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Background of the guy White 40ish year old male maybe 5'8 around 150 pounds and balding.

Wife broke up with him at happy hour he drunkingly told us because she was bored and he was just beta simply. He gave her everything she wanted great house, kids but she just wasn't satisfied with the material possessions. They probably pull in around 300k collectively, with him bringing in around 200k of that.

She left him, took the kids, he became depressed lost a bunch of weight. I barely saw him eat for a month straight.

He started working out (running) and you started to see a change in his demenor, was more authoratative at work and overal more vibrant guy.

He initially told me he started talking to women online and taking them out on dates. He slowly met women out on the town and had a roster of 10+ women he was screwing regularly. His wife showed up at our work to get him back (3 months after the divorce), he saw her waived and drove home.

He now comes into work and shows me what girl he had sex with the week previously. There is usually a different girl or two after every weekend and he has the photos to verify it. He will only sleep with 8's while his wife is still over weight and lonely.

I asked him how he was getting these girls and he just said he stopped giving a fuck. Says and does whatever he wants when he wants and women eat it up. It's just nice to see the automatic light bulb that goes off once a man knows he was being a beta.

I'm still working on it myself but to see him progress is truly amazing especially for a 40 year old short guy that is bald.

[–]panzergling492 points493 points  (92 children) | Copy

200k a year will do that to a person.

[–]yummyluckycharms143 points144 points  (16 children) | Copy


Money is the driving factor for so many women - look at that dot.com guy. Married a knock out, then when he went broke, she left him (and gobbled the male babysitters cock but I digress)

[–]HeinousFu_kery42 points43 points  (4 children) | Copy

She was likely already doing that - the alpha/beta thing, right?

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[–]HeinousFu_kery14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps she was spending his cake and having her pie eaten too.

[–]sweetleef3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alpha/beta means nothing if there's substantial money involved. If he has enough money, she'll stay around as long as it lasts, finds another guy with more money, or until she secures a way to get the money without the guy.

[–]Evolved_Red36 points37 points  (9 children) | Copy

True, but let's not diminish it. Former pushover beta grew and harnessed his confidence and in return learnt that approaching women is no big deal.

How many blue pilled betas are still terrified of approaching another human being all because they were born with a vagina instead of a penis?

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[–]Moldy_Gecko6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Depending on the person (natural or not) and if you were Beta to begin with makes it a big deal or not. I have been off and on Beta and Alpha my whole life. When I was single and Beta for too long, I meditated and stopped giving a fuck and it was no big deal after that. However, in the beginning, it was a very big deal. I'm married now and it feels like a big deal again... sometimes. Other times, it's just natural.

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It's a big deal to you. It's not a big deal to me.

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[–]NightGod1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I also take issue with OP's description of this guy as 'not giving a fuck.'

"Not being attached to the outcome" is a different way to phrase it. I mean, do you want to get laid? Sure, who doesn't? Is it the only consideration and will your day be ruined if you don't hook up with whatever chick your talking to? THERE'S the key point.

[–]1kingofpoplives49 points50 points  (37 children) | Copy

200k a year will do that to a person.

Are you so sure?

He was making that same 200k per year when he got dumped by his tubby wife.

This is the only thing that changed:

I asked him how he was getting these girls and he just said he stopped giving a fuck.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

About damn time someone hammers the point. I personally made 6 figures one year, and made so little money had to go on food stamps the other year. Long story short, I was able to get better, quality women on food stamps. I found that someone following his passion is more important women than someone always chasing (and relying) on money. Yes, money helps enable someone to do something, but many things are also free (taking a woman out to go hiking, etc) are available if one opens himself up to look for it.

[–]1Yakatonker-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of something on that 70's show, the script writers put something interesting in with Bob's wife(feminist, slut) liked a real referenced show called rich man, poor man(1976), and her character goes on and on about how interesting the poor man is while the rich man was just so utterly boring.

Edit 1: Spoke to soon, poor man gets rich too, guess its an evolved plot from AF to BB.

[–]mryddlin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

not the only thing that change, his wife left and she didn't he fatal mistake so many of them do.

She thought he was completely broken by her and when she found out she was wrong, she came coming back.

Good on him, trust your instincts and they won't do you wrong.

[–]panzergling13 points14 points  (31 children) | Copy

He makes 200k a year. Why would he give a fuck?

