Corporate Politics - With Women

justpickanyusername · 2020-02-17T22:43:54+00:00

If they are difficult to deal with, switch jobs and find a better environment. You can sometimes influence people, but you can’t control them. It may or may not be worth the mental energy in your situation to try and make it work. That is entirely up to you. You sound fairly far down in the pecking order. One reason why I personally don’t like the really large corporate environment.

simbarlion · 2020-02-18T01:50:34+00:00

Quit your bitching and learn the game. Here is the main bit you need to know (specific to work environment).

Firstly,

Women are by default reactive, men are by default proactive. Men plan, use strategy, consider, adjust, they see the future. Women 'feel', respond, react, they see the now. As much as it sounds negative, women aren't built to be leaders - they don't know how best to lead others in work. Being the one they rely on goes a long way - but they will still take the credit.

Secondly,

Social structure. Men are hierarchical, and will respond to a leader, and won't question him until there is a weakness, at which point they will gladly overthrow the leader when the time is right. Women are consensual, they will seek the consensus within a group, and generally only move forward once everyone is 'on board'. Importantly they get shitty when you don't 'get on board'. If you are perceived as on board you will have less issues.

In summary, men like heirarchy and getting shit done. Women get preoccupied with group dynamics and upset if they don't get consensus. If you are not on board your female bosses path, she will want you out of the group. It is an unnatural dynamic to have a woman lead a man (who knew?)

There is an excellent post on this that addresses social dynamics in much more detail

EDIT - read this http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/05/female-social-matrix-introduction.html

EDIT 2 for you lazy fuckers - a key take away from the master himself:

Female competition is subtle and indirect, a matter of turning group consensus away from the established leaders' desire toward your own. And if you're thinking that's a lousy way to run a company or a non-profit or any organization that wants to actually get something done, well, I can't argue with that.

creating_my_life · 2020-02-18T00:31:02+00:00

I'm going to be the contrarian here....

I've had several women bosses in my career. And, truthfully, most all of them were very, very good at their job. I've found that both men and women can be incompetent, shitty bosses.

Your strategy to maximize your career is mostly gender-neutral. Look out for your own ass, get visibility with people that matter, and take every opportunity you can to get more money.

You're angry because there's incompetency above you in the hierarchy. Well, yeah, that happens. It's not a male-female thing. It's a life thing.

Big_Daddy_PDX · 2020-02-18T06:45:05+00:00

Christ, it’s the hottest economy in decades. Get a new job. You’re talking about some bizarre corporate gamesmanship that’s akin to a 6-ball combination shot in pool. Leave already. Oh yeah, I’m a corporate recruiter in Tech. The deck is going to be stacked against you because you aren’t a woman.

RStonePT · 2020-02-18T12:21:01+00:00

You never explained what you want to have happen.

What's your ideal outcome?

HeckleandChide · 2020-02-17T22:49:57+00:00

Get a different job. Corporate America is a field full of landmines on this shit and #metoo can destroy your entire career.

Get another job as quickly as possible. You have zero options here if these ladies don't get moved along by the board / CEO.

In the meantime, reread 48 LOP and look for specific applications in your day to day.

BobbyPeru · 2020-02-18T00:11:08+00:00

How long have you been in your position? This is not necessarily a woman issue - it could be a corporate culture issue. It doesn’t sound like you have any male superiors for comparison though.

Just watch your back, and if the writing is on the wall, check out other companies... or if you have the balls, start up your own company on the side until it grows enough to get out. Entrepreneurship is not for the weak though. If you think corporate is tough, try flying without a net with your own business. Your income relies on you solely and you don’t get a paycheck like corporate. I’m stating the obvious, but this is why so many choose to be a corporate slave instead of entrepreneurship.

