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It's happening. Pretty soon my country will follow suit, since we are pretty much swamp-germans (Netherlands). This is what happens, when the family unit is destroyed. There are NO incentives for men to have children.

I can see it all around me, young people are refusing to have children. Most experts are saying it's an economic decision, which is partially true, but also a lie by omission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission). They are simply refusing to realize the years of feminist policies which have backfired and come to bite us all in the ass.

Ofcourse the political solution is....drum roll...wait for it....

''Mr Probst said the country would need young immigrant workers to fill the significant skills gap. And more women were needed in the workforce to avoid economic problems.''

More feminism!

''That the government of Angela Merkel has thrown so much money at the problem is seen by many, even within her own ranks, as a mistake. "Elterngeld" or "parents' allowance" has cost well over €20bn (£16.1bn) since it was introduced five years ago and its results are questionable.''

Ofcourse the solution to the problem is, the same thing which has started the problem in the first place. Europe is doomed and on it's way to economic disaster. The powers that be have to be either

  1. Ignorant and thus incapable of doing their job.
  2. Aware of what they're doing, but simply don't care.

''Demographics and family policy experts are divided over the reasons for the apparent reluctance to have children, as well as the ways to tackle the situation. What they generally agree on is that Germany's demographic future looks gloomy. With many more Germans dying than being born for 40 years, the obvious results will be a shrinking workforce, lower growth and a struggle to pay for a rapidly ageing population.''

Edit:Interesting comment that highlights why the decline in German birth rate is not just economical:

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

There's no reason for any woman to not have children. Great universal healthcare, guaranteed time off (up to 3 years), you may pick up your old job, low costs (if you're good with money), no college fund needed. Economic reasons my ass. It's probably one of the best countries to have children in.

Source (In German) http://www.hwwi.org/fileadmin/hwwi/Mediencenter/Pressemitteilungen/2015_Pressemitteilungen/2015-05-11/20150529_PM_IBC_Geburtenrate_HWWI.pdf

Another source (shitty guardian article) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/germany-birthrate-low-falling


[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (10 children) | Copy

Swiss here, 60km from german border, similar culture.

Raising kids with femnazis gone wild in the government structure is a hell of a job. Last spring we were back from holidays late due to TAP pilot strike and our 3-grader missed 1 day of school. No problem?

We had "child protective services" harassing us for months now. They interrogate kids stasi style (intrrogate neighbor kids), they want us to pay a hefty fine, they try to send the police to ivestigate us and they are contemplating to put the kid in foster care. Because kid missed 1 FUCKING SCOOL DAY. No joke, i can provide the documents.

I would never want to miss my kids, its the best thing i have ever done. But i cant recommend it. There is too much CRAZY in education.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

sounds just like the Dutch gestapo/Child Protection Agency

If your child misses one day of school, there will be hell to pay. Kids need their dailly dose of brainwashing!

[–]jugol6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

We had "child protective services" harassing us for months now. They interrogate kids stasi style (intrrogate neighbor kids), they want us to pay a hefty fine, they try to send the police to ivestigate us and they are contemplating to put the kid in foster care. Because kid missed 1 FUCKING SCOOL DAY. No joke, i can provide the documents.

That's fucked up. That's 1984-tier fucked up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It' really fucked up. They are trying to punish you because you took your kid in Urlaub and he had fun. I could understand their actions if you left the kid home alone, but so...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im waiting for the fine, which i wont pay. Then they might sue for the fine and and i will have a little speech in court. If i dont hire a lawyer this wont even cost me much.

Last time a company sued me they crumbled at the mandatory conciliation meeting and they payed me $280 for the 2 hours i lost.

[–]Barrebaron0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's crazy.

Here in Sweden child protective services almost superseded country laws. They can do whatever they want to. My parents took in my nice because my sister got into bad crowd(drugs). It functions as a adoptive family, since otherwise she'd be taken in by complete strangers. The amount of shit my parents are forced to take in order to keep her is fucking enormous.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you need to emigrate where CPS retards cant fuck with your life.

[–]Prattler26208 points209 points  (201 children) | Copy

It's amazing that problems caused by feminism will be addressed by applying more feminism. It will get much much worse before it finally gets better.

Protect yourself!

[–]errrzarrr 80 points80 points [recovered] | Copy

amazing that problems caused by feminism will be addressed by applying more feminism. It will get much much worse before it finally gets bett

As it always has been with socialism and socialists. They pretend to solve the problem caused by applied by socialism applying even more socialism. Feminism is just old style socialists wearing skirts.

[–]drallcom3 44 points44 points [recovered] | Copy

Leftist in Germany quite openly want to destroy Germany by watering down the German population.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (14 children) | Copy

This. It's as much of a racial issue as it is a gender issue. But it's 100% a Marxist bullshit, self-loathing, white guilt issue.

[–]ObservantOmega24 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

Leftist Germans are the most self-hating people in existence. They are so brainwashed that they would gladly destroy Germany if given a chance.

[–]Dornerthecoroner11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funny story: The German government is rebuilding the Prussian palace of Berlin and the green party there lobbied the German government to turn it into a museum of African hostory. In Berlin.

[–]5More_Minutes3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

So they are even bigger cucks then the Sweden?

[–]ObservantOmega1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not there yet, thank whatever higher power you want. But we are rolling towards the same goal as Sweden.

[–]RojoEscarlata1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is like no one remembers what the leftist did to South Africa.

[–]drallcom3 19 points19 points [recovered] | Copy

I wish there were Jews, Muslims or Illuminati behind all this, but they're really doing this to themselves.

The leftists are usually employed by the state or don't have any income, so making the state more powerful is beneficial to them. Luckily the Germans don't trust them with economic issues.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

I can understand you being angry or scared, but if you want to understand the problem, then implying that leftists intentionally want to destroy Germany won't give you a clear picture of the issues at hand. You can of course debate whether leftist policies will in fact destroy Germany, but most leftists honestly think that leftist policies are good for the country/world in general and not just for themselves. You may think they're misguided or delusional, but they're not intentionally trying to destroy the country and advocating leftist policies as a way of doing that.

The leftists are usually employed by the state or don't have any income, so making the state more powerful is beneficial to them.

For some leftists, this is true. However, usually is distorting facts. According to some quick googling, unemployment rate is Germany is about 5% and about 10% of German workers work for the government. So even if 100% of people on unemployment and 100% of government workers are leftists, then that's still just 15% of the population. So the majority of leftists in fact have a non-government job.

I'm not writing this to piss people off, though I'm sure I will. I'm writing this because there are a lot of constructive things you can do when a lot of people disagree with you and are plain wrong, but there are very few things you can do when a lot of people disagree with you because they actively and intentionally are trying to sabotage the country. Putting blinders on and demonizing the opposition will only lead to polarization and stagnation.

[–]drallcom30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

then implying that leftists intentionally want to destroy Germany won't give you a clear picture of the issues at hand

I'm not implying, the party leaders said it themselves. Go google it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've tried googling it and I honestly couldn't find it. Can you give me the link?

[–]1nzgs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The small number of public sector leftists in all developed countries hold huge influence, and it only takes about 10% of the electorate to shift the Overton window enough to make radical ideas like feminism and white guilt mainstream. Never underestimate the evil these small numbers are capable of inflicting on others; 20th century history from the death camps to the Stasi, is a warning of what happens when this minority gain political influence.

[–]Dopamine371 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wish there were Jews, Muslims or Illuminati behind all this, but they're really doing this to themselves.

But who is allowing them to do this? Some ppl believe there is a group of people who are intentionally creating this type of environment so that SJW and other leftists can thrive and destroy Germany and other white countries

[–]drallcom31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the typical SJW stuff. Everyone daring to critizice them gets (socially) annihilated. Their voting power is also quite high, so they get pandered to.

[–]DarkCrimes11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

There are people in the US and Sweden who believe this as well.


The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign. —Noel Ignatiev, Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary.





[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gee wasn't WWII fought because the germans wanted to commit genocide against the Jewish race... Now we got idiots advocating for genocide of the white race?

Just goes to show you who is in power. Imagine if you suggested this of hispanic, black or asian populations what the reaction would be.

[–]SpongeCroft4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Germany dies a little bit more every day, and I think that's great!"

-Claudia Roth, high person of the green party

[–]ObservantOmega0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's the green party in Germany for you! Those people are idiots who want to provide help and support for people returning from waging Jihad in Syria/destroying mankind's heritage sites and murdering innocent people.

[–]mryddlin14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's exactly what it is, it was a response to Marxism in the late 70's.

I just had this argument with a SJW, that feminism cannot encompasses the entire women's rights movements.

It did not get the right to vote, it did not give women financial freedom. Those were people in the late 1900's and ended after WWII.

Feminism is just a construct of the baby boomer generation. The word literally only comes into the public domain in the late 70's, piggybacking the term Feminism omto the political group called feminist nation party (or something like that).

The term was used to try to mass appeal to unite under single issues based on gender and was a flop at the time.

Seems like it was dusted off and the message was refined a bit more. Same tactics too, that group was known for being trolls in the 1910s.

Feminism the 70's ideology has only been focused on the victimization of women by men, and using the legal system to perpetuate that meme.

[–]unsafeword 20 points20 points [recovered] | Copy

I just had this argument with a SJW

Apropos of nothing, I nominate "argument" as the collective noun for Social Justice Warriors. eg., "an argument of Birkenstock wearers."

[–]pirateundies32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism is just old style socialists wearing skirts.

I always liked the quote "Marxism in heels"

[–]roteroktober-5 points-4 points  (147 children) | Copy

socialism is not the problem, only the americans who got too much anti soviet propaganda fed to them would believe that.

for example, being able to afford health care no matter what job you have and thus having the security to have children does not cause people not to have children.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (12 children) | Copy

American views on European social policy are generally cartoonish and are best ignored.

BRB Gestapo knocking on the door to shake me down at gunpoint to pay for my third-world healthcare.

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[–]seattleron 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Exactly. The Communists in America point to other counties and "OMGZZ it's so much cheaper everywhere else, how could you be against universal healthcare?!?!" I will pay top price for top care.

And don't give me this "other countries live longer" bullshit. Other countries don't have lax gun laws like we do, not do most countries have the amount of cars we have where people die in accidents, and we have so much money we can do dangerous shit for fun and die from it.

Context is everything, Marxist douche.

[–]a2334240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I read that in the voice of Joe the plumber.

[–]roteroktober1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

its amaziong just how twisted their minds are. they all act as if they are the CEOs of corporations or part of the 0,0000001% of the super rich. those are the ones who profit from a US like system. normal people have a far greater life with a system as it is in germany.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS730 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I guess that "greater life" accounts for your suicidal nihilism and demographic death spiral.

[–]roteroktober0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

which americans are having children? is it the middle class? the elite? or is it the poor living in the ghettos who are having all the children?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS730 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

American views on European social policy are generally cartoonish and are best ignored.

European views on American social policy are generally cartoonish and are best ignored.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

No doubt, which is why I didn't presume to comment on it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS730 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Disingenuous. If that type of misapprehension is such a universal phenomenon, then there was no need to single out Americans, was there? No, only if you wanted to be a smug Europhile.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I explained to the poster I originally replied to why he was receiving laughable and incorrect evaluations of German social policy. I don't see what European ignorance of American practices would have added to the topic. But if you'd like me to be more universal, I'm sure that the average Kenyan's perspective on the social policy of Singapore is fairly ignorant as well.

Spot on with the smug Europhile though.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS730 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The obvious point is that you wouldn't bother to sneer at the alleged cartoonishness of a Kenyan or Singaporean perspective but would debate the merits, or lack thereof, of whatever they said independent of their national origin. But when it comes to America and Americans, you're on it.

Congratulations, though, on being a clichéd, smug, Euro-asshole. I'm glad Obama is pulling the US back from the world policing that is undoubtedly offensive to your EU sensibilities. It will make it easier for Iran to eventually drop a nuke down your chimney.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Iran? You almost jostled my smug tophat and clichéd goblet of Bordeaux there, chap. You see, villain fantasies only remain interesting and exciting when you mix them up every once in a while. There's so many dastardly villains in the world, be creative! For example, North Korea is certainly targeting our major capitals as we speak, the Vietnamese are most likely up to something again, and I myself never trusted those perfidious Japs anyway.

[–]mrp3anut13 points14 points  (107 children) | Copy

Where do the tax dollars that pay for this healthcare come from? Nothing is free, if you force employers to pay too much or force doctors to charge too little they will either leave and go somewhere else or they will never start their endeavor.

If you feel so strongly about it why don't you go to med school, get your 500k worth of student loans, start your working life at 30, then limit yourself to the same salary as the guy that flips burgers and smokes weed all day.

[–]1996399 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy

FYI medical care in the US is free (or can't be refused) if you go to the er and it's an emergency. So we refuse to pay for someone's hypertensive meds that cost $5 a month but we do pay for their $600,000 stroke two years later.

Obama care is a fucking farce and we hate it but the current system is also broken as hell too. You probably end up paying more right now than just covering this basic shit.

[–]mrp3anut1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

So basically you are saying that our current level of socialism is expensive so we need more socialism to make it cheaper? The problem with this mentality is that who gets to decide what "sickness" is covered? Is being a completely healthy breeding age female a sickness? Am I required to provide birth control, tampons, and midol to every female in america? How much should the taxpayers expend to keep a morbidly obese land whale alive? It isn't as simple as the "pay for heart meds not heart surgery" trope. If it was only $5 a month the uninsured would just buy the meds, but it isn't which is why this entire argument exists.

[–]1996395 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

So basically you are saying that our current level of socialism is expensive so we need more socialism to make it cheaper?

Yes. Our current system hits a peak of cost and inefficiency. It's gloriously designed to waste money. Cutting back the socialism or increasing it would both save money. FWIW cutting back socialism means refusing treatment in ER's until proof of capability to pay is found. This means every car accident/gun shot victim/old person found unconscious with a heart attack would not be given first aid unless their wallet and insurance card are found and the policy is verified with the insurer. Right now this care is provided immediately and then later they hospital/paramedics talk about insurance and money. It would be a huge shift in how we treat people and many insured people would be left to die if their card wasn't found with their body.

How much should the taxpayers expend to keep a morbidly obese land whale alive?

Hospitals don't just let someone die in their wards without doing stuff, regardless of bills. A hospital might not give them a cardiac surgery which would mostly cure the issue but they won't just pull the plug and watch them die. So even without you "paying" for it you pay for it. These people spend months on the ICU costing $10k per day. A $5 medication might have prevented this but that wasn't covered so they never got it. It's a stupid waste of money.

Is being a completely healthy breeding age female a sickness?

I don't know what that means. It sounds like you're upset that your premiums also go to cover things like birth control. Considering each birth costs $20k+, and a lifetime of birth control will never be 10% of that, you should be happy they are taking contraception. Again, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. The only way you won't actually pay for these things is if you have an insurer that only covers males or you completely avoid the insurance industry entirely. Until Obamacare you were allowed to simply not have any insurance at all and cover any bills that come up yourself. However, medical bills are far and away the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US so bear that in mind. If you get hit by a drunk driver you might end up still paying hundreds of thousands out of pocket and never be able to work again. Few people can weather such a scenario.