[–]1kingofpoplives40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy

Trust me. There are plenty of guys making that much or more who are starved for decent pussy.

[–]LukesLikeIt16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because they probably give a fuck.

[–]rossiFan-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. They're beta. Big difference.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because $200k a year is great and all but nothing crazy good

[–]Moldy_Gecko9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe it's the country I live in (Okinawa), but I have no idea how it's "nothing crazy good". I would love to make $200k/yr. I make maybe $30k/yr atm working 3 jobs. I know a big difference is my full time job pays roughly 11/hr here, whereas it would be 40/hr in the states. Even with that, I'm short of $80k/yr.

[–]sweetleef1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He was making that same 200k per year when he got dumped by his tubby wife.

If the only way she had access to that money were to stay with him, she would still be with him, no matter what he did. She only left because she concluded that she would be able to access the money without him.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

That's all there is to this story really. His face could look like a pig's ass and he would still be a pussy magnet because of the money.

[–]Evolved_Red29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well let's face it: Hugh Hefner doesn't have multiple young blondes as girlfriends because he's handsome.

[–]HeadingRed12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

Depends on where the 200k is. Middle of fucking nowhere in smalltown USA yea. Any big city in the US is swimming in divorced\single guys in their 40's making that (and more).

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Overhead in most big cities whittles that 200k to dust. 200k in Small town Kansas is different. Women will chase the guy with most jacked up truck in many small towns. Doesn't matter if the truck isn't paid for.....it's a weird status thing in those small towns. If I go to Mexico City...i'm a star because i'm so different....in Russia I am non descript.

[–]MystK2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I love in San Jose and 200k is still pretty well off. Especially if you are single.

[–]HeadingRed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed that it's well off, just not at the "so much money I can be ugly" level.

[–]MGTOW_player21 points22 points  (24 children) | Copy

Lol @ egotistical PUAs hamstering "it's not a real notch" for guys who choose the economical route.

Money > Women (MOB)

[–]SupALupRT33 points34 points  (2 children) | Copy

girls chasing money is no less shallow than dudes chasing looks. Its like fiddy said. "Brothas be hustlin backwards. Chase the paper, the women come with it."

[–]MacNulty7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy

You don't have to be a PUA to understand that building your confidence on external factors is generally a bad idea. Money comes and goes.

[–]MGTOW_player4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Money and women are both external objects.

Everything comes and goes.

[–]MacNulty1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

We have no disagreement here. What's your point?

[–]MGTOW_player1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

PUAs, speaking from my past as well, generally place their confidence on ability to bed attractive women.

[–]MacNulty-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't generalise. Other than that you're not making any argument.

[–]KeepPushing1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Money is NOT an external factor if you actually earn it, bro. The kind of hard work and sacrifice you have to put in to really get paid doesn't just reward you with money. It rewards you with the confidence that through effort, you can overcome anything and acquire anything. The world is your oyster, the work is the price.

[–]MacNulty0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Money is not an internal factor no matter how you look at it. The work you put in is, because nobody can take it away from you. You can earn no money for it and it'll still be your work - that's how you become outcome independent. Please don't call me a bro.

[–]KeepPushing0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Bro, if you really want to play this game of semantics like a sensitive bitch who got his ego pricked, let's have a real debate then. The first step is defining every single word that can cause confusion. So define:

1) money

2) internal factor

3) work

4) independent

[–]MacNulty0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Ahhh the cat is out of the bag. Look at your pitiful efforts to hurt me. And you're trying to tell yourself that I am the sensitive bitch. HA! You just spat in your own face.

The burden of justification of your premises lies on you and you did that poorly. This isn't a "game of semantics", it's arguing 101. No need to take it personally. The definition of these words can be found in the dictionary. I'm not playing your games, I'm done here.

[–]KeepPushing0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You clearly are a sensitive bitch. It's seething through your words. You don't need to convince me I didn't "hurt" you, I don't expect people to get their feelings hurt over a comment on the internet. You should have been done before you tried to pretend like you had a point to make. When you're actually called out on your "point" look at how you're running away like the sensitive bitch you are. I'm here to have a real debate whenever you want, bro.

Also, go look up what defining terms means in a debate setting. I love how you think proper debate is a game to you. You have my permission to go away now.

