What is Alpha?

Rollo-Tomassi · 2014-12-11T22:52:43+00:00

Alpha Tells: http://therationalmale.com/2014/11/02/alpha-tells/

For as long as I’ve been writing in the manosphere, the definition of “what is Alpha?” has been the number one point of contention I’ve had to state and restate the most often. I’m not going to rehash this now as I have several posts on the nature of Alpha already linked in the sidebar, so if you’re looking for my take on Alpha that’s where to find it.

However, to lead in to today’s post I need to address the basis of what I believe are the most common misunderstandings about the term Alpha.

Well before the inception of this blog, in the early beginnings of what would evolve into the manosphere there was a need of terminology to describe the more abstract concepts developing in the ‘community’. Some of these analogies and terms are still with the manosphere today, others have morphed into more useful abstractions; Alpha Widows, Hypergamy (in its true nature), the Feminine Imperative, even Red Pill awareness are all examples of established terms or analogies for understood abstractions. Among these are also the concepts of a man being Alpha and Beta.

From The Unbearable Triteness of Hating at CH:

Etymology Hate

Hater: Your definition of an alpha male is false. In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is leader of the pack, not a cad/badboy/jerk who pumps and dumps women.

Isn’t it just like a nerd to get hysterical over the appropriation of a narrow-sense scientific term to conveniently illustrate broader truths about men and women.

One of the most common disconnects men encounter with the Red Pill for the first time is equating the term Alpha with its usage in describing the mating habits of Lions, Wolves or Silver Back Gorillas. It’s easy to ridicule or simply dismiss a valid, but uncomfortable, Red Pill truth when you’re simplistically comfortable in defining ‘Alpha Male’ in literal etymological terms.

This is the first resistance blue pill men claim they have with the Red Pill. They have no problem understanding and using abstractions for blue pill concepts they themselves are ego-invested in, but challenge that belief-paradigm with uncomfortable red pill truths and their first resort is to obstinately define Alpha (as well as Hypergamy) in as narrow, binary and literal a sense as they can muster.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2014-12-11T21:34:21+00:00

I have always taken the stance that 'Alpha' is a contextual term, and it refers to the person with the most power in a given situation.

Bill Gates would be an Alpha Male in any corporate board room, but would NOT be an Alpa Male in a combat squad, on the street corner in Chicago, or on a traditional spear hunt for dangerous game.

Big Business Tycoon Alpha is not hanging out on Reddit or the manosphere giving advice, but there are a ton of contextual alphas that do have the free time to post on the internet.

Gym rat alphas who get laid all of the time for their bodies, club promoter alphas who work Thursday-Sunday, popular musicians, etc.

On another note, most places the average person is going to find themself isn't going to also be a place where you'll find multibillionaires, pro athletes, or whatever other apex alpha you want to insert.

It is enough to be the most alpha person in your setting, or even in 2nd or 3rd place with regards to securing access to the highest tier of mates. The guy who was captain of the high school football is no Tom Brady, but is Tom Brady at his prom, competing with him for popularity and status?

KyfhoMyoba · 2014-12-11T18:17:10+00:00

I have taken on the challenge of writing a book on this topic.

I specifically will be focusing on what I call The Family Alpha and I have been met with quite a bit of flak here because of the fact that there is this preconceived notion that you cannot be married AND be an Alpha.

Not only do I whole Heartedly disagree but there is a sort of irony that the ones who are saying it is impossible to be an alpha while married are, through their actions, not being alpha. If a man owns his space, takes charge of the men and women he interacts with, and is doing what he feels he needs to do, regardless of the popularity of his decision, then he is, in my eyes Alpha. For someone to say ‘Nope, you’re married so you’re a beta faggot’ goes to show that they don’t understand that the husband’s life choices are his to make and if wife and kids are what he wants, then he is going to take that path.

Marriage does not remove all of the masculinity from the man. For most, they were weak to begin with and thought the ring on her finger allowed him to relax his standards, they were never Alpha to begin with and are not representing the group I’m referring to.

All married men, who choose to, can become The Family Alpha and run his family just as the Captain runs his ship, tight and according to his plan. Divorce is possible, but if you do it right many of the marriages that are currently on the path to destruction can be saved.

Take Charge
Be worth her attraction through lifting and self-improvement
Command Your Sex Life

These are but a few of the topics I have been writing about. I have a few chapters left before I’ve completed the first edition and will post periodically here once I make the initial edit.

