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Field ReportFR: AWALT, My LTR after surgery drops bombs. (self.TheRedPill)

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I'm going to assume that most of you don't comb through post history so I'll lay it out for you:

I was in a LTR with a Internist. I work on expensive freelance projects and spend most of my time off with /r/DIY and /r/arduino (diff account). I make small bursts of money we use to vacation while she handles all the day to day expenses. I'm playing on hard mode but I always maintain frame and dominance in our relationship. I'm the captain, she's the first mate and she knows it.

onto the story:

I drop off and pick up my GF after she goes through surgery. She's more than a little loopy afterwards. I'm driving her home and she's going off about her slutty cousin and suddenly she starts drops bombs about our relationship with the gauze still in her mouth. Like she's confessing her guilt without me understanding it, some strange type of tickle truth. I pull over, take the gauze out and starts crying and babbling like an idiot about how she's slept with more people than she originally told me. It's been a year folks, and I've played this game before. I told her,

<bluff> "I know how much it is, Your cousin told me its over 20"</bluff> (she told me 5 people at the beginning of the relationship).

She freaks out and says it's only 14 guys (15 is my number), I counter that she's not including the one night stands she claims she's never had. She breaks down and says she's lost count and its not her fault! Meaning her number is well over 20. More uncomfortable crying and she admits that one of the guys she's slept with is Gavin Degraw. Which is funny considering he's on her "sexy time" playlist. This out of everything made me fill sick to my stomach. The fact that she fucks me to a song sang by another guy she fucked is beyond what I'm able to deal with.

Fast forward: I fill her in on everything she said while drugged up and declare I've talked to her friends and I know everything now, not just what she told me (another bluff). I demand she spill the truth or I'm packing bags. She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know. She is truly a ruined person.

Here's the lesson:

Girls know about the unicorn. They know how to "act" like a unicorn. But, unicorns do not exist. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

Epiloge:

Nexted the girl, I'm not going to commit to a girl if 20 other guys wouldn't. I spent a month at a friends place looking for permanent work. I just accepted a job in Vancouver, CA. Moving up to Yaletown next month with another buddy.

TL;DR

You're not smarter than the collective /r/theredpill. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. It took me too long to swallow but it's done.


[–]FattestRabbit 303 points303 points [recovered] | Copy Link

But her past doesn't matter! That's why she kept it from you in the first place!

But seriously, way to man up. She spilled it, you didn't like it, and you nexted her. Good luck with your new job and don't forget to lift.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points [recovered] (36 children) | Copy Link

"But her past doesn't matter!" Funny. Years ago I was watching Chasing Amy with a work fling and this very subject came up. She was adamant that not only did her past not matter, it was also none of the guy's business. Sheesh.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours63 points64 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!

In a row?

[–]CQC370 points71 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Hey try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot!"

[–]2rp_valiant17 points18 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

hah, reminds me of "magaluf girl", the irish girl who blew 24 guys in a row to win a holiday. Hilarious thing is all she got was a free cocktail.

https://archive.today/gUonU

[–]Magnum25621 points22 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Hilarious comments. "She thought she'd win a holiday but it was actually a $4 cocktail. She must feel horrible." Ya she must feel awful, I mean it's one thing to suck 24 dicks in succession if you're getting a ~$2500 vacation to Mexico, but for a $4 drink it's just degrading, I mean shit she's only making 16 cents per blowjob!

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shows that any sexual thing (sex, bj's and so on) are just a business transaction to them, and you should also treat it as such because they sure do. If you don't she will lowball you like a motherfucker and get something much better in return than what she's offering.

[–]2rp_valiant11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

that's why they call it a sexual marketplace - I bet most girls would let you bust a nut in their ass for $10k, but they'd never ever admit that openly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?"

Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "

Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"

Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?"

Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”

[–]JarVoMarGo1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

true but that's not that impressive, I know a couple dudes who'd do that if they were drunk enough.

[–]2rp_valiant2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

exactly, if they were drunk enough. i.e. their rational male minds were severely inhibited. Drunk men think as well as women do.

[–]no_username_needed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Youve crossed the line from discussion to shit-throwing. Adding nothing but being an ass all the same.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's one thing to suck 24 dicks in succession if you're getting a ~$2500 vacation to Mexico, but for a $4 drink it's just degrading, I mean shit she's only making 16 cents per blowjob!

She: What kind of woman do you think I am?

He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No in a night... she was going for a world record you know totally understandable! /s

[–]aazav2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At once. They were very small and she has a large mouth.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well... at least now you know you have a chick that knows how to suck a dick.

[–]RojoEscarlata7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Its that the movie where Afleck goes to hell and back to get with that blonde qt, who was actually some kind of nympho ?

[–]2rp_valiant2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

close enough. Your homework assignment for this weekend is to go back and rewatch all the Jay & Silent Bob films.

[–]RojoEscarlata0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But those are literally blue pilled fedoracore movies.

There's plenty of better movies to watch.

http://m.imgur.com/sItU7P0

[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it's a matter of personal taste really - you don't have to only watch RP movies because you subscribe here.

[–]RojoEscarlata2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was making a joke valiant, hence the image.

citizen bane

[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I call Poe's Law on that one - I've spent time with enough cinema snobs that it all kinda blends in. I also didn't spot that cheeky little photoshop job!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure as it's been a while. She was a blonde cutie but I thought she was a lesbo who was experimenting.

[–]TheButtiestMan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She also got double teamed by some dudes he knew and withheld that little tidbit. But it was in her past and obviously none of his business. AWALT.

[–]1Zanford1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ironically, Kevin Smith was banging her and she dumped him right after the film.

I'm convinced her 'singing a whole goddamn song in a bar' scene was just her tooling Kevin into trying to launch a music career for her. They included the entire 3 minute song in the movie.

[–]RojoEscarlata0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also if I remember correctly those movies where very blue pilled.

The fat one is pretty much the definition of Fedora neckbeard. Lol

[–]Shooter-Mcgavinn-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No the line is from clerks 2. I think you talking about chasing Amy.

[–]RojoEscarlata0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was chasing Amy the movie I was thinking about.

Dunno why you are getting down voted.

[–]laere6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Stories like this only reinforce that a majority of women are only worthy of plate status.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

do you think theres ever a point where a woman truly does want a meaningful relationship, besides when she hits the wall? Or not possible?

[–]1DRMMR76-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless you've got a time machine and can bring back some girls from the 40's, I'd say you're absolutely correct.

[–]boscoist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

not sure why you think they're so much better back then. The british men had a big complaint with the americans being, "overpaid, oversexed and over here.."

[–][deleted] 11 points11 points | Copy Link

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[–]The_Floating_Dick12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get sick to my stomach when somebody writes 'sexytime'

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that the past matters but I have a hard time when comparing it to "if you have nothing to hide, I should be able to look" when clearly I enjoy my fucking privacy us gov. I just see the relation

[–]FattestRabbit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree that the past matters but I have a hard time when comparing it to "if you have nothing to hide, I should be able to look" when clearly I enjoy my fucking privacy us gov. I just see the relation

It's not the same because the government isn't providing YOU a direct service in return; they're spying on you to simply to see if you've done anything bad.

When you consider buying a used car, do you check CarFax? That's how I'd think of a person's history that I'm thinking about being 'exclusive' with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[–]Jrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this evidence that her past doesn't matter? It took her spilling her guts like this to make him wake up to something being allegedly amiss.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe176 points177 points  (76 children) | Copy Link

I demand she spill the truth or I'm packing bags. She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know. She is truly a ruined person.

Moderately attractive and above women have done, literally, just about every decadent act the average guy can muster to imagine. Fulfilling sexual curiosities for women takes less effort than actually having to imagine them.

[–]1jb_trp63 points64 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Even an ugly girl could get sex easily... I don't have a clue as to what my count is, but it has to be in the 40s or 50s or higher. I find it hard to believe that the average girl couldn't (and don't) do the same or more. This lie that every girls tells me, "I've only been with 5 guys," is almost always bullshit.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon52 points53 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's always 5 or 6 isn't it..... fucking liars

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave48 points49 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm looking for a girl that's missing a finger. My theory is that she'll say 4 or 5.

[–]evilassaultweapon3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

To rule of 3s, or not to to far exceed the rule of 3s. That is the question.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego33 points34 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's more like the rule of 10s now. If she says 3 she means 30. If not 100. If she says 10 then it's 100. And she's done everything. Every girl you kiss just imagine some guy has probably pissed in her mouth at some point. And she liked it. Just accept it. It's just how it is now.

[–]dudeweresmyvan7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like the line from a post quite a while ago

She responds with "2-5" but it's more like 2-5 minus the "-" dash

[–]SoldierGenerale3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, that's why I piss in a girls mouth aswell.

If there is a race to be won, I want to come in first.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You've got to one up the last guy and mark your territory with a deuce in the mouth. "Baby don't you love me? Then open your mouth..."

[–]SoldierGenerale0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude, why do you think I'm working on my game..

[–]evilassaultweapon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys are effed up. lol

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know the hundred plus I've been with have done hardcore kinky shit. I expect every new one has, and twice or more if she's a single mom.

[–]Merwebb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its impossible to upheld the old school think model because of this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You gotta add a 0 to the number they give.

[–]elite5472 126 points126 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't understand why the op is freaking out about this. We should all know by now that every girl has been fucked a million times over before you ever get a turn at that pussy. Unless she's like 16, chances are she's fucked at least a few dudes by 18 if she's decent looking and moderately liberal.

What value has she brought to him beyond sex? That is the actual question one must answer when getting into an LTR. Because sex is free and easy nowadays.

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are involved chances are anything she's refused to do with me she's done with someone else.

So as far as sex goes, my metric is the ratio of things she does in bed vs her perceived sexual experience. If she moves those hips like a pro and refuses to blow then yeah, I'm probably getting the short end of the stick.

[–]1raceAround12651 points52 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

While I would agree that finding a pure virgin who is great at sex and totally lives only to serve you is probably a million to one shot, the thing that just throws me off is that she fucked him while listening to another dude's music whom she'd fucked. I mean, that is just a special kind of alpha widow kick in the beta man's nuts.