[–]MacNulty0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Look, I skimmed through your recent comments to see if it's worth the candle and you don't seem to be a troll or an asshole, you actually seem quite smart so I'm just going to assume you had a bad day. I'm not sensitive, insults are a waste of time both mine and yours. I back away when I see them because these discussions are, as you can see, fruitless - all I got from you is a bunch of provocative insults and judgments, as expected. That's how women shit-test men. Are you a woman? If you didn't expect people to get hurt you would neither behave in a way that could hurt somebody nor try to justify yourself immediately after with preemptive statements that "it wasn't really your intention". If you really valued discussion you would recognize my original post as an argument that it was instead of jumping to conclusions about my ego - your assumptions betrayed how you think. I wonder if you have some decency left to save your face. Peace.

[–]KeepPushing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like I said before, I'm ready to have a real debate any time. All I see is you making more excuses so... You can actually be "done" like you said in your last comment or you can actually start the debate now. Everything else you're taking the time to write is irrelevant and pointless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Amen. One thing I find though, from reading this subreddit, is many have a hard time subscribing to that. It seems like they still need some time to learn that lesson for themselves.

[–]MacNulty1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nowadays this subreddit is overflowed with people who are new to these concepts.

[–]AZTRP3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

For arguments sake here's a comparison from the cost of living calculator over at CNN. Cost of Living Screenshot

Comparing 200K in Manhattan to Phoenix.

[–]that1guywithredhair0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, but that is not taking into account that you are living in NY. The cost of living in AZ is a lot higher than living in NY if you really hate AZ.

[–]HeadingRed5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep in mind in your 40's in a big city its not really killing it- just doing well. Also being any kind of catch in your 40's separates you from the pack.

[–]flying-gogoplata86 points87 points  (3 children) | Copy

BP Men are like spirit broken wolves in a sanctuary (I choose this word on purpose for the irony). We live close to what we were born to do but were never really free. We are conditioned and docile.

Only when the wolf escapes or is exiled from the sanctuary and is out in the cold alone fighting for his survival will his natural instinct and real purpose be reborn.

Us men were born and raised in a sanctuary of feminist propaganda, but we all are born to be wild wolves. These FR's just reinforce that, when a man has his back against the wall, he will fight back with his natural instincts.

[–]BannedAlpha28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interestingly enough, wolves only show Alpha / Beta social roles when in captivity. In the wild they do not, they only show family roles. This doesn't necessarily hold true to humans, as we live in the captivity of society, but I was reminded of the findings of the Mech who popularized the term Alpha / Beta, who later studied wolves in the wild and renounced his initial findings of an Alpha / Beta Male and Female.

It makes me think that in the wild, none of this would be an issue. If you saw a girl you wanted to fuck, you would try to chase her down and catch her. If there was another guy, you would try to beat him up and get her for your own. This is how our penis is created (to plunge other's sperm out), and how our sperm is made to shoot an initial spermicidal shot to kill other's sperm in the vagina before yours gets a chance to go in, securing your genetic chances. However, we do not live in that world because we are not cavemen (we also don't kill babies we don't like, hump other men for dominance or cannibalize when we are hungry). So therefore maybe the alpha / beta thing holds up in this captivity that we live in called society.

[–]ChadThundercockII7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your comment triggered sleeping knowledge in my brain. Look up Michel Foucault's notion of '' Docile Bodies '', and his book The History of Sexuality.

[–]rossiFan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This shit right fucking here, boys.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood55 points56 points  (2 children) | Copy

When it works, it works well. It's amazing what happens when you go beyond reading the words and move into understanding/executing them.

You sir, have the proof right before your eyes.

[–]1Halfjor36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's a great moment when you see someone finally let go. "He said he just stopped giving a fuck". The wealth of information we discuss on TRP is extremely valuable. Despite that, sometimes not giving a fuck is the biggest step you can make. So many men get wrapped up, expending their energy analyzing everything. It paralyzes them. If you could only take one action to change, I'd say not giving a fuck about anything but yourself and what really matters to you is the best.

Major respect to him for not going back to his wife. He realized that ship has sailed and she really fucked him. That would be so easy for a beta. He's on to better things. It was probably a blessing in disguise, kicking his ass straight into a RP mindset. He very well could have lived the rest of his life unhappy and in the dark.

[–]Dextline49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

That look on her face, as he waved and drove off, is something I would pay good money to see.

