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Have you guys noticed a difference when dating girls who rode the CC vs girls who are in the mid to late 20s and has never rode the CC. This topic came to mind cause one time I approched a HB8 who only got her first boyfriend at age 23, she was 24 when I approached her, she told me her parents are super strict so she hasn't dated much, I'm pretty sure that her bf is the first person she's ever dated.


[–]PepinoSF144 points145 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They count only the ones they want to count. The rest doesn't counts.

Once a plate told me - one night stands doesnt count to the mileage.

[–]millioneuroextreme69 points70 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hamstering 100

[–]awalt_cupcake72 points73 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Second this. I banged a girl who had a fiance going on 3 or 4 years? It didn't count because "she never came". I'm really good with my hands and can make any girl cum but she was the first to literally pull my hand out because she was about to and didn't want it to count. Same during sex. When she was about to climax we had to stop so it wasn't cheating.

Girls are weird.

[–]SnivelingCoward9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I fucked a girl and didnt cum before, in a way it feels like we didnt even have sex. But to deny it altogether, is delusional af.

[–]awalt_cupcake2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

in a way it feels like we didnt even have sex.

Thanks to the red pill I've fucked plenty of girls. But one time I hit a dry spell and started counting up the girls I had been with to give me a confidence boost and had a hell of a time trying to remember them because I'd completely remember a one night memory or a short fling and I was shocked to learn I had completely forgotten any of those nights ever existed.

It showed me the true value of sex. It's an old quip but it really is like air in a way. When you're not getting air that's the only time it matters. Feels the same for sex but it's all in your head.

Just an anecdote.

[–]omega_dawg9341 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

one of the hardest things a man has to accept about women is the fact that in a woman's mind, some sex acts do not count.

this is not a joke.

to them, it really, REALLY doesn't count. you may laugh at this, but women discount sex acts for various reasons; so when they give you a body count number, it's THEIR truth but it's not THE truth.

i've heard:

  1. he didn't cum.
  2. he didn't cum inside me.
  3. it was only oral... or only anal.
  4. i was on my period.
  5. it was just a blowjob... or handjob.
  6. he went inside me but he had a condom on.
  7. i don't really care about him.
  8. there was no emotion involved... just a fuck. get over it.
  9. it kept slipping out.
  10. his unit was very small.
  11. it didn't last very long; so it doesn't matter.
  12. on and on and on...

this shit makes me laugh, and it's hard to comprehend, but fellas... it's REAL in their world to not count real sex acts. just remember, if her mouth is moving, and there's no cock in it, she's telling lies.

[–]knuglets6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why I tell girls that say they have a boyfriend... "It's not cheating if I wash my dick thoroughly afterwards."

[–]piratelostboi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

To me it only doesn't count if I was raped.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

unfortunately, that counts to some people too.

[–]2SirKolbath225 points226 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You listened to what she said?!

Oh no. Nono, son. We don’t ever do that.

[–]sixseven8928 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]2SirKolbath2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually thought about linking that very clip!

[–]downvotesanimals8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cringed at the naivety.

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A friend of mine said this girl I used to go to school with said she fucked like 15 dudes and she was 18/19 at the time. I'm gonna use the 3x rule with her. Just to think some guy will marry her one day and get ripped apart.

[–]Cazken37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk man it’s kinda stupid to multiply by 3 after a certain point. I mean, you either admit you’re a slut or you lie and make it seem like you’re not a slut. Going with the “slut but not very slut” option doesn’t make much sense.

[–]Pomskey-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

‘After a certain point’ ahahhahahahahhahahaha and where is that point, friendo?

[–]MCFiletMignon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeh lol the price to pay is just too high.

I always listen, though. I just assume they are lying or don't actually understand what they mean themselves.

You might be surprised what happens when a woman notices that you actually remembered what nonsense she spouted. Makes them a bit more conscious, gets them to think more about what they say, makes them say less. Everybody wins :)

[–]Casanova-Quinn72 points73 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

so she hasn't dated much

Pay attention to how that's worded. "Dating" does not mean she hasn't been fucking. She could have fucked 30 guys without "dating" them. Not to mention girls will say certain sexual encounters "don't count".