EDIT I have a few things on my mind that keep floating around so I hope by writing it out it will leave my mind.

1 For some of us marriage was a tradition we wanted just as much as the woman. Some guys always wanted to have a Wife and kids and live that fairy tale. Why? Because men are the romantic sex, we all know this yet we still crucify the guy who says, “I want to get married”. I understand why we have such an issue with marriage, but our bigger issue is with the divorce laws and the stupid fucking whores who are ruining their husband’s lives. But again, the problem is the fucking hooker wife choosing to bail on their man instead of working on their marriage/relationship.

2 Marriage CAN be great. I am living proof that there are successful marriages. One of the reasons it works for me is because I do not take anything for granted. I love my wife, I don’t think she would ever cheat, but I KNOW it is always possible, and I use this knowledge to improve myself daily, to never lower my standards, and to continuously set the mark from which other men are measured. Dating for 11 years, married for 6 and last night she gave me a blowjob and shot that shit all over her chest and told me that it was hot. She’s had the same dick for over a decade and blowing me still turns her on. Those who choose marriage can make this happen, it just takes work and dedication.

3 Marriage is NOT easy and is NOT for everyone. As a matter of fact I do NOT promote marriage, but I do defend it. You can achieve almost everything from a LTR that you can from a marriage (almost). So don’t get married if you don’t want to, but don’t assume that every husband is a fucking AFC.

4 Just like a majority of single guys are beta, a majority of married guys are beta. But look at this sub, it is proof that there are men still out there trying to save the decline population of masculine men. This also applies to the married guys. There are some husbands out there who are doing it right and raising the next generation of Red Pill youth. Which, in all reality, means that they are raising their kids to understand right and wrong and what it means to be an honorable man and a woman. Red Pill just describes understanding reality for what it is and making the bullshit that is spewed from those feminizing our society transparent and standing up for what is right and not what is popular.

That’s pretty much it. Men need to be masculine men and fill the role they were born to fill and act the way they have been biologically programmed to act. Married, single, I don’t give a shit be a fucking man and own your life. If you take a woman and children into your life than lead them to a fulfilled and happy life as well.

LukesLikeIt · 2014-12-12T00:35:00+00:00

Deep down behind the facade we are all afraid. Because we have no real purpose, no meaning. Sure we work and make families, pay taxes and contribute to the system. But it's all just a "game" we all get wrapped up in. Alpha's are the rocks people hold into. The candles in the dark. The people we are instinctively drawn to because said qualities demonstrate strength and ability to lead. We are drawn to alphas because humans are lost in a state of existential flux and we need leadership. TRP is taking advantage of this need. You can train yourself to exude these qualities and people will respond positively or test your mettle. There are those that get mad at this truth because it's conflicting with the nonsense they're fed by the feminine media crusade. Women don't want women. They want protectors.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-12-12T05:16:29+00:00

Alpha Male behaviors include characteristics, attitudes, looks, and actions that make women wet for them. The Alpha is usually full of cocky, funny, confident, aloof, competent, charming, seductive, sexy, and masculine behaviors which is the main seduction trigger for women. The Alpha is cool and confident, eyes sweeping, not jerking. There are many Alpha behaviors that turn on women which are damn near antisocial and nothing to emulate such as the entire Dark Triad.

myTRPaccount · 2014-12-11T19:05:06+00:00

I would love to go into this in more detail when I am not at work. I think this needs to be discussed and elaborated on because as it stands now, Alpha, as a term, has been kind of too much of a catch-all and has become a punchline at this point in time.

cocaine_face · 2014-12-11T18:02:37+00:00

This is a good post, especially with all the new members.

I've seen a lot of posts, upvotes and downvotes relating to what is popular morally, nowadays.

That's a huge trap to fall into. Just because you disagree with something morally doesn't make it a bad idea in the realm of sexual strategy.

This sub is foremost an exercise in effectiveness and efficiency, not how to be a pillar of your community (though you can certainly get aspects of how to do that from here, if that is your goal).

This sub is about becoming a man, period. And that can and has frequently throughout history been related to violence, bloodshed and abuse.

You, as a man, have to choose where to draw the line to make your best life.

Some people want to have rules that they abide by unflinchingly. Others want to be Frank Underwood.

Neither approach should be encouraged or discouraged, merely explored.