If it were me, if everything about the LTR was truly stellar, I could get round the partner count though I would have a lesser view of her. But that little nugget of data is just fucked and nasty.

[–]elite5472 16 points16 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree, that's pretty messed up. I also think that was the tipping point for OP, too. The very thought that she was getting off from that is outright disturbing.

[–]HV1237 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

alpha widow kick in the beta man's nuts.

haha, that gave me a good chuckle. Nicely put.

[–]tropicalpolevaulting0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the thing that just throws me off is that she fucked him while listening to another dude's music whom she'd fucked.

Dude, one of my exes actually said my name a couple of times while fucking her now husband. How that dude didn't throw her out of the bed and his life is beyond me... and then he married her.

[–]3savoryprunes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely right. If there was ever any doubt about her lack of respect for op, this is all the evidence you need. I'll go ahead and call it proof.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I completely agree, assume it's true from the start. I handle this by demanding the type the exact type of sex I want so that even if I found out some horrible truths come out I'm happy with the result. Basically the way to avoid feeling one upped is to demand that she's an absolute slut in bed for you.

I told one plate aspiring to LTR that I would never be exclusive someone who didn't let me fuck her in the ass, she stared at me, made up some excuse to leave. I went radio silent for a day until she begged me to let her come over. While we were fooling around she put my cock in her ass herself and would do this regularly for the rest of the eventual LTR.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I handle this by demanding the type the exact type of sex I want so that even if I found out some horrible truths come out I'm happy with the result.

Exactly man, who's really to blame for not going after the sex they wanted.

If OP really wanted [Sex Act] so bad, he should have made it happen or found a girl that would tolerate it. Not tuck his tail between his legs and say "OK, maybe next time..."

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What value has she brought to him beyond sex? That is the actual question one must answer when getting into an LTR. Because sex is free and easy nowadays.

She's not baby making material.

[–]SilentForTooLong4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone is trying to make babies.

[–]1xwm9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but it's a good standard to hold your ltr to anyway

[–]QQ_L2P0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you aren't gunning for procreation, is there any reason to enter into an LTR? Wouldn't you just spin plates till the day you die?

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Certainly no formal marriage, but I don't know how to explain it, I feel better the longer I am with someone. Everything about the relation improves for me. I may well be an extreme outlier in that regard, but for me, the sex I have with a woman 2 days in, and 2 years in is very different in terms of its mental level of pleasure, in the opposite way of most people "getting tired" of it.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Number is not just a number, it severely affects a woman's ability to pair-bond, in a way that men are not affected. Our neural biochemistry is very different because of the different mating selective pressures we faced in our ancestry.

If you're just looking to stick your dick in her then number doesn't really matter if she's clean. But this was an LTR. If you're going to pursue them, then you need to up your standards and find the few women with lower partner counts. They absolutely exist but they're much rarer.

[–]BlackHeart891 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is pair bonding even important if she's intelligent enough to know that she has the best man she can get? Relatively speaking.

For instance, if she lands Brad Pitt, she's smart enough to know not to try and branch swing to Tom Cruise.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Smart girls are strongly correlated with marriage fidelity, so there's that. Problem is, smart girls are also much better at being Machiavellian. If she ends up landing a beta that's significantly below an 8, she'll still likely find a way to ruin him even if she herself is unattractive. Hypergamy doesn't care.

The way I see it, a smart girl is more likely to stay committed to an alpha than a dumb chick. Neither is particularly likely to pair-bond with a beta, unless they're low partner count.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this entire post.

[–]totorox0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Follow Brad Pitt's LTR history. You think he dropped Jennifer Aniston because she was too good a wife?

Nope, I bet she thought she deserved better. She was younger than Jolie when she married Pitt, too. So she thought she could outvalue him, don't you think?

Also about that guy: http://i.imgur.com/KdrerJE.jpg

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really don't know much about Brad Pitt other than him being rich, famous, and handsome.

Just threw him out there for a surface example.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They excist. Genetic sports, like myself. I figured books beat out wresting strange men. Also, love. Of some kind, shape, form. Love as good friend at the very least. I felt bad, that I couldnt love all my male friends who kept getting wrecked by crazy women. It just seemed less of me, to not be able to give total trust in my actions to whomever I ended up with someday who loved me deeply.

Needless to say, im very literate now.And valued. These stories are about all those other women, that I always thought WTF do these guys see in them?( aside from being normal, unlike myself.) now I know. Nothing. Its terrible. A whole sex, feels like I do. That they are cheated out of having a reasonably normal life.
I dont have children, and this whole finding out the secret life of men - has aroused a enormous sense of maternal compassion for just about every man I know- and every one that speaks out.

[–]elite5472 -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude, no offense but I'm not going to live praying that I find a 'pure' girl in a sea of sluts. Yes, you're correct in what you say, but good luck finding a girl with a low count past 20. That's why numbers don't matter, every girl you meet is likely to be already past any arbitrary number you can come up with.

That frame of mind is exactly the kind that will get you a 'good' girl that got airtight fucked before you met her. THAT'S What you want to find out, not their number.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

Only because you haven't found a way to both find them, and vet them for the truth effectively. I get why you'd throw your hands in the air out of frustration. It seems impossible until you know what you're doing.

If LTRs and family matter to you, you'd be an idiot to simply cave and pair up with a slut, even if most chicks are like that. That's a recipe for disaster down the road.

[–]roadkillza4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are involved chances are anything she's refused to do with me she's done with someone else.

Haha, exactly that. I think the issue OP had was the fact that she lied to him about the numbers. Even though AWALT - none of them are going to tell you their real number haha!

OP: Goodluck with the future job, once you've settled down get lifting and never look back!

[–]SoldierGenerale1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are involved chances are anything she's refused to do with me she's done with someone else.

Absolutely, girls have to lick my asshole. I'll shave, i'll take a shower but there is noway she getting LTR'd if she's not willing to do that. If by any chance we split up I can always take comfort in knowing her new bf is getting my old doodoo licker.

It's petty I know, but I'm not getting the short end of any stick.

[–]elite5472 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Hey, I'm not one for asshole licking, but you got the right mindset here.

[–]SoldierGenerale2 points3 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, if you get a girl to lick your asshole I guarantee you she will never ever see as a beta bucks.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Number is just a number, but when I find out she spread up her asshole for some alpha cock and begged like a slut and I don't get the same treatment, that's when things get ugly, and when high numbers are

Exactly this. I do believe the number helps predict how she'll act in the future. But thats 1 (albeit very important) of many factors. Her interests, the way she talks, walks, dresses, acts, etc...

But one thing is for certain. If the sex is great, she's yours... If the sex starts to fall, then the relationship is going south.

But again... fucking to a song that is sung by a dude who fucked your girl... So disrespectful.

[–]dedom19-5 points-4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't make sense to get upset or angry unless you are getting different treatment. This is supposed to be about accepting the truth and dealing with it in a way to maximize your own happiness.

Its cool that op is moving on if he is unhappy and that should be applauded. But if the reasons are really because of some song and the number of guys she slept with....well you just care too much about the wrong stuff...

Move on though because you already dried her up like the Sahara by expressing your concerns the way you did!

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

But if the reasons are really because of some song and the number of guys she slept with....well you just care too much about the wrong stuff...

Your girls slept with a hundred dudes.

Still the wrong stuff?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For a plate I wouldn't care. Imo numbers are only important if you are looking to start a family and I'm thinking about skipping that part of life.

[–]Ovadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much this. Not getting married or having kids myself. A high partner count indicates a high chance of a girl bailing. With no ring/kids she has zero leverage over me if she leaves, I'll just upgrade to the newer model.

[–]dedom19-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly the wrong stuff and if you've read any of the material on the sidebar you would know that. The fact that my prior comment was down voted just shows how pussy ass bluepill this subreddit is getting. Nobody cares if you get upset or angry that a girl slept with a bunch of dudes. The fact that you even make her your ltr with no idea and then get butthurt when you find out is what makes you beta.

I could give two shits how many guys a girl slept with. How does it affect me? What am I losing? Chances are if I'm sleeping with a girl frequently I've already decided it is worth my time for multiple reasons. Maybe it would affect me if I thought life was a Disney movie.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, exactly the wrong stuff and if you've read any of the material on the sidebar you would know that.

TIL that the sidebar doesn't tell us all the time and everywhere that sluts make bad LTR material.

[–]1xwm2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You seem to have forgotten the fact that she plays the sound track of a guy whose cock she gargled when they have sex. I ain't ltring someone else's alpha widow, thanks.

[–]dedom190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't forget. I suppose I just don't understand the point of an ltr. A lot of times the beta comes out hard in people on here who want to try to justify their Disney princess expectations. That's all. I enjoy life far too much to even consider an ltr being part of it. The whole concept seems naive. So coming from that standpoint, his story just seems really sad and butthurt instead of "I should have expected this, it is my own insight that is lacking and I will better myself and not make the same mistake in the future." Instead of putting responsibility on himself like a man he comes off as whining about how a girl did him wrong. And half of you are eating it up nodding like a bunch of hurt little girls. Pull your fucking pants up people!

[–]waitfor_ittt28 points29 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to agree an emphasize the fact that we should love sluts for this very reason. Acknowledging TRP, we would never date/marry them, but we could do all types of cool shit while fucking them.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave58 points59 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You really shouldn't marry anyone.

And honestly, any commitment - from monogamy to girlfriend status - should have a really, really high price. Imagine OP's story, but being told about just "a girl I'm fucking" instead of a girlfriend. OP wouldn't have been bothered by it at all.

Check this out: the part that bothered him the most, the part about the famous singer guy - I had a girl tell me a story like that and I actually posted a thread about it right here in TRP like 2 years ago! But in my case, it was just some random girl. So it didn't bother me.

That's where you want to be in life. Free - including emotionally free.