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If a girl doesn't date and says she needs time on her own- does that generally speaking mean she is riding the CC?

[–]downvotesanimals1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

GodDAMN how is OP deluding himself like this...

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (17 children) | Copy Link

I had a girl like that. Only 1 relationship ever at the age of 23. She sucked dick like a pro. Clearly she had a lot more 'practice' than she let on.

[–]KinkysMT46 points47 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The two things are not related. My first fwb was a virgin and gave me for many years some of the best bj I ever had (plus the fact she would not stop and give up till I came, which sometimes took a long time). She loved me and wanted to be exclusive with me for many years, but I never wanted that. My first gf was a slut but I was the first that she gave a blowjob. She was so bad in the beginning (using teeth and stuff), but I trained her for about 4 longs years and now she sucks like a pro. She is now out there slutting it up on tinder (her admission), so I did a great job for my fellow men out there.

Had many ons with promiscuous girls who were so bad at sucking and just at sex in general.

I actually think is the opposite: sluts don't have to improve their sex skills because they can just jump from dick to dick and enjoy getting fucked, while at the same time provide almost no value in bed besides their holes.

Furthermore, girls who have a low n-count, had time to experiment and get better with their bf over the years. If the bf was a cool guy he teach them the right way too, making them great women in bed.

That's my experience so far.

[–]Lightning147 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Any tips on training a girl to give better head? I had a 2 year LTR that gave decent head. We continued to fuck on occasion for another year after that. Somewhere along the way she found another dude that taught her how to give fantastic fucking head far better than I ever did.

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this has worked with 2 LTRs for sure - neither was good a giving head at first. The 'technique' is where I introduced watching porn together.

1) when on a road trip (visiting a friend, vaca, wedding trip) you know what hotel you're staying at

2) check out their movie selections, do 5 min of research on which has BJ scenes

3) I've found you can get ASD to lessen when on trips in hotels - gives them a freedom to be sluttier (some don't need help, yes, yes, but for some it helps put them at ease)

4) flirt and mention how back in the room you have a surprise, a fantasy, etc. Then put it on and mention how you'd like to try some of the stuff they "may do" in this movie. at the BJ scenes. pause it, talk about the actress' technique, what you do and don't like about it.

AFter a movie or 3, she'll get it. then during normal/other sessions: give positive feedback and encouragement, talk dirty getting her turned on, etc.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear22255 points56 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they do that. Often. Your perception of them changes when you think they have a low n count and they know that instinctively. It’s why we multiply the number they give you times 3 to get a more accurate n count.

[–]sexykavu71 points72 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, their level of skill doesn't neccesarily indicate a high n count. I've found that many high n count girls werent that great at giving head or even sex, while girls that primarily dated one guy at a time were hella skilled. Two people comfortable in their sexuality can really hone one another's skills, far more than sleeping around will do

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah best head I ever had came from a girl who had only had 1 previous ltr, and basically had spent 8 months blowing the guy before they got more physical, so her skills were pretty goddamn honed

Tbf it's worth noting this was about 15 years ago, when the dating market was incredibly different

[–]Tidalnightmare3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol, it wasn't different mate.

[–]wakewakew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

social media and validation :/

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Doesn’t mean she learned on multiple people. One guy could have taught her well.

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

It was a 6 month relationship years ago. You don't get/stay that good after that long.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, no you don’t.

[–]dani0984 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know. When I lost my virginity at 24 the girl I was with who is actually older than me, asked How I was so good. Lol

[–]i-am-the-prize4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I knew 2 girls in highschool, friends, not my GF's who were "virgins" by choice but sucked more dick than a pornstar.

they rationalized it openly.

so she may have been telling the truth. never know, shouldn't matter, don't care, have fun.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a good strategy to keep the guy who took the v card

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tbf I've dated catholic girls who were technical virgins, but also anal/oral pros, so maybe this was one of those situations

[–]L0nerizm18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

to be honest not as many as this sub makes it out to be. But I'm prolly gona get crucified for saying that

[–]Iticip7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’d like to believe this. What makes you say that?

