The Red Pill is even tougher to swallow for girls

Bibosas · 2014-12-30T17:05:37+00:00

I think it was lauren becall who said: "a beautiful woman dies twice".

CornyHoosier · 2014-12-30T22:50:01+00:00

Nobody cares that you have a degree. You can climb the corporate ladder as a single, independent woman, and think you’re happy, and you will be for a few years, but you’ll probably end up alone, or in an unfulfilling relationship, and you’ll be miserable. You’ll wish you married that nice guy you turned down when you were young, and who ended up becoming an amazing man. Now he doesn’t even look at you.

Ouch. True but painful to watch.

I have a female friend that this is directly happening to now. This girl was a New York/LA 8-9, intelligent, well-educated and hopped from one alpha guy to the next. I only knew her back in my over-weight, poor and beta days so of course nothing happened.

Anyway, fast-forward to now, she's 34 or 35 and the years of working some incredibly long and stressful hours all the time are noticeably taking their toll on her physically. She has broken down in front of me a couple times crying because she is starting to get turned down by men that she feels are way out of her league. She's also told me that in the last few years she has come to the conclusion that she does want a child and marriage and feels as if it is all "slipping away".

It was a marked day in my life when she asked me out on a date and I politely declined. Strangely I always thought I would feel some sort of satisfaction from it ... but instead I felt pity.

C'est la vie.

draketton · 2014-12-30T16:26:23+00:00

it's extremely common for a young girl to be aware of the general trend that women lose their attractiveness around 30, but to think that they themselves will find a workaround

RedPillSafe · 2014-12-30T15:38:40+00:00

And this is why many women NEVER accept the truth even long after it has arrived into their lives when older.

Women are not good at accepting pain like this. Their nature is to avoid pain through hamstering forever and ever and ever.

I recently questioned your stereotypical 65 year old childless Feminist about whether if she could go back in time would she have appreciated the man's role more and accepted the importance of family (Patriarchy or something similiar) and her answer was:

"No".

A Feminist will prefer to die childless than to accept the truth. It's a suicide mission.

If the "failures" which we call "aging childless Feminists" actually DID realize their mistake they might pass this wisdom on to younger females, but they generally reaffirm the failed vision to the death.

IllimitableMan · 2014-12-30T15:49:02+00:00

Women shine brighter but burn out quicker.

Men start out as candles that keep getting blown out in the wind, but end up becoming the fucking sun itself (if they apply themselves rigorously enough.)

It may be harder to be a man than to be a woman in many ways, men may take the bulk of the responsibility, but I would infinitely prefer to endure the trials and tribulations of men than the mediocrity inherent of feminine kind. Clearly a lot of women agree being a woman is boring, because the craziest biggest man hating feminists always take on male qualities and become completely unattractive in the process. They have Freudian penis envy on steroids, they are totally and utterly jealous they weren't born men because they defy femininity and it's rather minor responsibilities, instead gravitating towards the masculine. These are usually your naturally high T girls/tomboy types, but feminism as an ideology mandates low T women should aspire to live their lives in much the same way. They use female herd mentality/groupthink to shame and boss low T women into high T female behaviour, essentially, more masculine behaviour.

Women's biggest philosophical conundrum is this:

Do I want to be attractive to men, or do I want to be interesting/have a career?

Because you can't have both. Sure a career woman can get a man, but not a high quality man, not a man she wants or will "be in love with." So what is more important to her? Love or money? Lifelong high quality commitment or academic/business success? The men she wants aren't interested in her. Women always think they can have the best of both "I'm a mother and a CEO!" but they can't. Career mothers breed fucked up kids and expect the father to take on a motherly role. If he won't, the kids are raised by complete strangers (the tale of every rich kid ever in the modern age.)