If it was only $5 a month the uninsured would just buy the meds

You give them far too much credit. Try being more cynical. Many of these people won't even take them if they're free but they have to walk to the pharmacy to get them.

[–]reckttt 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Though I agree with you that this system is extremely wasteful, letting the uninsured die is the worst possible way to address this. What if you were in a car accident and you needed blood immediately. Should the hospital let you bleed out wile trying to call the insurance company?

[–]1996390 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not advocating for such a system, I was just explaining to the other guy what exactly it would mean if we stopped providing "free" care at ED's.

[–]curiousthis-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

Obama care is a fucking farce

Why is it a farce?

It does two things that were very badly needed:

  1. limit the administrative component of your premium (i.e. insurers must spend most of the money they get in premiums on actual healthcare and not on bonuses to execs).

  2. prevent insurers from refusing to insure anyone for any reason. Prior to obamacare for example, if you had insurance through work, had to visit the emergency room for an actual emergency, then lost your job, you would be denied insurance coverage if you tried to buy it on your own because of that emergency room visit ("pre-existing condition"). Now, they cannot deny you - but they can charge you a lot, which is fair. I would rather pay $800/month in insurance so that I can avoid a $100K bill later. Prior to obamacare I would not be able to do that.

[–]1996397 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

First of all Obamacare is primarily a tax on healthy young men which transfers wealth to women and the elderly. It requires young men who use no or very little medical care to pay into a system which gives care to expensive women and elderly. Men are not using the care and they do not need it but they are paying for it all. Previously you were able to opt out of this system but that is no longer the case.

Those two features you mentioned are great and were needed. However it continues to involve for-profit insurance companies in this system which is a limp dick half measure. They're a cancer in the health system, all they do is run up costs and provide literally zero benefit for anyone. The insurance companies managed to get this law passed which actually requires all Americans to buy their bullshit product. They are the reason that you pay $52 for 2 aspirin in a hospital and a bag of saline (salt water) is $38. It's a scam, through and through, and they got themselves a mandate that all people have to buy their shit.

[–]curiousthis1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Previously you were able to opt out of this system

You're still able to opt out of it by paying a "fee". I just saw that it almost doubled from 2014.

The annual fee for not having insurance in 2015 is $325 per adult and $162.50 per child (up to $975 for a family).

It's a scam, through and through, and they got themselves a mandate that all people have to buy their shit.

You're more right than you know. Obama actually opposed forcing people to buy insurance but had to give in when he realized that was the only way to get the law to pass.

You may not know this but the he made it easy to opt out by leaving in a very large loophole in the law:

"In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure."

There would also be no liens or levies placed on property for failure to pay.

Instead, the law would allow the government to collect the tax by deducting it from any IRS tax-refund checks or other government payments.

[–]roteroktober6 points7 points  (93 children) | Copy

think about it this way: everybody pays x% into one account. when 1 person gets sick, the overs that are not sick pay his treatment.

since it will never happen that everybody will be sick at the same time and many never get seriously sick it works out in the end.

at the end of the day the insurence companies still make HUGE profits in germany and if you can afford it you can leave the mandatory healthcare and buy private insurence.

If you feel so strongly about it why don't you go to med school, get your 500k worth of student loans, start your working life at 30, then limit yourself to the same salary as the guy that flips burgers and smokes weed all day.

what the fuck is this bullshit? Doctors in germany do not earn the same as burger flippers. however, the doctor pays taxes and fom these taxes the burger flipper will get treatment for whatever heahlth issue he may have, as it should be in a civilized society.

its way better than to live in a coujntry like the USA where getting sick means being bankrupt. or being overcharged by 500% for medical treatment, or to be exploted by the corporations.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (27 children) | Copy

If hospitals are guaranteed to get paid regardless of the prices they set, what incentive do they have to set lower prices and operate efficiently?

[–]Trufflesaurus 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

Are you referencing America here? Because America's hospitals AND health insurance companies over charge by ridiculous amount. The truth of the matter is that anywhere there is Healthcare available there will be a huge markup on the cost. Their health is literally the most important thing to the majority of people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Supply and demand can drive prices lower (and will, especially as diagnostics prices fall). Price is formed at the margin, it's not a function of how important something is to people.

[–]1996390 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Supply and demand can drive prices lower

Healthcare is not a free market, this is part of the reason the prices are so stupid. No competition = no supply/demand interactions.

[–]Ch1pp3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hospitals have a budget they have to stay under but really the savings don't come from efficiency but from bulk buying. If you have a huge nationalised healthcare system you can say to Pharmaceutical companies "You can supply the whole country if you can do X price" whereas in the US drugs and equipment are sold hospital by hospital with much of the cost passed onto the consumer.

[–]seattleron 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, a huge nationalized healthcare system ran by a bunch of fucking liars and cooks. Yeah I want them telling me which companies can sell me medicine.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If hospitals are guaranteed to get paid regardless of the prices they set, what incentive do they have to set lower prices and operate efficiently?

The hospitals don't set the price.

[–]roteroktober0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy

the insurence companies will not pay the hospitals whatever the hospitols want. the corperations that pay the hospitals will make sure that they are not overcharged, you can bet your ass on that.

its in the US where hospitals overcharge individuals by 500% at times.

[–]SgtBrutalisk11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are right, here in Eastern Europe tooth extraction with 2 shots of anesthetic costs 15$, without any insurance or paperwork. In the US, that would probably be couple hundred bucks.

[–]Evileddie131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Try $800 for starters. Oh, Insurance covers some of that. Americans, next time you go just to SEE your doctor, tell them your self pay. Immediate 30% discount. Why? Insurance companies get that 30%.

[–]BigAl2656 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

The reason many of our hospitals charge so much is to cover the cost of all the people on Medicare/Medicaid, which doesn't pay the hospitals or doctors even close to what healthcare costs. I worked for one of the nation's largest medical billing companies for several years, trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

[–]thefisherman19616 points7 points  (41 children) | Copy

think about it this way: everybody pays x% into one account. when 1 person gets sick, the overs that are not sick pay his treatment.

since it will never happen that everybody will be sick at the same time and many never get seriously sick it works out in the end.

at the end of the day the insurence companies still make HUGE profits in germany and if you can afford it you can leave the mandatory healthcare and buy private insurence.

There's nothing wrong with that - if it's done voluntarily. The problem is that it's compulsory. I am required to pay for the health insurance of others, and if I don't, a bunch of thugs are going to come to my house and kidnap me at gunpoint.

If it was such a great idea, you wouldn't need to force it on people.

its way better than to live in a coujntry like the USA where getting sick means being bankrupt. or being overcharged by 500% for medical treatment, or to be exploted by the corporations.

The real root of the healthcare problem is the cost. Right now, the UK has the best overall healthcare system in the world. The U.S. has the highest quality care, but it's too expensive and inequitably distributed. In the early 60s, the U.S. was spending about 1/3 the amount of money (public and private combined) per person, adjusted for inflation, as the U.K. is today. Everybody had access to healthcare. We had the best heathcare system in the world; and it was better than the modern UK system because it was cheaper and we had better access.

This was all before the government started massively involving itself and we had a relatively free market system. There is a very strong correlation between the amount the US government is involved in the healthcare system and how expensive it is.

Do the math. Making health insurance compulsory doesn't solve the problem of the cost of healthcare. It's a statist solution to a statist problem, just like the feminist SJW's in the OP's example. It's the only thing statists understand. Feminists do not understand the free market in the sexual marketplace just as statists do not understand the free market in the overall economy.

[–]Manuel_S6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

Strange how so much faith is put in corporations by americans. You truly believe it works better if unregulated. We don't trust them so much, or politicians for that matter. They will abuse always when given the chance.

Its a different paradigm. In europe, going bankrupt because of bad health is seen as, quite simply, uncivilized.

Quite the opposite over there. It feels like you enjoy knowing that someone couldn't afford insurance and got crippled or dead because of it. Makes you feel good, because of course it wouldn't happen to you. He should have taken responsibility and so on. There's a lesson in moral for all to see, may the grave not spit his loser ass out again.

Then again, when accident strikes and people fall in trouble, thats when the tune changes.

Best doctors in the world and all that, but I'd still take my chances with any european medical system than in the states.

Don't think I'm going "USA sucks, hooray europe" here; there is great stuff in america.

But you can keep your healthcare and student debt system. They seem abusive systems to us, and so do your marriage laws. I know often you automatically think your system must be always better, but I'll give you an example any TRPer will understand.

Know how a prenup works here? When marrying, there's 3 options: Full communion of property, communion of acquired property, full separation. Done. No challenging afterwards. You only use prenups to protect children you already have. Alimonies to be granted are only in case of need if the spouse doesn't work, and limited. Yes there is child support, but it is capped - it doesn't baloon with your salary. The court does not say you have a earning capacity of X. You have what you have.

Yes being foolish and getting a house together is always going to be a mess, but its not nearly as crippling a system.

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

You are confused. I don't support the existence of corporations, period, because they are inventions of the state; they do not exist in a free market. The current U.S. healthcare system is a statist system and I do not support it either. It is not free market in any way shape or form.

Besides, just because I support people voluntarily taking care of the poor and sick instead of using violent coercion to take care of them does not mean I enjoy seeing people in anguish. That's a dishonest straw man and you know it.

As far as student loan debt goes, college was also insanely cheap in the US half a century ago. The reason it's not is because the US govt backs student loans, which creates a moral hazard, and therefore colleges have no incentive to control their costs.

[–]seattleron 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

I hope all the foreigners are reading your posts to be educated on reality, rather than getting their U.S. news from Jon Stewart and John Oliver.

[–]thefisherman19611 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

And it's easier to post these views in this sub because the people around here are much more open minded when it comes to free market economics because they perfectly describe the pricing structure (SMV/value of a pussy/etc) in the dating world. In any of the default subs, I would have been downvoted immediately.

[–]roteroktober3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy


they have statistics for the cost per capita, the US being the msot expensive.

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm talking about in the 60s, not today. US healthcare costs are outrageous.

[–]seattleron 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Fuck I wish I could guild you right now. Spot on on so many levels.

Can you link some of that info from the 60's? My grandfather was telling g me about healthcare back then and how cheap and efficient it was. And to think Obama has fucked it up so much more than it ever was before. Makes me want to pukez

[–]3savoryprunes1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If it was such a great idea, you wouldn't need to force it on people.

You have to force it on some people. Some are willing and most will pay just because they don't like to think too deeply about anything and because everyone else pays anyway.

This is how it works with taxes. If you make it completely optional and inform everyone of how optional it is, then no one will pay. The result in the case of federal income tax is that we would have no government, hence no military, and we would be invaded by other countries.

My point is, just because it's more or less forced doesn't make it a bad idea. The forced aspect is necessary to overcome the selfishness at the individual level that would quickly lead to a national crisis.

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You have to force it on some people. Some are willing and most will pay just because they don't like to think too deeply about anything and because everyone else pays anyway.

You can't just force it on some people. Laws apply to everybody, not just certain people.

This is how it works with taxes. If you make it completely optional and inform everyone of how optional it is, then no one will pay. The result in the case of federal income tax is that we would have no government, hence no military, and we would be invaded by other countries.

Having no government does not mean we would not have a way of protecting ourselves from invasion.

My point is, just because it's more or less forced doesn't make it a bad idea. The forced aspect is necessary to overcome the selfishness at the individual level that would quickly lead to a national crisis.

Because the selfishness of the collective is somehow superior to the selfishness of the individual? Who are you to decide whether the selfishness of the individual is immoral or not, so long as he is not initiating force against other individuals?

[–]roteroktober-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

There's nothing wrong with that - if it's done voluntarily. The problem is that it's compulsory. I am required to pay for the health insurance of others, and if I don't, a bunch of thugs are going to come to my house and kidnap me at gunpoint.

you can opt out and get private insurence.

why you woule believe that a coperation without any rules would have your best interests in mind is beyond me. you have so little trust in a gov. (i admit, i wouldnt trust the american gov. either) but a coperation in a completely free market, they wouldnt ecxploit you, right? they wouldnt eventually build a monopoly and do whatever the fuck they want for profit.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is reddit bro...the U.S. is never wrong or broken, it's all because ethnic diversity and large population and _insert_irrelevant_reason.

[–]Phuk_The_Fat_Admins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Getting sick doesn't mean going bankrupt, this is the biggest easily debunk-able trope repeated by supposedly intelligent Europeans on a daily basis. Reading the sob stories on reddit does not provide a realistic view into the reality of US healthcare.

The problem is that NOT ENOUGH people are bankrupted by medical problems. People with insurance such as myself, tend to live in a bubble. I go to John Hopkins for healthcare. Rated by multiple entities as one of the best providers on the planet. Of the top 10 provider on the planet, half or more are located in the US. Because this quality of healthcare is available to many, and the close mindedness of those who have never been destitute, not enough people want complete overhaul.

I personally think single payer is a better model. But only because I am able to look outside of my situation and realize others may not have the same opportunities.

If more Americans were suffering financial problems, political change would be possible. Instead, we have a percentage who gets fucked, and everyone else who is fine and doesn't give a shit. Voters do not want their healthcare model to change, because they aren't getting fucked. At least not enough of them.

The best thing for creating a single payer healthcare system would be if getting sick automatically resulted in bankruptcy. That's not happening to enough people to drive public opinion.

And it really doesn't help when the press finds out that rich foreign politicians are leaving their government run healthcare utopia in Europe or Canada to have surgeries done in the US. That only reinforces the opinions of ignorant voters that socialized healthcare will result in diminished quality.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Where do the tax dollars that pay for this healthcare come from?

where does a company paid insurance scheme come from? (hint, the consumers of that companies product). in fact, it works out cheaper to cut out all the middle men and give everyone a decent level of coverage paid for by taxes.

if you force employers to pay too much or force doctors to charge too little they will either leave and go somewhere else or they will never start their endeavor.

Yes, that TOTALLY happened in Europe. Not like we have medical scientists coming from all over the world... /s

If you feel so strongly about it why don't you go to med school, get your 500k worth of student loans, start your working life at 30, then limit yourself to the same salary as the guy that flips burgers and smokes weed all day.

OR, doctors could be paid a decent wage, just like they are in the UK?

[–]Anderfail1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Socialism is the fucking problem. This shit is what led to every single problem we see with feminism nowadays. The idea that people deserve to have something for nothing is poisonous.

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[–]seattleron 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

Bullshit. I should not have to pay for another person's insurance. You know who should have to pay for ta person's insurance? THEY FUCKING SHOULD!

