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LTR of 8 years 'Accidentally' kissed another dude (self.asktrp)

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I was out partying with my bros yesterday. LTR of 8 years was attending her bff's birthday party at a club. She sent a text at 5am saying how she kissed another dude when they hugged for 2 seconds by 'accident'.

I haven't replied or called her yet, i'm still drunk from last night and it really hasn't sunk in yet. How do i respond to this??


[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children) | Copy Link

Backed up for posterity: https://archive.is/wip/A5NyK

edit: this thread was the topic of today's video https://youtu.be/XB_8tpfyPDs

My comment was going to be what others have already honed in on: Trickle Truth. She did a lot more than "accidentally" kissed some dude, not that it was an accident. And texting at 5am? What do you think she was doing the 3 hours after the clubs closed? It wasn't an accident I'll tell you that.

Related threads:

https://archive.is/wip/13Sq5
https://archive.ph/wip/n4t0b
https://archive.is/wip/QPNrC

[–]Pushnikov624 points625 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Minimal interaction to get her to talk.

I would just respond “interesting.” And let her start spilling her guts out. If you talk in person or on the phone, use silence as your weapon. That’s your most dominant position. The more she talks, the more submissive she becomes and you should get an idea of what really happened and what she really thinks.

Keep responses to one word answers. Get her to talk more than you. There’s nothing to lose here, only to gain.

[–]TSM_Bjergson173 points174 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This advice is gold and applicable to so many situations in life.

[–]eugenechien26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

didnt know bjergson was red pilled

[–]LethalShade8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂 Of course

[–]ashwani26592 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I can think of situations, why veteran gamers can be red pilled

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A good one is, "(pause)... and?"

[–]1rugged796 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Weapons-Grade Hamster Destroyer

[–]beingamannotadayjob60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MVP response. OP follow this advice and I want to say that I’m really sorry for you, but you will end up fine no matter the outcome.

[–]melungeonmuscle24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a wise approach

[–]guccilaflare889 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Power move

[–]y0ussefhesham6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect way to deal with this!

[–]eternalgnome6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"let them talk" good advice

[–]EvelynnSpoiler7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Inb4 she claims rape

[–]MaistroMariguano13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This. Every other answer is someone telling him to immediately leave her.

[–]din_far56 points57 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because that is the correct answer. Yeah, if you talk to her, you can get "closure", you can keep fucking her (for a while), learn about the lies she tell herself, etc.

The important part though, is understanding why women cheat, what it means, and why talking can't do anything to change that.

[–]recon_johnny23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's not forget that closure is for her, not for you.

She'll trickle the truth, but it'll take days and it won't be everything. EVERYBODY here knows that.

But dude you replied to wants to 'know' what happened, and he thinks this'll provide the magic path to those answers.

The rest of us already do.

[–]Per_Horses61 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love this

[–]HumbleTrees1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing advice.

[–]CasaDeFranco1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she starts crying hysterically, you will know.

[–]park_hobbo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. I agree. Act distant and not intereested.

[–]iwviw-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you’re saying to stay with her and use this fuck up as ammo?

[–]monky-loves-you573 points574 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

My guess is she's only telling you because someone might have seen something and you might find out otherwise.

She sent a text at 5am

lol that timing, there's definitely more to this story, but I doubt you'll ever find out all the truth

8 years thrown away just like that, you just found out your turn is over. Sorry about that dude.

[–]askmrcia189 points190 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't agree me more with this comment op. Geez 8 years though.

There had to be other signs there. 5am is the key to the post

[–]omega_dawg9396 points97 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yep. she's got dick breff.

chad donated DNA... move on op.

[–]Arnoux0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

chad donated DNA

But it was an accident!!!! /s

[–]1RedPillFusion35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great chance more than that happened too. Wish her the best of luck.

[–]californiawaves2314 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the cold hard truth.

[–]CasaDeFranco2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, kind of fucked people are like this. I've known men through business who have done the same thing, and I asked him, why would you fuck your fiance over this hard?

He paused and responded, "I don't know".

These people have no self control or self reflection, all the decisions, getting drunk, going to a club, flirting, dozens of choices where they could have made better choices.

[–]rplad4206 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

someone might have seen something

Most likely the lads commenting below.So loyal to OP that they keep following his girl- they seem to know for sure that she fucked someone else.

[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood73 points74 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

This is classic "trickle truth". She is not LTR material just by going to clubs, let alone kissing other guys and good chance they fucked too.

Dump her. "This isnt working for me anymore. We're done. Best of luck." and move on.

Think about your vetting process, your frame, and what lessons you learned going forward. Get on purpose, lift, keep an active social life, have a hobby or two and game other women.

[–]Protocol_Apollo8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

“Not LTR material just by going to clubs”

I agree but in this case, it’s a bit different.

It was her close friend who decided to have the party at the club.

[–]linkinway[🍰] 28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

not really. 33 secrets had made a video on this. he said it doesn't matter and what kind of woman celebrates a birthday in a club?