Most women indulge the power of their beauty in youth, then start developing an actual personality around 35 once their looks die out and they need to find alternative means to maintain their power in society. Unfortunately, anything women can do, men can do better. Their beauty is their biggest selling point, so the personality they create to make up for the loss of looks is rarely ever as developed as a man's, who has had to develop a strong personality from a very young age just to get by in the world. Women being coddled and flattered and catered to so much is really what makes them, in many ways, as weak and needy and inferior as they are. I do believe women can be a lot better/higher quality than they are, but they'd need to find RPW at a young age. Being a post-wall hag on RPW, or a reformed slut will not get you a male 9 or 10 unless you luck the fuck out. Women past the expiry date have to accept a man will take other mistresses if he is alpha and she waited post-wall (once she lost her youth) to get serious, that or she can monopolise a beta she will never truly "be in love with" (get tingles for.) Every woman wants to monopolise an alpha, but very few have the sheer quality necessary (beauty, intelligence, good disposition) to warrant alpha provider commitment (which is basically RPW endgame.)

Do I feel sorry for women? No. They get to have 15 years of bliss whilst we sweat and toil. We earn our accolades, they just get born with a vagina in a first world country. They don't give a shit about your struggles either, your sympathy will get you nothing from women but exploitation. Don't feel too sorry for them, they reap what they sow. It's easy to see women as victims, I believe as men we are instinctually inclined to perceive women as such. But they play on that and will fuck you over when it becomes apparent you're a schmuck. So OP for the sake of your own best interest, keep a lid on that shit.

Popeman79 · 2014-12-30T17:40:41+00:00

I agree to a point;

Two of these hardships (1st and 3rd) for women are only present in a woman's life if she is pretty/hot/attractive. If she just isnt pretty (working out can't change an unappealing face, or a deformity, etc), she is essentially a guy in that no one gives a happy shit about what she wants. It's like she was born post-wall.

Red Pill tends to forget, not every woman is born a 9/10, and not every woman can gym their way there. Some women just arent cute, they didnt hit the genetic lottery, and because of that they don't ever believe that "omg people just like me b/c i am so nice like omg lol" because they have never been white knighted or treated specially.

Either these women will go hard core feminist in some attempt to force men to like them or ptretend that they dont care about men, or they will swallow the pill early, realizing they have next to no value as a hot fuck on the CC, but can actually improve themselves as an LTR (cutivating feminine traits, attitdes, hobbies, and skills is somehing any woman can do).

Just a thought.

cover20 · 2014-12-30T15:58:47+00:00

2 other points:

women don't realize they're past the wall until several years after the fact. Getting dates is harder but they rationalize and work on their game a bit to compensate. Then they still get dates, just that they're all pump and dump.
there's not only the dating clock but the biological clock for women. And men who want a family are well aware of it, moreso than before probably.

Lt_Muffintoes · 2014-12-30T21:32:35+00:00

Imagine you had wings.

The world is at your feet. People adore and are amazed by you everywhere you go. You are free in a way most people cannot imagine.
When you fly, people shout at you to go higher and cheer with every breathtaking loop.

One day, a sombre man, maybe a doctor, tells you that your beautiful wings will whither and die.
That the more you fly, the more quickly their lustre will fade.
That you must preserve your wings not for swooping and soaring, but remain earthbound and gift your ability to only one other.
That if you squander your vitality, you will grow old, flightless and alone, burdened by your drab and lifeless stalks.

I think many would hate this man.

PaulMurrayCbr · 2014-12-30T22:05:30+00:00

the wall is much tougher to swallow than the red pill

emptyform · 2014-12-30T17:01:35+00:00

In a way, I don't want them to. Not to exploit, but because their feminine energy is so much more lively when it's not burdened down by "harsh reality". No, I don't want a whore who's ridden the cock carousel, rollercoaster and sky tram, but I want to have my career in place in 5 years so that I can get a young woman who hasn't slept around but also doesn't know the harsh world that lies out there. Femininity is so beautiful and pure when it's truly innocent--its ugly side comes out after being exposed to the world. This is why I think boys and girls should be raised differently--boys need challenge and hardship to become men, girls need ease and comfort to stay girls. I will gladly take on the burden of facing the world, not confiding in her my doubts & fears, not asking her to understand the pain and failure I have to undergo as a man to progress, not even asking that she help out financially....if she's a beautiful, youthful woman who simply wants to keep a nice home, give me all the sex I could want, and spend her days filling her life with love so that I come home to love, and not a burned out career woman. For that, the burden of being a man is entirely worth it.