[–]blacwidonsfw27 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It is great to not be affected by anything a woman does because you know you will never commit. Just last night/this morning I had a 4 month very high quality plate start Shit testing me for the first time ever. It was so easy to shrug it off and just disregard anything she had to say because I am never going to commit to her so it doesn't matter. Easy come easy go who gives a Shit. The funny thing is because I didn't supplicate to her bullshit she got over it real fast and is apologising profusely to me today. If I had try to "talk" to her about it, no matter how rational it would have escalated to a Shit storm. I firmly believe that 99% of Shit tests can be solved by just raising your eye brows at her and looking away. Let the hamster spin itself.

[–]1independentmale20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If I had try to "talk" to her about it, no matter how rational it would have escalated to a Shit storm

Truth. You can't have a rational, logical conversation with a woman. This is especially true when she's trying to control, manipulate or otherwise gain the upper hand. Anything you say will be twisted into a stupid argument that nobody wins. Even if you're completely right and have all the facts and proof in the world to back you up, a bitch only cares about how she feels regardless of the reality of the situation. Entertaining her nonsense never ends well.

I used to sit for hours on end trying to reason with my ex wife, listening to her go on and on about shit that didn't make sense, coddling her while she cried and trying to understand her position because that's what a good husband is supposed to do. What a fool I was. I should have just slapped my cock in her mouth while patting her head and saying, "There, there... Daddy's here."

[–]totorox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to sit for hours on end trying to reason with ex wife's hamster

See how this sounds? I know. Women taught me much about women's "reason".

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should watch Ken Russel's " The Devils." ( About the possessed nuns of Loudoun.)

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

http://www.theempoweredmomma.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_20121118_173336.jpg

[–]BlackHeart891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I had try to "talk" to her about it, no matter how rational it would have escalated to a Shit storm.

Exactly. I'm argumentative. So I sometimes get caught up in this shit. Things only go well once I lose my patience and stop giving a shit. I go no contact and within a week, or less, I will get a call from them, few words exchanged, then we're banging on my couch a few days later.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's where you want to be in life. Free - including emotionally free.

Kids are still nice though. And we need the smart people to keep having kids of society will go completely down the drain..

[–]LordhavePercy111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right about the marriage part. I've been to three weddings in the past month or so. I've either fucked the bride or bridesmaids at some point in the past. Far be it from me to try and unplug someone who is unwilling.

AWALT.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A great song to play after you're done fucking them is Stay With Me by Faces. "Don't be here in the morning when I wake up."

[–]odileLee-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you do that- and tell everyone, please- get Christopher Scipios sex gel. Its made from seaweed, based on research done by Bill Gates think tank. Protects from herpes- type one and two. Orally, also. I hate so much to think that you poor, good hearted guys could end up with the modern day version of leprosy. ( i study ortho-molecular nutrition, and immunology for fun. This is one of my most profound finds, by way of research. Hes on the internet, if you google him. Proven to work.)

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Well played. Never a good idea to wife up an alpha widow who can't remember her notch count.

Like Chris Rock said, "a woman is offered dick every day". It doesn't take much for a woman to get laid. All she has to do is show up.

If you a figure a woman has been sexually active since her late teens and averages 2 - 4 different dicks per year, that's a notch count of 20 - 40 total dicks by her mid 20s. A beta with a notch count in the low single digits who wifes up one of these snowflakes doesn't stand a chance of having a decent LTR.

The only one who stands a chance is a guy with a higher count and why would he wife someone up if he can get pussy like that?!

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

And that's why a ltr with a western woman is basically impossible. It would be like Bill Gates marrying a homeless woman and not giving her any money. Men and women live in two different world's, privilege wise. There's just no common ground. And it will only get worse. The West is headed to Japan style relationship dysfunction. There's no way around it. Sex is just too important. Women are drowning in it, and men are starving to death. There's no solution there, just everest size mountains of resentment and disappointment. Come on sex robots, you're our only hope.

[–]weirdnamedindian11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even worse are the non-western girls who move to the West, especially if they have no family there. Guess how quickly their notch count rises, especially when you consider that white men are prized by these girls!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why you have to go there. I'm sure that will be made illegal, shortly. Can't let men get out of the trap.

[–]SilentForTooLong10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm forced to agree. The fact that no one outside of TRP talks about female privilege is amazing.

I don't see how female privilege isn't a billion times better than so-called male privilege. Male privilege, even in its most anti-male statement from feminists, is the privilege to work long hours at ridiculous jobs, and earn a ton of money...possibly.

Female privilege is the equivalent of being born a billionaire. Having constant, effortless access to probably the only thing that even makes life worth living...

[–]through_a_ways6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9CWomen_are_wonderful%E2%80%9D_effect

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

More objective evidence that women are superior I guess =/

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Im a woman and I KNoW thats untrue!

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entitlement of feminists viewed from a disabled perspective ( mine, sad as it is but ,rational )is astonishing.

All I can think of is that old fairy tale- "The Fisherman's Wife?"

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entitlement of feminists viewed from a disabled perspective ( mine, sad as it is but ,rational )is astonishing.

All I can think of is that old fairy tale- "The Fisherman's Wife?"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and men are starving to death

Correction: and men betas are starving to death.

Right now it's like an all you can eat buffet, a Golden Corral with nothing but pussy, for RP guys with game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where you live? Cause it's not like that here. But maybe I'm not hot enough.

[–]684616748970514549802 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And that's why a ltr with a western woman is basically impossible

the one question i have for this thread is why the fuck are you guys obsessed with LTRs? I used to think like that too, but once you go from an LTR which has lots of monotony and arguments over stupid shit to dating multiple girls or dating one girl at a time for a few months then ending it, it's so much better

you're basically dating every girl while they're still on their best behavior. every time. then you end it once it gets a tiny bit repetitive or boring

fuck LTRs, the alternative is so much better. save your longer term relationships for bros you've already trusted for years

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why secret societies were invented by men. For good purpose. Like Freemasonry.

Do it! Start the next great age of Enlightenment. It needs abstract minds, that nearly no woman has by birth. I can barely grasp how, only after two decades of hard yogic discliplines. And genetic luck. Thru time, men came to this conclusion. Which is why so many amazing things happened. Because Men. And Science. So many of you see so clearly- use it. There is no time like now. The World is in turmoil. Make your Bonds of Brotherhood! Withdraw if need be. Test your few women of trust, until you know they understand men's codes of Honour. Its all in books- you dont have to re-invent the wheel. It wont be women who change things- they are to communicate the change ( the good few.) thats their birthright- as change is males. Its all in the books, man. I had a lonely lifetime of reading them. I know.

[–]684616748970514549800 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i wonder if there are women in the illuminati now or not

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ordo Templi Orientis- its not for everyone. But yes, illumination comes to women. Given they do things like I did- 25 years ( since 12) of total dedication to overcoming the limits of ones biology thru hard work. Im lucky, I had no life so pretty much all I did. Paid off. But Im still a slave to mammalian politics , so the war for freedom never ends. Its too hard for most people. Those who suceed, do it because they must. Change or die.

[–]1xwm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But japan is a matriarchy! That can only be a good thing, right guys? ....guys?

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Peter Nolan has posted numerous accounts of how to declare marriage done under state law, null and void due to a loophole in law with not declaring fealty to the state itself. Thus no money draining divorce of hideous alimony etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The system can't tolerate that.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Im no expert on it, but hes pretty hardcore serious in promoting it. Lots of trouble for it also. Hes a brave man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whatever the cost, they will ensure that the system can rape men at will. There's too many hands in the pot to let that revenue go. Follow the money.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Render unto caesar - etc. Good thing I store my treasures in heaven * Same old story, new bloody millenium.

And feminots say we dont need books by old dead white men. This would have been less likely had everyone reading Plato's republic, or Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. Plus the 7 liberal sciences drilled in , along with basic biology of the sexes, from a early age. Or something.

( make mine -the " fighten' jesus- " praise Bob! Eg- Church of Sub- Genius ;)

[–]SilentForTooLong6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Why the hell is your estimate so low? 2-4 guys a year? There are 365 days in a year man. You need to exponentially raise your estimates for them to make rational sense.

[–]boscoist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, 20 is pretty easily doable in a month for a mediocre woman. a few months after she told me that, she wanted to get "more serious" lol.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You have to take in account that some women are actually loyal during an LTR. Or at least for some part of it she is.

Some women also fuck with an alpha or two for an extended amount of time...

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, but if this sub is to be believed, the vast majority are not.

So why even bother thinking about the outliers?

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. Yep. He was being too generous.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I thought he was pointing out how high counts get even for "good girls"

I did the math a while back and the numbers were staggering. Never bothered asking or thinking about counts after that.

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What are good girls?... Ones that only pump and dump a guy for everything he's worth once every six months?...

It's amazing that that is the standard for calling a girl "good".

[–]TitsAndWhiskey0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sad but true. The bar ain't gettin any higher.

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahahahaha

Sometimes you have days where you reflect on things, and realize why there are so many mass murderers in the world.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because he's getting older.

[–]theredpoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, never a good idea to wife up anybody, and...notch counts are bullshit so no point in even playing that game.

[–]clearerwaters111 points112 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If I didn't have self respect I'd marry a woman like this making more than me, ignore her, and divorce her for cash and prizes seven years later.

Oh wait, I just described women.

Congratulations on retaining your self respect.

[–]SuperMeatBoi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seven years? That's giving them too much credit.

[–]SilentForTooLong-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How would you lose your self-respect exactly?

[–]SPARTA12748 points49 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I would like to point out the part I would be pissed about is not that she slept with over 20 guys because quite frankly as horrible as it sounds that a low number is she's mid 20s or low 30's. The part that would piss me off is that she fucking lied to your face multiple times about it. And she has the fucking balls to bring up your relationship shit. That is what would be my last straw.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW165 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I feel the same way. In that type of situation an equally horrible "truth" should be spilled back into her lap. After she came around from the drugs he should have said "honey, I have a secret I have kept from you, too.... I.... have sex with men on the down low, and I.... have HIV." Let her get sick to her fucking stomach because that is exactly the same feeling she just put him through.

