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Summary: We do not have to sit here and have a debate with Blue Pill people about whether we're right or not. Theories about what women are attracted to in men are falsifiable. All we have to do is look at real women's fantasies, and what the men look like in those fantasies.

If the Red Pill is right, then we would expect fictional men in women's romantic fantasies to look like the alpha males we claim women are attracted to.

If the Blue Pill is right, we would expect those fictional men to look like the nice, inoffensive, neutered Redditer who gets so angry at us for saying such mean things about women.

Guess who the heroes in romance novels all look like?


If someone told you that men aren't attracted to blowjobs, what would you tell them?

Maybe you'd tell them that they're crazy, or that they're stupid. But how would you prove men actually do like blowjobs? They could just sit there insisting it's not true. "My friends say they don't like it! They think it's gross!" They could develop a whole ideology around how offensive it was to ever say that a man would like something so disgusting.

But you can, in fact, prove them wrong. Why? Because basically every single porno ever has a blowjob in it. If men didn't like blowjobs, that wouldn't be the subject matter of so much porn.

That brings us to women, and what they want. It's not some mystery. It's not even hidden very hard. If you want to know what women really want, you don't have to trust this subreddit. You don't have to trust anyone. All you have to do is go look at what women buy, in the form of best-selling romance novels.

Every romance novel is essentially a woman's fantasy about what kind of man she wants to fall in love with. You can find every single type of man you could imagine somewhere in some romance novel. Alphas, betas, chubby blue pill neckbeards, whoever. Someone has written it.

But what actually sells? Let's look at a few of the best sellers, because they are all variations on the same theme.

Pride and Prejudice - Women love this one. It's about a rich guy named Mr. Darcy who starts out acting like a total asshole. He tells the heroine she is unattractive and refuses to dance with her at a ball. He acts like he's above everyone in her town. He convinces his friend to dump her sister because he thinks they have a terrible family. He's rich and lives in a giant mansion. His enemies are telling the heroine what an asshole he is all the time.

Mr. Darcy is a "reformed rake," a common trope in romance novels. He starts out being an asshole, but he gradually learns to be nice to the heroine, goes out of his way to make up for his douchebag behavior, and they live happily ever after in his giant mansion.

The Flame and the Flower - This was the first big modern romance novel. It sold millions of copies. It was written by a women, and women are the ones who bought it. What's the plot?

A cinderalla-type innocent woman is treated badly by her family and ends up on the street. An alpha male sea captain sends out some of his deckhands to find him a hooker. They find her wandering the streets, think she's a whore, and bring her to his ship.

Then he rapes her. Then he rapes her again. And again. And he laughs about it.

She gets pregnant, and they have a shotgun wedding. So he rapes her some more, and treats her like total shit because she ruined his wedding plans with another woman. But every time she submits to him and does what he says, he stops raping her for a few minutes and does something nice for her (like not raping her anymore that night). Even though he likes raping her, he's very protective of her, and very jealous of other men.

Again, this was written by a woman, and sold millions and millions of copies to other women. Please note that many women understandably didn't like the book, for obvious reasons, and that you shouldn't try to emulate this guy. But also please note that you can be this big of a dick, and millions of women will still find it sexually attractive.

Twilight - A girl and an alpha male vampire fall in love. He is insanely protective of her to the point of being a stalker. He sneaks into her bedroom to watch her sleep. He struggles to control himself, and it is constantly emphasized that at any moment he could snap and violently murder her. When they have sex, she is left with bruises all over her because he is so strong that he has to struggle not to kill her when he even touches her. He is tall, handsome, and has billions of dollars. He buys the heroine really expensive cars, because he's concerned about her safety and wants to protect her.

Then he leaves for awhile, and she starts hanging out with a werewolf. He is insanely protective of her. Werewolves cannot control their rage, and it is constantly emphasized that at any moment he might snap, lose control, and kill her. There are repeated scenes with a girlfriend of another werewolf whose face has been mauled by her boyfriend, emphasizing the danger. He is extremely tall, muscular, and is the rightful alpha male of his werewolf pack. He is jealous of the vampire, and they fight, but eventually she picks the vampire, and the werewolf hangs around and decides to be insanely protective of her daughter instead.