Obamacare is a fucking stupid, ridiculous law. Making one group pay more to fund another is just Marxism lite. And this isn't about "poor people having insurance" as the short sighted, ignorant freeloaders say. We had insurance for poor people and childres, it's called medicaid, started half century ago. We also have "free" insurance for old people called Medicare. Obamacare is some bullshit law that forces one set of people to subsidize others whether they want to or not (don't give me this bullshit that that's what regular insurance does, because before you didn't have to fucking buy it if you didn't want to). \

Absolutely fucking sickening, unamerican, and unfuckingconstitutional. If not for Justice Roberts turning his back on Americans, this dumbass law would have been flushed down the toilet.

God can only hope King v. Burwell goes the way of the American people. The majority of the country doesn't like the law or want it, no matter how much the doofus in Washington triumphs his shit achievement.

That's sure something I'd want to be known for, something the majority of Americans hate.

[–]curiousthis1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

Bullshit. I should not have to pay for another person's insurance. You know who should have to pay for ta person's insurance? THEY FUCKING SHOULD!

I'm going to put on my old-person hat and explain the way insurance works: When you buy health insurance, the insurer figures out ("guesses") their potential liability and puts you into a group. And all the members of that group subsidize each other.

Have health insurance through your work? Congratulations. You're paying for Bob in accounting who lives on fast food and cola, refuses to listen to his doctor and ends up having to go to the emergency room about every year. You'll end up paying for his hip replacement and stent/bypass surgery too.

Don't have health insurance through work, but have bought your own? Congratulations: you are a member of the group that consists of everyone with your demographics who have purchased their own insurance, and you're paying for supporting the sickest members of that group.

(don't give me this bullshit that that's what regular insurance does, because before you didn't have to fucking buy it if you didn't want to).

You don't have to buy health insurance now if you don't want to either. But it will cost you :

The annual fee for not having insurance in 2014 is $95 per adult and $47.50 per child (up to $285 for a family), or it’s 1% of your household income above the tax return filing threshold for your filing status.

Consider it the cost of doing business.

[–]roteroktober0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bullshit. I should not have to pay for another person's insurance.

when you get sick you will money as well. and you will get sick. and your wife, children, brother, friends. everybody profits, you are not left out.

[–]Evileddie130 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

If you want an America, where it's every man for himself, then that's fine. I'm sure I can find an immigrant to do you job at 90% less than what you make with no bathroom breaks.Get cancer? Fuck you. Work 18 hours a day and get sick? Fuck you, your fired. You suck for not being rich. Want a raise? Fuck you, you are lucky to have a job. Your fired for asking. I think it would be great to live in a world where nothing but profit mattered.

[–]OneShotAtGlory0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Socialism is the problem, I see it first hand where I live, it only brings chaos and mayhem to every aspect (economical, social, education, health, so on and so forth). Only ignorants, freeloaders and pothead uni students believe marxist lies, and it pains me to see some here on trp defending this shit that lead to at least 100 million direct deaths in the last century.

[–]roteroktober0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

what you seem to ignroe is that a nation like germany is still capitalistic. its still a free market, it only has a system in place so that poor people have acces to health care and not only the rich.

[–]cariboo_j0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Feminism has some links with Marxism but I think it has more to do with the female penchant for entitlement to male resources, playing victim and own gender preference.

Feminism appeals to the worst aspects of the female personality.

[–]errrzarrr 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

you just have defined marxism and socialism, just using the term feminism.

[–]cariboo_j0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism in the 1970s was pushed by Marxist influenced women, but contemporary feminism is an independent movement and has more to do with appealing to the shitty part of women's personalities than communist principles.

If there was no Marxism we'd still see feminism in some form or another.

We'd still see women pushing for special privileges over and above what men have because the government has replaced individual men as the protector and provider.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd rather say that socialism and leftism are feminism by blue pill betas interposed.

[–]Anderfail7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

See the problem is not socialism or feminism, it's that they aren't being applied correctly and that we need to be more diligent in their implementation!

[–]manslutalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it."

[–]tbpd 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

While most of us here, if not all, know how much feminism negatively affects our society, I think it is a mistake to place exclusive blame on the movement for the perils we face today. The reason why we have a problem supporting our aging populations is that a good amount of our tax dollars/euros go directly to interests for state loans. Where politicians all over the world fail in fixing the economic troubles, there seems to be evidence of wrongful care for the economy. Until we discover the core economic issues lying before us, we can't hope to cure ourselves of these perils even in a world without feminism. The way things are set up right now we will need a continuous growth in population and subsequent inflation of our currency to stave off bankruptcy. It won't even last that long should this actually happen.

TL;DR: Even though feminism has a negative effect on societal cohesion, our economic troubles stem from a wrongful understanding, and use, of our economies. No political wing will be able to amend this without first realising the core issues such as modern banking, inflation, and bubble-economies.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

While most of us here, if not all, know how much feminism negatively affects our society

It doesn't. "Feminism" is not a bad thing. Women claiming to be feminists to gain superiority are a bad thing. Think of it this way. One is a black man, fighting for his rights. The other, is a black man that has painted his face literally the colour black screaming "if you don't give me free stuff you're racist." actual Feminists hate these people as much as you or i.

[–]tbpd 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

So... No true scotsman?

My point is this: as long as feminism drives legislation forward that negatively affects society, feminism is, consequently, a destructive movement.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

My point is this: as long as feminism drives legislation forward that negatively affects society, feminism is, consequently, a destructive movement.

But it doesnt. True feminists are people that believe males and females should be equal. They just focus on the woman's issues.

[–]tbpd 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I won't keep arguing about what a "real" feminist is. It's simply not for me to determine. I need only look at legislation and tendencies in our society to discover the impact of the movement, true feminists or not.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism: advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men. That is the definition.

[–]satanicpriest131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Enjoy the decline. It's going to be a long time before it gets better, if it does at all.

[–]sunshine1030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Protect yourself" (?) I'm thinking that's what caused the problem!

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Caged animals (men) are known to stop breeding once they realize they are trapped.

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[–]cariboo_j19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

actually loved me, instead of loving what I could do for her

This was never a reality. Women were never like that. Sexual relationships have always been transactional in nature.

MGTOW in my opinion is simply the logical response once you fully grasp and internalize the nature of women.

(And no, MGTOW =/= celibate.)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can break anything down into a transaction, even the love you have with your parents. That doesn't mean it isn't real or worth anything.

[–]Bwhitty2317 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

So men are the animals in captivity that may live longer but ache to return to the wild. Once they step out of this cage then their life gets shorter but they are acting how they are meant to act and love it. I like your analogy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

better to burn out than fade away

[–]Bwhitty230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For sure. I rather die at 60 enjoying my life then be 70+ and have the loss of my mental and physical abilities dictate my life.

[–]Ovadox6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, that distills this whole post into one sentence. Nice work.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

What you should keep in the back of your head is the following:

That study was done by a neo-liberal think tank and it's sole purpose is to weaken the market for employees and lower wages in general, and for graduates from the STEM-field in specific.

There has been a neverending repetition of the myth of the "Fachkräftemangel" - a scarcity of qualified employees - for the last years here in Germany, which is complete and utter bullshit. We have more than enough qualified people here, but the problem is: Those aren't willing to work for the money companies are willing to offer them.

After the government under the leadership of chancelor Gerhard Schröder succeeded in installing what Schröder himself called "Europe's best low-wage labour market" at the World Economic Forum 2005 in Davos, via the "Agenda 2010", they are now targeting STEM-jobs.

They already tried before, when they introduced special visas for STEM-specialists from i.e. India, but blatantly failed, because no Indian who's willing to leave his country to work elsewhere would come to Germany, where he would be paid significantly less than in i.e. the UK.

They want to over-saturate the market to push people into the weaker negotioating position via more immigration and allowing asylum seekers to pick up work. If you look closely, they have already started with that in some places and it comes up in the news more often now, justified with reducing the costs for their stay here. That's some serious machiavellinism going on there.

[–]l0ng_time_lurker5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

"The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class." - George Carlin on the economic and social classes in America - also true for Germany and other parts of Europe with rampant mass immigration and lowering of standards

[–]1dongpal106 points107 points  (83 children) | Copy

german women are like they have stick in their ass. every women I chat up with asked me within first minute what job I have. all they care is about money. people complaning about US having too many sluts, I can only tell you its better to have some sluts than no one whats so ever. since im half polish I search for them instead, they are way more "alive" , enjoy their life way more.

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trust me, they are all sluts, to the right guy.

German women love to come to my country to 'study' (aka party their ass of).

[–]1dongpal26 points27 points  (5 children) | Copy

yes, the right guy. in germany its not top 20% but top 10%. the typical chad thundercock is extremly rare. I know only two persons in my life personally who are good with women (but only in clubs), they also live in the biggest cities so I dont even see them anymore.

the standard in germany is very high. for example they look at what car you drive way more than in other countries because its the biggest status symbol in germany

[–]Deresetese5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Your example can't really be used as an example.

Germans are obsessed with cars, it's not simply the biggest status symbol. Under right circumstances it can be the only relevant one.

So long as you are not homeless (even not working can be ignored to a degree as it still does yield an acceptable income, if you are not working for a short amount of time and some income if you are not working for an extended period of time), having a good car is often seen as the only factor in status.

This is caused by public transportation being used mostly by young people and to a degree poor people and the german's history with producing cars.
Also, because the Autobahn doesn't have a speed limit, being able to drive at high speed has a totally different level of appeal.

As for your other point, the alphas being rarer, what do you base this on ? It may very well be true but I can't see any reason as to why this would be the case.

[–]1dongpal1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

life experience. are you german? every german will agree that cars are the biggest status symbol. also , if you are not working and seen as "harz 4 empfänger" than you are fuckd

[–]Deresetese0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am german, I didn't mean not working as in being long term unemployed.

Also, I did agree that cars are the biggest status symbol and far more than that. I just think using cars as an example for high standarts doesn't work as it can very well be the only relevant standart a woman might have for you.

And yeah, of course you base that observation on life experience, I was just curious as to what could cause this.

[–]4nn1h1l4tor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cars are not as important you make them out to be. I am a student without a car. Still more alpha than 80-90%.

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Dated the German foreign exchange student in high school. Super hot with equally low self esteem. Her entire self worth was derived from Facebook likes. We fucked within two weeks of speaking to each other, and she claimed I was her second ever. Mind you at this point I was still extremely blue pill beta, and of all my past encounters with women this confuses me the most. All the other girls I either got with or was rejected by can easily be explained by redpill philosophy. Maybe German girl severely underrated her smv despite hundreds of likes on literally all of her Facebook posts?

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Was she alternative in any way? Tattoos, uncommon taste in music, bright hair, piercings, etc?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, very stereotypical upper middle class white chick. Obsessed with Hollister (and now works there) because it's cool still in Germany I guess?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe German girl severely underrated her smv despite hundreds of likes on literally all of her Facebook posts?

Perhaps yours did. But unfortunately it's not common for German girls. Quite the opposite sadly.

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No, it's because no one flirts in certain European countries and there's abundance of hot girls, so they don't really feel special.

In my country, no one hits on girls outside the bar scene and not before downing two or three beers. Daytime flirting does not exist, it's simply not a thing. On top of that, men here are quite timid - not effeminate, quite masculine in fact, but their behaviour is so inhibited - I assume a lot of it is because of feminism - hell, when I grew up the idea of complimenting a girl makes me anxious because I'm scared she'll get offended. (Yes, I genuinely think a girl will be offended if I compliment her.)

So you've got a country where men have internalized flirting as being disrespectful and borderline sexual harassment, and literally got half a country's population starved for attention regardless of how attractive they are.

I assume it's a similar situation in Germany but maybe not as extreme.

[–]4nn1h1l4tor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's EXACTLY the same in Germany. The only people who "know how to game" are not particularly smart.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

and she claimed I was her second ever.

And you still believe that after swallowing TRP?

[–]1London-Bananas47 points48 points  (50 children) | Copy

Can confirm, I live in Germany and to make it all worse I'm a mechanical engineer. In Germany being a mechanical engineer is like the super sayan BB profession. Above lawyers and doctors even. It is every family's dream to marry off their daughters to mechanical engineers here.

Although I obviously have plates, the concept of non-LTR sex is not nearly as common as in the US, UK or Australia.

[–]kaiwanxiaode24 points25 points  (14 children) | Copy

I'm not German so I don't really know the full situation but my gosh when i was in Berlin there was plenty of casual sex to be had for all types.

[–]1London-Bananas46 points47 points  (8 children) | Copy

Berlin isn't Germany, ask any German. It's full of artsy hipster types with no career or future, which is why Germans have such mixed feelings about it.

[–]Zekohl22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell, I am from Berlin (born and raised) and even I hate it.

[–]Copenhagen2312 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Berlin is reverting back to how it was pre Hitler. The debauchery capital of Europe. You'll notice the same happening in nearly all western nations. This is by design. I will just leave it at that.

[–]2comment3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

To get what Copenhagen23 is saying, watch the movie Cabaret from 1972 with Liza Minnelli. Extremely good atmosphere film and set in Berlin early 30s, before the Nazis achieved power.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I should move to Berlin but they hate my kind there :( (Schwabe)

[–]Der_Baba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Was willschn da kerle? Hier isches schee :D

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Des mog scho sei ober dia depperte Dorfweiber langweilat mi schregglich. Koi Luschd am Sonndich in'd Kirch zom ganga. Ond in Schtuargart send se mir alle a bissle zu ernschd.

[–]Work_McGurk3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've never witnessed so many hipsters in one place than when I went to Berlin a few years ago

[–]Deresetese13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Berlin is not germany, Berlin is international.
Any nationalism, which is not all that present in germany anyway, is non existant there.
Basically Berlin is the epitome of every problem that germany faces.
No nationalism, high cost of living, multi culturalism, degrees that become increasingly worthless and thus people who either don't aim for any education or simply can't capitalise on it.
Berlin is full of people who have no future, they're either immigrants that don't speak german or germans wihout sufficient education.
This and other reasons lead to berlin being drastically different from every other part of germany.

[–]spectrum_921 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Berlin is less representative of Germany than San Francisco is of the US

[–]CyberFi11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

The career does not make the man. You can present yourself as a "disposable lighter repairman" and if you play it right women are still going to fall head over heels in love, I guarantee it's just a matter of calibrating your game and generating attraction. I can't imagine the social influence of German women to be that hardwired into their minds.

What is hardwired into her brain are the primal attraction switches that persisted since the dawn of man. Not to mention, as we all know, women are calibrated to follow their emotions before logic. Sure you're gonna hear "I'm not gonna sleep with a man unless I'm married to him and he's a millionaire" but as soon as a confident, carefree alpha swoops in her eyes widen and said thoughts suddenly vanish.

[–]ObservantOmega3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bingo, you can be a self-employed wannabe writer and still pull women in Germany if you can present yourself. Most engineers etc. in Germany are wimps and easily turned into BB while she enjoys the attention of an alpha (or as is the case with many women that I know, a hung black immigrant).

[–]letter_of_reprimand 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy

Why is this? I live in Germany and I've heard before that engineering is Germany's most respected profession but nobody I ask seems to really know why this is.