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94redstealth · 2014-12-12T00:38:57+00:00

well said. I would also day, Alpha is not your actions, but your thought process that leads you to those actions.

hairaware · 2014-12-12T16:28:24+00:00

I appreciate this if only to shut up the people on here attaching morality to redpill.

BlueFreedom420 · 2014-12-12T22:43:28+00:00

Alpha is a hard definition to nail, even in a short paragraph. To me Alpha is being dominant. Dominance can be natural superiority, uncontested superiority, or learned superiority.

The real questions: is an alpha someone who gets all the girls or someone who can kill every man he meets? So is being an alpha context based? Is poisoning all your rivals before a big race being an alpha or being able to out run them being an alpha? is being an alpha merely a social mean?

GreenPiller · 2014-12-13T07:53:06+00:00

Simplified, Alpha: Becoming the strongest versión of yourself- Elliot Hulse

RockyMountainTaste · 2014-12-13T15:16:01+00:00

Well first off, it is impossible to be alpha and be on the same level as a woman. There is nothing a woman can do to be on the intellectual, social, and physical level of an alpha. And an alpha must know that they are superior to women and act like it.

As far as criticism goes, who cares if the alpha hypothesis in wolves is wrong, nerd? Nobody wants to hear real science when talking in metaphors. Suspend your diabelief.

kevkos · 2014-12-11T23:58:06+00:00

One problem I have with the term as used by many is the idea that you're either "Alpha" or "Beta". Not true. Just like introvert/extrovert, it's a sliding scale. Most are not 100% either way, some are in the middle and there are many along the spectrum. Labeling people one or the other doesn't help anyone, as if there is some wall you have to crossover to achieve Alphahood.

[deleted] · 2014-12-11T18:11:26+00:00

This has for a long time been the bane of discussions here.

HermitXenotrope · 2014-12-11T21:15:32+00:00

This is a very interesting idea to me growing up in non metropolitan areas. In my home town there was this 30-something hippie dude that was super laid back, nice to everyone, and an all around go with the flow kind of guy. And he was dripping in pussy. All the single (and some not single) ladies had a go with him at one time or another. I guess you could call him more of a love guru. Point being, he was neither confrontational nor concrete in his convictions, just attractive to the ladies and (dare I say it) an all around nice guy.

LittleCrazee · 2014-12-11T18:47:44+00:00

Any time I read an article or comment that uses the term "Alpha-ness" I can't help but disregard the person's opinion because it is such a stupid descriptor it pains me to even read it.

Also, there is no such thing as an "Alpha" except in the minds of people who subscribe to the idea. Yes, there are certainly people whom those who are familiar with the terminology could say are "Alpha" because of certain qualities they possess, but it is only based on what the people judging them can see of that person. Nobody can really know how that person acts in private except their family or close friends but even then, it's not a complete picture. It then comes down to a rating system based on how many "Alpha" qualities or moments other people have observed this person having and them judging this person's qualities to be what they perceive as "Alpha". The thing that makes it almost impossible to describe is the fact that the term "Alpha" is defined by the beholders predetermined definitions of what they believe to be "Alpha". This makes "Alpha" a nebulous target which can never really be hit unless a majority of the people observing the "Alpha" in question agrees which is silly if you ask me.

Be confident, be strong in your convictions, be attractive, be charming, be ever improving in your work and life's pursuits and stop worrying about being "Alpha". It's a vague concept used to encapsulate these qualities and others but should not be viewed as the end game.

Probably could have fleshed this out a bit better and provided more salient points but I'm on lunch while writing this so in a bit of a rush.

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Stationarity · 2014-12-13T01:04:43+00:00

Some thought provoking comments, so I'll post my take. An alpha is one who believes he deserves the best regardless of others' doubts, and who's thoughts, words and actions are congruent with his belief.

moderatorsAREshit · 2014-12-13T21:23:51+00:00

Correlation does not always equal causation, so it is important to remember context. If you were thinking of wild animals, would you question which ones act which way and which ones don't? They simply ARE. While not the exact definition we tie to alpha and beta, the situation may unfold so that every animal is alpha, but only becomes beta when surrounded by the right social constructs.

Much in the same way that men today are being taught lies about attraction and drowned in feminist media, beta has always been a construct of society. You aren't meant to do ANYTHING, much like wild animals. Your outcome depends on your behavior.

This is why maintaining frame is important, but it's even more important to detect when you break frame, so you can fix it.