[–]CasaDeFranco10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The guys here spin plates, they tend to spend more time with sluts than most men.

The truth is somewhere in between.

[–]dukes19987 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you’re spinning plates and picking up bar sluts it’s no coincidence you’re going to think every girl you meet is a whore.

[–]mrrooftops16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes virgin girls saving themselves for 'the one' will do it in the ass and still claim totally virgin

[–]Binder20116 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poophole loophole lol

[–]andyturbo2000 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Christians are the same.

[–]mrrooftops1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All 'religions' are the same in this regard, doesn't need to be mentioned.

[–]redpilllogin12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most women in Western cultures ride the carousel.

Dating and fucking are different things my friend.

One of my plates had only had two boyfriends at age 24 but had sex with "15"(multiply by 3) men.

[–]0io-20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's probably fewer than 10% of women have never had a boyfriend or a sexual relationship by their mid-twenties. Maybe half of those are cute.

These women are probably shy, introverted, live with their parents. They might care for their elderly relatives or be serious students who don't go out much.

They exist, but you're not likely to find them because they make themselves invisible. You won't find her on Tinder. Might be able to meet her through one of her relatives or something. "How come Cinderella never goes on a date? We should introduce her to Billy or Chad."

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Edit: Carousel riders with crazy-high N-counts are probably also 10 percent. Carousel riders with a body count above 4 by mid twenties are about 60 percent.

So depending on how you want to define it, by age 25 maybe 10% of women are virgins (half of those are probably perma-virgins), and another 20% are N-count < 3.

So about 60% of women are carousel riders by mid-twenties. By the time you're looking at unmarried women in their mid-thirties who have ever been on a date, logic dictates it must be a lot higher. (Some women are late bloomers.)

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Edit2: You might find some women who just got divorced or widowed after marrying very young with a low N-Count.

If she's a "normal girl" who's been out on dates at all with guys she's presumably a carousel rider.

Edit 3: Slate has a "number of sexual partners" calculator, you can probably safely assume that the women are answering with "girl numbers" and multiply their counts by 3.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/moneybox/2015/05/sex_history_calculator_is_your_number_of_sexual_partners_low_average_or.html

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great comment

[–]hot_soup1926 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

delay correlates with

  1. high IQ

  2. introversion

  3. strong father

but really once they get broken in they become whores

the other thing that keeps the n count down is LTRs. if a girl gets into one for a few years, it's possible that she only gets out of it via branch swing.

however, 23 year old, own place, single for a year? 5 dicks have been in her that year

[–]awalt_cupcake16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

5? That's low.

[–]Xilent_Lions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exaxtly, seeing one right now

[–]nester7913 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm currently dating a married woman who is from an Asian country where no one has sex (at least not 20 years ago) because it's so taboo before marriage (birth control, condoms, and abortions are not very widely advertised there).

She had a bf in college and the most they did was he fingered her. She moved to America where she met her husband and he was her first sexual partner. He doesn't really know what he's doing in bed according to her and I'm her second guy she's been with. She had no idea how to give head or ride a man or anything about sex.

Fast forward a few months later after we fuck on the regular - she knows exactly how to deepthroat and ride. She's amazing.

Women learn fast.

[–]strengthenics10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where does one find a married woman like this? Asking for a friend..

[–]nester794 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Met her at work. Don't work in the same place now.

Going on for almost 6 years. She's as close to a unicorn as it comes but RP rules apply.

[–]Greaterbird2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try your friend's wife

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Listens and actually believes her words

Black panther: We don't do that here

[–]Nergaal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she admitted to 1, likely she has had at least 3x that.

[–]WearDoWeGoNow3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

FWIW, a good percentage of women learn to give great oral as an alternative to having vaginal sex so that they can claim to still be virginal.

[–]boom_bostic3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like she’s got you right where she wants you.