[–]1London-Bananas40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy

  1. Germany simply has a rock solid boner for engineering, especially mechanical engineering. It's a world leading country not only in cars but also firearms and large arms.

  2. Engineering jobs are in high demand and basically mean you will never ever be unemployed and the pay is good, eg perfect husband material to start a family on.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. If you are in engineering in my area (SW Germany), you're settled for life. They're practically always hiring.

[–]2popthatpill22 points23 points  (13 children) | Copy

Drive a German car and compare it to any other country's cars, that's probably why people like German engineering.

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Love my Nazi mobile, but maybe y'all should up your electrical engineering game. Js.

[–]2comment1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was a real thing up to the 80s I'd say. Japanese cars were these tiny ugly POS and American cars were just fucking bad in the 70s/80s. There was a real gray market (cars brought overseas to here) for Mercedes in that time.

But my experience with German cars after the mid-80s models is that mechanically they're usually very solid -- a big thing decades back was the doors closed every so pleasingly, something I think the others mastered in the meantime --- but also often way overcomplicated and overpriced to fix and the electrical engineering is shit.

IDK about the other brands, but from what I seen of the GPS/radio/etc in Mercedes, they're usually garbage too in interface and at least 5 years ago, were still stuck in the 90s mentality compared to what you can get in a GM.

Now don't me wrong, I went over 250km/h on the autobahn (when farther away from cities and empty enough, getting more and more rare) and the average middle-of-the-road Audi/Mercedes/BMW/Porsche will beat any other country's average car for feel and handling at those speeds for realistic highway driving. Shit like a Ford Escort feels like metal coffin on wheels when its wheezing at 180kph.

But other than that consideration, which just doesn't apply to most of the world, I prefer one of the Japanese big 3 for total ownership for small/medium cars. And something American if I had hauling to do.

[–]letter_of_reprimand0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First car I owned was a TDI diesel. Wish I still had it, even at 100hp it was such a fun car.

[–]fodtp1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Japanese cars are more reliable than German cars.

[–]roteroktober6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah which is why they have to call back millions of cars because of errors they made.

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight[🍰] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Japanese cars are more reliable than German cars.

Says who? Some guy who once got XXX miles in his <insert cheap ass car here>? You'll hear those stories about every car manufacturer, so anecdotes don't really mean anything.

German cars (Porsche, Mercedes, BWM, Audi, shit even VW) consistantly win best in class for luxury and performance. The only Japanese luxury car manufacturers you would see even make the list are Lexus and Inifinity, and they are almost always outclassed by other german cars. Go ahead and do a google search for "top 10 luxury cars" or "best luxury cars in class" and count the Japanese & German cars you see.

[–]curiousthis0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

German cars (Porsche, Mercedes, BWM, Audi, shit even VW) consistantly win best in class for luxury and performance.

Luxury and performance. Not reliability.

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

They're reliable too. I don't know why you would think the best in class cars wouldn't be reliable.

[–]letter_of_reprimand0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

With the advent of the "global platform" I think they are pretty much a moot point.

I drive an American car, assembled in America, with an American built engine, with Bosch components, a transmission from Austria, a windshield washer pump from Czech Republic, and the whole thing was mostly designed in Korea with help from some guys in Australia.

[–]torodinson1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]letter_of_reprimand0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, I love the GTI. Fun car.

[–]Man_Jose6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

a mechanical engineer is like the super sayan BB profession

Completely tangent, but I ROFLed at this. Part of me sometimes wonders how jokes like this would fly with women.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy

have some sluts than no one whats so ever.

German women put out for foreigners. And I say foreigners because my Aussie classmates were doing just as well with the ladies, as us Americans. To be honest, we were getting crazy love.

[–]Bwhitty239 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

I found this true. Unfortunately I didn't score cause when I went I was way worse. I noticed all the females I was around were flirty as hell but I couldn't bring myself to act. I think it was because I was one of the few black people they've seen as they wanted to touch my hair. It could be a fluke but even the classmates that went along with me didn't have quite the attention I got. What I would give to do that over again with the knowledge I have now. Can't wait till I go back.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

My White friends got pussy too but yeah lol I was grabbing chicks who I would've thought were out of my league.

[–]letter_of_reprimand0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Where was this, if you don't mind my asking?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gotta stick to the more alternative crowd. Lots of promiscuity there.

You're right though, if you absolutely want to avoid sticking your dick in crazy you're pretty much restricted to LTRs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If anyone's question when meeting you is "what do you do for a living?" I find that pretty suspicious, like they aren't looking to be friends, but rather "business partners".

[–]just_lift0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh come on, it's just small talk. Working takes up a big percentage of my waking time. It obviously shapes who you are and it also tells you about what kind of person you are since you made that particular choice of profession. It gives you a lot to talk about and it's a normal and good question when getting to know somebody. It doesn't have to be about money.

[–]netgrey 100 points100 points [recovered] | Copy

Will it be Germany when there are no Germans, but only Muslim Turks who might speak some German?

I don't get how importing immigrants from failed countries en masse helps.

[–]QQ_L2P86 points87 points  (23 children) | Copy

It doesn't, it's fucking stupid. At best it's a misconception that the immigrants who arrived in the 70's, the intelligent and the skilled who migrated at the first opportunity for a better life, will be the kind that come with this push.

But it won't be. I'll tell you now it's the mouthbreathers and the bottom dregs of society who come over, do fuck all and claim benefits all day while letting their kids run in idiotic gangs who have and will continue to come over.

Europe has no spine, it just doesn't know how to say no at this point, and it's a fucking shame.

[–]1London-Bananas58 points59 points  (2 children) | Copy

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

[–]1Goomich4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

What we've learned in 2008, is that you can run out of banks' money too.

[–]1oldredder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

money is merely a proxy for value, and value is intrinsic in materials and in labour, especially skilled labour. The problem with EVERY economic system is someone doesn't want to be induced by force to work or to lose material owned value.

Socialism is not the worst among them. Monarchy, monopoly, oligarchy and Fascism are each far worse.

[–]NidStyles20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

It doesn't take a genius to figure what is going on. Just examine the cultural group promoting these immigration policies. In every nation they exist, they have the same thing in common.

[–]Dornerthecoroner4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Germany has a history of waking up to that parasite

[–]Fingersofsalad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The goyim know! Shut it down! #muhshekels

[–]Squeezymypenisy11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy

Europe hasn't had a spine since world war 1.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

That's true the appeasement of Hitler was fucking pathetic. He annexes two countries but you sit and hope he won't keep going? are you fucking serious this nigga is just declaring countries his, but just stay quiet? lol you're right man

[–]UzairDjillaliYahud 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy

That's not how it went down. Hitler had to protect German minorities in former German cities. After WW1 germany was ripped apart and at some point the germans who then lived in a new country became victims of assaults. Especially along the French and Czechia borders. There is a documentary called "the greatest story never told" which is about 6 hours. I've never really watched it completely only nearly 2 hours but it gives you more insight as to what happend in the time before WW2.

[–]CptDefB0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Russia is doing this today, no?

The landscape has shifted, everything is war by proxy now. There is no Treaty of Versaille to hamstring and handcuff Russia the same way Germany was. Perhaps if the powers that be, laced Russian propaganda with racial tensions, people might have the same unchecked gut reaction.

The same way they do if you talk to them about Germany and WWII today, by presenting a narrative they haven't heard ever because "all the historians have looked into it already"... (where's the test samples from each camp? jury is still out, yet we believe wholeheartedly that millions died in gas chambers... 6 million jews also died in WWI (New York Times printed it), but no one seems to care? hmm...)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Millions did die in gas chambers, my great uncle personally lost 22 brothers and sisters as well as his parents.

[–]netgrey 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

All the brave men from Europe died in world war 1.

[–]koxar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How will it say no, it's either get immigrants or have the entire tech sector go down? What do you suggest they do? Plus I disagree that muslims create sharia gangs in germany.

[–]Deresetese0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Despite that, the EU is falling apart slowly but surely.
With the integration of failing countries and the failing of countries like greece, the EU has to make drastic decisions (e.g. kicking them out, which could never happen because nobody would get a majority for that).
Having the same currency for those states that are economically strong and those that basically have no economic value can not work in the long run.
The directions of the EU to accept immigrants from other EU countries and refugees from outside the EU only enhance this effect.
Furthermore, the stronger states have to help the failing ones in order to prevent their own economy from crashing.
All of this is weakening the economy to a point where it will collapse eventually.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you're a young European person: Learn an Asian language (Korean, Taiwanese, Japanese, Chinese, ...) and prepare to move to that country after you've acquired a few years of work experience.

Your education will be in high demand in those countries, and they are the rising nations of the 21st century.

[–]weirdnamedindian28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey, Turkey itself only became Turk from around the 14th century when a bunch of eastern steppe Turkic tribes invaded the place and pushed out the mostly Greek speaking populace or inter-mingled with them. Expect the same to happen to Germany - and no, it will no longer be Germany. No one looks to Turkey and thinks of Hellenic culture, Byzantium and Asia Minor unless one is a historian.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh Constantinople, how we miss you so.

[–]razor51512 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

importing immigrants

this is what I don't understand. I see people talking about how countries are importing tons of immigrants, but my experience tells me otherwise.

I'm from India. My brother, who is a software engineer, has been trying to get a H1B visa for a while because he thinks he can do better than his current employer. He has been trying, for the past 3 years, and yet his visa keeps getting rejected by immigration department.

Indians who pay taxes, work honest jobs, keep their heads down, and become contributing members of the society they immigrate to are denied visas.

On the other hand, degenerate Mudslimes are imported by the dozens?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

German bureaucracy is superb. In the end it'll be a few hundred thousand Germans in key positions directing the workforce of millions of immigrants.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For some weird-ass reason, apart from the conservatives (well, and the common folk) the idea to compensate for the loss of manpower by allowing more migration is pretty popular.

The fact that people rather go to the US if they want to make it big with their knowledge and skills is usually ignored.

[–]Deresetese1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The ideal is that skilled immigrants come here to work (for lower salaries than germans would).
spoiler: it doesn't work that way.

[–]1oldredder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

slavery requires a high population, always expanding.

It helps slavery, same as raising the birth rate.

This is the master plan of all countries with a central bank. The core of the red pill is always economics. It rules all and is acting via deliberate layered strategies, not accidents, upon marriage, sexual relationships and laws governing what is assault, rape, consent, powers of police to search, rights of accused & accuser in courts - everything.

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[–]Heizenbrg98 points99 points  (4 children) | Copy

Fuck that's what's happening in my home town in northern Italy. All I saw when I visited were halal shops open at 2am. Italy also has a problem of low birthrate and too many migrants.
It is however more of an economic decision, fortunately it's still a country that has not been plagued with feminists, alpha men dominate.
When people will start spending more we will be on top of the other Feminists euros, and hopefully our teams will catch up too.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

...open at 2am

Brace yourself : Ramadan is coming.

They'll be open at 4am

[–]cariboo_j0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hitting those falafel shops at 2am and not drinking.

[–]IlliterateIllyrian 32 points32 points [recovered] | Copy

They'll also be raping. Look at Sweden.

[–]cariboo_j32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

No no. Only white males have rape culture, against female university students.

Men getting raped in prison doesn't count. Neither do Muslims in Sweden or militants in the Congo, where 1 in 4 PEOPLE (aka women AND men) get raped.

The real rape culture is on American university campuses.

Also we must never criticize people with brown skin... Because colonialism or something.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

You mean the Sweden that is 8th in the world in happiness? The Sweden that is 22nd in GDP? The Sweden that is the least Racist country in the world? The Sweden that is the least Homophobic country in the world?

I really, really, fail to see your point.

[–]IlliterateIllyrian 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

  • Sweden that is 8th in the world in happiness
  • Sweden that is 22nd in GDP
  • Sweden that is the least Homophobic country in the world

I don't give a shit about any of those things you mentioned, as I didn't even post about it.

  • Sweden that is the least Racist country in the world

I'm saying that Sweden is literally being labeled the rape capital of Europe, because of your precious multiculturalism.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

It's being named the rape capital because more people report rapes. Not because there ARE more rapes. This is a good thing. Not a bad thing.

[–]IlliterateIllyrian 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

What a coincidence.

Hamstering media explains: Rather than doing something about the problem of violence and rape, Swedish politicians, public authorities and media do their best to explain away the facts. Here are some of their explanations:

  • Swedes have become more prone to report crime.
  • The law has been changed so that more sexual offences are now classed as rape.
  • Swedish men cannot handle increased equality between the sexes and react with violence against women (perhaps the most fanciful excuse). http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Face it, your country is going to shit and there is no end in sight. Sorry if you're a native Swede.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Crime is 300% more likely to be reported and rape is 1,472% more likely to be reported. What's your point?

And yes, the law has been changed to increase what is classed as rape. Multiple times.

I am not from Sweden but I have been. And it's a whole lot better than any other country I've been to.

[–]IlliterateIllyrian 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Why would a whole demographic of people just decide to begin to report crime at a huge rate like that? Do you really think small changes to laws would be the cause of such a dramatic increase? Stop believing the media; start believing in research and statistics.

I am not from Sweden but I have been. And it's a whole lot better than any other country I've been to.

Your anecdote doesn't mean shit (also it's not evidence). Of course it looks nice to you; you don't live there.

I'm done here. Peace.

[–]olican1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because they passed a law which makes more things rape?

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

Allahhuuuuaakkkbar.... err ... I'm sorry, I mean surely Ze Germans can efficiently realize that replacing themselves with outsiders (and forcing those round outsiders into square pegs so they can also count as "Germans") can only go so far.

At least with integration they avoid Japan's fate.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord100 points101 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just a small anecdote here.

Years ago a Mosque opened up in Calgary, AB. Very early one morning, they started up with their usual 'call to prayer', with loudspeakers, at about 4am.

For about 10 minutes this continued, at which point an unidentified pickup truck drove by and blew away the loudspeakers with a shotgun.

The police were called, they took a statement, but there weren't really any leads they could follow up on.

The Mosque replaced the loudspeakers. The next morning, 4am sharp, the call to prayer once again commenced, blaring through the loudspeakers, once again waking up half the neighbourhood, a good portion of whom fall into the classification of 'redneck'.

10 minutes later, truck, shotgun, broken loudspeakers.

Thus ends the last time the Mosque had a call to prayer in Calgary, AB.

Respect peoples cultures, but don't piss off the natives.

[–]NotRoosterTeeth6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

I live in NC and somthing I will forever remember in my life is the UNC Bell Tower controversy. People talk about the media changing stories to create more controversy, this is an extreme example. Just going to add I am very open to religions practicing the services of their religion, you will see below why I belive what I belive in the situation.

Typical News Report on the Bell Tower Controversy: Anti-Muslim Rednecks in North Carolina are trying to make it so Muslims can not practice their religious services.