It might sound petty but in his shoes it probably wouldn't have been beneath me to take a pic, frame it and have that on my desk.

[–]hannibalguy[S] 25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

The satisfaction on his face was the best. You could tell he was genuinely happy once he got in his car.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why wouldn't he be... He no longer has to settle for a vag that's as dry as the sahara for once a week/month 'duty sex'.

[–]beginner_18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

His good mood will get broken once the courts decides how much money he has to give her. Probably going to be 50k per year at least...

[–]well-ok-then3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Leaving him with 150 more for himself than he had a year ago

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

More proof to not give a fuck about women. Just fuck them and give them the roller coaster they desire.

[–]garlicextract14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

He initially told me he started talking to women online and taking them out on dates. He slowly met women out on the town and had a roster of 10+ women he was screwing regularly. His wife showed up at our work to get him back (3 months after the divorce), he saw her waived and drove home.

I know we should be "better" than this and not feel this way but oh my, the schaudenfraude is delicious. Seriously, in every one of these "dude gets shit on, and comes out stronger" stories the best part is when the ex comes crawling back.

[–]1cover20-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Better, how? I know you're joking ...

Better is not the same as submissive.

[–]dabrah116 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

stories like this are awesome, instead of letting the divorce eat away at him he manned up and started doing whatever the fuck he wanted to. Now if only he had done that before he got married...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Better late than never, like many men.

[–]dabrah10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

true that. Im just glad I found this thread before hand.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (15 children) | Copy

Awesome story. I'm short, round, and between jobs. But TRP has shown me the way. I'm focusing on improving me (not as round, starting a new business, not caring that I'm short). I'm reaching the goals I set for myself in all aspects of my life.

For all of you who say something like, "If I was making 200k I'd be pulling it in too!", or maybe, "If I was 6'4", I'd be smashing all the 21 year old pussy too!", stop.

Yes, having lots of money makes it easier. Being tall makes it easier. But there are plenty of miserable bluepillers who satisfy some easy to measure desirable trait. There are also redpillers who you couldn't pick out of a lineup (even if there was a number above their head indicating net worth) who regularly get all the sex they want.

Get fit and get talking to lots of women. If you're new to it, make it a goal to get rejected by as many women as you can in a single night. I bet you can't get to 100 rejections. The process will make you vastly more successful with women. It'll also make you a lot more assertive in other aspects of your life.

[–]NightGod6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

For all of you who say something like, "If I was making 200k I'd be pulling it in too!", or maybe, "If I was 6'4", I'd be smashing all the 21 year old pussy too!", stop.

Gods. This. It seems like every other story I read on here has some supposed RP popping up to say how easy it is for that guy because he's tall/rich/good looking and how impossible it is because they're not one or more of those things.

[–]R1fle2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed as well, but this all happened only 3 months after a divorce. That's a pretty substantial change in such a short period after what should be classified as a mid-life crisis.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Red Pill will cause some significant changes.

[–]J_Ferrara07-4 points-3 points  (10 children) | Copy

Getting 100 rejections in a night as a goal sounds like some RSD crap. I'll have none of it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you're starting out, and your biggest fear, the thing stopping you from acting at all, is the fear of failure, then facing it is a good thing to do.

The goal isn't to fail and never succeed, it's to fail early so that you succeed later. If you succeed early, all the better. It means that you had nothing to fear after all.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly this. For most guys, the fear of the approach is the biggest issue.

Once you've been rejected plenty of times, it matters way less.

[–]2niczar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a stepping stone. This kind of approach has been scientifically shown to work to promote change, it's called cognitive therapy.

[–]phrostbyt2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

As if there aren't enough fucking acronyms on this sub already!

[–]aditas0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Real Social Dynamics. LMGTFY

[–]phrostbyt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

what did you google to find it? all i found was this Reflex sympathetic dystrophy Definition of Reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD) Reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD): A condition characterized by diffuse pain, swelling and limitation of movement that follows an injury such as a fracture in an arm or leg.

[–]aditas2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I knew it god dammit, google does NOT return the same results for everybody

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

RSD has some good shit. And about the 100 rejections, that sounds hella fun, if you're in the social mood. If I went out and did that, I think my balls would grow 50% in size.

[–]mandel171 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But what if it is your goal to get rejected? Takes some of the sting out of it. Interesting idea, I must admit....