My point... you are young enough to start thinking about starting your own gig and be in charge of your own destiny.

wkndatbernardus · 2020-02-17T23:29:31+00:00

If the pay is good, who cares? Let these sluts drive business in the west into the ground while you stack that cash until you can GTFO. Then, work on something that you actually care about instead of trading the best years of your life for $.

markreadsred · 2020-02-18T00:28:47+00:00

Keep files on all of them. Record every conversation you have if you are in a single party consent state or province.

I was in a similar situation once and was able to deal with a wall smashed 3rd wave feminist and her little dog too. Posted a plaque on my wall that said: "I do not use the word promise in this office." To kill and covert contracts coming for her. And saved every communication for ammo when needed.

They say the business world is cut-throat for a reason. Keep yourself sharp and let the dull appointees of the affirmative action brigade hang themselves on their own lack of ability and skill.

red-sfpplus · 2020-02-17T22:40:00+00:00

If your boss is a woman, and wants you to fuck her to get the promotion to Partner.

Just FUCKING DO IT MOTHERFUCKER.

Do not be me.

Maximus_Valerius · 2020-02-18T02:44:04+00:00

How is your post different from every other victim puke?

odysseysred · 2020-02-18T04:00:28+00:00

You're going to have to settle in for the long game. The progress you have made to this point was victory over the uninitiated or the uninterested. You will have to tighten up your game to overcome those that are wise to the game and have an easy defense of their immediate position. I find females in power to be incredibly short sighted and easy to distract from the primary objectives of the workplace. You can easily plant the seeds of dissent and get them playing against each other.

Print the middle Karen's resume and leave it in an obvious place. Start a rumor shining a poor light on the lower Karen. Become useful council to the top Karen.

Treat many interactions as shit tests but with low energy deflection. Keep it positive. Never complain. Feign weakness.

Read the 48 laws of power.

1Apolyon · 2020-02-18T00:44:23+00:00

If you want to play office politics you won’t likely excel. That said, know your handbook- all the bullshit that gets people in trouble.

As someone else wrote, keep files on your superiors, just in case.

HR exists to protect the company (not you)- just remember that before reporting their bullshit to HR.

Also just about everyone in corporate culture doesn’t “deserve” their job. About 80% of people are hired due to who they know. Organizations are filled with cronyism, nepotism, and relationships that you aren’t aware of.

tspitsatgp · 2020-02-18T01:16:52+00:00

If you want to be a middle manager forever keeping whining like a little bitch. If you want to get to the top learn to play the fucking game.

SteveStJohn · 2020-02-17T23:09:17+00:00

Can you get in front of the CEO?

YourWife-MySlut · 2020-02-18T06:55:08+00:00

Mmmm...

Sounds like they are high in sociopathy. Don’t listen to guys telling you these women are business as usual. High sociopathy women who are also intelligent are the most dangerous.

Safest bet? Leave. Seriously this is a mine field and You can be goddam sure they won’t leave room for you. 100% you are at a dead end and that won’t change without a death.

Look for a VP position with a smaller firm or a lateral shift to a bigger firm.

SBIII · 2020-02-17T22:32:26+00:00

Just ride them all. They want your cock badly, so put them out of their misery.

markpf73 · 2020-02-18T01:47:08+00:00

Is this post a complaint about working with or for women?

Or are you seeking advice on how to navigate?

1) For starters you sound like a big fat or skinny faggot for complaining that affirmative action is the reason why you’re not the boss of everyone. Just saying...you sound butt hurt. If you were that good you’d be there.

2) Female boss or male boss? any boss can be a nightmare or a dream. It all depends on how you play the game.

3) climbing the corporate ladder amongst men or women is no different. It’s a game that takes a varied skill set to manage long term.

4) stop complaining and start learning how to play the game. Most corporate ladders are not meritocracies. Most corporate ladders are not fair. Machiavellian tactics and the 48 Laws of Power can lead you up it if you put in the work.

5) make sure you come home daily and vent to your wife. Gets ‘em real wet...

screechhater · 2020-02-18T02:41:34+00:00

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