[–]juanappleseed4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That...is not the same. One can get you a death sentence. The other, can upset you temporarily. Way to escalate haha.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW160 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well for 1st Worlders HIV is now more of a manageable disease, but that's not the point. The point is to cause an equal or greater amount of psychological and emotional alarm, fear, and pain. And maybe some inconvenience. If you inconvenienced with the burden of getting a new LTR she can be burdened with getting tested and hearing back from a doctor. She felt that she didn't owe you the truth--fuck that cunt--you don't owe her the truth that you don't have HIV.

Edit: But I see your point. It is fucking immature but I like to brainstorm black knight options for fun.

[–]Elodrian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Starting the rumour that you have AIDS seems like the kind of thing that might come back to bite you in the ass.

[–]SilentForTooLong-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would she care if he slept with men?...

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be more pissed about us fucking to the music that was written by a guy who use to rail her.

[–]DreamBoatGuy2536 points37 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

I've gotten to the point where I think if you're even asking a girl what her count is you're doing it wrong because she will undoubtedly lie and the fact that you know this and are still asking is because some part of you subconsciously wants to believe her.

There's no point in asking a question that you already know the REAL answer to. It just opens you up to believe the lie. Just assume that it's somewhere between 25-50 and every time you look at her silently remind yourself of her REAL count and base your behavior and treatment of her on that.

"It's the only way to be sure."

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One work fling told me her number, and this was back before TRP and before I knew to multiply by three. 17. When I was with her, thankfully briefly, she was already screwing another guy at work. After we parted ways, I knew of three other guys she was involved with.

She gave great head, and no wonder...she'd had lots of practice.

Ever think back to that one girl in your past and realize you're damn lucky not to have caught anything from? Yeah.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours9 points10 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit. First, find a virgin. Second good luck keeping one. She has all the incentive to ride the cc, her friends are, her cherry is gone, and now you can't tell if another cock has been in there...unless you can smell it.

[–]SuperSlavisWife5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Places I never went to before finding my first and only partner:

-bars

-clubs

-sports events

-late night events

-festivals

-late night concerts

Places I went before meeting my partner:

-parks

-daytime concerts

-charity events

-libraries

-arts classes

No woman who knows the value of her body, the emotional bonding of sex and the difference between the sort of environments that are conductive or nonconductive to meeting and socializing with long term partner prospects, marriage prospects, and those that are conductive or nonconductive to sex, no such woman would be in the former environments. Virgins by choice alone in a bar? 0. Virgins by choice alone or with friends in a library? Maybe 2 or 3.

And if you're looking for sex and not a LTR where you have to wait months before sex, then why would you be at the latter and not the former?

[–]87GNX0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So... you waited months for sex?

[–]SuperSlavisWife0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Definitely considered friends for five months before the relationship, three before sex. Daily interactions the entire time. Anyone who wasn't happy to wait until I was comfortable, who I got bored of before I had a chance to feel comfortable or whose idiosyncrasies became annoying before I felt comfortable was therefore excluded. Leaving only the person who I can spend all day talking to for four years and still feel excited to welcome him home. Meaning partner count = 1 ongoing.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I met my second through friends, 21, virgin, thin, very intelligent, well off but down to earth parents, only has sisters. I was 34, military, going through a divorce that took most of my money, so she had to prove herself for the first 7 years. We married so she could get health care at 8 years together. Nine months before ten years she went stupid. She will be 33 this summer, lives with her parents because her 25 year old boyfriend is such a loser he lives with his. Chad Thundercock he is not, balding, double chin with jowls, 150lbs of flab wannabe is who he is.

She was 1500 miles from where I was stationed, so we talked whike I fucked sluts local to me. 4 months passed and I was able to go see her because a temporary assignment brought me close to her, and I had three days with nothing to do. Popped her cherry the first night then fucked like rabbits until I had to get back. She dropped out of college to be with me, and moved to where I was stationed. For the entire 9 years we were together, we fucked at least three times a week unless I was deployed until I got out due to injuries on a desert trip. Then it was constant except for trips I took alone.

Right up until the last trip to pick up one of my kids after I got sick, she would fuck any time she or I wanted to. She went stupid, followed her impulse and started fucking this idiot kid, biggest wannabe you ever saw. I punted her ass out, and within a month I was balls deep in an 18 year old and had a soft harem of five girls, and fucked some straglers trying to lock me down. Obviously I am not low value, the kid my ex is fucking is one of those desperate omega types that chases anything without a dick, and is usually shot down.

The point is AWALT. They make shitty choices based solely on feels and impulse, not thinking it through, just oooh shiny I want it right now. Doesn't matter if she was a virgin or a slut, they will all act stupid, not think ahead, and jump ship if she feels like it, they don't care if the ship they jump to is sinking. Every bitch I've had LTR with has made the stupid choice, and done far worse after me. I thought a virgin would be different, nope, still the same because she's a girl.

Virgins are not better, they simply haven't fucked as much. Finding an attractive one older than 13 is going to be difficult, some kid will talk his way into her pants. The Arab girl I was engaged to back in 1990-92 would jump to me if I lived in Germany, or even vistited. She was a virgin too, I never got to pop it, but damn she gives great head. Still pooks damn good despite just turning 52 last week.

[–]SuperSlavisWife0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

But if you find a woman who made it to 16-25 a voluntary virgin, then you're clearly looking at someone who has control over the feels.* Just because all women (apparently) feel the impulsiveness doesn't mean all women act on it. Admittedly, finding a woman who is a virgin, commitment minded, attractive and has impulse control is needle in a haystack territory. However my main point was, if you're looking for a virgin, looking for one in the same places you look for sex is setting yourself up for failure. Which still stands.

*Credentials: Wanted sex from age 13. Not religious or conservative parents (all the opposite), but many criteria for potential partners. Approached directly pretty much monthly from a bit before that age and indirectly a few times a week. Made it to 17 a virgin. Still with original guy over four years on. Patience and high standards pay off.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I was with my virgin for nine months short of ten years. Four was easy, lets see how you're doing at 7. 7 to 8 is where the problem begins in earnest. Four years is about the same as saying "I haven't cheated on himmand it's been an entire month!"

[–]SuperSlavisWife0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

A bit flippant, but I get your point that it's been less time than your relationship.

Emotional rationalizations aside and just looking at the facts:

-he is the only person I can consider irreplaceable; parents, associates, students, coworkers, service providers are are replaceable

-he is still first-day-exciting even after five years of knowing him, four intimately and one cohabiting

-yet nobody else lasts a week as my friends, students or coworkers without me hating them; I need long breaks from socializing and he is the first person I can spend a week talking to and not feel drained

-nobody else has provoked that response in eight years and across seven villages/towns/cities in three countries

I would say all that's an indication he provides something nobody else has. So he's pretty rare as a human and unique in my experience. The only variable is whether my attachment to him is significant enough that if I ever meet another human like him the lack of attachment would disqualify them. In short, if I met someone else who met my every criterion, would they be excluded due to lack of familiarity? My guess is that they would be, seeing as it took months of desiring him to feel familiar enough to lose my virginity. I had to want it consciously as well as unconsciously. I don't like people generally, and sex would mean making a huge exception to that, regardless of how much I wanted it. So, considering how rare he is and how much work I have to put in to convince myself to bond with someone, I think I'm pretty safe there.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wait and see. Just one week before I kicked her ass out, she was gushing about how well we fit, how wonderful I was and how much she wanted my cock when I got back. She was sending nudes to me while I was gone, then as I am driving the 14 hour drive back, the texts change, then stopped entirely. I had seen it before, so I knew while I was still seven hours out that my 9 year relationship was over. She displayed all the classic cheating signs, and I knew she was sucking a cock when I asked a simple question and got no reply for an hour, when she had been firing nudes to me minutes before. No answer when I called to check on my dogs and it was obvious. I rarely called, she had nothing pressing going on, and she always answered, but not this time.

No matter how much you think you're perfect together, you can change your mind instantly if some shiny new toy presents itself. Once you do, he won't matter to you, and you'll hate him enough the next minute to destroy his life out of spite. It's your nature. Doesn't make you a bad person, you're simply a girl and thats the reality of girls.

[–]SuperSlavisWife0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He is the shiny new toy. Everyone else is the same as the next person. Every single person I have ever met. I don't even talk to most of my family or any of my childhood friends any more now I don't live near them, just enough to keep appearances. I can already tell you fall short of my ideals for humankind, let alone for a partner. Everyone just falls short of perfection, either within a minute or a week of chatting and it disappoints me so much. Like cheap dolls, they try and stay presentable but after so long on the shelf, after so many check ups to see if they're worth getting, the wrapping comes off or the reviews come out and they don't look shiny enough to waste my money on any more. It's just sad. He, on the other hand, is an ooak all-purpose treasure. He gets everything he wants or needs because he is worth the upkeep. He has been thrown and broken and messed and cleaned and comes out new and shiny every time. I will give him every penny I earn, every minute of my time, every calorie of my energy, every gram of my body and I will like it. I'm almost certainly obsessed, but it doesn't seem to ever go away. It's just a continual stream of adrenaline and endorphines and I will do anything to keep it flowing because I'm not sure I can be happy without the intensity any more.

I sound like a drug addict, but at least it's honest.

[–]SilentForTooLong-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

25-50? Why so low?... 250-500 is still low, but far more realistic.

People here need to work with reality a bit more. None of you seem to realize there are, in fact, 365 days in a year, not, like 20.

[–]Black-Pill31 points32 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You deserve a lot of credit for biting the bullet and kicking that girl to the curb. Taking the Pill can be can be a hard and bitter truth to swallow but it is worth it; always.

[–]odileLee1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You guys deserve medals of manliness. You really do. But thats just frills, obviously a chick thing ( sorrry.) You HAVE medals of male honour. I salute you, from the fifth column.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean it. Im not hunting men. Ive got mine.

[–]SwallowRP 26 points26 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Sounds like any girl over 16

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[–]1independentmale11 points12 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't feel bad for that idiot. He's making his own bed there. A real man would have walked away a long time ago.