Is this a fantasy? Perhaps. I think it's an attainable reality, though, especially as more and more women reject feminism as I see them doing.

thereddespair · 2014-12-30T15:59:37+00:00

Ive been trying to strike exchanges with women here on reddit really, and the moment some realize ive been coming here they start to frown upon it, even if I am one myself.

I try to talk of self upliftment and go against entitlement and being consumed by insecurity but alas, futile but not really a surprise. Its true, I love how some women 'demand' worship even when they have to put in the table, even when are so unflattering they expect compliments.

The things mentioned up there, I can agree to them. It is hard to swallow, as it is harsh, but it is true nonetheless just as some other concepts you people offer.

Time, we really need to start deluding ourselves that it is infinite for us. Sentiment and pursuits, are really best used on more meaningful things, not trivial bullshit.

I can only say coming to this place, getting the ideas here, has been really uplifting. I have never felt so motivated and confident in myself than ever before, physically ive been more capable than ever. Its true I guess, company can have effects on you - just as when you see a dancer who just doesnt stop you feel the same energy and you yourself push just as hard. Surrounded by weakness, by stagnation, it is destructive like rust.

Surprisingly, though I come off as more of an ass to most women, the few women that I find to be truly fascinating as they are strong in mind and will and life, they love me even more and want to be around me. Men I talk to as well, seem to get a sigh of relief.

I guess what Im saying is, if more women would just put down their crap and be open minded and take some of the ideas here - I think they can fix a shit ton of issues and be better out there.

Though some of the ideas here are indeed geared towards men, doesnt mean you cant turn it around to fit your situation and use it to your advantage.

It is hard, to change. But not impossible

chtrchtr_pussyeater · 2014-12-30T22:32:21+00:00

I think the majority of women get used to using their looks to get what they want in life. It starts out when they're little and cute and parents tell them they're mommy's/daddy's little princess. They grow up with a metaphorical tiara around their head that is only reinforced in their teens and twenties.

Sure as shit though that tiara will fade along with her looks.

GayLubeOil · 2014-12-30T23:14:10+00:00

If you want to achieve greatness you have to make yourself uncomfortable. Want to get to the top of Everest? Then you have to struggle up a mountain. Want to improve your body? Lift heavy weights. Want to improve your mind? Accept painful bitter truth. Men have an advantage in that other men have no problem calling them out.

On the otherhand women dont call each other out. Women love being comfortable above all else. Women spend their time thinking about stupid shit and conforming rather than explore deep controversial issues.

Old women talk about petty shit like gardens and brunches. Old men have real wisdom to share because they actually lived.

yumyumgivemesome · 2014-12-30T20:20:07+00:00

This sounds incredibly depressing for women. When the truth begins to set in around a woman who refused to swallow the pill, who in the world would want to be around? As OP says, it must be a very empty and depressing time for her.

I read many posts in this subreddit bitching about how privileged women are, and I always think, "WTF dude, I'm fucking glad I'm a man. How could you not be?" Let those women have their youthful fun while we strive to become the men that get to enjoy them during their age of flourishing. And of course, if we grow exhausted of the game, we can settle down with them any moment we want.

human_bean_ · 2014-12-30T19:14:25+00:00

My yoga instructor had a really nice ass for a 50 year old, tho. Thirsty as fuck guys will always exist. Only thing I see going away permanently for woman, is finding that good man. She will still be able mostly to coast through life by manipulating and using eager, brainwashed ~~men~~ sheep.

Ugly and fat though. You can't escape those two rules written in stone.

These days even ugly and fat single mom doesn't mean that much. You still get money from the government. It's easy to hold your child as a hostage. The depth of beta and omega can never be underestimated.

2014-12-30T18:44:32+00:00

As a woman this was eye-opening

2014-12-30T21:54:36+00:00

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JovianTrainWreck · 2014-12-30T19:01:22+00:00

--> No matter what feminists tell you, you won’t fill fulfilled if you don’t have a household or a family of your own. You don’t realize it now because you’re young and everything revolves around you, but when you’re older you’ll notice that your life feels empty. Just look at those 50years old women with no kids or loving husband, they are truly miserable and bored to death.