To the best of my knowledge this is what happened : UNC says Muslim students can practice in a Cristian Bell Tower so they can seem open minded and religiously accepting. (Not a bad move on there part, they want to look good in the community). The problem is that is was a Cristian bell tower and if they had their services, the other religions that practiced there wouldn't be able to which is a large problem on Saturday and Sunday keeping in mind a large majority of the student base is Cristian or Jewish.

TL;DR : People should be able to practice their religion but not physically disturb others while they do it. Also the media blows situations involving stuff like this out of the water, be careful of the information you read.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always question the media narrative, it is usually bent. Like yourself, I'm fine with people doing what they want to do, practice their beliefs as they see fit. The caveat being that your actions can't infringe upon others.

If you immigrate to another culture, it is upon you to assimilate into that culture, not the other way around. There is a sane middle ground to be had, we just don't get to see it often enough.

[–]Roflsquad20 points21 points  (11 children) | Copy

This actually fucking depresses me. The simple fact that these people with scientifically proven lower IQ-scores are taking over western societies and the media calls it cultural enrichment...

[–]lifbali 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

Sauce of Muslims having low IQ ?

[–]NWH60 24 points24 points [recovered] | Copy

I won't defend the IQ comment. I have no proof one way or another and frankly don't care to find it. However, regardless of their innate intelligence, the Muslims will bring a plague to civilization with their thousand year old way of thinking and general barbarism that will make you beg for some citizens with merely a low IQ.

Sauce: every single country with a significant Muslim population.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red pill isn't revolutionary, it's also an old mindset or ideology that we're trying to revive in the wake of modern feminism.

[–]Zagooda23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think TRP is the only place on internet that no one will blame muslims for that. And I'm happy to see that's true.

For the others: You don't want muslims? Perfect. Handle your own shit and don't let them do your job and take your money. Fucking breed and don't become a minority in your own country. You will probably lose those taxi drivers, shawarma and kebab makers but hey we all know that "you can't have your cake and eat it, too"

[–]cariboo_j16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy

Muslims aren't a problem in and of themselves. The ones we have in Canada are well behaved.

Europe seems to take in the pushy and militant ones that feel the need to shove their religion in everyone else's face, demand special treatment and even demand non Muslims follow their rules.

Those Muslims can fuck off and go back to their shitty theocratic countries. Too bad Europe is too spineless and PC to tell them to fuck off.

[–]DaphneDK3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Immigrants from Africa and the Middle East are not just desperately fleeing whatever conditions, and willing to go anywhere. They're very much aware of and discerning as to which country they want to go to, and deliberately chose countries with a high level of welfare. EU agencies have documented this quite thoroughly. There are even Facebook groups and various Internet sites dedicated to listing all the pros & cons of each destination and the immigrants surf these on their smart phones. This means European nations with generous welfare states attract those that want to benefit from the welfare states, whereas places like Canada/USA attracts those with ambitions that want to make use of the opportunity to work hard and make life for themselves.

Many of the immigrants to Europe are Christians however. Both those from Syria and those from Africa.

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Well no. The trouble comes from what writen in Quran , especially surah 5 and 9.

Educated muslim are able to distance themselves from their religion but under educated muslims, that are also made fragile by their economical situation are prone to be problematic.

And the problem is that the european goverments are actually importing mass of low educated musilm, so guess what will follow.

[–]cariboo_j1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yeah Islam followed literally is problematic. It's the only major religion I'm aware of that is also a political system. Separation of church and state is pretty much impossible for a devout Muslim.

I'm just saying the educated westernized Muslims (in Canada at least) aren't usually a problem because they are able to rationalize away the more extreme parts of the Quran. And perhaps they are made complacent and have more to lose because of their high paying jobs. They're peaceful in spite of their religion, not because of it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You guys are too busy fucking plates and avoiding marriage, in the middle east there is a different culture, the women take a submissive role in the house, hence they have a good combination of redpill philosophy and manage a have lots of kids at the same time.

[–]cariboo_j0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

According to Islam a man can have up to 4 wives

[–]drallcom3 43 points43 points [recovered] | Copy

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

There's no reason for any woman to not have children. Great universal healthcare, guaranteed time off (up to 3 years), you may pick up your old job, low costs (if you're good with money), no college fund needed. Economic reasons my ass. It's probably one of the best countries to have children in.

[–]erplaint6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have never understood this whole "economic reasons" line of thought. It is a given that it is actually the poor who have the most children! Basically, women higher up in society become, what were they called... "too posh to push"? As in their own person is way too precious for them to carry around a baby and then give birth to it because "it's uncomfortable". It is really a cultural problem, not an economic one, but no one wants to address the elephant in the room because it might hurt some feefees.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

The elephant in the room is that having and raising children sucks according to many. As soon as birth control is available, smart people opt out.

[–]HonestContrarian10 points11 points  (15 children) | Copy

Ah. That explains the exploding German population!

Wait a minute...

[–]drallcom3 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, right? It's so comfortable, yet no one does it. Except immigrants, who account for like 50% of the babies. I can't blame them.

Women here don't exactly ride the carousel, but they do stuff like carrer well into their 30s when they first start thinking about children. I know plenty of women who are childless and always will be. None of them have ever mentioned feminist stuff btw. But even women in a good relationship, like the girlfriends of some of my friends, don't get children. You have a woman with no good job, a decent BB at their hand and they still don't get pregnant.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yes, but culturally Germany is NOT a child-friendly place. They do not worship children like we do in the States. Children are annoying bores to much of the educated elite in Germany.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy


We have had the replacement rate gap for years, and there have been loads of articles on the subject. One I read compared the situation to the US and it was pointed out that when families have more children than they can afford with their current living standards, they simply... accept a drop in their living standard. Gee, what a novel idea, accepting that you have to make sacrifices for children! But tell that to our middle class families.

It's funny, because leftists usually point out that it's so much easier to reconcile having a job and a family in Scandinavia or in France (ignoring the fact that France only has its replacement rates because African immigrants compensate for the shortcomings from native French people); when the actual problem is (a) that being childless is entirely acceptable and even quite normal and (b) even couples who actually want children are entirely happy with 1, 2 tops. And since more kids usually means a hit to your living standard...

I can look around and it certainly doesn't get better. My 4 grandparents had 8 children combined, and this postwar generation was pretty much the last one that was above the minimal replacement rate. The postwar babyboomers who became parents in the 80s and 90s already were below replacement IIRC - at least when looking around me it looks like that (most couples only had 2 children, and some - like my uncle, an aunt, or friends of my parents only 1 or even none at all); and it only got worse - my long-term friends and I are in our 30s by now, and I can count the number of children we collectively have on the fingers of one hand. Some don't want children, some are latebloomers (read: have been notorious incels for most of their lives) and just got into their first relationships by now, some didn't find the right partner so far. It's definitely fucked up (and the progressive post 68-ideology that has permeated the mainstream didn't really help either).

[–]HAMMURABl0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy


just take a look at the situation in 2030. a huge, HUGE, wave of people suddenly about to going into pension. and these people are currently working and contributing, yet the welfare in germany is running on very thin ice.

in 2030, germany will have much less money will be available (no more babyboomers paying taxes) and much more money needed (thanks to the umlagefinanzierte pension system). its gonna be an economic disaster, and the current immigrants coming over the Mediterranean sea are only adding to the social cost.

if i were a german, i would run. fast.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I bank on

  • raising the retirement age so the active workforce:rentier-ratio remains sustainable
  • mechanization of the workforce (i.e. machines instead instead of menial laborers)
  • Fortress Europe when it comes to barely (or non-)contributing immigrants

The problem is that the left screwed practically everything up in that regard (and the further left they are, the more oblivious they are to the consequences of their politics): they are basically for lowering retirement ages, their education politics are terrible (German federal states that have been dominated by social democrats lag 2-3 years behind those that have been dominated by conservatives for decades) which means that they produce worse students who in turn are less capable to take on high-qualification jobs (i.e. the only jobs that will reliably be available in the future), and of course feelz are most important for them when it comes to immigration ("but we have to help those poor people!").

[–]Zachar1a 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Yes, that doesn't quite add up, does it?

[–]myynshine2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

/u/drallcom3's point supports the argument of the post that the reasons behind declining birth rates may not be economic at all.

[–]drallcom30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The state pays for all your children's need until it's 26 or something like that (even free healthcare all the way). Then you can kick it out and the state will be paying for it's needs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

So why do you think it's happening? I'm curious, because my first clue would be economic reasons. That's certainly the main reason I see in my peers (with no/unstable jobs, and no prospect of ever owning an apartment) from other, not so wealthy/industrialized European countries.

[–]drallcom32 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know. Most of my male friends are very well off and in their early 30s, yet only one of them has a child. It's not like they're together with carrer women and such. Quite the opposite. Sidenote: Only one of them is married and it's not the one with a child.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Same for me & my ~10 closer friends. Middle class (doctors, architects, ..). The girlfriends usually do have a Job, but it's not great in most cases. Early 30s, 0 marriages, 1 child.

Why? No idea. It might be local, but it feels like a "everything sucks anyways, so why bother?" attitude.

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Because people don't want to have and raise kids. As soon as safe birth control is introduced, birth rates decrease.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What use is money if you don't have the time to spend it?

[–]mpnsk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's probably one of the best countries to have children in.

Unfortunately it seems for educated middleaged women it is a even better country to work in. :D I guess Switzerland would be even better.

[–]2popthatpill64 points65 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women don't care if their country gets overrun with foreigners. All women care about is getting into the harems of the top guys, whether they're locals or foreign conquerors. As far as women are concerned, one is as good as the other.

Patriotism is a guy thing.

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They don't give a fuck about anything other than themselves. Men vote for some ideological reason such as "who would be best for the country" but most women vote based on personal feelings. You hit the nail on the head.

[–]SpongeCroft3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Patriotism? IN GERMANY?


[–]RedInIzzy77 points78 points  (22 children) | Copy

More skilled immigrants? From where? Most of Europe is filled with the bottom rung that came running through the open doors after the colonial era passed.

This means importing more people who will want free stuff and have dubious agendas. They'd have to be stupid to do that.

Hopefully controls will be placed upon weapons and the knowledge behind them, seeing as the worst countries for the 3rd worldization are nuclear.

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This is what any sane person knows, but can't say because race card. A politician from in my country actually said this in more PC terms and was on his way becoming the prime minister. He was completely demonized in the media, with dubious comparisons to Hitler and other dictators. It was completely ridiculous.

He never had the chance to put his policies into practice because he was shot before election time...

After his death, the left parties took a sharp right turn, and basically validates some of his ideas. Before this man, it was possible for foreign immigrants to leech of welfare, without even speaking Dutch or making an effort to learn Dutch!!


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Pim is a really interesting character. I wish more gay activists would take a stand against Islam.

It's a beautiful thing watching SJW types try to maneuver around the fact that Islam is inherently hateful when trying to defend it and confronted with the Islamic policy regarding LGBT rights.

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He was great. You should have seen the guy debate against the PC politicians. Just pure logic and deduction, laced with bit of humour, the public was just eating out of his hand. Compared with the retarded emotional appeals of the other politicians (vote for us, we'll give you free shit!!), he truly was one of a kind. He also trolled a female journalist, by saying that she should go back to the kitchen. The media tried to make a fuss out of this, but no one really gave a shit.

His homosexuality really was a great trump card against the SJW types.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

His homosexuality really was a great trump card against the SJW types.

Reminds me of Milo Yiannopoulos, a gay journalist from the UK. Gets away with so much shit that a straight man would be torn apart for. It is hilarious.

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Just re-read about his assassination on wiki.

It is absolutely insane that a guy who committed a political assassination in 2002 got paroled in 2014. I'm not a big fan of punitive sentencing but doing 12 years for a planned assassination? Come off it...

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I'm not sure I disagree with Islam being hateful but I genuinely doubt it's more hateful than Christianity.

Both bible and quran contain passages that condone xenophobia or even murder.

[–]letter_of_reprimand15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

He called Islam "a backward culture", and is quoted as saying that if it were legally possible, he would close the borders for Muslim immigrants

Regardless on whether he was right or not, I wouldn't exactly call this PC.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying Hitler isn't all that bad?

[–]Work_McGurk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the guy that murdered him in cold blood is now free!? what the fuck.

[–]Veles112 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

As a Polish/Canadian dual citizen I can tell you that there's plenty of unskilled labourers that could come from Poland, which has similar cultural and religious beliefs.

[–]Hoodwink 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Poland is probably going to experience a more drastic decline because of all the men getting out of the country.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus shit, what is going on with all the countries in that region?

[–]Veles110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you sure? It seems like mostly it's just young unskilled men who leave the country to find work in UK, etc.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This means importing more people who will want free stuff and have dubious agendas. They'd have to be stupid to do that.

to late they're already stupid

[–]MicroMinion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not sure if you ever heard of "Brain drain" but reality is exactly the opposite of what you are describing.

[–]Adolf_ghandi10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every sys admin is like: ROLL THAT SHIT BACK NOW! IT WORKED BEFORE!!!

politicans: nope we continue the BS!

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U68 points69 points  (30 children) | Copy

Not that anybody notices, but this is happening in all the predominantly white countries. You have to look at the big picture. Social engineering, feminism, and the media have all led us by the nose to where we are now. Low birth rates in the population create a vacuum that needs to be filled.

Our governments, that are controlled by a rich elite, create vast incentives at taxpayers cost, for other races of people to move in and take over large parts of society. This causes wages to go down making them more profits at our expense. It creates a divide and conquor strategy to control the people. We waste so much time fighting each other and ignoring the real enemy, the elite themselves.

At the current trend, the white race could become an endangered species. Countries like Sweden, which are natively white, are being invaded at an incredible rate because of government policy and white people will soon be a minority in their own country.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity32 points33 points  (3 children) | Copy

We waste so much time fighting each other and ignoring the real enemy, the elite themselves.

This is pretty much the nail on the head.

Double the supply of workers with feminism. I don't even believe the plummeting birth rate was an intended effect of their direction, but it's still functioning; they can bring in migrants to do the work.

The rich are intelligent, they want the money now, not later. It's a big "fuck you" to progress and society as a whole.

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

The rich are intelligent, they want the money now, not later. It's a big "fuck you" to progress and society as a whole.

What they really want is power. Money is just the vehicle that gets it for them. The richest people on the planet have more money than they could ever possibly spend. Once you have aquired that much your power hits a plateau.

So to gain even more power you have to take it away from others by making them poorer, by weakening them. Now the game isn't so much to gain money, but to take it from others. Its hard to fight someone when you are so busy just trying to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head.

[–]1laserdicks2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

♂ This comment took me for a spin. Changed my view in a big way.

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The rich are intelligent, they want the money now, not later.

Intelligent maybe, but certainly not wise. They're very cleverly destabilizing society and making a huge profit from that, if this is intentional, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a revolution in one or two decades. That revolution might well be aimed at the 1% (or the 0.1%).

If I was an amoral rich guy, I'd prefer to make slightly less money now to avert the possible pitchforks in my future. That would be the wise thing to do.