[–]Trenstate6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Now I feel even worse. That friend is my brother unfortunately, and he's been with a girl for 4 years and she lives 2 hours away. She visits maybe once a month. I tell him to check her ass but she used the fact that she's 'Christian' to say how she doesn't want to have sex. I mean I like that she encourages him to finish school and workout and whatnot but that's a deal breaker for him but hes made to feel bad if he ends it over what people tell him is selfish. I Don't think it's selfish at all but people nowadays you know.

[–]1independentmale0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The only way this is remotely acceptable is if she's a virgin. I'd bet you any amount of money she's not.

Ask him if she's a virgin. If she isn't, ask him why the fuck some other guy gets the goods but he has to wait? She'll hamster it away as "I made a mistake" or some nonsense, so prepare him for that.

Christians are often some of the dirtiest freakiest girls out there. Virtually none of them wait until marriage anymore. She's not that into him, unfortunately. Either that or she's sexually repressed by her religious upbringing. Either way this should be a deal breaker for him. This will not be a happy marriage with fun and exciting sex. He will get starfish missionary once a month if he's lucky and she will use her religion to control him and police his thoughts as long as he's under her spell.

[–]odileLee2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Christian girls are trouble. Even if they were good, the psychological mind bombs will go off, in time.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn that. If you aren't happy, you aren't happy. Its selfish for her to expect your brother to be in a sexless relationship. Tell them to go celibate for a few years and see how their relationship manages.

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tried?... Huh?... Tried what?

[–]BrunoOh67 points68 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know.

I'm going to ask for details anyways.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

My guess is at least one three way with two guys, partner count in the 40's and a std she took medicine to get rid of.

[–]ModAerobus12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I say the count is well into the 50s /60s. 40s seems like too nice of an approximation.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours19 points20 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

40s? Man, you're still deluded. 100 is damn easy for an relatively attractive girl to hit, and she can do it in a few short months while having a boyfriend.

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I'm hoping OP delivers because if you are right my opinion on women will have changed drastically.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours12 points13 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I'm well over 100 notches. I'm short, thick, was completely monogamous, deployed, or on a monk mode dry spell for 20 years of the last 28 since I figured out how to open their legs.

If I can break 100 in 8 years, any girl who is under 180lbs can easily. Care to guess how many had husbands or boyfriends? Bitch wants the dick, she can get it easy. We gotta work for it. Hell, my 18 year old daughter admitted to 60+ in the last 5 years.

[–]weirdnamedindian11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sigh....your 18 yr old daughter is already on 60+? Honest question, did you find out before RP or after you took the pill?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For the time they were with me, I raised my daughters to be honest with me about everything, and I let them make their own mistakes, while keeping them from serious harm. No bubble wrap for my kids. They know they can talk to me about anything, and I will not lie to them, I give them the straight up truth, possible and probable consequences of their actions, and they both know that I know from experience. I fucked up too, thats how I know when they are fucking up. She kinda lied a little, she is probably over 100, but wasn't sure if I'd get mad. She is cute, but damn my ex raised our youngest to be a hardcore alpha slut.

I've always been mostly red, there were a few things I was doing wrong game wise, and after my first divorce I tried to change my nature to some degree. I listened to the beta nice guy bullshit, and that caused problems. My nature has never been like that, I had to work at being nice, caring, and listening to her. I found treating them like equal partners always leads to the same thing, she fucks some other guy.

I learned game 30-35 years ago the hard way, no Internet or useful book. Trial and error.

[–]iluvpeople8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit! 18 year old has 60+?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not uncommon, hot girls can fuck as often as they want. Shes an alpha female, chews up boys hearts and spits out the bones. She destroys these kids, uses them and shreds them. The weak ones are hilarious to watch.

Her mother's number at 18 dwarfs hers though. I didn't know she was the town bike until later. I got the "oops I'm knocked up" trap sprung on me. I was there for college, didn't know anyone, was working full time as a machinist and taking 12 hours in school. Her mom has a spineless wimp who gets military disability and hands it all to her. She couldn't control me, she can control him easy. Our daughter is a perfect storm of her moms alpha slut and my headstrong, willful, alpha slut. Since her mom raised her, our daughter is going to have a rough time making very shitty choices.

The point is, they lie about their numbers, and their numbers are far higher than they will ever admit. 60 is actually small. I've seen girls with notebooks filled with names of guys they fucked. One had three columns per page, single spaced, and at least ten pages in it. She was proud of her accomplishment, and started when she was 12. That was 20+ years ago when she was 28. Shes over 50 now, imagine how many it is.

[–]iluvpeople0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh my god! No wonder men are saying no to marriage and LTR in the western countries. I am from India btw, the women here aren't that slutty except for the ones in big cities like Mumbai and Delhi. But they still hide their past.

You have any advice on how to make them spill their beans?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get her drunk, don't be judgemental, and wait.

[–]iluvpeople0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's good advice. Thanks.

[–]zpatriarchy1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hell, my 18 year old daughter admitted to 60+ in the last 5 years.

parenting, you're doing it wrong.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Parenting. I was prevented legally and financially from being there, all it takes is a frivolous divorce and dad is out of the picture. Her mom put my kids in dangerous environments, which resulted in both daughters being molested by the asshole she married after me.

So thanks for your judgement.

[–]vagtasticvoyage10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You've been dealt a rough hand my friend, and it sounds like you did everything you could to be a good father when you were finally given the chance. As long as your doing everything you (legally) can, don't listen to any judgements about your parenting.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't listen to them, but I will make people feel like ignorant shit for brains twats for saying stupid shit like that. Fathers are treated like shit, it's always our fault when a marriage goes to shit, we always left the kids, never loved them, didn't care about them, and only wanted money. If she cheated it's entirely our fault, if she was abusive it's our fault.

The societal reason is not that he wasn't alpha enough, it's that he wasn't beta enough, didn't supplicate and kiss her ass enough.

Consequently dads get fucked. Kids get fucked because dad isn't there, and isn't allowed to be there. Zero threat to them yet they can get restraining orders easily, just make a claim. They can claim abuse and dad gets supervised visits at best, even with zero evidence, it's assumed she is telling the truth.

My daughters both see their mother for what she is, and have realized that I care, and wanted to be there, but wasn't allowed to be. They have read the meritless judgements against me and they can see their mother was projecting her behavior onto me. They came to that conclusion on their own, no proding or input from me about it. The first thing they noticed was I bought them food and clothing, and still had food at the end of the month despite having a lower income than their mother, $2500 a month lower because she got $1500 a month because of me. They saw i didn't spend the money on myself in the first week of the month, then bitch about my ex the rest of the month. It got them thinking.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

More than anything, I'm blown away that your daughter admitted that to you. Wtf? Damn. 60+ by 18? Thats insane. I'm surprised she even knew that many guys that she found attractive enough to sleep with.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She has had guys in their 20s before she was 16. She is quite a bit like her mother. Her mother was one of the biggest sluts in that town, I never knew until after the divorce.

[–]SilentForTooLong-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. I really think people here are still deluded... there's no way women's numbers are as low as a measly 100. It is probably unimaginable, because the men here are working ceaselessly to improve themselves, and their lives in every conceivable way, and at the pinnacle of success maybe they have 100. That is an earned achievement for men.

For women, 100 is like..."hey I just hit puberty!"

I don't see how virtually any even remotely attractive women can be thought of as having less than 500 if we are dealing with serious reality.

And serious reality is that it is easier for a woman to get sex than anything else in the world, and women also get far more pleasure from sex than men. Those are the objective truths.

We would all have the same partner counts if we were born into such privilege.

The whole thing seems like people being shocked that people born rich would buy more than two cars or something, and not just cars but Ferrari's! Ok... you would do the same thing if you were born into wealth. And being born a woman is basically the same thing as being born a billionaire for a male.

[–]SilentForTooLong-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I completely agree. I actually don't see why the default assumption for any 25+ year old woman wouldn't be that she's had anywhere between 100-500 partners?

Getting sex for women is literally the easiest thing in the world. Even if you just take the college years...there are 365 days in a year, that's 1,460 days of college life. Roughly 2 guys a week during that time would be 500. Sounds pretty low when having sex is easier than imagining it.

I don't understand why people throw around numbers like = 20-50, or 100 as if they are so insane. I always assume that the number has to be at least 500.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most guys put their own paradigm onto women, they don't realize how easy it is for girls to get laid. Simply wait until a hot enough guy shows interest then say yes. They put in zero effort and get hundreds of opportunities every day. 100 cocks is nothing to them, they know it's slutty, so they hide it and lie. College girls that are attractive have the highest numbers in the shortest time, opportunity abounds. Get them in the first week and you might get a sub 100 girl. Might...

[–]clam61 15 points15 points [recovered] | Copy Link

i want to know detais too haha

and gavin degraw looks like a butthole

[–]Philhelm17 points18 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Gavin Degraw? The name sounds familiar...isn't he that guy who once screwed theredpillthrow's ex-girlfriend?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

m'trilby

[–]Mouthpiece0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who would fuck that guy? He even sucks as a musician.

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[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good work on getting wise and getting out. Lying is always a deal breaker.

It's hilarious ... the justification that "one night stands don't count" and that it's ok to lie to you because she doesn't remember.

By the time a girl is 25 ... if she's had 5 long term boyfriends and a single one night stand every 6 months (pretty saintly for today's girls), that's N=19 assuming she waited till 18 to start.

When she's 30... 10 long term bf's, a one night stand every 3 months and a few FWB along the way comes out at N > 60. And that's hardly whoring it up compared to the really slutty ones.

Sure you've only had six dicks inside you hon... sure you have.

[–]1Claude_Reborn38 points39 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Good luck in Vancouver, but just be aware the women there are fucking awful because it's now a town filled with rich beta's due to the software boom that has been quietly happening.

The women there have a complete fucked up sense of their own market value.

That being said I fucking LOVE Vancouver, I just can't afford to love Vancouver.

