?

[–]suhurley12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Has anyone else gone through this?

Yes. Virtually everyone over at /r/mgtow

[–]BobbyPeru10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re probably just going through a phase, and you’re being a drama Queen about it.

Take a break, but never stop day gaming.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Drama queen ...”

Now that's funny shit.

Agreed. Needs a break. fucking plates will help.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because right now all I see are women with agendas.

What, do you not have an agenda? You just get into a relationship for selfless reasons because you're a doormat or something? Sounds like you're still angry; defensively rejecting women, maybe subconsciouly, because deep down you're scared of how they might play you. But we all have agendas. Play or be played.

but I'm also not interested in jumping through hoops these days

Once you get out of the anger phase, you'll see it less like a chore and more like a dance. When you don't give a fuck about the outcome, chasing pussy is just plain fun. It's called "game" for a reason.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Steve, I want to say you have it. Yet there are some validation things said that concern me. For one you have to mention you Tinder account and your ex GF.

Still I can absolutely relate to where you are. /u/screechhater has it. Sometimes women just want to exist in emotion. Bad good. It really doesn't matter. Yet here is the bridge you have yet to cross.

You have to enjoy it. Why should their agenda matter? Men have an agenda.

Men want sex. Women want relationships.

Where we intersect is where the fun is. Take a look at your Tinder. I am willing to bet everyone of those girls have no problem immediately saying. "I am looking for a relationship" or some version of. AND I am willing to bet they flat out say it in their profile. To a man? How insulting. How dare you ask me for a relationship BEFORE I even find out if you are someone I want to be around!

Well it's the same level of shock women get when we say...."so when do we fuck?"

That's all it is. Each of us looking out for ourselves and trying to get our needs and goals meet. yet this is the moment you move forward. Get back to that moment where it is fun despite what they want. We all want the something at the end of it all.

I think you are slowly starting to get it.

UPDATE: I see /u/FF0000_captain posted damn near the same thing. Well I spent the time so my comment remains. Mostly to show that it's all bullshit in the end and there is universal truth here that all men get to.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I still see a lot of ego in Steve's post. It's more than just the validation seeking - he lacks a purpose.

[–]RuleZeroDADRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He wants us to tell him he's right and............

[–]thunderbeyond2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Have you worked out your mission?

If so, surely women were only a part of that.

You should take this time of your life to concentrate on the other parts of your life that are important to you

It's an opportunity.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That is kinda what I think. It is a bit scary because I don't want to become "that guy" that has eshewed women. And yet ... ?

Maybe I've been listening to Tom Leykis too much ?

https://youtu.be/iTr0X0Z6NI4

This is very interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8e4vth/hamster_pushed_for_divorce_then_became_jealous/

[–]nastynickdrRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Read the MAP book from athol Kay and way of the superior man.

You need to draw your MAP, set objectives, goals, define your mission. Women will come and go, and If they arent supporting your mission/adding value to your life, she should be gone.

You used to make women your mission and that sucks, since you cant control what other people do. Its a mentality change and It may take a while to fully settle in your mind.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's your mission? What's your goal in life?

Mine is to build intimate relationships and gain new experiences.

I ask myself 'how will this add to that?'

It can be specific or broad. It can evolve over time or change 180 degrees. But if you're not moving towards a mission, you're not progressing.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Come here to say this.

The only thing I'd tweak is 'women aren't the mission'. I know it seems pedantic but it's true. They can support it, they can add to it, but they are never part of it. Only you own the mission.

We see this play out all the time. Our hero figures out all the codes like it's Xbox, and suddenly the game is not fun anymore. That's because he thought the game was the mission.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Because right now all I see myself as a victim are women with agendas. Biffault's law. AWALT, right ?

pathetic Steve. everyone has an agenda dumbfuck. you have not had a hard enough life if this is occupying your bandwidth.

more white women for the rest of us.

i like big buts and cannot lie is all i need to know

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

fucker. now that song is in my head.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

good. it really never leaves mine because i like a little junk in the trunk all day long

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I like a good tight squat ass.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

jiggle

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

have an upvote

[–]izual191 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you have arrived too me. Instead of trying hard and reeking of desperation, try putting just the slightest amount of effort into gaming and let the interested ones chase you. They are much mote interesting when they are trying to fuck you.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you had of put one more question mark there would have been 10.

Let's just say I am a little disappointed.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Steve. You still have the pussy on a pedestal man. And this post proves it.

You obsess over past women, current and future.