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At the current trend, the white race could become an endangered species. Countries like Sweden, which are natively white, are being invaded at an incredible rate because of government policy and white people will soon be a minority in their own country.

I generally avoid this topic because it is inherently a touchy subject, but one thing the stormfront nuts point out a lot which I think holds up a bit is that it appears only western countries are really pushed to "embrace diversity".

The sheer arrogance of it all is also interesting. Essentially the super-inclusive left are declaring that European countries (and by default, culture) are naturally superior and as such they must be open to including people from other countries into this superior culture.

You rarely if ever see a SJW demanding Japan, Korea or Egypt take in more migrants. Don't have time to dig but this was the best article I could dig up.

I believe the incident in 1986 that they briefly reference was when the UN asked Japan to take in some war refugees, and the Prime Minister said something to the effect of "fuck off, Japan will remain a one race nation".

I may be mixing this up with another incident or even another country, so take that with a massive grain of salt.

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I generally avoid this topic because it is inherently a touchy subject, but one thing the stormfront nuts point out a lot which I think holds up a bit is that it appears only western countries are really pushed to "embrace diversity".

The sheer arrogance of it all is also interesting. Essentially the super-inclusive left are declaring that European countries (and by default, culture) are naturally superior and as such they must be open to including people from other countries into this superior culture.

You see this even at the local level. Hispanics have been running blacks out of Compton of all places for a while now, and barely a word has been said.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

the media have all led us by the nose

Oy vey now careful what you say friend... your media would never lie to you...

[–]NidStyles2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not sure I would say elites. They all have a culture in common though.

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't really think they are that elite either. What else do you call the wealthiest people on the planet?

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The biggest spoiled children of the group. They are only wealthy because of the paper currencies. Had gold and silver still been the standard, they would be just as poor as the people they pay to make their socks. What fiat currencies did was allow them to hold onto their physical wealth and start out with contrived paper wealth.

[–]jonewman 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

ignoring the real enemy

Don't be afraid to ask yourself the Jewish Question.

I recommend reading Kevin Macdonald.

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't be afraid to ask yourself the Jewish Question.

Oh I am aware. Different words, same people in control.

[–]3savoryprunes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For clarity, I don't believe it's our race that's the issue. It's our economic status. The middle class is being dismantled and it looks like the quickest and cheapest way to make this happen is by flooding the worker pool.

[–]curiousthis0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not that anybody notices, but this is happening in all the predominantly white countries.

It's actually happening everywhere in the world. It's being led by countries that are transitioning from agriculture to industry.

Yes, the west has seen the greatest declines, but that's also because the west industrialized earlier.

[–]Mister_Shitlord_2U0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They cant allow anybody to gain too much wealth and power. I believe that they see white people as their greatest threat though.

[–]Merica9110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

At the current trend, the white race could become an endangered species.

Here in the US, it's the blacks, hispanic, Muslims having all the kids. It takes a young, loving, upper class, married white couple to just produce 1 to 2 kids. Like you have to be in an elite class to have a fucking baby with white people when others are popping them out like no tomorrow.

Others don't wait until they're 10000% secure and ready to have a child because you'll never really be. Yes, some non white female groups would have under age pregnancies (under 18) which end up always being in the lower class of society because their late teens are the golden age for schooling. But the white class, wow, completely the other way, thinking age 35 is a good time to start a family were they're lucky to even have 1 to a black, Hispanic or Muslim 3.

[–]DannyDemotta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldnt strictly blame "the elites". Plenty of immigrant minorities (Indian, Korean, Russian in particular) are making a killing in America off the backs of (Liberal) White complacency and laziness. People too busy worrying about the "rigged" system to start a business - so immigrants happily do it for them (construction, cleaning, convenience, all of the above). Or they do start a business, overpay people, insist on local sourcing, etc etc, and go out of business. Boo hoo.

The White man gets little sympathy from me. RP immigrants all up in this bitch, and i love it.

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That article about Mengele is one of the coolest things I've ever read. Who, even today with molecular genetics and genome scans and all sorts of crazy IVF technology, could induce women to give birth to blond, blue-eyed twins? How in the hell did this 1940s-era doctor do this genetic engineering fifty years ago??

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Artificially inseminate brazilian women with sperm from a blong haired blue eyed man known for having twins.

It's not "complicated" and it's not really "genetic engineering" more so than what farmers have been doing with their plants for thousands of years.

edit: if you think "Pedro" is the father of Jesus, even though his wife Consuela never cheated on him... well... "the test results are in, you are not the father" It's just Alpha Fucks being a little too obvious, you have to be pretty beta to believe that these children are "genetically engineered" from their own fathers... it's not like he was doing genetic manipulation on the father's sperm.

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All I know is from a cursory reading, but there are a few problems with that: 1) the twin thing is a persistent effect, existing to the present day, 2) how did Mengele get fresh sperm from the blond-haired, blue-eyed man "known for having twins"? it's 1960s Brasil, 3) if he did manage to get fresh sperm, how could he possibly artificially inseminate a large portion of a small town? 4) why would he bother with already-pregnant women?

I'm not saying that Mengele did or did not do whatever it is he's claimed to have done, I'm just saying that your explanation doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Alternatively, mad scientist practices genetic manipulation decades before the rest of the world discovers the technology... Or Chad Thundercock visits a small town in Brazil and many women fuck and have kids with tall attractive blonde man passing through occasionally rather than the local "boring" providers from the local population.

How much blue pill conditioning do you need to believe that these women simply didn't cuckold their men with attractive German tourists. That you're willing to believe Nazi scientists instead performed experiments 30 years later. Despite there being zero evidence that that nazi scientist lived there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Cuckoldry doesn't actually happen all that often, at a rate of 1-2%.

I find it not entirely implausible that a Nazi mad scientist obsessed with twins managed to discover an environmental factor which induces women to twin at a rate far higher than normal. On the other hand, it could just be a founder effect.

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've talked about this many times in the red pill, but early studies in the 60s/70s that showed 1-3% (among white married couples) were massively flawed and slanted to provide the lowest numbers possible. Only when it was completely impossible for the child to be the father's, was paternity disputed with blood typing. Using genetic testing on random groups of people the rate is higher. With non-married couples it's higher, with "poor" (aka average) people it's higher.

If you are white, suburban, in rural michigan in the late 60s, with a good income, it's 3%

If you're black, poor, living in the ghetto, and suspect your girlfriend of cheating, it's 30%.

Very recent studies from Mexico and Canada say 10%

How often do you think poor rural brazilians decide to fuck european tourists?

Hypergamy does not care.

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Okay. I have no reason to doubt your numbers, but it should be noted that the towns purportedly visited by Mengele were, and are, nearly wholly populated by persons of German extraction. In other words, it's a town of white, intact German families who just happen to live in Brazil. I suspect that, prior to the ongoing cultural deterioration which began in the sixties, Blacks and the poor had similar rates. It's a very highly politicized topic, no matter your political leanings. Not being particularly susceptible to cuckoldry, myself, I never much bothered to care.

On closer inspection, I think it's probably founder effect.


[–]SpongeCroft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he had the help of lots of dead jews. human experiments are pretty effective, yet cruel.

[–]sqrt77447 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

As a medical doctor in Germany I am acutely aware of this. The system is rotten to the core. Taxation and spending on garbage is crippling the productive sector of the economy, destroying potential productive jobs and forcing people to work more to maintain a decent standard of living.. This means both people in a relationship must work which leaves little time for child rearing. Kindergartens are woefully scarce and waiting lists are long. The problem in virtually all of the instances is the state interfering and preventing the free market from operating efficiently. The solution which practically everyone seems blind to, is to get the state out of the way. Reduce taxes. Let kindergartens operate like any other business - no central planning. Get rid of the (newly introduced) minimum wage which makes hiring an elderly nanny prohibitively expensive. In a free market without labor laws wages rise naturally, there are plenty of historical examples. Guess what quotas do? Pay more people to do the same work. Products become more expensive across the board so your Euro doesn't buy as much anymore. It should be possible for one parent to support the family as it often was until 1950-60. The solution is not political, it is getting rid of politicians.

[–]watersign8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

as a jew, i will say this. germanys problem is a jewish one and they need to tell Merkel and all other goldman sachs paid for shills to fuck off and stop letting mud immigrants in

[–]sqrt77441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well that's part of it, but we're back to my original point. We have politicians promising benefits to foreign usurpers. Can't really blame the uneducated non Europeans though.. Who wouldn't take up the offer of free stuff? Get rid of the reason they want to come here and they'll stop coming.

[–]workunit139 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Birth rates are due to the intelligent people realizing life will be too hard to raise children.

This is a failure of government because its essentially slavery, not feminism this time.

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I have to say, that there is no long term solution to this problem, other than a complete rollback to marriage 1.0, which will never happen as long as woman have a voting right. Repealing women's suffrage completely would be the only long term solution. A couple decades ago, were woman had the same opportunities wise, the birthrate wasn't this low. After the state and the jobmarket started to pander to woman only, more woman than ever were getting university education. You know the story, it is the same in the US.

Men are devalued, because they aren't the only possible provider anymore. Woman earn even more than men in the under 30 demograpic. But my goverment still tries to push the same 77 cents to a dollar argument.

Men and boys are dehumanized in the education system, female behavior is the norm, boys being boys are treated like defective females.

Oh and German woman are shit, looks wise and mentally fucked up. Add this to what was stated in the OP.

tl;dr misandric family/divorce laws females get pandered to exclusively at any level of gouverment and in education fucked up females (either mentally or physically) men are feminised, due to lack of male spaces and male role models

[–]Subtletorious7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy

None of those issues or suggested policies will change the simple fact: couples don't need to have children.

[–]Kanyin 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

You kinda forget how reproduction is a biological imperative and extremely hard to ignore.

[–]Subtletorious9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hard to ignore? The fact we are talking about entire nations that can't maintain their populations shows it is something which can be "ignored".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sure, but regardless what you think, most single woman over 30 want kids desperately. Marriage without reproduction is kinda pointless. Women and men in Germany don't want children for completely different reasons aside form the burden of time, energy and money.

[–]Subtletorious1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

They want 1-2 kids. They don't, generally, want >2. Too much of the former leads to population decline.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Long term solution to? Keeping our birth rates at an unsustainable level? We need to make sure birth rates stay high because? White people need to continue as a race when it's the filthy immigrants doing the work we won't do due to entitlement?

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Solution: Make marriage laws fair. Mandatory Pre-nup, Restore Fault divorce. Stop alimony and child support.

Future if solution is not applied: Women marrying other women and divorcing, splitting visitation rights over their test tube baby.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Future if solution is not applied: Women marrying other women and divorcing, splitting visitation rights over their test tube baby.

But still demanding that men "man up" and pay for their kids, via bachelor taxes, while they, the mothers, continue their crucial work in the local community theater group, because art.

[–]Longstreet1016 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

This whole country, its cultural, socially and political fucked up in so many ways... Most people don't want to see everything is in decline, still thinking everything is going to be alright.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We have enough, the economy is growing, we can take it. Bla bla same bla bla from all politicians. Their plan to stop the growing national debt is laughable to say the least.

[–]Longstreet1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They know how to keep the people satisfied. As long as the majority can afford to concentrate on toys and entertainment everything is fine. But there has to be more. Where is this country going?

[–]1raceAround1266 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Given the professional working world is geared up to prioritize women, isn't it obvious that middle class women are preferring those routes?

Of all the girls I've known over the past year or so, I could only count a handful of them with any decent standard of education. And most of those wouldn't even consider a long term relationship despite barrelling towards being 30.

However, a lot of the lower-class or working-class (however you want to put it) women are definitely maintaining that strategy of beta bucks.

Given the quality of women that men have available to them, the choice of poor slut who wants a free ride or bust leads to things like MGTOW.

Personally if I was in the market for an LTR, a girl who has never had a job and been looked after by Big Brother State wouldn't even be on the list.

[–]onepill_twopill11 points12 points  (16 children) | Copy

I think the Germans will be the first or second to rebel against this though. I've been looking at a fair bit of German culture and history and I reckon that as soon as they get ticked off enough, no more mr nice guy. I mean, they had some of europe's first Anti-Islam protests.

[–]LongtimeRPLurker23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol, I'm a German and I can assure you that most Germans don't have a single rebellious bone in them. This is the mentality of the average German: http://i.imgur.com/HfdyDFO.jpg

[–]RedAdalwolf5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think any western nation is going to "rebel." This was a war of the mind that was lost decades ago.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, stop bitching about it and either : try to change it or go live your life, in a country where most males are betas, you'll live as a king if you want it.

Evolution my friend, weak things will disappear and be replaced by stronger things, stronger as in stronger, not as in moral or logical or right.

edit : why would you even want to save a feminist country from collapsing, they wouldn't do shit for you if the roles were reversed, and empires come and go, plague, religion, communism, now it's feminism, and it's not good or bad, it's natural. You'd think the cause of the regress in birth rate is obvious, we can see it's because men don't want to get fucked by having children, but the vast majority of the population are either betas or feminists, and frankly, they don't deserve to be saved, the matrix attains a point when it should be restarted, wiped out and recreated, it's not the first or the second or even the last time.

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I've heard that by the end of this century, Muslims will be the majority of the population in Germany.

The Muslim patriarchal family structure will reproduce faster, immigrate faster, and eventually dominate German culture.

There is a reason why no "matriarchy" has ever survived in human history without tall mountains or wide oceans to protect it.

I wonder what Germany will look like in 50 years?

[–]1sardinemanR34 points35 points  (40 children) | Copy

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population, I promise you it will be fine with 9/10ths or even 1/2 the current population. This "crisis" is media manufactured, and also partly a fear by bankers and the other parasite classes that they might actually have to do real work again, without more ponzi slaves to take advantage of.

Just stick to TRP principles and take care of yourself. And then when it's time to go, it's time to go, you didn't think you would live forever did you? I don't see why it matters. You're a man, you were always expected to take care of yourself and work as long as you could, what changed? The fact that you might get paid more and valued more if there are less people around? Uh, that's not a negative...for an RP man.

[–]HAMMURABl37 points38 points  (6 children) | Copy

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population, I promise you it will be fine with 9/10ths or even 1/2 the current population.

yup. but wait and see how the world will look after a 90% decline of white population and an increase of muslim/african population.

[–]Deresetese0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The world will be fine, just different. Times change, ideologies change and the people who life to see a world that's dominated by muslims and africans will have their own way of living.
So long as we don't kill us all, humankind will be fine

[–]Dornerthecoroner8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look at what Africans are doing to the Boers in South Africa mate

[–]magus6788 points9 points  (26 children) | Copy

I see the "population decline" posited as a boogeyman on TRP quite a bit, and what is really being said is that the "wrong" people are being born. In this case, wrong usually being non-white people. I mean world population is increasing, to the tune of about 10 billion by 2050.