[–]Protocol_Apollo4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeh that would apply to the original girl - the one who actually is celebrating her birthday not the ones who are the +1s.

[–]L1amas7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But what does it say about the +1s who are active friends with and accepted the invite of such a person?

My LTR wouldn't even have such friends. Not on my watch.

[–]According-Cod6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're actually right, my LTR has a friend who cheats on her bf and invited my girl to a club when she was in town, as far as I know my girl said no.

[–]linkinway[🍰] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

your LTR has such a friend is actually a red flag. how comfortable would you be being friends with someone who actively cheats on his gf? the biggest reason women cheat so highly is the group approval from other women. I have come across one woman who spoke against this insane infidelity by women, she said, she couldn't stand women.

[–]According-Cod4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's true, recently she's been distancing herself from her friends that are like that so it kinda makes up for it.

[–]Protocol_Apollo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree: birds of a flock fly together. Club sluts hang out with club sluts.

However my assumption was that this clubbing event was a one time only for a special reason: her birthday. (Maybe I am right or maybe I’m wrong where this friend was a club slut).

What would you do then: when a friend of a LTR, who doesn’t club often, wants to spend one birthday there? Or do only club sluts want to spend birthdays in a club?

[–]JoeAccidental1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"In this case, It's a bit different", err... no it isn't AWALT. Your turn just ended. Sorry dude, this is gonna hurt like hell, good luck. Go and read the marriedredpill sidebar, it will help you in your next LTR

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Birds of a feather. Doesn't matter why she was there. The fact she went without him is all that matters.

[–]Protocol_Apollo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If she went behind his back/against his wishes then yeah I’m 100% with you.

But hypothetically, let’s say OP couldn’t make it.

Would you then let the girl go to a one off clubbing event for a friends bday?

Or are you saying that girls who host a bday at a club are most likely a club slut (ie non ltr material) and thus by extension the flock?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

are you saying that girls who host a bday at a club are most likely a club slut (ie non ltr material) and thus by extension the flock?

This.

[–]FilipDimko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect response

[–]Raurigh108 points109 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sorry to hear that, man. It's over. You ever accidentally kiss one of your bros? "Oh, my bad. No homo, dude." Also, as others have said, sounds like damage control.

"I fucked this dude and it might get back to him, but if I get ahead of it by admitting something smaller that he'll forgive, when he hears I fucked another dude, I can claim it was a rumor and that I told him what actually happened. Plus, I'm not cheating because I told him I did something I shouldn't, even if it isn't the full story(girl logic/anti-slut defense)."

It's just too dangerous to let it slide. Women never forget a boundary that's been broken. It's like law to them. Sets the precedent for the whole future of the relationship.

[–]AceZentura44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This made me laugh “oh shit bro no homo lol”

[–]BPYCKorea-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's very different... she didn't kiss one of her girls

[–]Raurigh1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. So how did one of her boys end up in a position to be "accidentally" kissed?

[–]BPYCKorea-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You misinterpreted OP post. He was out with his friends and his gf was out with her friends. Two separate venues. His gf kissed a random dude

[–]Raurigh5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao, woosh.

[–]Modredpillschool[M] 151 points152 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Trickle truth.

No such thing as accidentally kissing somebody.

[–]Protocol_Apollo12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In this case, I’m willing to bet my life on trickle truth due to “accidentally” and the 5am timing of the text.

But how do you know the difference between her saying a trickle truth and the whole truth?

Or is it irrelevant since most, if not all, of the time, whatever has been mentioned is already enough for a breakup?

[–]Ill_mumble_that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The break-up happens whenever a man decides it should. There doesn't need to be "enough."

In this case, the man should decide to break up, and he should do it quickly.

[–]mrrooftops10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

This. Oh boy is there more. The iceberg that hit the titanic was tiny compared to this truthberg.

[–]catsdontsmile8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You know, my first instinct when I hear this is to go against the TRP truths. I think, "pff we need more info, you can't be sure of that shit, this is bs, these guys are far too extreme" but I actually know a girl who did this exact same shit to her LTR and winded up marrying him without ever fully disclosing what she had done (I knew the full story because I was best friends with her bff). So even though my head says "no waaay" my brain leans more towards "TRP is 100% correct"

[–]screenmagnet1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Are they still together?

[–]catsdontsmile4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't talk to these people anymore, but I got curious the other day after reading this ... and they have a kid.

The guy is a doctor from a well off family. My friend would tell me these 2 factors played a big part in her wanting to reel him in. He wasn't making money when she cheated on him, he was at that stage where they do their unpaid internship or whatever but he had a promising future ahead. I've never had backstage seats to a gold digger, what a disgusting person.

[–]screenmagnet0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok. Are they happy (as happy as anyone can be in a marriage with kids, I mean) though?

[–]Ill_mumble_that4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The dude has a kid with a cheating whore who married him for his money.