Check out Biercraft over on Commercial Drv, and Memphis blues, just down the road from it is fucking awesome.

I spent most of my eating out time on commercial drive, While it's kind of sketchy looking, there are no fucking hipsters in most places.

[–]blacwidonsfw24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I live in a high density beta buck city and I think it is actually easier to pull women because they are so desperate for an AF. Plus they are so desensitized to money that if you are AF you don't have to spend any money because they honestly don't care. So many times I have a girl get dropped off at my house from a date where some tech beta bitch has just spent 300 bucks wining and dining her. The best part is eating the leftovers from their meal so I don't have to buy dinner before I fuck her.

[–]1Claude_Reborn5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah if you alpha up pretty hard, you could have no problem with women in Vancouver.

Just go for a suit, be jacked and don't have a faggy Hipster try hard beard.

[–]odileLee1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All women love a well dresed man. Thats why the devil was suppossed to be charming, and well clad.

[–]Ties5o1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like San Francisco to me.

I would actually be interested in a more expansive discussion on this phenomenon. Playing the "alpha" card in the city makes you stand out in a lot of ways, but at the same time, women have a strong sense of entitlement from all the money that is tossed their way.

[–]SilentForTooLong1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have noticed that while in SF, which is semi-frequently.

I always wonder what you are supposed to do up there.

[–]Ties5o2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you go alpha, by putting on some muscle and enhancing your masculine presence, it definitely sets you apart a bit. But it also makes you somewhat of an outsider- and sometimes you can sense a subtle level of resentment you feel from the general population that you are not conforming to the beta hive mindset. However, by going alpha in a full on BB locale, you are selling a product that is relatively scarce, so you should be able to carve out a niche, so to speak.

[–]Jack_Wellington58 points59 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Dude if she's over 27 and never married and lives in a big city she's the town bicycle. Every Alpha took a cheap ride and none bought the bike after their joy ride.

That's why smart men marry young virgins.

[–][deleted] 84 points85 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Smart men don't marry at all.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of the saying I once heard: Not all men are stupid, some are bachelors.

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You realize how many people live in big cities right?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two great gems to sum up this experience:

Girls know about the unicorn. They know how to "act" like a unicorn. But, unicorns do not exist. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

and

You're not smarter than the collective /r/theredpill . ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. It took me too long to swallow but it's done.

Also,

The fact that she fucks me to a song sang by another guy she fucked is beyond what I'm able to deal with

Holy shit dude women are plain psycopathic. That's sick on a whole new level.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone know what recreational drugs produce this effect of truth spilling?

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[–]Rathadin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

By "forgave her" I hope you mean "broke up".

[–]1CowardlyPetrov1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I want to hear the answer to this! Or any drugs that result in truth telling.

[–]DownvotesCatposts6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are good at lying with their mouths - they are not good at lying with their bodies. Body Language is all the truth you need.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

any form of MDMA. initiate feelz.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn... so like ecstasy? Yeah, I don't really want anything to do with anything illegal, but thanks for the info! It was interesting to read the wiki page on MDMAs regardless.

[–]kommissar_chaR-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_thiopental

this drug is a barbiturate, and used to be used during interrogations.

[–]OKJaded5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Maybe is because I live in the city but I just assume every girl over 30 has a partner count well above 50.

You guys don't really believe there are women out there with a sub 10 count do you? (No. If it's less than 1 out of 100 its not statistically relevant.)

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You guys don't really believe there are women out there with a sub 10 count do you?

Nope. No hot ones anyway.

It's only a problem if you're still hoping for a unicorn. Plus, when girls say that certain things "don't count" there's some truth to that. The drunken blow job in the bathroom matters to a blue pill guy because it destroys his little fantasy that you're his perfect sweet princess. It doesn't matter to me except as something for me to laugh at.

The real problem is not the number in and of itself, it's the alphas.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nope. No hot ones anyway.

Depends how hot. The most attractive girls have fewer partners. It's the opposite of how it works with men. The uglier girls have more sex, because they know it's the sure way to get attention. Really hot girls get more attention than they want, so they are more picky.

[–]MikeLitoris6920 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Particularly attractive women often get bombarded with attention they don't want at a young enough age that by the time they're old enough to destroy their long-term value on the CC, they're also knowledgeable enough to know better.

Some of the absolute most attractive women I know are socially awkward homebodies that legitimately hate any semblance of slut culture and pine over finding "the one" in a love-at-first-sight kinda way. It's not that uncommon among very attractive women in their 20s to be virgins, and not even for religious reasons; I've known a few that have never so much as been on a date. Many of them never get approached, and the ones that do have been macked on by the best and know the moves as well as anyone here does. Women that aren't broken crave the commitment of a man they admire, not attention from strangers; because if you're a man worth admiring, your commitment is highly valuable, perhaps more so than any top-shelf poon -- seeing as how you can't unfuck someone, but you can damn sure unlove them.

I see it a lot among the "pick-up community", the notion that literally every decent-looking woman is a finagling basic-bitch cum-dumpster; and while many are, it's not because they're women, its because they're damaged. When you go to clubs and bars to meet women and that atmosphere becomes your primary reference for their quality, you're essentially poking your head into a loony-bin and concluding that all people are crazy. Such sentiments betray a lack of understanding, or more so: a lack of interest in understanding. Its the male hamster; afraid of being dismissed, post-rationalizing the safest notion for the ego of a man in the shadow of his insecurities.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be very interested to hear what you have to say about other topics.

[–]FortunateBum2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hot women don't have to put out.

[–]OKJaded2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Self reported data?

More likely than not hot girls self report a lower number. No one other than a RP Man calls them on it because OMG HAWT and the want to believe.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe it either. In real life, I know a girl who is incredibly ugly and even she is not a virgin. Whenever I come close to believing any nonsense about hot virgin girls over 18, I remember that even that ugly troll has fucked some beta losers. And I've seen the guys she has fucked. They are like 5/10. Just regular. Mostly flawed because of their crappy personalities.

But she is a solid 3/10. She is really nice and not crazy though, I will say to be fair, but if she was then she'd be a 0/10.

[–]SilentForTooLong1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have encountered 3/10, and 4/10 girls that gush about their active sex lives, and boyfriends, etc... they don't seem to live lives any different than the hot girls really. It's fucking beyond understanding.

I think I snapped a little bit when I realized that these 3/10 and 4/10 girls even thought they had some kind of shot with me... I'm an easy 8/10 male. It makes no god damned sense.

Meanwhile, in the male world, even my most successful, attractive friends usually have dry spells.

The world of privilege women inhabit is truly unimaginable.

I doubt there is a girl in American who is not a virgin over the age of like 15...and that's pretty old. The majority of women I've been with said they lost their virginity around 11-12.

[–]SawtoothSliver-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Statistics say otherwise.

The average age of first sexual intercourse in the United States is 17.0 for males and 17.3 for females,[17][18] and this has been rising in recent years.[19]

[–]1CowardlyPetrov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except this information is collected through surveys which makes it useless. Guys lie up and girls lie down. Girls have sex more than they say and guys have sex less than they say.

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do they find that out? lol Self-reporting? Yeah, girls wouldn't just admit they were fucking at 12 to just anyone.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys don't really believe there are women out there with a sub 10 count do you?

There absolutely are, outside of Westernized women. There are still a lot of cultures that heavily frown on heavy CC-riding. First-generation immigrants tend to still have that mentality, though it can go either way.

With Western chicks, 1 in 100 is extremely generous. 1 in 10000 women might have a partner count under 5 by age 25.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are women out there who have a low count. But its hard to find. Even the relatively good ones will have fucked at least 10 by the age of 30.

And if you do manage to find one with a low count, its probably because she has some other issues.

For example, an ex of mine had a decent partner count. But that was solely because she prefers women to men by quite a bit. But she is too concerned about the opinions of others and didn't want to be questioned about her sexuality. On top of that, she's just very different. In a positive way though. She has an issue with over sharing. Sometimes, it was like, why the fuck would you tell that to a dude you're currently dating??? With that being said, if she had fucked more than the number she said, it would have come out. I told her one day I assumed she had fucked at least 15 people. You should have seen the sigh of relief that came over her face. She looked like she was trying to hold in her excitement. Apparently in her book, 12 people is a lot.

We still broke up over other bullshit issues she had. And me being beta.

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[–]evilquesadilla 15 points15 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, when I was in my late 30's I hooked up with a girl that was in her late 20's. I was the second man she had ever been with. She married right out of highschool, stayed married for 10 years, divorced, and then unfortunately ran into to me.

I believe her 100%, she's that type of woman. She's also maybe a 4-5 on the looks scale... she's a personality girl, but is a great mother and great wife, and very pleasant to be with.

I actually stayed away from her at first because she felt like such a newbie at dating that I felt bad throwing my game at her and getting her in bed with me. It did happen eventually, and to her disappointement I didn't want a relationship with her. I felt bad, she's really something, different from all the other women I've been with.

Eventually she moved on, met another man, got married, and had another kid. All this happened with zero drama from her. The only thing is that after she got her new man she backed way off. I get it, we have a history, her focus is her new family. It would be inappropriate.

But AWALT doesn't mean all women behave this way. Because that would be false. AWALT means there's an underlying force that will push women this way. Yes, they can always say no, I won't behave this way. But given different conditions, say if my favorite personality girl in this story actually grew up in a rich family, spoiled rotten, and is a 9 on the looks scale... I bet she will turn out to be a lot different, and closer to the typical AWALT definition. This is the true meaning of AWALT that was explained to me the other day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

If you wanted to have kids and a stable home life she would have been a great choice.

[–]evilquesadilla 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Agree 100%. But I don't want a family life. No marriage no kids. I plan on dying alone. And also, I can't get past physical appearances... Sadly. I admit my superficiality is one of my many faults. I know I'll start to have better LTR if I can get past that. But I can't for some reason...

[–]odileLee0 points1 point [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Why? Mine didnt. He thinks Im beautiful. And he'sgot game from what I know. Its hard not to be awed at some of them, like goddesses. Mad over him, he has to beat them off like pests.