If you break frame for someone, who is to say you won't do it again? Worse, yet, in front of your SO.

Much like some stupid men, women don't have a filter for their emotions. They just are. I had an interesting discussion with my mother about how she understood that what she told me was wrong about dating. She legitimately thought that every woman wanted a man that would romance her. While women may think they want that, she also understood that this is not what drives attraction to begin with.

This is why I believe love to be such a dangerous feeling for men. We get so entrenched in our emotions, that we lose our frame. Sometimes, when we fear rejection the most, our greatest successes can be won. Nearly every time I have put my foot down, I have had a momentary LMR from my conscience with a pang of guilt, but every time I have gone through with it, I have felt better about myself as a man to the point that the outcome doesn't even matter. Believe it or not, the most satisfying and rewarding times in my life, have been periods of extreme selfishness. It's a cold world out there, men. You can't afford to not be selfish these days.

Social constructs aside, trying to get back into that frame is what becoming red pill/alpha is all about. Take the plunge, adopt the mentality, live the lifestyle and never look back.

[deleted] · 2014-12-11T19:04:25+00:00

I've also perceived in that thread that people assimilated alpha with what they consider the "ultimate man" with all the good qualities they imagine the ideal male should have and laughed at OP for thinking the subject of his story was alpha yet in jail for being violent and aggressive.

All I can say is, from the description OP gave us, in a group of that dude and 100 average chumps he would probably be the alpha and leader of the group.

Maybe no class, frame or coolness, but old school, natural alpha.

bobbatosakosanose · 2014-12-11T19:58:47+00:00

What about power? George W Bush was socially unskilled, but had massive clout. Would that be alpha?

marlybarrow · 2014-12-12T03:09:29+00:00

But isn't Alpha a relative term as well?

Kind of how not everybody can be royalty, not everybody can be alpha.

So every man in the room can have an Alpha mindset but when it comes down to it, some men will be at the top, some men will be at the bottom and most will be in between.

oldredder · 2014-12-12T05:29:19+00:00

Rollo also said it's alpha to never mate-guard.

That's the biggest load of shit posted by him yet. I understand it's a trick to sabotage betas and I upvoted it for having it as a template to trick them for entertainment.

Alphas lead, control, are aggressive, clever and maintain it and do so by instinct.

Betas supplicate, show weakness & plead forgiveness, mercy because they don't have the strength of body or will to be aggressive and they do so by instinct.

Cyralea · 2014-12-12T14:33:23+00:00

Alpha denotes a man determined by his desirability. There is some nuance pursuant to context as Rollo notes, but as far as sexual strategy goes, the man who generates the most desire in women is the most Alpha. That's it.

A criminal thug can be more Alpha than a community leader. Not all Alphas are role models; they only denote what's successful (in a given context -- a criminal thug is likely not an Alpha as far as financial success goes).

I'm glad you made this post, RPS. Re-defining the term Alpha is starting to seem like a subversive attempt at policing this sub, and steering it to more PC waters. I'm not sure if we should be reporting those threads, but I'm starting to see them on the same level as tone-policing.

RedPillDad · 2014-12-11T23:11:17+00:00

Alpha is really simple to me now. The alpha is the selfish man. The man who does what is best for him, or what he believes is best for him, at all times. That's it. That's the base definition.

He may or may not care what other people think. That has nothing to do with being alpha. It's just the selfishness. If he's a smart alpha then he will care, selectively, about what people think simply because it is what is best for him. That's it. The alpha always does what is best for him. And he doesn't even think about it.

So be selfish men. Be alpha men. Beta men are no longer rewarded. Be selfish. Do what is best for you at all times.

chowbluent · 2014-12-14T19:20:07+00:00

This might be controversial, but in modern society I consider mental and emotional prowess much more important in determining alpha status than physical prowess.

The real alpha is not always who you would expect. They may not be the strongest or best looking guy in the room. The true alpha is the man who's most effective at providing perspective and advice in life. This is the guy who everyone respects, and who they strive to be like. He may not be the showiest guy or wealthiest guy, but he's the guy who has his shit together; socially and financially. He's the guy that you go to for advice when something happens in your life. The alpha isn't necessarily the leader of the pack; a true alpha has no interest in leading for the sake of being the leader. But he does guide people's interests, and underneath the veneer of society he is someone who influences others in a positive way.