You think he's actually getting the kinda sex life from her that satisfies a man?

Fuck no! He is not happy.

He's probably clueless. He is going to either invest himself fully in work or in his kid and think that's just his lot in life. If he's not a total chump he'll at least have some side chicks, but there's no chance he'll do it with her blessing unless he introduces 'swinging' to the mix.

Meanwhile the wife is dreaming about strange cocks and probably getting some when he's at work and she can set up a baby sitter. Or she's going to just focus on the kid and let herself go full flaming fatass.

[–]screenmagnet0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, he’d probably be unsatisfied with the sex life in a marriage with kids regardless of who he married.

[–]Ill_mumble_that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. You can have kids and still have lots of hot nasty sex with your woman. Anyone that tells you otherwise is just unable to make it happen and that's their problem. If she's not having sex with you it's because of you, nothing else.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a big leap to assume from a big fuck up that their current life is like that. I mean sex probably is not important because they have a kid now and that changes things. And hopefully she's seen the error of her ways now that she has to be a big girl and take her boy to school

[–]catsdontsmile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't know. I'd imagine so since they had a kid very recently but I don't know what goes behind closed doors. But would it matter? He's blissfully ignorant at best. AFAIK he never found out she fucked some other guy behind his back, she only admitted to having kissed him. I'm pretty sure he suffered from Oneitis with her because she's always been a bitch and not even an attractive one.

[–][deleted] 132 points133 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your turn is over. Don’t be a chump, don’t fall for the trickle truth and crocodile tears that will soon be coming your way.

The fact she’s even out at clubs at 5am on girls night out is more than enough to dump her on it’s on. She’s not relationship material.

[–]fiasco_jack65 points66 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don’t accidentally kiss and hug some random stranger at the club, you accidentally kiss the guy who was buying you drinks and flirting with you all night, the guy you never told to back off, the guy you didn’t tell you had a boyfriend. And that’s going with her story that that was all they did.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

[–]breathintoyourballs13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly not relationship material the worst kind to have kids with

[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This.

[–]RedLegendx170 points171 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Women always take whatever they did down 3 notches, so it’s safe to say they made out at bare minimum, I’d say she probably fucked him though.

[–]bosmers_are_manlets115 points116 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Who knows -- maybe the kiss WAS an accident, but the fucking afterwards wasn't.

[–]linkinway[🍰] 32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

a kiss between man and woman is NEVER an accident

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've made out with the drunkest of girls, and I have been shot down for the kiss on the even drunker of girls. There is no accident.

[–]mrmaika1018 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever accidentally kissed a woman? How the fuck does could that possibly happen? “Oops sorry didn’t mean to kiss you, I tripped on that bit of carpet and fell lips first towards your lips. I actually have a girlfriend I’m very invested in”

[–]antariusz30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://imgur.com/gallery/f4DMU

[–]JohnnyOmm7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking gold lmao

[–]rplad42041 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Go easy on him. His ex will probably eventually tell him that she fucked. He doesnt need to hear it from everyone. Imagine wasting 8 years on a girl like that, would be very hard to digest the truth.

[–]1matrixtospartanatLV61 points62 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

He was evidently happy for 8 years. NOT a waste of time.

The only wasted time is every moment he spends with her from here on out.

Dogs bark.

Babies cry.

Women cheat.

Move on.

[–]rplad4204 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He did. 8 years is a very long time and often the memories and bond stays unforgettable. Hopefully OP moves on.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why was it a waste? Apparently the autists in this sub think all women are the same and will cheat. Assuming you’re correct then a LTR is worth what it gives you, it isn’t building to anything because all women cheat and that means all relationships will end. So how is it a waste?

[–]Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two words: "Trickle-truth". OP, if you hear me, it is in the TRP glossary.

[–]Nastynatee207 points208 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

She's dunzo dude. End it now. Then retrace your steps to find the fuckery so your smarter the next time around. Sorry to hear this buddy, 8 yrs is a long time. Unfortunate.

[–]Speedracer111114 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reflection is good, but dwelling is bad.

One of the hardest pills to swallow, its just your turn. He could have done everything correct, but she met a guy that gave her butterflies (at that moment), kissed him and perhaps did more.

[–]JazzyHustlah56 points57 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is the way

[–]CSauceHockey13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the way

[–]According-Cod1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the way

[–]impotentludius15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

this is the way

[–]hashishandbeer5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, straight up Game. Adjust and Move forward. This is the Way.

[–]SupremeBBC23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mando knows. This is the way.

[–]linkinway[🍰] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no he just found out after 8 years once she did. she admitted only cos he would find out. chances are she had been cheating even before.

[–]Sergelano74 points75 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you stay with her she'll know she can get away with anything and will 100% do it again, you can trust me on that.

8 years... these females man i just can't

Anyways keep your head up king and continue with your journey. (without her)

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kiss him means she probably kissed him on the dick and woke up in his bed at 5am or was sitting in an Uber home at that time, dude, her friends probably were there too- I’ve seen so many of my female slut friends do this, be glad you dodged a bullet.