[–]therock66583 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would hope he at least gets to see his kids.

[–]cmiovino3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

I'm only 26, but this is an inspiration to me that even 40 year olds, divorced, and seemingly 'out of options' can pull this off.

[–]hardfork1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

I don't know, this story sounds like bs to me. No way that dude has a roster of 10 girls who are all 8's. I would bet the majority of those photographic proofs are just taken from dating website's. It would be pretty hard to have a list of 10 skanks to nail!

[–]SheriffBart421 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This was my first thought. It's too textbook. It has everything you want. A red pill fairytale, if you will.

It's really hard to just convert from "I can barely eat I'm so depressed" to " idgaf red pill wizard " overnight. I'm not buying it. Possible, but not likely.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep. Possible.. but very improbable One doesn't get over 40 years of beta conditioning in a few months.

[–]hannibalguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

8-9 months

[–]hannibalguy[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Its a 100% true. I initially didn't believe him myself. But when he first started he would only do online dating. He says the power comes to men after the age of 30-35. After a while of doing that and then just going out he had a solid roster. The main reason I put this up is he started to bang a 23 year old woman who I would of never approached. Thats when I knew this guy just knew what he was doing

[–]hardfork1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

So you have seen him with these girls? I have a friend who talks shit every monday about girls he had at the weekend. I've called him out a few times and found out he made it up. As a mid 30 year old I can confirm it becomes much harder to get laid... those girls who are left have baggage or are fucked up and single for a reason. There are very few who still act like kids and sleep around... and those that do, you wouldnt really want to fuck anyway.

Perhaps its just the country I live in, but I find it very VERY hard to believe this dude has a group of 10 chicks, all in their early 20's who are 8/10's who he just rotates through...even if her were a complete looker and loaded that would be very unlikely. Most likely a lonely guy trying to convince others and himself that 'he has still got it'.

Sure he might get lucky with a fit 23 year old slut / girl with low self confidence... I doubt it happens frequently though.

[–]hannibalguy[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Most girls are not mid 20s he did get a hot ass one tho. Most are mid 30s but yes he has visual evidence of having sex with these girls or them sending him naked pics touching themselves or half naked. He spends a good amount of time dedicated to this. Single groups bars and even got into swinging. Dudes legit

[–]hardfork0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Pretty easy to find naked pics. I'm guessing the guy is heavily in to prostitutes too. It's a struggle keeping two girls on the line if you're sleeping with them both. 10+ is complete bullshit. If he has somehow managed to magically convince 10+ hot girls to fuck him on a regular basis those sluts would also be fucking other guys. If this fantastical story is true... It's going to end badly for him. Std/ pregnancy / getting feelings for a complete slut. Stop being so gullible though.

[–]hannibalguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude you sound hurt. Most of these women are more than likely doing the same thing. The guy is living his life doing what HE WANTS to do. What the other women do that he sleeps with have nothing to do with what he wants which is just a carousel of pu$$y. Your coming from a mentality that hates sluts and what they do. He doesn't care because he's using them for being what they are bc either he complains about it like u, or he uses them. Not all these girls are drop dead gorgeous but none are ugly and a solid amount are hot as shit.

He told me he tells them what he wants which is just sex, and the immediately put him in the category of just sleeping with but nothing more. If you come at women differently then they will treat you differently. If you try to game a girl she'll play with u, if u just straight ask her you want sex thats it thats how you'll be treated.

Trust me man I had the same reservations as you, asked those same questions. He has pics of him fucking these women I have no reason not to believe him when he shows me pics of other naked women. He has no reason to lie when he has other solid proof. He says maybe 50% of the women go for it when he tells them all he wants is sex right now, newsflash women like sex too and have less reservations about it later in life. They ones that don't tell him they atleast respect him for being honest instead of the whole "game" aspect. I pick this guys mind daily just to see how he works and it works for him.

[–]Pornography_saves_li0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Speaking as a mid-40's guy in North america, I can tell you early 20's women are most definitely attracted to older guys. Not usually for provision or anything 'serious' either.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This story reads like a sequel to the film American Beauty.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

whats with the fuckng masturbating cock fest of gay arguments in this place.

Woman are not fucking computers that you shove money into and they react a certain way.