An alpha is a man who transcends the bullshit. A true alpha realizes what is important- creating a better society and caring for himself, his family, and his friends. He is not someone who uses backhanded techniques or manipulates. A true alpha doesn't have to game women, because they are attracted to his genuine personality.

Alpha status definitely depends on physical stature and abilities. But physical alpha status does not guarantee someone to be a true alpha in my eyes. I've met plenty of gym bros who have a work ethic in the gym that I respect, but I do not consider to have alpha mentalities. I think that maintaining a good physique and caring for your health is important, but alpha status depends much more on how you interact with other people.

newlifeasredpill · 2014-12-11T20:23:04+00:00

Very interesting discussion. It reminds me of a famous quote by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart when establishing the threshold test for obscenity.

"I know it when I see it"

ALPHA seems to be at least partially subjective and it lacks clearly defined parameters. Yet all of use here who have lived life and tasted the pain of THE LIE and swallowed the bitter pill know alpha when we see it.

lubricatingglue · 2014-12-13T01:30:27+00:00

This whole thread...

Saved.

Vaselinee · 2014-12-14T06:00:31+00:00

Ok I've been obsessing over this in my gerbil for a few days now. Defining the alpha is so important for red pill men. We keep arguing about this. Because alpha behavior is the ethereal that just means we are fucking more women then other men. That's it. And we keep applying what helps us fuck women by what we see is causing us to get to fuck women the way we want to.

It's obsession. That's alpha. The alpha is the extreme man. Who pushes himself to the limit in everything he does. Who pulls back where he can because that energy is better served to push yourself into where you want. Because we all want that crazy sex in the back hall. We all want a woman to suck our cocks in the parking lot. And we all got that by being better then the men around us. By pushing ourselves further then them.

And isn't this good for our DNA? To push as hard as we can.

Sure it's fun to rage against the FI where women won't fuck us hard because we give them BB. Sure it makes me fucking mad. But that madness pushes me to higher obsession. Do some men, many men, go over the edge and end up dead? Yeah. That's the alpha. He pushed himself farther then you.

Do some men push themselves and fuck hot women regardless if they have a boyfriend or fiance or husband or whatever? Do we realize our wives, even our wives, are our plates?! They are all just plates. When I've forgotten this I have been destroyed.

So I'll be selfish. But I'm selfish because I'm extreme. I conquer what I do. I work my fucking ass off and this causes me to be extreme. I see other men and push myself past you. I'm trying to push past you.

There are male spaces where we can collaborate. It's to keep each other safe while the extreme men, the red pill men, push against whatever their base definition is. Women create culture and men push that culture to a higher level. Because I'll only fuck women who are extreme and hot as fuck. And I'll go be extreme. I'm hard back in my hobby where I am the alpha. Where I am the top man. I've seen other men literally commit suicide due to their obsessions.

That was an alpha man. He obsessed but he lost.

Go find your obsession and focus on it. You are going to be the best you can be. Push the limits. If we listen we hear this every day. Men push the limits. Women control the limits. Am I mad that women have this level of control right now? Who cares? Cause I'm just busy fucking your girlfriend, fucking your wife, and living at the limit of the times. I can't change where you chalk the line. But I can step over the line time and time again.

I'm thinking now that the alpha men are simply the men who push themselves farther then other men. We live in the top 20%. Dream our blue pill dreams and live in the present. Fuck women at your job. Have plates come over and fuck you, clean your house, and leave. Because you are extreme and obsessive. Because we push our genes into a higher level.

Sure the FI wants to reign us in. Of course it does. Because our biggest battle is against women. Which only pushes both of us to succeed. My plate tonight was busy throwing up the dinner I bought her in the bathroom, lying to me about it, sucking my dick, and she's asleep in my bed right now.

And she wants to be extreme because I am extreme. Because we both obsess. Everything everyone defines as alpha is just the top of men. That's alpha. Obsessing to the top.

Obsess your way to the top or die trying. Cause I've nearly died several times from my hobby. And the status of that gets me top pussy. But I've watched my brothers die trying to get to the top. That's the game.

AFPJ · 2014-12-11T19:11:43+00:00

Alpha is not "attractive to women".

Alpha is not "fair and righteous".

Alpha is not "who people look up to".

It's often those things, but Alpha stands for one thing: leader of men. That's it.

He can be cruel, unfair, dark triad and conniving. But if he is the leader of his group, he is Alpha.

People using "Alpha" and "RP" interchangeably with good and "Beta" or "BP" with bad is indeed cancer.