Ignoring all the social/political posturing about those numbers, the simple fact is that ecologically they aren't sustainable at anything approaching the American standard of living. The current population couldn't be sustained at the American standard of living. Strangely, one of the few benefits to come out of feminism might be it's reduction of birthrate and population.

Most of the conversation people have on this subject boils down to a bunch of people fighting over who gets to wear the captain's hat, while the ship itself is sinking. Basically, the kind of shit women do.

[–]trplurker 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

he current population couldn't be sustained at the American standard of living.

Actually it could, quite easily. The technology already exists for this and has for years. We could comfortably fit 10x our current population on this planet and still have plenty of empty space.

People really can't grasp how big our landmass's are. The #1 biggest problem isn't living space but food, which has already been solved by advanced agriculture techniques, we can now grow over and order of magnitude more food per unit of land then at anytime in our history. We grow so much more food then we need that we end of throwing large quantities of it away. We've had near unlimited energy for decades, it just wasn't politically acceptable.

The liberal myth of "overpopulation" is a bad joke now.

[–]magus6783 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy

I'm not going to bother responding to this unless you cite some scientific data supporting it. That I can address.

My experience has been that no matter how much data I would throw at you, you would just say "liberal propaganda" and ignore it. Its not worth the trouble.

[–]boscoist5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nuvlear power with recycling ( similar process to u235 enrichment) would allow us to have near unlimited power for centuries, even assuming increasing consumption.

[–]trplurker 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

I see you skipped right to the ad hominem.

Plenty of data available regarding each of those categories. Every time I read a liberal "only 2 billion people can live on the Earth", deep inside their methodology they always, without fail, adopt 1900's era technology. They assume the earths population must exist under the following situations.

Organic farming, which is a nice sounding word for old style 1900's era farming techniques.

Solar / Wind / Tidal power (wind and tidal are just results of Solar power on a planet scale), this is the big limiter that's used. By only counting the incoming light you can place a hard cap on the total population that is impossible to overcome.

Only living in existing flat locations without building new or expanding current cities. Another big limiter, we only live on a small fraction of this planets available surface area, less half of a percent.

When each problem is tackled using technology, suddenly it stops being a problem. Instead of forcing people to use ancient farming techniques, we embrace advances methods and technologies. It raises food production per unit of land mass by an order of magnitude (that's 10x btw). We plan our cities around manufacturing hubs and try to spread them out vs piling everything into single locations. And finally we stop chasing the black hold that is wind / solar / tidal, the universe won't change physics and the laws of thermodynamics in order to allow us to only use those. Nuclear has been around a long time, and Gen IV fission reactors are now being researched and developed in non-progressive non-western nations. Fusion has been in the works for a long ass time, and similiar to Fission, they have finally gotten away from the progressive jobs program of government only research and into private hands where they are now a dozen different approaches being tested and developed.

In the 60's the USA ran an experimental molten salt reactor that utilized the thorium fuel chain. The thorium fuel chain burns 99% of fissile material vs uranium 1%, don't produce plutonium and use's a fuel material that's abundant and extremely cheap. These were the reasons the US government decided not to go with it and shelved all the data after the experiment ran it's course, they needed the plutonium for weapons development and the belief was that oil would be a better energy to base the economy on.

Anyhow I can provide you a shit ton of material addressing each of these area's, but you would neither read them nor listen to any argument I presented. Your still stuck in the Nature = good, Humans (especially men) = Bad mentality. You should volunteer to put your money where your mouth is, follow your espoused beliefs and solve the worlds "overpopulation" problem by at least one.

[–]magus6780 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I notice you failed to cite any research.

[–]curiousthis1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I notice you failed to cite any research.

Here, let me do your homework for you.

[–]marlybarrow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Could you give us material for thorium, fission and fusion.

[–]DollarWill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Being physically capable of maintaining exponential growth is not the same as cultivating said growth to it's most efficient state.

By limiting energy consumption to our energy "income" from the sun, it allows us to re-purpose the other energy assets we have. Theoretically to enable space exploration and colonization. Something we do not require a large population to achieve.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm not going to bother responding to this unless you cite some scientific data supporting it.

Thank you for stopping by, Dr. Malthus, but your most recent disciple in this field, Prof. Ehrlich, didn't do any better than you in making your case.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population

Just a whole lot poorer. Sure hope productivity gains are incredible between now and a return to that population, otherwise...

[–]1sardinemanR6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lower populations=wealthier due to more resources per person.

If you want to see poor, go to a high population area...like India. That is poor. All the people there don't make them rich.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, and NYC is poverty stricken too, just like London, Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong./s

My guess is, if you ran the numbers, population density is not even as strongly-correlated factor you seem to think it is, let alone the causative force.

[–]Prattler260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

World will be fine with 1/10th current population, but our fiat currency ponzi economy will collapse. It already is collapsing.

[–]DannyDemotta0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your first paragraph directly contradicts the second. Do you think Blue Pill types climb the ladder to be CEO of Jp Morgan or Citi? Uhh....No.

Look, i know you liberal/bernie sanders types want to have your cake and eat it too -- vote Liberal whilst decrying their policies -- but sooner or later you need to slay that cognitive dissonance running wild in your mind.

[–]aakksshhaayy9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's great and all but Japan is one of the sexist countries in the world... the feminist movement is much smaller and very different there than the modern feminism of western countries. So how can you explain their low birth rates due to feminism?

[–]FortunateBum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I suspect these trends far surpass ideology.

The carrying capacity of the planet has been passed. Thankfully, instead of warfare, people are just having fewer kids. Probably because birth control is pretty easy in the modern world.

If you look at how adulterated processed food is, I think that's a clear indicator of civilization being at the end of stretching resources.

As we are learning, the baby boom way overproduced. The green revolution was a catastrophe.

Not everything bad in the world is because of feminism.

I'm guessing the world will, in a few generations, come to a more comfortable level of population.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a feeling you won't be getting any proper replies, it's an echo chamber in here.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

I would not blame feminism on this. Germany is not that bad regarding divorce. For example sex withdrawal is valid reason (for men) to divorce. And it is not uncommon for men to get full custody.

Problem is with status, jobs (overqualified mentality) and general sentiment in society.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Germany hates kids. Simple as that.

[–]privated1ck3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

All this population decline has happened since the destruction of the two-parent, one-income home that--as some of us witnessed--happened in the '70s and continues through today. Where are birth rates steady and rising? In nuclear families with strong religious faith, in areas not plagued by dictatorship and war.

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh and the climate for young entrepreneurs without capital is not friendly.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Face it - making the world "fair" and "secure" and "comfortable" and "affluent" eventually destroys our will to live. For 20,000 years we sustained ourselves through our drive to overcome adversity. Remove adversity and we lose our drive.

That's why socialism always fails.

(Posted this as a response but I think it's more pertinent than a simple reply to a single point:)

[–]CornyHoosier4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every man in here should take a good look at themselves. We are the men our grandparents wanted their grand children to be. We all have our weaknesses, but our strengths are so much more than our parents.

Overall the men of America are taller, stronger, more educated, more traveled & wealthier than any American before us. If you've taken TRP knowledge to heart, then you're well-groomed, financially stable (or on the right path), know how to interact with others & have control over your own emotions. Many of us here, myself included, have made significant strides in bettering ourselves and have seen real results. I know exactly who I used to be, so know in what areas I have progressed.

We young men are the ones being blamed for societies failures. A society that we've barely been apart of, and certainly don't have any congressional representation in. It's unfortunate that a large portion of our society does not realize that things have significantly changed since they were our age. I will not be caged into marriage and I will not be caged into an unwanted pregnancy. I'm too smart for that.

[–]Veles118 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most men in first world countries are now realizing that having children leaves them in an absolutely ridiculous situation. You basically relinquish all of your free time, have a women controlling many aspects of your life, AND you're paying hundreds of thousands $ over 18 years (more since you'll be paying for uni probably)

A lot of people, myself included, would want to have a son after they are well off financially, but for me the costs really outweigh the benefits.

[–]seius2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was talking to my girlfriend about this, and how it's going to continue to get worse until the system resets back to normal, and the muslims will be the majority oppressing the women again. Maybe it's just a cycle though, and they will get feminized too, and it will be reset by the next again.

[–]Lord_Varys2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

We will run into a Malthusian wall or a Keynesian one. All "advanced society" is built on the premise of growth. A growing younger population and a growing economy to sustain a smaller aging population through social programs.

What happens when you starve the beast?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Australian solution - target of 3 kids per couple.


"You should have one for the father, one for the mother and one for the country. If you want to fix the ageing demographic, that's what you do," urged Treasurer Peter Costello in the climactic throes of Tuesday's federal budget.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Your demographic is not my problem," replied me.

[–]FaustoRMD10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is what the elite wanted. Countries without identity and without family, individuals without power, depending of the government.

[–]l0ng_time_lurker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, it´s all about replacing statehood with corporations - a healthy family of 4+ is the smallest element of a state - Marxists / Anarchists have been fighting the family-ideal for decades - the founders of the swedish model of state-run-day care for toddlers - which was hailed as a womens´lib achievement to enable them to keep working while being a mother - has , IMHO, only one agenda: weaken the familiy and personal influence on instilling your own values into your child. The end-game is a fragmented society or not even one but several sub-socities that can be more easily governed.

[–]Piroko 16 points16 points [recovered] | Copy

[–]HAMMURABl32 points33 points  (13 children) | Copy

Trust me, Germany 2015 is like the opposite of Germany 1935. As op said, todays germany will push for more women working and more immigrants to counter the ever declining birth rate.

The causal thinking of "more women working" » "less babies" can MAYBE be seen by the average german, but solutions of sort "women staying more at home would solve the demographic catastrophe" are completely anathema to him.

Its like the germans cant find a stable midpoint, they have to go from one extreme to the other.

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I'm fascinated by what will happen in Germany. Will another leader arise to take back the country, or will it become a nation of towelhead nutjobs? Eighty years from a proud German people to a weak, castrated German people, will there be a German people in another eighty years?

[–]kalstate9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

will there be a German people in another eighty years?

Of course, they're called Amish.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

There are no Amish in Germany, and the Amish in America have neither a German identity nor a German state.

That is to say, they're German in the same way that white Americans are European.

[–]Piroko 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Amish in America have neither a German identity nor a German state.


Well, you're not wrong as worded but I would hesitate to say they've adopted the "American" identity or have any affinity to the "American" state. At least around Iowa, their identity is as "Iowan" as Robert E. Lee's identity was "Virginian".

[–]TamingDebt0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I think there's bound to be a tipping point in many of these European nations importing immigrants en masse. I don't think this is necessarily a violent tipping point (nor do I hope it is). I just think when the demographics shift really far in the direction of African immigrants, and the average German doesn't even feel comfortable, safe, or surrounded by peers in their own country, they will likely establish some measures of self-segregation like in South Africa.

[–]1kick61 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't think this is necessarily a violent tipping point (nor do I hope it is).

I think it's necessarily violent, and I hope it is, or it won't be successful.

[–]TamingDebt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think there's any need for that. I agree that the European people should self-segregate, but that's all it takes. No need to harm innocents.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

These peoples have already infiltrated. How, exactly, do you expect to get them to leave without violence?

[–]onepill_twopill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every culture has advantages and disadvantages. The German disadvantage is the lack of being able to have a midpoint, like an on-off switch.

[–]1London-Bananas4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

women were excluded from medical professions

Not the best idea if you plan on starting a world war within the foreseeable future

[–]Piroko 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Certainly; not everything they did made the best of sense.

However, as long as you're NOT at war, it does make sense. Doctor being a desirable profession in a husband after all. Tallying up all the professions that women find desirable in husbands and then systematically excluding women from those professions is a very effective way of manipulating the sexual marketplace to encourage strong family formation.

"Right" and "wrong" are relative and difficult to test, but whether or not something is effective isn't.

[–]Wtfiwwpt5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Multiculturism is the leading edge of a global depression. Instead of extending a helping hand to "3rd world nations", we are extending a free citizenship to a "1st world nation". The drag on developed nations will grow exponentially until the system breaks down, ushering in a economic depression worldwide. In no case will this lead to "the rich" being any less rich. But it will mean the destruction of the middle class, demoting them to low class to join all the imported citizens that brought the system down.

[–]olican1013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So, what? you want to force people to have children? As a homosexual male, i object pretty heavily to this.

[–]TimeHoTraveler6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes I don't know if I am on the red pill or stormfront

[–]PlanB_pedofile1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't get it why rich healthy economic and middle class countries tend to have less children than poor countries.

The childfree or two children is by choice while the poor are breeding 4 to 6 at a time.

This isn't just birth control and sex ed.

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a lot more that goes into birth rates than simple feminism but the culture of today has certainly contributed.

Birth rates fall with affluence usually (obvious exceptions at certain times in history). This has been observed as far back as the Roman Republic.

Contraception wasn't widely available until the last 70ish years

And any time there are major economic and geopolitical crisis both rates fall. Birth rates also fell during the 1970's and prior to that in the 30's and 40's etc. etc.

Right now the west is at a major extreme with birth rates but in 5 or so years if the economy turns around you'll see millennials (by then 20-40) will start blasting out kids like crazy

[–]DaphneDK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When looking at it from the outside, it's also a genetic experiment on a unprecedented scale. The future belongs to those that have children. Both the genetic line as well as the culture of those segments of society that are not having children will die off. By all accounts Christians and conservatives ought to be looking at a revival a few decades down the line.

[–]Cmon_Just_The_Tip6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's sad. Really sad. Look, I don't wanna start a debate on eugenics, but not having nordic people reproduce in big numbers is a fucking shame. You'd be a fool to not acknowledge that genetic pool is fucking gold.

The women have amazing hair, eyes and complexion. They produce solid offspring. And the guys are just fucking studs. Tall, incredibly good looking.

Call me hitler for all I care, but those are clearly genes worthy of being passed.

What a shame it would be if their women increasingly received weak beta seed and raised even more chumps.

[–]hamstercide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quick! We need more 3rd world immigrants!

[–]whatgold3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This reminds me of quantitative easing in the United States. If 1 round of QE doesn't work, do some more!

I have a hard time believing people are legitimately this stupid. There is evil at work.

[–]frys1801 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

People are incredibly stupid. Never underestimate them.

[–]shuaiya1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Where's the problem, isn't a low birth rate a good thing now? Japan and Germany should be given an award.

[–]monzzter2212 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The reason this is happening in a country like Germany, where the work hours are lower, the pay is higher, and the healthcare is good, is not economic.

It is 100% social. Men want children. We do. We want families.

But there's no incentive. When you put your life into your family, and there's no security there, no socially pressured reciprocation, the result is what many of us here have come to realize. We can never have the family life we want. We can't have the kids that we teach how to be people, because the school will teach them otherwise. We can't have the wives that take care of them, that have that glow they get when they are happy taking care of a house and kids all day, because they are taught that it is dehumanizing and shameful to be that woman.

We opt out. And western countries are starting to feel the effects of it. They are starting to see just how important a mans incentive to start a family is.

[–]donit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, we need to find another way in order to survive. Start a new country?