True as fuck. A certain podcast told me about this funny little clip where it's some guy versus a feminist + some lame-ass white knight. It's truly sickening looking at her smug face regurgitating her BS, but it's comforting to know that she, among many others like her, have to learn the hard way.

On a side note though, I dunno about you guys but where I live, any woman over 25 without kids is pretty much a unicorn (pardon me while I lower the bar further than it already is :)

hey_prettymama · 2014-12-31T16:00:26+00:00

I don't like reading TRP, but some of the descriptions of women on here eerily remind me of myself and it is humbling.

the_red_scimitar · 2014-12-30T18:41:26+00:00

True enough. I have one female friend who is very aware of TRP, reads this subreddit, and makes a point of not behaving in those ways. A very thoughtful person in general. She may well see this post (wave!)

Popeman79 · 2014-12-30T20:40:11+00:00

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jbrendlinger6152 · 2014-12-31T03:45:10+00:00

i just wish women would just admit how much easier life is for them

2014-12-31T09:58:32+00:00

I'm just going to throw this out there. Maybe the whole no-sex before marriage thing actually benefitted society more than we thought?

d6x1 · 2014-12-30T18:20:19+00:00

Prince charming is a mirage, a fallacy, a Disney fantasy. Forget prince charming, girls, he doesn't exist. Stop wasting your time and get real.

novemberguest · 2014-12-30T20:10:29+00:00

The over-generalizations on this board and this page in general almost render the entire post inaccurate.

I don't know what kind of socioeconomic position other posters are used to, but in an upper-class social sphere, the popular, attractive, happy people pass through life maintaining their popularity and glow. Of course some women fall through the cracks and make poor personal life decisions, just as many males never succeed in the corporate sphere. Aging is inevitable, but most mature people accept it as just another part of life. In the words of David Foster Wallace, "Everybody worships... Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you."

I've heard and seen far too many men try to derive hope and happiness from what they like to envision as the "downfall" of all the women who have rejected them and far fewer men attempt to create their own happiness through personal success and hard work.

tl;dr: Most women don't follow the single life trajectory that /trp/ likes to repeat as if it's fact-- most women live happy, fulfilling lives long after the age of thirty.

DreamBoatGuy25 · 2014-12-30T20:54:34+00:00

This may sound depressing for women but it's really only bad because they started out so high and have a long way to fall and even then they still do pretty good.

For example the only time women are really in a bad way is when they get old or if they really lost the genetic lottery and are really ugly. And even then there are still going to be plenty of guys out there who will fuck them and even wife them up. Those guys won't be George fucking Clooney, of course, but that's the only real tragedy of being an old or ugly woman, they all think they deserve George Clooney so when they don't get him and end up having to settle down with Joe Mediocre, it's a huge blow. And a lot of women don't even get to this point. They find themselves a nice beta before they even hit the wall. They may never be as happy as they were with the alpha but they have a decent life and are taken care of. The truth is most women do end up getting to have their cake and eat it too.

I mean certainly everything is relative, but sex and companionship are such enormous parts of life, and ultimately women have higher access, than men, to both, it's just not always on the picture perfect terms that they think they are entitled to.

And you know what? I would actually be ok with women having their cake and eating it too, if men got to do the same. Legalize prostitution, create perfect virtual sex and girlfriend experience simulators, hell, create perfect robots that look like Kate Upton and can be programmed with a realistic personality to be the perfect wife. If we had those things men would never talk to another human woman again because we would no longer need to deal with their inane bullshit.

I think that's where the imbalance problem comes from. Post industrial revolution women moved into the workplace and negated one of the primary factors of attraction they had for men. His ability to provide and his social status. And now they have so much more trouble finding happiness because they've priced themselves out of their own standards for a mate. It's like walking around with a mouth full of sugar. You're not going to be able to appreciate the taste of that ice cream or that cake. Give men the ability to satisfy their need for sex in the same way women were given the ability to satisfy their need for a provider and social status and then things will be balanced again. Of course it'll just be a balance of the two genders pretty much ignoring each other, which is what's happening in Japan, it seems, but at least it won't be what it is now in the west, one sided, with women getting what they want and men still having to chase after them for what we want.

jcrpta · 2014-12-30T15:49:22+00:00

Some women have a soft wall depending on their genetics (some asian women in their 40s look like they are in their 20s) which means a lot of them can keep still be in their prime through 40.

fulhamfan · 2014-12-30T21:11:44+00:00

I need to print this out and put it on my wall

2014-12-31T01:50:21+00:00

Jesus, the accuracy of this post is ridiculous. It makes me sick and looking at my exes in this way just shows the truth, they'll say it's lack of love but it's just them wanting that Alpha feeling.