Give less fucks man. Work on you for a change. Are you still in the divorce process? That shit is emotionally draining I am sure.

Find a mens group. Shoot guns. Do something manly. One week you are good, the next week you puke.

Stop letting sex and women be the center of your life. Pay for escorts if you have to for a while. ECCIE it up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

low T

go see a doctor. your whole life will go to shit without that fire burning. it won't just be women you lose interest in. it'll be life itself.

[–]PunkSmell1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I had a physical in March. My T is fine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

then i'm out of ideas

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did they give you the total and free testosterone levels? Doctors don't give a fuck, the reference range could be 350 - 1200 and you could be at 420 and experiencing symptoms and they just tell you it's all good.

If you don't want to fuck anymore something is wrong.

I can see how a guy can be frustrated with sexual strategy and all the bullshit that comes leaking out of vaginas but not wanting to fuck is a real indication something is wrong.

Get the free and total T levels and seek out an endocrinologist that treats symptoms, not some fucking number.

Or even better, run a steroid cycle and see how you feel. Spoiler alert, you will feel fucking fantastic and stay on test forever.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let the hate flow through you

[–]broneilbro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm there with you bud. I have been reading Rollo and now I am thinking like you. I think the biggest thing is the realization that the Disney view on love is bullshit. Rollo's talk about how women will never love who you are but what you are is what is evolving my viewpoint. It hit hard as I was just agreeing with him and saying "shit..." as I read the book.

I won't go mgtow but it really has me seeing women for what they are as my wife and I have been going through some difficulties. Now I know she is going through her epiphany phase and know how to approach it, and honestly I have been a drunken Captain.

I wrote down in my RM all the girls I have dated and wrote why now I see why it didn't work out. I pedestalized and idealized them within my mind expecting them to love me how I wanted them to. That is the wrong mindset and a reason why I had many of them and honestly not really "fair" in the sense I wanted them to be something they weren't.

There was a bunch of BP puke within the years but now that I am starting to see what is around me and the male/female interaction I know how to work within the system and not be played by it.

As for you, take a break cool off and yet still pursue the game. Or go gay if you want...

[–]bsutansaltRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in the same boat. I've only met one woman I was interested in going on 9 months to a year now best i can recall. I've deleted all my dating apps and just stick to my local bar when I do go out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Welcome to the new age. I would delete Tinder. Go monk for a month and then go out and meet women in a more organic way.

When you turn something into a video game,you're bound to burn out.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

funny thing is he's been monk mode for months now. It's still primarily validation seeking behavior he's engaged in. Though I want to think that this is the first that it's coming to his realization.

Time will tell.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Am I going to meet some woman that blows my socks off ?

But you said your Disney view was dead? Think about it...in a world where everyone is using whatever tactics they can to get what they want...do you think there's a woman out there that is going to come into your life and do everything you want and be everything you want for your benefit? No man. Can you lead a percentage to that? Yeah. But, just like anything else that's "worth it", you are going to have to put in the work. Don't think it's worth it? Then don't do it. But make sure that's really not part of your mission...and it's not just some excuse you're telling yourself.

[–]ArticulateSavage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the issue is that I've lost my Disney view of relationships. And now a relationship doesn't really have any value to me. Why do I need a woman ? More precisely, what is a woman going to do for me ? What value will she add to my life ?

If it flies, floats, or fucks... it's cheaper to rent, amigo.

[–]RedPillCoach0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try this Reddit:

/r/whereareallthegoodmen

for a belly full of laughs but don't expect it to help your current attitude.

[–]DanG3-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations! You have arrived! You are The Prize. Correct, Tinder, etc is shit. YOU are the one to be perused, not them. Carry on. Enjoy the bounty - and the booty.

[–]meaningintragedy-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you read a lot of r/MGTOW recently? The same thing happened to me after I started reading it daily. I am running out of plates and I can't even feel the urge to approach, I just beat the meat when I am horny.

[–]rp_findingmyway-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep on with your mission. Keep on doing fun shit. The right woman will eventually come around. Trying too hard to find her (on socials, etc.) may be the problem.

I've got another month before I'm moved out and have my freedom. I've got road adventures and out of country trips planned. Solo. If I meet a woman along the way great. Don't care and certainly not stressed about it. Want to experience life and meet more people and just have fun. Maybe I'm just jaded after 20 years of marriage, the last year of which has been a shitshow, but if a woman insisted on accompanying me, I'd probably just decide to stay home.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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