[–]Kaimoos48 points49 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Accidentally next her.
(No need to verbalize it to her)

[–]Racour70 points71 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Move on king

[–]NabroleonBonaparte60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two mistakes: LTR’d a girl who goes to clubs, kept the girl for 8 years.

Assuming you started dating at 16, that would put you guys at 24yo which is prime time for a girl to ride the cock carousel. Should’ve saw this potentially coming.

If you guys are older and you started dating in your 20s, you fucked up and should’ve saw this coming. She potentially really wanted to marry you but because you been playing High school with her for 8 years, she’s looking for a guy that actually wants to lock her down and put some babies in her.

She probably got a revenge fuck (kissed? Txt you at 5am to tell you she kissed? Lol) and the only reason she told you is because she wants your permission to fuck other guys while dating you. If you forgive her and continue dating, that’s implied permission that you’re ok with being cucked.

Sorry OP.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She "accidentally" sucked his dick.

She "accidentally" gave someone a lap dance in VIP at the club.

She "accidentally" went home with this guy.

She "accidentally" got finger banged.

And you are going to "accidentally" break up with her and leave her ass in the streets where she belongs.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

5am... when do the clubs close?

[–]askmrcia53 points54 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In most of the USA they close at 2am. 2:30am max.

Op is in Vegas, NYC or south Beach if not in some other country. A girl in a long term relationship out at 5am is just off.

I suspect that their relationship had issues well before this event. I can't see this coming out of nowhere

[–]second-last-mohican36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah i think she fucked some guy and then got the guilts cos someone saw her get an uber or something and called or messaged her asking where she went in the ube.. and she panicked messaged op some trickle truth

[–]silvereddi35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This 100%. She fucked him and now is lieing to op and telling him it was only a kiss „accidentally“. Next time they argue she will be tell him it was a ONS but only happened „accidentally“, because she was drunk. Or even blame the guy with rape accusations

[–]Japaliicious3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

7am in Brazil

[–]iwviw6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What drugs do you guys use?

[–]Kyomeii5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've left a party at 8am once at a uni sport event

1am is normal time to arrive at the clubs

[–]woyspawn3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

2am in Argentina. There is no cover before 2am so they can start filling the club early.

[–]its_meKnightSwolaire13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

End it bruh. Honestly you don’t want to be in an LTR with a chick who’s out drinking until 5am with other dudes anyways

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Say “not what I heard” but you two are done bro don’t be a sucker

[–]watchguy453 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The other dude was deep inside of her and all you could see is his nutz hangin out. My condolences.

[–]ay-fuh-q26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When she says she “accidentally” kissed some guy, she swallowed his cum.

Dude. It was 5am. She did more shit with him than a pornhub video.

You’re an idiot if you don’t immediately discard her.

[–]borka30009 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck her friends.

[–]ApdoSenpai28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Willing to bet it wasn’t just a kiss and she ended up fooling around with him.

8 years sorry man. I wouldn’t respond for a couple days to clear my head. I might not even respond for life. Good luck.

[–]VipKyle8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've never seen so many RP commenters telling someone they should get married.

[–]legitniga1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

For real. What’s going on with this sub? Who let so many blue pills in here?

[–]Finn_the_dawg7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar thing happened to me. Tried to move over it. Trickle truth came out. She blew him. That's the most I got out of it. Move on bro.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]3chazthundergut5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

God that would be so liberating to me.

You get a guilt-free pass out of an 8 year LTR and she even had the decency to notify you you didnt have to find out third hand that your 8 year LTR was macking on some dude at a party.

Be grateful she demonstrated her true feelings for you before the wedding and the kids and before you became even more entangled.

Time to hit the gym and get back in the field

[–]bowhunter64 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

WTF is up with all these chumps saying he should have married her by now? Some of y’all need to re-read the sidebar and take a good long look in the mirror, Bc you’re still as blue as a fucking Smurf.

[–]btrpb12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

8 years. Time to move on anyway.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s over. You don’t need her. Get a new one.

[–]empatheticapathetic7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo has you covered. Get ready to go to the gym after reading: https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/24/please-breakup-with-me/

[–]linkinway[🍰] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there is a red pill rule by which you should not date women who would go to clubs. it was made by 33 secrets on YT. Amazing video, will share the link after finding it. point is women in relationships have no right to go to those places.

And the first comment very well summed it, she didn't want you to find from someone else, that's why she told you. chances are she had been cheating even before.

Edit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QGvmAhcNRuU

it's a long video. it's not entirely about clubs but about how to maintain frame in which the club topic comes. so wait for it!

[–]theUnBannableHulk50 points51 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Why’s she hugging dudes “by accident”

Then kissing him “by accident”

Then falling on his cawk repeatedly “by accident”

Also, you haven’t married her/haven’t impregnated her for 8 years and she’s out partying till the morning. Even if you are in a cucked country you’re 5 years past the time when women wanna know where the relationship is headed. You gonna LTR her till she 80 OP?