Killigraphy · 2014-12-31T09:44:16+00:00

That's why its easier for men to manipulate them, women aren't trying to change the game (well some are, but to a very small extent), they're complacent in knowing that pretty = attention. Then they can ride the carousel till the beta bux comes in. Warpigs know the game as well, they're not willing to lose the weight so they have to be the "life of the party". The dichotomy hasn't changed in decades, nor will it ever.

NigTrannyMarxFemJew · 2015-01-01T00:23:57+00:00

Damn this really makes me glad I'm not a fucking woman

misstayco · 2015-02-09T12:43:47+00:00

I'm sorry, but this isn't all women you are referring to is it? Because it sounds nothing like me that's or sure. I was curious about this subreddit because i have been abused online by "redpillers" by simply being a female, so is this all about hating woman/women are the devil kind of stuff? If so, how come you can speak for all women when you are no one. Just curious that's all.

RPthrowaway123 · 2014-12-30T17:05:06+00:00

I imagined you dropping the mike and walking offstage after reading all that. Great points.

tensorstrength · 2014-12-30T21:02:54+00:00

they have a hard time swallowing a lot of things

watersign · 2014-12-30T23:54:33+00:00

Talk about ending the year with a BANG ON FUCKING POST!! Amen!!

2014-12-31T00:45:14+00:00

Women have the power after they are 18 but once they approach 30, they have to vie for whoever may want them. It has been proven that women who sleep around are more likely to cheat and if they get married initiate divorce.

Women should use their youth to develop feminine hobbies like knitting, growing food, cooking, being good at cleaning any stain, and giving a massage. Hell if they are career orientated then any career that involves children is a plus. And while they do that they should be dating to marry someone who they can see has current and future potential.

Women who sleep around and wait til they are 30 will really be shit out of luck. Those type of women are prone to cheating more, initiating divorces, etc. Honestly in a perfect world, women would use their youth to not only find a suitable man to marry but to also develop those feminine skills. However, we are not in a perfect world but thanks to this subreddit this world is a little bit better.

bobolino59 · 2014-12-30T16:46:56+00:00

"No matter what feminists tell you, you won’t fill fulfilled if you don’t have a household or a family of your own. You don’t realize it now because you’re young and everything revolves around you, but when you’re older you’ll notice that your life feels empty. Just look at those 50years old women with no kids or loving husband, they are truly miserable and bored to death."

Utter bullshit. Women are just as capable as men to focus 100% on their own lives for ever. They might feel bad in the death bed that no one came but before that a rich single woman can feel great about her life. There is no rule that says they need kids, some women compensate very well with a pet dog or cat.

It's a biological failure to be sure but there's no guarantee they feel that way.

I'm not even going to explore infanticide and women who simply hate the kids. Kids does not equate to fulfilled and no kids doesn't equate to unfulfilled. Way simplistic.

vorverk · 2014-12-31T14:32:57+00:00

Also, imagine how painful it must be to actually find out that you are crazy.

2015-01-03T17:48:05+00:00

You forgot the big one: All those hawt guys just want to come inside you. That's it. There is no Ryan-Gosling-in-The-Notebook romance with a high value man.

Algernoq · 2015-04-15T01:24:40+00:00

Goddamn the world is harsh. Time to crush it in my mind-vice. Rutabaga

BurnYourFlag · 2015-04-15T23:28:00+00:00

Dude women see through the matrix theirs no pill to swallow the beta bux at the end is all a strategic mission after they have recieved the best sperm to receive best genes till shes past her prime finaly a beta bux at the end is all a strategic mission and then she locks down a inept beta

BookNerdTim · 2014-12-30T20:04:24+00:00

Holy shit. Ima 19 year old virgin that's never been in a relationship. It's not for lack of "game" or looks, as if rate myself a 8 with an outgoing personality. I believe it's due to my inability to figure out what makes a person "right".