Alpha: leaders of men and societies
Beta: lieutenants / petty aristocracy.
Delta: a lot of men; above average.
Gamma: most men; around average.
Omega: some men; below average.
Lambda: N/A - gay, asexual & similar.
Sigma: lone wolves; as rare as Alphas.

Finer distinctions:

A Sigma is self-reliant and instinctually reviles group hierarchy / cohesion.
An Alpha often relies on his group for support and delegation of workload.
Betas manage resources & oversee tasks but don't have their own goals.
Delta, Gamma & Omegas are the High/Mid/Low-end executioners of tasks.
Gammas & Omegas often delude themselves into believing they're Sigmas.
Women and Alphas are the ones most often mistaking Sigmas for Alphas.

The last one occurs because Sigmas do not defer. In case of conflict, Alphas resolve primarily via dominance and resort to excommunication whereas Sigmas resolve primarily via separation and resort to violence - however, until "shit goes down", so to speak, Alphas and Women often can't tell the difference whereas Betas and Deltas realize they're neither welcomed to follow a Sigma nor would they benefit from it and ergo are able to easily differentiate.

You are not "Alpha" "chilling with your Alpha friends". The only time multiple Alphas are in the same room is during negotiation or conflict between groups. If you're all in the same group there is, without exception, only one Alpha.

I deeply believe that 99.99% of readers mistakenly want to be "Alpha". Most of you aren't cut out for it and never will be unless a need for you to lead in an emergency situation arises. You want status and to be desirable? Alpha isn't that. High ranking Betas from heavy hitter groups often have higher status than leaders of small groups.

Alphas desire to lead. If leadership is not important and intrinsically rewarding for you, you are not an Alpha. Not being an Alpha isn't bad, it doesn't prevent you from being successful & desirable. Get that shit out of your heads.

Summertime_Dimes · 2014-12-11T20:08:49+00:00

An alpha is, first and foremost, a leader. This is not to say that an alpha must be righteous, and he may in fact be evil as fuck.

On a related note, even alphas can and should follow at times. By way of example, my boss one of the biggest, baddest, most dominant trial attorneys that I have ever known. He is the living embodiment of alpha male. He does not second guess himself, he does not back down, he does not ever give an inch, and he does not give a fuck if people like him or not - though I get a sense he prefers to be liked when feasible. I certainly like him. But more importantly, I respect him immensely. He has 8 children by several ex-wives, and has adopted a few more. He has raised all of his kids to be strong, confident, dominant human beings like their father.

I have several employees that answer to me, male and female. I lead them, train them, direct them, reward them, and discipline them when necessary. They look to me for leadership. I, in turn, look to my boss for decision making on issues above my pay grade. In my relationship with my subordinates, I am the consummate alpha. In my relationship with my boss, he is.

Just as I admire leadership qualities in my subordinates, my boss admires leadership qualities in his. I have much more respect for those working under me who demonstrate alpha qualities, and know that they will one day be people I can depend on to get shit done without direct oversight.

The point is, you can be an alpha and not be the end all be all boss in a given situation. You can be strong and confident in your abilities and still be deferential to those who lead you without compromising your alpha-ness. Men learn how to be great men from other great men.

Sigmund-Droid · 2014-12-11T20:31:51+00:00

"Alpha" is the first letter of the Greek alphabet.

If i ever see another discussion here about "what is alpha" i m gonna unsubscribe! that's a threat!

Alpha is a scientific term with a specific definition, but we want to believe that humans are not pure animals and our society is a lot more complicated than, say, horses.

"Alpha" is a metaphor that everyone can use as they wish, as long as they keep the analogies (alpha==good, beta==bad).

Anyone who can prove that "alpha" is more than a word, i dare you to respond.

PookIsLovePookIsLife · 2014-12-11T19:30:58+00:00

I think Pook put it best in his description of the Don Juan.

An alpha is not the hypermasculine man controlled by his masculinity, nor is it the beta man who shuns his masculinity.

The alpha is he who controls his masculinity.

haflac · 2014-12-11T19:41:52+00:00

do you guys actually want to be "alpha"? based on the replies, I cant tell if you guys are striving to be "alpha" or just describing an idea. Overall, an "alpha" would seem to be a pretty obnoxious dick. i just stumbled upon this sub reddit and do not plan on participating at all, since i dont agree with anything thats on it