Any reasonable woman would know vanity is useless. Beauty is in the eye of the beloved. Even if one was beautiful - surely better things to do in life than obsess on it?

[–]evilquesadilla 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes, I agree with you 100%. Like I said, I recognize this as my fault. I wish I can answer that "why". If I could maybe I'll get over it. As of now, that's not the case, so I don't have an answer for you.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no fault in having aesthetics. But putting into context. You have. I think thats pretty large to even admit.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not every woman wants children. I wanted to become a artist. A real artist.

[–]askingtrrrrpppp14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

First post ever in the /r/theredpill from a revived askTRP throwaway just because I felt compelled to take the time to apologize and wish you the best on your journey here on out.

No two ways around it, this situation sucks. The good news is you handled it beautifully and clearly internalized the concepts TRP and the rest of the male-centric internet teaches.

Patrice would be proud, after that admission you listened to the feeling in your gut that told you "this woman is not up to the standards I hold as a man".

Sad to think that most men would swallow that feeling and stay with her. In fact, most men would not even have the respect enough from a woman like yours to even be informed of her true sexual past.

Something inside her was compelling her to inform you of what she lied about. Not to get too weird/new age-y, but I believe that deep down she believed you deserved to know.

In a world with no sexual standards, you must optimize every aspect of you life to get a chance with and feel happy in the company of a beautiful 21st century woman. You must have comparable or greater financial security, self-esteem, sexual and worldly experience, ambition, social acuity and so much more.

Hardly matters if you're a cool, interesting, attractive or genuine person. You must compete your hardest and be on the ball ALWAYS in order to ensure you do not get played by someone who brings hardly anything to the table except for an evolved penchant for manipulation and a vagina.

[–]cosmicartery 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That last statement. So true, but also so painful to swallow. It's rough guys, but we'll get even rougher by facing it head on, always. Not for the vagina nor for the recognition, but for the fact that WE'RE FUCKING MEN!

[–]odileLee1 point2 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Be proud and be manly. Women should want to be what you need. They should long for it in their hearts, like a miser for gold. There is nothing, nothing worth more than a honourable , man with self esteem. When I found one - who is always honest, brave in the face of hideous horrible things ( and he sees them every day ), kind, who upholds traditional ways taught by his grandfather - I knew that I would do anything to better myself just to be his friend. Let alone his woman. He takes no shit ( sorry!) and calls a spade a spade. Ive known hes cried, and Ive had him yell at me, full on because he was worried for my safety. Any man like that, no matter what infantilized psuedo fems are afraid of - is exciting because hes a man. And he knows it. I dont care what he does in his private time ( hes not telling me! No way ), the few hours Ive with his attention for whatever it may be - is worth whatever Ive to do to earn it. And he called me , the finest woman he'd ever met. Gentlemen, I'd die for him. Thats a man. You be one too. We need more.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

( dont let the harpies ruin your lives.)

[–]cosmicartery 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Props to you for recognizing the great people in your life and standing by them through heaven and hell. God I can just feel the spark between you two. Happy for you.

[–]odileLee1 point2 points [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. Its not easy- but Both of us count ourselves terribly lucky to have a friend for life. Honestly - not looks, not age, that a person valued- and needed someone who cared enough to see how rare and precious this is. Whatever comes after that is extra. Im a mess, and so is he. But he told me, when I admited life had been so hard I was not what I should be ( weak, and honestly, not expecting much anymore )- he told me " We are ALL fucked up. " It was terribly lonely before. He is younger than I am- but Im young because I never got to grow up until recently( medication for crippling adhd) so evens out somehow. Id be happy if he found someone ten years younger so he could have a family/ he wants that. Anything. It took alot to get to this point. I had to accept He couldnt be with me and I needed to learn to be alone first. Nothing new here. But once I understood, it was true. Even if Im alone - hes still always with me. Always. Screw marriage. One person who loves me unconditionally is worth the effort. Whatever it is we have, society would never have words for it.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just want you and others to know- its possible. But only on total trust, respect, honour and knowing what you have is more thsn the sum of its parts.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If it makes you feel better, Gavin Degraw is a D-lister who wears a LOT of ridiculous fedoras.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

she told him to leave the fedora on

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Plot twist: she wore the fedora while she did reverse cowgirl.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

shocking conclusion : she wore the fedora again while fucking the OP, reverse cowgirl

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Post-credit-roll extra footage: GF convinces OP to get fedora signed at a Gavin DeGraw concert, shadow boxes it, then OP sells it behind GF's back and uses the money to buy hookers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

look at us havin fun at OP's expense. tears of joy

[–]confuseacatlmtd 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I had an ex tell me that she used to be a cocaine addict 2 years into the relationship. She also later ended up playing her friends music while we were celebrating our 4 yeah anniversary. Turns out she was fucking that "friend."

[–]TitsAndWhiskey0 points1 point [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

"Friend" always means fuckbuddy. Always.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The question to ask is how many bouncer's dicks did she swallow to get to Mr. C-list McGraw? The number itself doesn't even describe the qualitative horrors that some stank vagina has seen. Ho is as ho does.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How old are you, may I ask?

[–]ModAerobus3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wrote about this in my post Schrodinger's Slut. You must assume that all women are sluts until proven otherwise today.

[–]C00l_Guy5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nexted the girl

Phew. I was on the edge of my seat there. Good work.

[–]Samanthaxenia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yaletown, buddy you must be rolling in the dough.

[–]EnzoBlankz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not really surprised tbh sad reality smh.

[–]newmeforever2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry man.

Continue digesting that pill and be thankful you didnt waste more than a year.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Girls know about the unicorn. They know how to "act" like a unicorn. But, unicorns do not exist. ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

I have realized that it is our own inner weakness as men to expect women to understand and appreciate us as human beings, rather than human doings (give her the tingles). That's right, it is a weakness, not a strength, because this "unicorn" (if she even exists) will never desire you in the same intense manner, and will more than readily replace you if you fail to give her the tingles.

[–]1RPB11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Insecurity...I do not think it means what you think it means young one.

What you're saying is that the desire to be with a beautiful, devoted and virtuous woman with a work ethic, charm, integrity, loyalty, self-control, and the ability to pair bond (lower N count) is male insecurity.

Wishful thinking perhaps, but far from insecurity. That argument is what blue pillers say whenever you hold women to any kind of standard (while simultaneously holding yourself to a higher standard).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. I can see how that could be incorrectly interpreted. Fixed.

[–]juanappleseed-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally someone who realizes the insecurity in this thread. Let's expect everyone's behavior to make me not insecure and call that "good behavior".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a girl i once dated had one boyfriend, who she cheated on with two guys.. left said two guys for guy who she had friendzoned while fucking 3 other dudes now writes things online about how much of an amazing guy he is.. if he only knew how much cock his gf was taking while he was just trying to "be her friend". i'll never get into another relationship ever again.

[–]Mazz0 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This depressed the fuck out of me. How much do these girls keep bottled up? How can it not effect their conscious? Lying to someone you love. Fucking them to the one celebrity you could get with but not keep. God Damn.

[–]4delicioustreats3 points4 points [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

She can still get with him in her mind and dream your penis is his. A sort of porn for alpha widows .

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They will implode at 40. You wait.

[–]2Overkillengine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya know; when determining female partner count one might be more accurate using exponential calculations instead of linear multipliers.

N = what she says her partner count is.

N2 = the ballpark of the actual number.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They used to say to add 5 but now this seems more accurate.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL that magic number "5" again

I've only slept with 5 guys is the default number on women.

[–]SoldierGenerale1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assume all girls are sluts that have had gangbangs and have been with over 200 guys.

It doesn't matter what lies she told you, this is the best mind-set to have. This way when she finally admits something small like she's had a ONS it will barely faze you and you can either next her for lying or stay with her cause you already knew she was a slut and this doesn't change the situation.

Or believe that you found a 'good-girl' that's been praying her whole life to find your cock and your cock alone and get lied to like this guy.

Not to spit on a fallen soldier but this girl lied to you, because she felt like you couldn't handle the truth. The truth that all women are sluts and it turns out she was right.

[–]neopet3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good job moving on. Just a little FYI it's Vancouver, BC. "CA" is the postal code abbreviation for California.

[–]ECoast_Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice.

Good on you man. It never ceases to amaze me how women are like this. Also, I love the bluffs you pulled. I've done that myself to expose the whore for what she is.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Goodvwomen have nothing to fear from strong minded men.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was an awesome story. You were hella on the bounce. Quick minded and not blown off guard. And you made it to the truth despite all pressures pushing for lies.

[–]evilassaultweapon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're making me want to ask my gf the questions. I've hinted at it before, but she either didn't catch my drift and is (and was) every bit as reserved as me, or deliberately dodged it. I fear I might learn more than I ever wanted to know.

[–]spicedncoke 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You better bring your "A" game if you're gonna live in Vancouver. Chicks there are vicious as fuck.

[–]RedNocturnus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kudos man. Well played and good follow through. On to the next one.

[–]h22keisuke0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice, you are only one border crossing and 30 miles away from some fantastic booze.

[–]UlyssesElias0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know whether this sounds weird or not but from my experience with women, they simply do not keep count at all of the number of lovers they have. Why would they keep track at all? Once the number is greater than three, then they are embarking on their adult sexual lives and unless they keep a pretty extensive and detailed personal diary (most regular girls I know don't) then how are they going to remember who they slept with? What possible incentive is there for them to keep count?

[–]leDeadHorse 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I still believe in the unicorn, but only cause I got one right now.

[–]nubswag0 points1 point [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

She just has good girl game.

[–]koncept610 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Vancouver represent!

Welcome to the fold... Wait till you meet the women

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Epiloge: Nexted the girl

Good man. Nothing for me to say here.

[–]Johnny_Tempest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a Vancouver in California? Or are you legit moving to Canada?

If the latter, congrats.