These conversations here are just opening a whole new can of fucking beans. Shit. I'm half tempted to just say fuck it and smash the first thirty bitch I can find.

From what I can gather, I shouldn't pity women and just focus on working myself and get used to it as that's how it works? Idfk

TomHicks · 2014-12-31T04:39:33+00:00

Old women still get the pussy pass.

Cubixdealer · 2014-12-30T19:39:32+00:00

What happens when technology fixes this???

MisterTrucker · 2014-12-31T17:46:23+00:00

A good woman will acknowledge that this does not apply to her. She may say"there are women like that".

Forty_Deuce · 2014-12-31T01:51:17+00:00

I came to a harsh realization a while ago that women are just not the sort of person that I respect. Not because of their gender but because of their nature. They are lying, manipulative, self centered, dishonorable, and they don't see the value of hard work. I do not respect that sort of person and I refuse to ignore those principles for the sake of someone's feelings.

errorstarcraft · 2014-12-30T17:30:08+00:00

As correct as this subreddit may be in terms of male female dynamics, patterns of success and mate acquisition, I often find myself feeling empty viewing its interpretation of life and goal setting.

Culturally, TRP is a vacuum manifest. If there was to be an economic or social revolution, the red pill would be an anchor, begging for static, unchanging society. Women are beautiful objects, senseless and to be resented for how easy 'they' have it.

The girls that TRP aims at acquiring, seem ugly. And the men that land these girls, are Philistines.

Isaiah4verse1 · 2014-12-31T05:13:55+00:00

Who cares. Women deserve every bit of misery they get.

cocaine_face · 2014-12-31T05:18:06+00:00

A true Redpill Woman knows how to swallow though.

feo83nix · 2014-12-30T20:13:53+00:00

I began transitioning (M2F non-op) two years ago, but was starting to swallow the red pill even then. Even after being identified as female by others, and having identified myself as one for so long, women still seemed a mystery. Until about a half a year ago when a slut or two broke my heart, bleh. Yeah, it's not an easy truth to accept. I fear hitting the peak in my own SMV because of the reality of the world I live in. However, I have made a lot of other changes to correct. My BMI is 21.5, when I peaked at being unhappy, it was 39.6.

2014-12-31T01:31:13+00:00

Naaaw the poor womyns

Couldn't care less how tough it is for them to swallow the pill - no one comes through life without some pain, and for men it is considerably more work

I'd argue there are many woman who are well aware that they will one day hit the wall, among other things

Subtletorious · 2014-12-30T20:09:08+00:00

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foldpak111 · 2014-12-31T00:18:00+00:00

"You’ll wish you married that nice guy you turned down when you were young, and who ended up becoming an amazing man. Now he doesn’t even look at you."

http://youtu.be/jlJvJye9c_M

2014-12-31T06:01:10+00:00

Having read all this I have to say... So what?

Doctor_Mayhem · 2014-12-31T15:08:11+00:00

Time for my MGTOW permavirgin bitterness. Lulz

I'm gonna love watching all these Americunts cry themselves to sleep every day when they're older. I'll be like Cartman on their tears. Ohhhhh yessss! So sweet! How you like dying alone, bitch?

In the meantime, I'm starting to have less and less free time to deal with with them...

I think that's the key to happiness with The Red Pill. Just pack your schedule so you just don't have time for chicks.

juanqunt · 2014-12-30T21:45:12+00:00

The strategy for women is different. Women have other options... even at age 50, old, fat, and ugly, they can always find some gullible blue pill beta to leech off. Also, far more men care about self improvement than women... women just mostly want to live a comfortable life. What you say here in this thread applies mostly to girls who were at least somewhat attractive and popular when young. While red pill can apply to all men of any age and starting point. They never need a red pill to swallow since they don't need to or care about improving their situations.

TurboRaptor · 2014-12-30T22:57:01+00:00

Obligatory suppository comment

corn_of_action · 2014-12-31T05:43:20+00:00

Dude, you have a seriously skewed view of the world. You're blinded by the images of pop culture and distracted by what the people in power put out to distract you... There are good genuine people out there who see through the bullshit, believe me.