Go to the fucking sidebar and read 50 Shades of Red phaggot.

And have a plan for every LTR before the 3 year deadline.

If you propose to her now she will suck and fuck the stripper on her bachelorette party and relentlessly cuck you, which, at this point you frankly deserve.

8 directionless years, Jesus, grow the fuck up manboy.

[–]spliezer25 points26 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

this is retarded. marrying her 5 years ago wouldn’t have changed shit. in fact the text would read “sorry i cant do this anymore i fucked another dude. we need a divorce” as opposed to just a kiss.

[–]theUnBannableHulk4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you believe her “just a kiss” isn’t hiding her ass for fucking the guy and being afraid her friends may narc on her invalidates your philosophy and life experience.

But hey you wanna live your life like a terrified pansy go for it. Obviously you’re not masculine enough to manage bitches in LTRs.

Also, read the comment specifying country specific mating strategies.

[–]spliezer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

them being married wouldn’t have changed anything and she probably would have kissed or fuck whoever anyway.

it’s not like marriage actually prevents cheating you moron lol...

all i do is manage bitches in ltr. last one was 6 years then i dropped her. keep living in fantasy land can’t wait to read your story about marrying a girl you’ve been dating for 3 years and then 5 years later you walk in on her with another dudes dick in her mouth and you can’t believe how she could do something like that because you’re “married” lmao

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, read the comment specifying country specific mating strategies.

Is that in the side bar? I don't remember seeing that.

[–]neveragoodtime-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Breaking up with her 5 years ago would have changed shit.

[–]spliezer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well yes this is true obviously lol but he didn’t..

[–]Whitefarmer20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In 8 years she should so busy raising your little shit lords that going out tell 5 am should be a once a year date with her king

[–]kellykebab20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. What the fuck do people expect when they "date" someone for 8 years and they're still out drunkenly partying with separate friend groups? What a joke.

If you can't actually commit to someone after 8 years and settle down and have a family, you're "hanging out," you're not in a seriously committed relationship.

People seemed to know this a few decades ago, but after just a hint of "liberation" everyone thinks they can stay emotional teenagers forever.

[–]theUnBannableHulk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. 👍🏻

[–]second-last-mohican1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Op could still be early 20's?

[–]theUnBannableHulk4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Could be but 8 years , early 20s means they dating since she was 14-17

Bitches at that age are baby crazy and in love and the most frequent to get pregnant early and settle down so I don’t think this is the case.

[–]liquorbaron1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's because a woman's best chance to pair bond is before she gets on the cock carousel or has even fucked a few men. Why virgin women were and are prized. For every guy she fucks after her first one (hence first true love) her ability to be in a stable ltr goes out the window and falls off a cliff.

[–]theUnBannableHulk2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]cluelessguitarist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its time to get a younger girl, preferably 8 years younger for the lost time, hopefully you are on your purpose and didnt become lazy on the LTR which is what usually happen, keep grinding man and move on, everything is going to turn out alright.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is she a live-in LTR? Does she have stuff at your place, or you at hers?

[–]Protocol_Apollo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What difference does it make?

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference is the amount of potential contact he will make with her.

If contact is likely, he should ignore her pleas and apologies and put her shit out like a stone-cold sociopath.

If contact is unlikely, he should simply block her, ignore her friends attempts at making contact, and begin his new life as if she were never there to begin with.

[–]recon_johnny2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pay attention, this is how trickle truth starts.

5am text? Kissed for 2 seconds? What's your gut say?

Exactly. Move on, your turn is over. As is hers with you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does your gf of 8 years go out and drink and attend parties in the first place? Either you fuck around or you try something meaningful (hopefully with the goal of having a family). If you are just together with her because its easy than this will teach you a lesson.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

gg noob

send her my way

[–]DTron23327 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Time to a “accidentally” stick your dick into another girl.

[–]0kool742 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like the way you think ya lil devil

[–]DTron23320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😸😈

[–]cglehosit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are experts at not telling you there’s a problem with the relationship, and then doing something like this ends up being the signal they wished you picked up on. You got to go with your gut. Either there’s a comfort problem or you’ve lost your turn.

AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE KIDS, it would be wise to demote her to plate until the issue is fixed.

[–]fatbloop2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what you have to do bro. We don't have to tell you. There was no need for this post. You know.

Block. Move on. Start lifting. Start gaming.

No need to get closure from her. No need to give her closure.

[–]binrobinro2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What she means is she kissed a guy when others could see her (this time), so she better tell you before everybody else does. That explains the 5AM call.

[–]RedSkeller2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I accidentally stuck my dick in the toaster because it said I was handsome

[–]According-Cod2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At a club? Why dide

[–]Nergaal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why did she tell you if she just accidentally kissed a dude. at 5 am. trickle truth alarm bells. guilt of having done something far more notable.