No matter what evidence you give - some bitches will bang you for your money and some wont. If making 200k a year meant you could walk down your local street and slay pussy after pussy that would just be retarded

Dont miss the point of the OP, its the attitude and sub communications you give off- that matter most

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is the thing though: these women he regularly fucks won't do this forever. Every woman wants commitment at one point and emotional security. If you cannot bring that to the table, she will be gone sooner or later. I had a plate and caught feelings when she realized that I didn't take the relationship seriously the whole time. This can suck when you start to realize you actually like the girl more than a plate.

[–]NightGod2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the thing though: these women he regularly fucks won't do this forever.

OP said the guy was banging different girls each weekend...

[–]tanny_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is nothing better hitting rock bottom then climbing back up to the top . You're friend did well!

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

bring the guy to the reddit bro

[–]MagicGainbow-5 points-4 points  (18 children) | Copy

The thing about being bald is it doesn't fly both ways

Men find it unattractive, women not necessarily so, as baldness in males can be indicative of hight testosterone.

[–]Wheyman9213 points14 points  (11 children) | Copy

It's not indicative of high testosterone. It is indicative of sensitivity to DHT, which while related to testosterone does not correlate to increased levels at all.

Unless you're running a cycle and start losing your hair.

[–]through_a_ways2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is indicative of sensitivity to DHT, which while related to testosterone does not correlate to increased levels at all.

It correlates to an increased androgen response, which is more or less the same thing, all other things held constant.

However, things are never held constant in practice, and I think the process of balding is part of a general change in the body where it becomes more responsive to protective hormones/upregulates the mechanisms that produce those hormones, because of other failures happening in the body.

In baldness, the 5ar enzyme which produces DHT has been found to be upregulated in individuals with baldness. The 5ar enzyme also produces other substances which are known to protect the brain when it's exposed to stress.

[–]MagicGainbow-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think my point stands though, women don't view male baldness with the same amount of distaste as men do with women.

[–]Wheyman92-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course not. It also works with grey hair, or a beard, or lack of facial hair, etc.

While AWALT...NAWALT. Some like different things, the same way men like different things.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Nah, more women than not aren't into bald guys; and those who specifically are tend to be post-wall (source: am bald). Who knows, maybe going after less desired guys is their tactic to score a decent guy. But in the best of cases, hot women won't bother whether you have hair or not.

[–]neomorphed9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don't use this as an excuse. I'm a 57 year old bald guy who 4 months ago ended a 5yr relationship with hot 32 yo (met her within a month of deciding to end 20+ year marriage). Dated a bunch of women over the past few months, most just once or twice (my choice). Am now seeing wild 39 yo Brazillian (Have Oneitis for the 32 yo, but getting over it, leveraging lessons here for that and handling new women -- may tell my story in more detail once I get the lay of the land here. I made a lot of mistakes, still am, but broke out of miserable marriage and have become the same person I was in college, albeit with added maturity and perspective)

Either shave your head or wear it close like Cpt Pickard. Confidence is key.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't use this as an excuse.

I am just saying how it is. Being bald is in a way like being short (the biggest difference being that you'll hardly find any woman who is specifically into short guys). You can work around it, you can compensate for it, you can concentrate on those women who don't really care about that etc. But it is a hindrance because it makes you less attractive for a majority of women (and undatable for some).

Either shave your head or wear it close like Cpt Pickard. Confidence is key.

Already do. It's better than the alternatives.

[–]neomorphed4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't disagree that it reduces the available pool. For me, my age reduces the pool more than my baldness. My point is that if you have an 'abundance' attitude, you can still meet more attractive women than you have time for. So I wouldn't use the word 'hindrance' as it feels negative. No guy has access to 100% of the pool - some women like black or asian guys, some want guys 5 years younger than them, some want millionaires...I don't worry about what some random woman who will never be part of my life prefers as I focus on women who show interest, and with the right approach that pool is more than enough.

[–]Stormhammer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess my experience is different. Like you, I'm bald ( shaved my head ) and I've never had much issue - I've never once felt it was a hinderance.

Yes, there are those women who don't like a guy to be bald, but in the same breath, those women usually don't like a guy with facial hair either. They're an incredible minority though.

Hell, I get more random attention because of my bald head than not. I dress well, keep my beard to a heavy stubble, and women approach, and or will randomly rub my head uninvited ( a bit weird, but whatever. )