A beta male named Mike Newton falls in love with her. He has no negative qualities other than that he is an average looking guy who fell in love with an average looking girl. The beta male is constantly put down by the werewolf and the vampire. The heroine tricks the beta male into a double date with the werewolf, where he vomits at a horror movie because he is sick. The werewolf makes fun of him for being afraid of the movie, and then makes out with the heroine in the car right next to the beta male. Twilight fans really seem to hate this guy, for no real reason other than that he is a beta male. The author also seemed to really, really love having her characters treat him like crap.

Fifty Shades of Grey - A tall alpha male billionaire can play the piano like an expert, runs his own company in his mid-twenties, and flies helicopters everywhere. He likes to tie women up and order them around, making them his submissives. He meets the heroine, then starts sending her gifts and randomly bumping into her. He buys the heroine cars because he's concerned about her safety and wants to protect her. He is emotionally damaged, unavailable, and only able to have sex, not commitment. He constantly orders the heroine around, and wants to control exactly what she eats and what she does basically the time. He is incredibly jealous and lashes out at other men who try to date the heroine. But underneath he has a heart of gold and learns to be nice, warm, and caring.

Lessons Learned:

(1) Women love alpha males. They also love heroes who start out as complete assholes, and end up showing a caring, protective side.

(2) Women want it all. They want alpha fucks and beta bucks in one man. They want to tame the alpha, and make him still an alpha to everyone else, but a caring, protective beta for her.

(3) Women love dangerous men.

(4) Women love tall, rich men.

(5) Blue Pillers are misogynists who hate women and their sexual fantasies. Hi guys, I know you're reading. I know you don't like it. But it's true. The reason you hate the Red Pill so much is because you hate women. You can't stand that they are what they are, and you can't accept it. You have bigotry in your heart towards certain women's sexual preferences (women who like alpha males as described in their own romance novels). And you can't stand us for telling the truth about what most women want. Blue pillers are bigots, just as much as any angry guy who's just joined this sub and starts ranting about how evil women are. That's why Blue pillers project so much. They call us misogynists because that's what they themselves are, and they can't accept it.

After all, what would you call someone who hated homosexuality so much they denied it even existed? And yet you hate the idea of women loving alpha males so much that you spend all your time attacking the sexual preference of the vast majority of women.

(6) You should read a few romance novels, especially if you still have any doubts. You will see exactly what women want, from the mouths of women. You don't have to trust me, and you don't have to trust anyone else on here. The truth is right in front of you, you've just never bothered to look at it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev185 points186 points  (16 children) | Copy

No romance novel begins with: "I say 'NO!' and he stopped."

[–]thejesusfish188 points189 points  (8 children) | Copy

I trembled with anticipation. "No," I said, hoping to delay his inevitable entry. "Please, I can't."

"Of course," Blue murmured softly. "Your boundaries are your sanctuary. We shall wait until you are ready."

Despite my immutable ironclad womanly will, I came. His respect for me was simply too much to overcome.


[–]JourneymanTRP13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

My ex told me the story where back when she was a virgin (think 15) she asked a guy not to put it inside her and she was so impressed with his kindness and respect for her boundaries that she 'let him' go out with her one more time, before realizing it wasn't a good fit.

[–]eddiae6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

she graced him with her presence, what is he a fucking dog? lmaooo

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

OTOH, about 40% of acquaintance rape "victims" go on to have a relationship with their "rapist."

[–]TRPApprentice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Apparently women need to be taught not to want to be raped

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What is this?

[–]EdwardTivrusky4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It reminded me of a quote from The Catcher in the Rye.

"The thing is, most of the time when you're coming pretty close to doing it with a girl – a girl that isn't a prostitute or anything, I mean – she keeps telling you to stop. The trouble with me is, I stop. Most guys don't."

Bear in mind that authors speak their mind through the mouths of their characters. Protagonist in this book is portrayed as a typical beta that hates everything and everyone. Make no mistake betas do see all these contradictions in a same way that fat chicks see that they're fat. They just choose to ignore the problem with sweet lies on top because it's easier.

[–]DforDeadpool4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also no romance novel starts with "Can I kiss/touch you?". Referring to "consent for bros" bullcrap.