[–]boy_named_su2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're dating a bitch more than 3 years and she isn't begging you to get married, she's not in love with you

[–]MotiMorphosys2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

fascinating ... I do a lot of things by accident, but I can't say I've ever accidentally kissed a guy.

[–]mksu9116 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what you get for trying to turn a club hoe into a housewife

[–]VigilantSmartbomb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ghost her, or plate her , but you’re coming to us for an obvious answer sooooo probably ghost her for your own sake lol

Just do it — ehhhhh welll idk if she was really drunk and shit and it came from a hug like that I mean I could actually see it, but why is she hugging him like that allowing for it to happen? Why is she saying we accidentally kissed instead of he kissed me or I kissed him, it was mutual. This could be her trying to come clean on what she feels is a slightly grey area, except that puts you in the position of losing frame by trying to mate guard, or playing your hand and making her subjugated more, except imo you should be so open and honest with your actions that she should’ve known not to hug him like that, except your body language and actions don’t tell her that.

Ghosting her will

Also- the 5 am text doesn’t sit well. It’s that remorse text in the morning of oh shit my current life could be over let me see if I can pull it together easily af. Why not text you right when it happened? I mean if it was that big of a deal, why didn’t she leave the party? I mean so many lol, and it seems like she doesn’t respect you enough so why are you about to hold out for someone like that?

[–]hatefulreason1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there was i time when i thought about posting shit like this too, but then i stopped for a second and thought "what would i say to someone who posts this?" and "what would the old guys think about me?". that gave me the answer and i didn't need to post about it.

now you try it

[–]bestsparkyalive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry my brother. I’m not gonna offer any advice I just stopped in to say I hope you recover well and come out stronger over time. stuff like this kills .

[–]Greaterbird1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She probably also accidentally slipped, fell and landed on his dick.

Time to accidentally break up with her and find someone less accident-prone.

[–]Lostfate090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where there's blame theres a claim lol

[–]JustArtist81 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

AWALT

[–]catsdontsmile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Next up she'll trip over and over on his dick. What a clumsy girl.

[–]1rugged791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can always pull a Patrice.

Step 1: Buy a ticket to Brazil

Step 2: Fill your check bag full of dildos for all your female "friends"

Step 3: "Accidentally" spill your suitcase full of dildos and ticket to Brazil in front of your soon to be ex-LTR

[–]Musicgoon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, sounds like you ,"accidentally", lost your commitment to her.

Maybe your dick will accidentally fall into another girl's mouth.

Whoops..

[–]VisiblePlan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She really does think it's on accident. Her hamster forbids her from thinking otherwise.

[–]FimTown2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you in an LTR with a chick that goes to clubs?

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[–]PhaedrusHunt12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Life is fucking short. Sit with her, find out what's the real fucking issue, because it's what's she's not saying. If she tells you that's she's into this dude, off her and don't look back. But if you find out she only did it because an 8 year LTR feels like it's going nowhere, then you have some soul searching to do.

He should dump her either way.

[–]legitniga7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We got a blue pill in here, MODS!!

[–]indridcold912 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So he's pathetic for not marry some club-going ho that's kissing other dudes lol wow is this a woman commenting this or what.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t respond for a while, see what else she has to say

[–]alex_de_tampa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t have a scarcity mindset. Start looking for some new girls. Keep her in the rotation but exclusivity should be out the window. Leave her on read atleast a month .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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8 years you could have been plating

i'm sorry but i'm formally against the rule of having any sort of LTR with a female.

Abundance mentality is a fundamental philosophy of the Red Pill.

Having a LTR more than a week is already cutting it.

Don't be like this fucking guy, i'm sorry OP. You are not Red Pill. You need to change fast or this is going to break you down. And it could be extremely dangerous.

[–]abhi_071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How come someone kiss by accident?? She probably fucked him as well and now she's confessing that she kissed him by "accident". Like others have mentioned, I think its over.

[–]TexAs_sWag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unpopular Advice: Get more information. Respond with something unemotional like “?” to prompt her to say more. None of us know you or her or your relationship, so I’m not going to say with 99% certainty that she cheated on you... more like 98% certainty.

[–]MemphisBro1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

why are you guys acting like dicks to OP? some of yall seem like you have mental issues. Here’s the most likely scenario, dude leaned in to kiss her and she didn’t say no. Big red flag however other commenters saying she fucked the dude are a little dramatic. watch for other red flags, phone hiding, weird connections with other guys. leaver her if you see/hear anything else

[–]second-last-mohican15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, she's out drinking till 5am..

[–]Logical_Insurance4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

commenters saying she fucked the dude are a little dramatic.

Damn this thread really brought the cucks out of the woodwork. You let your girl roam around clubs until 5am and assume she's not fucking other dudes?