[–]cock_pussy_up9 points10 points  (36 children) | Copy

I think the way to solve the low birth rate problem is to remove women from schools and the workforce and give men priority in education and employment. That would provide a larger pool of "marriageable" men, make women less picky (hypergamy), more dependent on men, and give them more time for breeding without competition from education and employment demands.

Of course that solution is totally unacceptable to the ideology of the West. So, instead, they'll just keep on importing foreign immigrants until their nation is largely made up of people of foreign descent.

[–]castaway102 25 points25 points [recovered] | Copy

I don't belong in this thread, because I'm not a TRPer. What you're saying is confusing. One of the TRP philosophies is that women seek men who are rich and successful and will look after them, and that that's wrong and women are just users. But, when women internalise this philosophy, and feel that it's wrong to be dependent on a man's money (they earned it, so it's not for the woman) and so get an education and get a job that means they rely on themselves, that's wrong too. Isn't that contradictory?

What do you want from women? This is what it looks like to an oitsider:

  1. Women must be submissive to men.
  2. Women must provide men with 'woman sphere services': food, comfort, sex and loyalty, on demand.
  3. The man does not have an obligation to provide for the woman, but can if he wants.
  4. Women should be out of the economic, political and educational system.

[–]aakksshhaayy12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

this guy is just an idiot, he doesn't realize he's basically describing sharia law (limit women from education and work and ultimately basic privileges such as driving, being outside alone, etc.). Man if people in trp upvote this crap then this subreddit is going to shit

[–]donit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think women are taught to feel bad about depending on a man because they're raised with men as unisex "persons", rather than being raised as women.

And we can't really criticize them for not being submissive if they've never experienced it in their life or culture.

So, the first issue is they've never been given a role, other than (person equal to a man). Well, if it's a gender role intended to compliment the man's role, it can't be equal to a man, because that would be competitive rather than complimentary. The man's role is already taken by the man, so if her role was equal then it wouldn't be specialized.

So, the first thing we need to do is toss out the idea of equality because neither sex should try to be equal to the other. Can you imagine bringing equality to a baseball game? Everybody gets to pitch. How about football? Everyone is a quarterback. Everyone takes turns calling the plays and everyone gets a turn at each position. Any sports team that tried to do that would lose every game because there would be no specialization.

Well, if you consider a family a sports team, it's the same thing. A family of two "persons" is just not going to be able to compete in life. The birth rates and divorce rates illustrate that. Just like in the example, the teams all start to lose. It doesn't work.

So, we need to respect the female role (women) again. Somehow we forgot they were important, and wrote them off as a personal "cultural" option as if being a woman was just something little girls could opt into if they felt an emotional connection to the culture of it. Women are not a culture, they're the only way we can survive.

But you did bring up an interesting dilemma: what should the support structure be for women? The answer is whatever would guide them into their role, because our survival depends on them being there.

If they earn all their own money, then it's going to be hard for them to feel dependent on a man or be able to get into a submissive frame of mind. But to change that, we have to stop raising girls as independent professionals, and get them more aligned toward becoming wives and mothers. Instead of studying for a career, they should be educated in supportive roles like accounting, organizational management, people management, and scheduling.

It's not because women can't be men. They can. But we needed their gender in the first place. That's why they're here. That's why they're like that.

[–]mkopec-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not to cheat on me, then proceed to take 3/4 my shit, my kids, 1/2 my salary, while shes living with Chad T in my house? To be an indentured servant for her for the rest of my life? And when I dont pay I go to jail? Thats what I want. I dont care if she has a career, degrees, all the freedom she wants.Thats fine. But at the core the system is skewed to fuck the man. And I dont care if youre TRP or not, you should be smart enough to realize this, because it might happen to you my friend. This is why people in western societies are not getting married and not having kids.

[–]curiousthis-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the TRP philosophies is that women seek men who are rich and successful and will look after them, and that that's wrong and women are just users.

It's not a philosophy - it's an observation (cemented by experience). We're the red pill - we tell it like it is. That said, the first part is correct - women seek out men who are rich, successful and will look after them. It's in the second part that you're leaping to a conclusion.

TRP says that there's nothing bad or wrong about it - it just is and it's better for men to understand that.

So what do we want from women?

If I may use your list:

  1. The TRP expectation is that women would be the first mate to the captain. Submission has nothing to do with this.

  2. Women must provide men with 'woman sphere services': food, comfort, sex and loyalty - because she has either made a vow to that effect or because she realizes that it's the best way to support her captain.

  3. In return, the man does have an obligation to provide, protect, and nurture the woman.

  4. Women should not be given a free pass in the economic, political and educational system. If they want to play in that playground, they have to abide by the same rules that men do.

Hope this helps.

[–]Subtletorious17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy

Nope. You will just have a pool of bored housewives. People aren't having children because they don't need to.

[–]cock_pussy_up28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy

Part of the reason why women delay having children in their prime fertility years is because of school and career priorities. I'm not saying all of them would have children if they weren't in school or working, but I think more of them would.

[–]StManTiS17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, a college degree basically halves a woman's fertility and pushes the birth age up which risks more birth defects.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe it's actually a combination of a couple factors

  • Career oriented women are generally at university or climbing the career ladder in their reproductive prime years

  • The increased availability of low cost birth control

  • Even for monogamous long term couples, when both partners have full time careers they will often just opt out of having children due to already low amounts of free time.

  • The increasingly hostile institution of marriage.

There are some really smart people out there who actually are concerned that humans may some day go extinct due to lack of procreation as technology continues to improve.

Many futurists have expressed some concern as to what would happen if "virtual reality" on demand sex became widely available. If it literally felt 100% like the real thing, and you could customize it to your tastes, it's safe to assume many (more) people would drop out of the sexual marketplace altogether.

[–]curiousthis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

People aren't having children because they don't need to.

Exactly. Children were not considered the apple of your eye and coddled the way they are now. Prior to us becoming a rich country, children were essentially free labor (when on a farm or business). And having children made the difference between being able to grow enough to keep increasing your standard of living, or not.

I still remember my grandmother talking to distant cousins who were having trouble conceiving and had essentially decided to remain childless. And the only question she kept asking was "but who will help you with the farm?".

Needless to say, the farm is no more.

[–]the_code_always_wins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People haven't needed children for at least a hundred years.

The main issue right now is women are pushed to delay childbearing in their most fertile years and spend absurd amounts of money on kids.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

How the fuck are low birth rates a problem at all

[–]squirtmasterd9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anyone who values freedom and liberty would be appalled by this notion.

[–]aakksshhaayy6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

what the fuck, this is basically the thought process of sharia law (which is a really shit system)

[–]ejpusa1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are much better project managers then men. (IMHO). Seems would be bad business decision if you ask me.

Source: Capitalist :-)

[–]donit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just because you're skilled with a shovel, doesn't mean you should pick one up.

[–]C0UNTdrama1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the way to solve the low birth rate problem is to remove women from schools and the workforce and give men priority in education and employment.

You just crashed to economy, congrats. Now the whole country looks like an even shittier version of Detroit.

[–]1oldredder2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Expansionism is a mistake. You want more land per person not less. Birth rates should stop to equilibrium for good.

We have too many humans and not enough skill in each to work the land properly for long-term survival.

Megacities are a mistake. This earth should have NONE.

[–]Moridakkubokka1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Country's gone to hell, the only thing that could probably prolong this feminism ridden shit society is greatly automatizing jobs, rationalisation, using robots and the like.

Fucking hell, we're gonna end up a pussified matriarchy if there isn't another major world war soon.

[–]NiceTryDisaster1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sorry, but can someone tell me whats wrong with the birth rate plummeting? Doesnt it imply that theres more non-marital sex going around and no pressure to start a family..which is actually good for someone spinning plates isnt it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is that the economy is a pyramid scheme. They should probably fix that rather than encourage breeding. More people is rarely the solution to anything.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you understand anything at all about the way fiat currencies, inflation, economic growth, or social security policies work?

[–]kosmos951 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why is there so much hate going towards the immigrants in these comments. They see an opportunity for more comfort along with minimal risk and take it. Is that not human nature? And would you not do the same if put in their position? Sure they refuse to integrate with local values and bring with them a culture of oppression, but I thought that we were already living in a culture of feminist oppression. I also thought that part of being red pill is to be successful and to exert your own will on your environment despite the difficulties, hardships, and oppression your environment will inevitably exert on you. Maybe I'm ignorant or inferring too much from some comments but I get the feeling that there are some people here who are playing the victim card when it comes to blaming those dumb unskilled immigrants. Why do they matter to you? If you can't work on yourself like you should and aren't able to add value to your environment, are the uneducated immigrants to blame?

[–]TamingDebt3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I believe that most people of any race have a natural aversion to their people ("tribe") being totally extinguished. I believe this is natural. If every white person in the world moved to Nigeria tomorrow and significantly changed the demographics there, I would suspect the native Africans would be upset and they would be justified.

It doesn't necessarily have to do with any hatred on an individual level. I understand the motivation for immigrants from third-world countries coming to the West, I just personally find it unfortunate that my race of people is being extinguished, and that most people are too afraid to voice their opinions about immigration policy.

[–]kosmos950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess I didn't think of it from that perspective, that's a good point. There certainly is a natural instinct to see your own tribe prosper rather than decline. However I don't think the white race is being extinguished. Sure they are not repopulating to a great extent but there are so many opportunities to prosper simply through hard work and discipline. Perhaps I value the quality of a certain tribe's life more than the quantity of people in that tribe, but I don't think the white race is going anywhere anytime soon (in terms of holding power at least).

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Wow and I thought the holocaust was bad. But Sweden is projected to be a third world country in a few decades. This is what feminism and throwing away the best just to fulfill quotas does to countries. This whole thing is a child's problem just magnified by a fuckton.

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In regards to why people in power are doing this, I always thought they just do what people want them to do to stay in power, they don't even think about whether if it's good or bad

[–]Fishy19 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Two things.

First, I actually support of a declining population for ecological reasons, given that it doesn't happen too fast (for economic reasons). Yet, this is what's happening in Europe.

The 'miracle solution' has been attracting immigrants. But this is backfiring as they are costing more (low productivity) and Europe is islamizing. The majority of immigrants is not adjusting to our values enough. This will destroy Europe if nothing happens. And nothing will probably happen because leftwingers will immediately scream that we're being inhuman if we"ll send people back. I might consider moving to eastern Europe or North America (although I cringe at the feminized society in the US) in 10-20 years

Immigration shouldn't (well, can't) be the solution. I honestly don't know why politicians simply haven't supported getting babies more. Like actually giving support to full time mothers/fathers. Lots of people who don't work get an income, why can't people who decide to raise their children full time get some form of income?

Second, the only reason the US' population isn't declining is because blacks and hispanics (don't really know about asians) are having lots of children. The white population is declining as fast as it is in Europe. But the non-white Americans seem to be adopting to the American lifestyle relatively well, and they don't have issues with Islamization. This is why I think the US will do pretty well without a big white population (don't forget asians tend to be f*cking smart and hard workers).

Edit: I forgot to mention that the only reason the EU will still do well in the coming decades beucase of the growth of the Eeastern European economies. When they have matured, shit will be coming.

[–]lemundy78 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

"The majority of immigrants is not adjusting to our values enough"

You're afraid because the world is changing. And you rather like it a different way.

What do we preach here on TRP, brother? We see the world as it is. Not as we like it to be.

This extends to your predujice as well. Also, you saying nonwords like "islamizing" makes me think you have a closed circle of narrow minded people.

People are people. Women dont belong on pedestals, and immigrants will inevitably challenge and change a land.

Why not fight the sun and ask it to only project uv rays that dont cause cancer, forgetting all the good and necessary function it provides.

This is not meant to attack you, brother. Remember TRP, and let it extend to all your thoughts.

[–]IlliterateIllyrian 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

He's not prejudice. He doesn't want to see his culture disintegrate before him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

IlliterateIllyrian, you are on this website because you choose to think for yourself atleast to some extent.

So think about predujice, to the extent it relates to preconceived notions not being based on actual reality. Cultures don't disintegrate, they become reintegrated into societies.

None of us are an island, none of our cultures are authentic in that they haven't been pulled from a thousand other migrating or conquering peoples. To ignore this is to have a limited view of human history.

He references white population repeatedly, as opposed to hispanics, blacks, muslims (i'm assuming he's referring to brown people in general). He's talking about the destruction of europe at the hands of immigration.

If that isn't a predujice i'm not sure what you think qualifies as one. Europe won't be destroyed, it'll change. Please don't think that i'm trying to attack you, i'm trying to put your thoughts into a greater context.

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This has nothing to do with TRP, first of all. Even American population is decreasing, if we take off the immigrants.


[–]Riddick_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1 million "legal" immigrants per year in USA. Number one is Mexico, then China, Philippines, India etc.. Source: Home Land Security. See H-1B visa program also.

Nevermind all the "illegals" that cross your border, and a let in because... potential slave labour or eventually beef numbers for the prison system = all Big Corporate Profit paid with your taxpayers dollars.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe feminism is a population control protocal to introduce robots to make up for the shortage in labourers.

[–]holzy4440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is another example of how necessary the traditional complementary relationship is for humans to flourish. We're made to work together and make each other better. This is what the marriage 2.0 relationship fails to account for, and ultimately why many countries have less marriages and less new children.

[–]AirNova0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hopefully soon enough the low birthdate won't effect it as Autos become increasingly common the need for immigrant labor will fall to near zero levels

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Time to move to Germany and increase their population, IYKWIM.

[–]l0ng_time_lurker0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You are welcome - I am one of them - up for drinks @TRP , if you venture between Frankfurt and Heidelberg / Mannheim -let´s drink to my country and the continent going down the drain.

[–]TamingDebt0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

That is a weak mindset and I have no respect for you

[–]l0ng_time_lurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, but if TRP has tought me one thing it´s not to succumb to 3rd party expectations and impregnate any other woman just to play house and do my duty as a german citizen - quallity women are rare - if you are not in an LTR after 30 you must compromise on quality or choose to stay out of an LTR / remain childless

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're fucking dumb. The entire point of TRP is to improve yourself and work on yourself, because you can't change your country.

Not having delusions is a weak mindset? Fine, my mindset is weak.

[–]TamingDebt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Celebrating the destruction of one's own homelands and culture is weak in my opinion. It's something our ancestors wouldn't have stood for.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think he meant he was actually pleased to see this happen...

[–]DarkenedDystopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Of course it's nothing more women and african men can't fix!

[–]beginner_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

Swiss. The problem here is similar. You either need to be poor, eg. unemployed and get benefits, which are huge or be upper middle class. Anything in between you fare worse than the unemployed. It was recently shown that a family with 2 kids and a 12k CHF income fare better than anyone earning up to 100k a year. (Note 12k is nothing as the median monthly wage is about 6k...

But you get the picture. Either you make over 100k or just quit your job. The only gotcha is that if your parents have money, they have to pay you before you get benefits. Due to