[–]cabosse0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I

I make small bursts of money we use to vacation while she handles all the day to day expenses. I'm playing on hard mode but I always maintain frame and dominance in our relationship. I'm the captain, she's the first mate and she knows it.

She's the bread winner yet you're the captain. Shit man you're either delusional or you date really stupid girls who *let you be the "captain"

[–]odileLee-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Really smart women know who should be in charge. No matter who makes the money.

[–]cabosse0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's a contradictory statement. If a woman makes more money, dam right she's in charge. What other power could be the deciding factor other than money.

Are you seriously saying the man should be in charge just for the sake that he is a man. I know TRP I doesn't like feminists and neither do I, but shit man times have changed

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He has a better head on his shoulders than I do. I have ADHD. I take his advice as its never given carelessly, and always respectfully.

[–]cabosse0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's fine if he's earned your respect. But having ADHD is no reason to follow his advice blindly. You are capable of independent thought and analysis. What I am seeing is not right, so far he is saying one should be in charge (regardless of income situation) just for the sake of being a man.

This is not how things work in this society. Men and women are equal. We've got the emergence of feminism which is trying to take more power for women and that must be dealt with. But I think since we are equal, you have to earn the title of "the one in charge" in the relationship, it's not a given anymore.

[–]odileLee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I did. Its not forever, its just for the time. Its no fault of his he earns less at the moment. I chose to do this. He didnt ask. He cant wait for it to even out. But yes, i ageee. Thats sensible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its like a bad game of musical chairs - except you're chained to the chair when the music stops and all the other dudes are off somewhere free to get in other games.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

20 other guys weren't willing to commit to her... But you were...

What exactly does that mean?

[–]robo230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Internist, as in a physician?

You were never going to be enough for her anyway if so. Female physicians ride the CC harder than just about any other females I know, and they never settle for someone below them. If you can't buy them a rock that weighs more than their finger you have no shot.

[–]tropicalfire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im considering the idea of getting a tattoo. Something simple. A word. 5 letters. AWALT.

[–]thenarrrowpath0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

its easy to be a slut, its hard to be a stud

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good job. No need to debase yourself by being involved with that train wreck.

[–]MustafaIsHere 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

15? fuck dude just 1 guy is enough for me to potentially dismiss the chick. 15 though? fuuuuuuck you're 2 generous.

[–]Qwertylad12340 points1 point [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say 6 is the maximum for me and that's being generous

[–]87GNX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You probably already lift, but eight laps of the seawall four days a week on your gary fisher will do wonders for your overall stamina.

[–]1Zanford0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

'Bluff' tactic is brilliant. You say a very high number so that they admit to something a little bit lower. I LOLed when it turned out even your bluff number was lower than the truth!

Gavin Degraw on her Sexy Time playlist is a dealbreaker. She's an alpha widow.

You will never change this unless you are more famous. I'm glad you cut her loose. You made the right call. (I would say hatefuck her a few times to feel better first. This is a hard next but not an urgent ASAP hard next).

[–]Dyalibya0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're not smarter than the collective /r/theredpill . ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. It took me too long to swallow but it's done

I'm aware of that but AWALT is still too hard to swallow

[–]WallyHotvedt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's not like you have a choice in the matter, you know this at some level right?

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"More uncomfortable crying and she admits that one of the guys she's slept with is Gavin Degraw. Which is funny considering he's on her "sexy time" playlist. This out of everything made me fill sick to my stomach. The fact that she fucks me to a song sang by another guy she fucked is beyond what I'm able to deal with. "

Ugh. But on the other hand, if you had the opportunity to fuck a hot female celebrity that you were brainwashed into idolizing . . . wouldn't you? If not for bragging rights. Granted, men are sluts with low self-esteem who give it up for nothing, which means male celebs, unlike female celebs, are easy marks for any half-way decent-looking woman. But women are dumb and don't see it that way. They drank the "equality" sauce, just like many of us, and they may actually think it makes them cool, instead of pathetic.

But yeah, that would suck. Ugh.

"She bites it and spills so much more than I ever needed to know. She is truly a ruined person."

What else did she admit to? Ruined?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I don't give a fuck if a woman is famous or if she works in fast food. If she's hot then I'll fuck her.

[–]1Soarinc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

she's slept with is Gavin Degraw. Which is funny considering he's on her "sexy time" playlist. This out of everything made me fill sick to my stomach. The fact that she fucks me to a song sang by another guy she fucked is beyond what I'm able to deal with.

When I read this part, I got such a wretched feeling too. The fact she is having sex with you while playing an inside joke in her head is just so cynical, unhuman, and narcissistic.

I think poorly of her, but can anyone answer my honest question regarding her willingness & ability to own up to a previous lie, which for what I assume is a legitimate reason (honor, guilt, doing the right thing) is hands down more commendable and respect-worthy than just hamstering for a few more weeks/months.

So ladies/gentleman of TRP, can someone confirm or deny my general belief that a woman who feels guilt, remorse, or shame over a previous lie -- and then CHOOSES to do the difficult thing and confess & apologize (rather than rationalizing it all away with her powerful hamster wheel) is a desirable trait in a woman with whom you are together in a LTR?

It's a key requirement for my close friends who I am very loyal to them and they are very loyal to me. It is a rare trait to ever find in a woman. Anyone else feel the same way? Or am I way off base here?

[–]theredpoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why having a conversation about "numbers" is beyond pointless, it's actually harmful. There is no upside.

[–]Postboned0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nexted the girl, I'm not going to commit to a girl if 20 other guys wouldn't.

With that state of mind, I'm not sure if you'll ever find a girl because most of them have a line of men in their past that tapped her once. But I'm glad you nexted her, only because she fucked to the song of a dude she fucked once. That was messed up on her part.

[–]nubswag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All women are like that, true. Therefore all women worth fucking have probably ridden the CC and are like OPs ex gf and have had many one night stands and slept with over 20 guys. Since they're are like that, should we never date any women at all? Is the only solution to strictly plate women and that is all?

[–]okiepoopiex30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey man if your still in Vancouver I would love to hangout with you sometimes and pick your brain and maybe show you around

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if in their minds each time they were the main attraction of a gangbang if it only counts as one partner.

[–]Shadowmat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shame she couldn't just come clean with it, frankly a high partner count doesn't bother me, considering I lost count of mine over 50 and can't recall most of their names...

Would it be possible for you to shed light on her history, I've always had an interest an womans deviant past. Some women simply come off as playthings to me.

Caring for her would make the song thing very hurtful, but I would handle it in what some, or many really, would consider to be perverted. As I fucked her I would ask her how he fucked her, ask her if he treated her like the piece of shit she really is or if he was stupid and couldn't see how much of a piece of trash she was. I'd then tell her it's wrong to lie to people by having them treat her good, shove my finger in her pussy and continue going deeper even inserting my fist and have her tell me to stop when I was deep enough... Basically a total complete mindfuck... heh...

I'm curious to see how most people would interpret or perceive what I've just mentioned. Please comment or send me a pm.

TL;DR: Tell us about her history

[–]workunit13-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

[–]gadelat-5 points-4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Your response to finally her telling you the truth was to drop her. Congratulation, now she has been reaffirmed that she should never do so again. She will never tell truth about it again.

Guys, if you want to hear truth from females, stop doing this. You are fucking it for other guys who get with her. You need to convince her it doesn't matter and drop her ass later for some bullshit reason.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We can reverse this and say "Ladies if you don't want your guy to leave because you're a whore, don't be a whore."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She will never tell truth about it again.

She wouldn't have told him the truth unless she was drugged to the gills. These chick are smarter than that.

[–]1RPB12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So in order to get girls to tell the truth, we shouldn't hold them accountable when our trust has been broken?

Right.

Maybe they shouldn't act like such shitty people instead of waiting for us to let it slide.

And for the record: she didn't tell the truth of her own accord, she did it while she was tripping balls on hospital drugs.

[–]gadelat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hold her accountable, but not publicly. She doesn't need to know you broke up with her because she was lying She will just lie better next time.

[–]1RPB10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The burden falls to the next man to vet her properly before getting into a relationship, not for the OP to conceal his reasons for breaking up with her.

The next dude is not his concern.

Let the bitch take the hit to her ego; she's not going to alter her behavior in any positive fashion to begin with.

Better than OP gritting his teeth in frustration of what he wished he'd said when he had the chance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why shouldn't she know that the OP didn't want to settle for a lying whore? If it bruises her precious ego then perhaps she should reevaluate her personal behaviors.

[–]russianskinhead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She will never tell truth about it again.

the only reason she did this time was because she was drugged out of her mind, before that she was lying as she always did and always will be. which is because she knows men and their opinion on sluts.

[–]proleteriate-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

dude, idk who you are but you will be an inspiration to my children's children. Serious alpha shit at the end.

[–]AntixD-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel sorry for you,i hope you didn't go in her raw

[–]bitches_be_crazy86-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OK well but you put yourself in this situation.

Why did you LTR her ? She should have been your plate / cumbucket.

[–]flexiblehold-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't quite get why you got so invested in how many guys she's fucked? The Gavin DeGraw thing is pretty gross though, I have to admit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He explained that if over 20 guys won't stay with then it's probably not worth doing so either. Over 20 is way too high for some to handle which is fair.

[–]juanappleseed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is just a veil for insecurity. It's a "male hamster", for rationalizing his insecurity of not feeling special. He sees himself as not special for having found out about all the sex she has had with other people. And to convince himself that this is not irrationality he casts judgment upon the woman as "inferior to him" or "not worthy of him". This allows him to fully justify his insecurities instead of owning them like a real man.

[–]russianskinhead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if it actually was insecurity men wouldnt want to fuck sluts, but they have no problem with fucking them. what they have a problem with is commiting to them.

no man is phazed by how many men a girl was fucked when shes just a one night stand or a fuckbuddy.

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[–]needsabudgette-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, Gavin Degraw? I like him; he's got some good songs. You can't fault her for having sex with someone that she probably idolizes; you wouldn't hesitate to have sex with Scarlette Johansson, right? But it's reasonable that she wouldn't tell you about that.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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