[–]MemphisBro-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this was clearly a 1 time event my girl doesn’t do this. I doubt Ops girlfriend does this regularly. I assume your gf is chained in your basement cuck

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Bp, imma cuck your entire family

[–]MemphisBro-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

because having paranoia and jealousy are so rp

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Paranoia and jealousy? Did we read the same story? If he were paranoid and jealous he wouldn't let her be out at the club in the first place.

It's not paranoia if she did something. Jealousy? You can be angry sans jealousy.

"Honey, this guy clearly offers something I don't. I'm happy you know what you want, and I'm releasing you to pursue it. It was nice to meet you."

[–]MemphisBro-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it’s paranoia and jealousy to assume they fucked. like I already said, the kiss is a red flag. I wouldn’t jump to throwing the whole girl away yet at this point though

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it’s paranoia and jealousy to assume they fucked.

It's wishful thinking to assume they didn't.

If it were really an "accident"--whatever that means-- and she knows it she wouldn't have said anything in the first place.

[–]iamcos-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm with you on that. If OP had a good 8 years then he should at least hear her out and make his decision from there.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

get cuked bp bro

[–]MemphisBro-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

see a counselor homie

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

drink some water buddy

[–]CarthaginianSalt-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahah ikr.

[–]hibloodstevia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She just took a dick. And it wasn't your turn.

[–]AuberyBitoni0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever you do, don't give her a second chance. Hard next.

[–]matejix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ghost her.

[–]sirdaaz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I heard “LTR” and not “wife and mother to my kids.” And I assume you’re not in your 60s.

So the question is, why are you in an LTR?

Don’t answer. What’s the conclusion? NEXT!!!

[–]Corvus_Uraneus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just a kiss huh? Riiight, prepare for some trickle truth.

[–]abomba240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know... But we're here for you man. Sorry to hear

[–]RupturedGlass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't accidentally kiss someone. This doesn't happen

[–]Taipoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yikes 8 years thrown away like that. Similar thing happened but only a year in and I dropped it immediately because once it sinks in nothings going to feel normal anymore with her

[–]macheagle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She’s only revealing a small teaser. I think you have a good idea what the full flick was probably like. Move on brother. Don’t look back. You literally just dodged the biggest bullet in your life. She may beg at your feet but do not waver. Move on.

[–]UnwoundCowboy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their are no "accidents"!! Cut your losses and move on!

[–]krimpenrik0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be thankful she showed her true colors.

[–]0kool740 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bollocks!!!!!! Straight up fucking bollocks! You don’t just “accidentally” kiss someone. Tha FUQ!

[–]brinkleybuzz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In your next conversation she'll tell you that she slipped and accidentally fell on this dude's erect penis.

Do you know anyone else at this party she went to? I'd get the facts from them. At best, you'll only get trickle truth from your girl.

[–]JoeAccidental0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She accidentally kissed his dick. It won't be the first time either. Don't put up with this disrespect, it'll only get worse. Hard NEXT.

[–]Wicked1Perceptions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stings a ton at first but see it for what it is, a done deal. Been there done that. It will never be the same, ever again. So put it in the rearview mirror dude.

[–]Huntbutt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

she cheated on you. break up

[–]eugenechien0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Find the truth and then hard next her, sorry dude

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She texted you at 5am to tell you that, I think that's all you need and then some to make a proper assesment of what really happened. Truth hurts, use it as fuel, make her regret it bro.

[–]JustArtist80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably riding the CC for a long time

[–]catsdontsmile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A girl I knew from highschool told her LTR she had kissed a dude when she had actually fucked him. She proceeded to marry his LTR and now they have a kid. I'm pretty sure he'll never know. Anyhow, you don't kiss someone by accident. You do get too drunk, and slide your tongue down his throat because you are drunk and horny, and then realize what you've done or at least realize people saw you so you have to do damage control.

And why the fuck was she shitfaced on her own at a club at 5 am if that was the case?

[–]Dimenzije900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Act like you dont care and start fucking other girls on the side. If you love the girl then leave. You will hurt but it will eventualyy go away.

[–]madfrombrad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is she still fucking you? Keep her

If not, slash her tires

[–]Sylvester_Sterone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t respond. Block and move on. She will chase looking for closure.

[–]Zero-Milk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

2 seconds

That sounds like downplaying

[–]tony88320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She told you because is hoping your beta will come out and and over react. This way the inevitable break up is your fault.

Say that does not work for me and you break it up for her behavior. This way you want her back . You take her back on your conditions. If she don’t good riddance .

[–]NeptunusVII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I suggest you accidentally break up with her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She fucked him in the toilets, for sure

[–]willieblackbean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do yall just wont stop trying to one up ur partners? Worst if all is y'all that condone this one upping advices. She kissed a guy and you flinched, you just dont have the right mentality.

[–]progresss2222120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]bustanutmeow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So what happened /u/throwawayredpill77 .