[–]NightTripInsights8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Never had a boyfriend" at 23 is not a green flag if she's really HB8. There is something fundamentally wrong with that woman if that is the case, shes probably the town bike tbh. The religious thing is a cop-out btw because she mentions her parent's beliefs being strict, but girls who respect their parents' religion in regards to sex will generally have their own beliefs about it and don't need to bring up their parents during that convo.

[–]kayfab5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol lots of them have done it, but mostly the party girls the ones going out to clubs all the time etc....they are the worst.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a girl for about 4 months once who was 18 that had one boyfriend her whole life, whom planned to be a youth pastor when she was older and grew up in a very Christian home, needless to say I ran into about 7 dudes that claimed they’d been with her, I was also kinda BP then and she asked how many girls I’d slept with I just told her no more than 1 hand, I asked her back her face dropped and she got very nervous and said, “a few”. At the time I was very stupid and wanted to possibly date her so I said how many’s a few, a few, or a few hundred? She said 2 hands. I said all 10? She goes yep. I think back now and me asking her all 10 saved her ass. I don’t think she’d been with 30, but I do think it was more than 10. Either way there ARE 18 year old alpha widows that walk upon us gentleman.

[–]boom_bostic1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If I had a dime for every chick that told me she’s rode the CC, I’d have about....nothing.

They all act innocent and angelic because they know you’ll eat that up like Nikki Minaj’s booty.

See, it works!

[–]PolesWithGoals1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every straight woman has gone on the ride once

[–]Foolishoe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assume the worst and accept that her behavior is what you measure her by, not how many dicks she says she took.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How many women actually ride the cock carousel?

Most of the attractive ones, especially if at college.

There'll be a few exceptions: girl in a committed relationship 18 to 25, things like that. There's variation.

her, she told me her parents are super strict so she hasn't dated much, I'm pretty sure that her bf is the first person she's ever dated.

Equally don't believe a fucking word they say

[–]Simpsrgay1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assume they have...proceed and carry on

[–]NaughtybutNice170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sorry for asking a dumb question but what does HB8 mean?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol dude chicks i knew in high school in college were getting DICKED by a new dude every week. id say 40-50 cawks by 25 is the new norm (at least for millenial THOTS

[–]mindplaybyneo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus they don’t count the dick they sucked

[–]boy_named_su0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's hard to tell scientifically.

If you sleep with a few random girls, and they say they've slept with 50 guys, that doesn't mean the average girl has slept with 50 guys. It means the ones slutty enough to fuck you have slept with 50 guys

Women also lie about their body count, even to researchers, even when promised anonymity.

The number increases when the women are told they have been hooked up to a lie detector test

I don't know what the actual numbers are though. Some girls are actually virgins when they get married, some have gargled 200 hogs by the time they're 25

[–]cornylamygilbert0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as much as I want to agree with ya:

are we acting like she can’t fib and was under oath?

Is this chick infallible?

Dude you are accepting her hamstering and hamstering yourself.

“This person told me something. No way they are lying for self-preservation”

[–]__queenofsaigon_0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why do you guys even care about women sleeping with lots of men?

[–]academicRedditor6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

According to research, women’s marital satisfaction is negatively correlated with the amount of sexual partners she had had. If we consider that over 70% of all divorces are initiated by (dissatisfied) women, and how much men have to loose if such sad (and increasingly common) event happen, don’t you think it would make sense men become concerned about the history of the woman they could invest themselves with 🤔?

[–]__queenofsaigon_1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but most guys on this subreddit are just looking for casual sex anyway

[–]academicRedditor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it possible that you underestimate how many men actually desire a stable relationship, but feel unable to do so because the feminist push to for women to be promiscuous, all in the name of “liberation against the oppressive, tyrannical patriarchy of the West” (among other factors) have created a situation in which marriage becomes rather dangerous for men?

[–]MCFiletMignon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I reckon most guys on this subreddit are interested in figuring out reality.

And the bluepill has clouded the view of many.

[–]thepanda371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because as we value sleeping with them, so we usually want to know what value they.place on it themselves, It's usually far lower than they want it to appear

[–]Cum_Victor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They all do.

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