[–]ReaperX440 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I bet she accidentally landed on his dick somehow too. Bitch tripped and landed vagina first. Lol

[–]Lostfate090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

While she was falling her panties accidently got hooked on something and ripped off ...lol

[–]Russian_Bot_7370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your “LTR of 8 years” has a “BFF” that has “birth parties at a club”? What are you doing! You are the average of the 5 people you hang around most, and it sounds like your “LTR” hangs with whores!

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's not stupid, she's trying to see if you are. Stupid = useful.

[–]2000wfridge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you letting your ltr to to clubs? That comes first in the how to get cucked 101 manual

[–]L2diy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m gonna give different advice than top comments since our sub has been invaded. Ghost and next man. 8 years is a long commitment but you still have plenty of time from here. If she wants to come around she’ll give you tricep truth at best and beg at worst. It’s not worth it. Lift; game; and meditate man

[–]TacticalPolonium0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what to do lad

[–]FeniZio940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She’s a slut... always been, break up with her

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who's up at 5am and not having sex. She cheated bro. Wear a wire if you confront her though because she may try to fuck your life depending on how deeply embedded you are to eachother financially/living wise. Make sure she canr claim any kind of alimony, common law, or anything else that can harm you. Infact I'd probably speak to a lawyer. 8 years is better than 20 years and 3 kids. Count your blessings, smv max and improve frame so this doesnt happen again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, not a big deal.

I’ll accidentally kiss a cute broad any day of the week, regardless of much I love my SO. Couldn’t judge personally.

You do you brotha

[–]DontNeedMuchMoney0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's trickle truth?

[–]DontNeedMuchMoney0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kissed? 5am? Bullshit, She Definitely done more. I would:

1)Say "That's not what I heard" and see what she says, Regardless of her answer I would- 2)End it emotionally but not tell her - Always wanted to try some weird sex shit? Try to set that shit up if she says no and that it's disgusting then who cares? Your emotionally finished with her 3)Try to regain what you lost - Money/gifts ect 4)Fuck her friends

Tdlr : Run this relationship into the ground and enjoy doing it

Am I a monster? I would be if an LTR done this to me after 8 years.

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[–]el_Technico9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is some blue pill shit advice right here.

[–]throwawayok2727284927 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Talking won’t save it at this point. It’s likely more happened than just the kiss. Shit doesn’t just happen like this, it’s a conscious decision to put your lips on someone else’s.

It’s not about jealousy, control, insecurity, validation etc...

Somewhere OP messed up and is looking for help on where, which is why he posted in askTRP.

If your girl truly loved you and wanted you would she be in the club late at night? Or would she rather be with you at home?

[–]6AeyBee92 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

also, not letting her get easily away with it.

[–]nomadSuperStar-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The road to redemption for your girl should be defined by you!

[–]noserotoninforu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No contact.

[–]neveragoodtime0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

“I hope he treats you well, goodbye” No contact and extricate your lives.

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the most savage and best response.

[–]PiperBigBell0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

While I agree that she is no longer LTR material, I believe the more cold and pragmatic move would be a hard demotion. Get her to serve you, and buy you things relentlessly until she has nothing left. Make her sacrifice all of her time and energy worshipping the ground you walk on until your ego is fully satisfied.

Whatever she put into making your mission in life happen, make her do 50x more. Take her soul. And maybe then, just maybe can she be redeemed. Endless money. Endless errands. Endless cooking. Endless resources. Put a dollar and time amount to your pain. Make the exchange make sense to your ego.

All that emotional investment over 8 years, you gotta suck it dry for everything it's worth. Cash out on her emotional bank account. My time isn't free. Yours isn't either.

[–]arcanepolar-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

this is petty af. only someone with a really low ego needs this. just move on dude.

[–]PiperBigBell1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is it low ego to demamd sacrifice and investment before you let someone back in. A person wanting to change isn't enough. They need to show it. And one of the best ways to do that is sacrifice and service. They need to show their loyalty somehow.

[–]arcanepolar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

of course it’s good demand sacrifice. but only while they are worth the investment. this relationship is already over. doing this on a zombie relationship is just sad and would only serve a low ego. you’ve already been cucked. move on

[–]thrwy75479-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LTR of 8 years was attending her bff's birthday party at a club.

Spring is almost here. Hopefully, you drank to new beginnings.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would go nc till she begs and realizes what shes done. Then do what you think needs to be done

[–]noturtypicalbuddy-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We don't know who she is to tell him to leave her immediately. We need to know the full story first and then we need to know about her. So you can't come immediately and advise him to break up. And btw, you can fix it by staying with her, and if you did, go and fuck other girls and let her know how many fucks you give about her cheating, Zero.

[–]FlowFreal-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously end it, don’t even give her the closure. It’ll suck for a while, but you’ll come out a way better man at the end.

[–]drsherbert-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ima reiterate what was already said. Say less than her and let her trickle the truth out slowly. Pay very close attention to her body language. Start seeing other women. Keep fucking her till while your looking for a rebound to soothe the pain of the breakup. Understand, you might never get closure or the answers you’re looking for. You better be hitting the gym and improving your life lil homie.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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