[–]Mik3ze13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

There is a difference between fantasy and reality. In the real world if a woman if firmly saying "NO!" then you should stop.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tip of the fedora to you, son. Are you worried about someone researching your post history or something?

There is a difference between fantasy and reality.

Yes, quite correct, however, the current "Accepted Narrative" about sexual politics is fantasy as well. Thus, while Ezra Klein1 wants you to feel a "spike of fear" when you're undressing a girl, the greater reality is that a lot of LMR is just for show - under a strict definition it's all for show, but one imagines a situation where a man might take genuine resistance for LMR.

Politically Incorrect Statement of the Day: "No" very often means "keep going", and, at the moment where she is letting you remove her panties, it means "Don't give up now!"

While the "Accepted Narrative" demands that a man summon at Uber for the woman at the very first moment he senses a "psychic vibration" of a "no" or even a hint of reluctance, that's not how men and women relate on a sexual level. It will leave a lot of guys with blue balls and a lot of women wondering why they didn't get fucked, especially after they let a guy buy them drinks and the take her back to his room for the express purpose of...getting fucked.

Guys who understand the difference between "no means no" and LMR are going to be much happier, and have much happier - and well-fucked - girlfriends/plates/LTRS.


1 Klein is to sex as Tim Wise is to race: a horrific fraud. Even the Atlantic described Klein's views, which are deeply, deeply blue bluepill and anti-male, as "Appalling".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women get aroused and orgasm from telling you no and you pressing right ahead and taking what you want from them anyway. Plus it gives them the plausible deniability they desire in case a beta finds out about the sex. She can tell him that she said no so everything is really that bad man's fault.

Two years ago had this great plate who had a fiance. (They were saving sex for marriage). She gave him a drunken blowjob once though, lol. Anyway to him I was his fiances good friend who stayed up all night drinking brandy and watching Netflix with her in my room. When he found out I was fucking her one day she told him that she said no but I didn't listen. Rape! So of course he forgave her and the fat short engineering student left me a threat on Facebook.

His fiance kept coming over to get drunk and tied up and fucked like the slut she was though. She just hid it better. And she loved to struggle. They got married last year. I wonder if that guy will ever know what boundless rape fantasies that raging slut he married really has? Or why she doesn't like to have sex with him?

Oh well they can get divorced in five or ten years.

[–]Mik3ze3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with everything you say I just know that a lot of young guys read this subreddit who don't have the experience to differentiate between a real "no" and an lmr "no" so I don't want them to get the wrong impression.

[–]JourneymanTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It would be that way in books too if it's a legal book.

[–]getbackdownhere69 points70 points  (3 children) | Copy

You skipped the time period of romance novels before twilight came out, but I'll summarize it here:

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, cause dey rapin everybody round here.

Basically, right up until the 90's, when PCness was beginning to take over, romance novels were basically just literary rape porn.

Google "bodice ripper" and you'll see what I mean.

Honestly I think 50 Shades was so popular because it was the first good-n-rapey book to come out in 20 years.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

"He pinned me down and ravished me with his strong muscular arms...he couldn't hold his desire back"

Shit like that. Women are turned on by big powerful alpha men who can't help themselves from fucking them.

[–]JihadDerp23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are aroused by these things, in this order: status, strength, being desired. Strength and status are almost interchangeable, but really should go together. Basically, if you're physically strong and socially strong, she wants you to let go of all inhibitions and fuck her stoopid.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood222 points223 points  (50 children) | Copy

I'll just throw this one in.


Khal Drogo - Game of thrones

That dudes career was made of speaking a language no one knows and being dominant as fuck. His entire act was body language. His entire screen time was a total of like 30 minutes. And every chick falls in love with him and he's now landed a main DC movie staring as fucking Aquaman.

What did he do? Rape her, make her his property, abuse her, but then he turned protective and loving of her. Made her his world. He was a King of a 100,000 men army that gave no fucks and could have any chick but he chose her.

Essentially a love story staring Genghis Khan.


This shit really isn't rocket science.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wasn't there a huge puke party on the internet about Sansa's wedding night to Ramsey Bolton and Ramsay proceeds to roughly consummate their marriage. Everyone was screaming that she was raped and some suggested boycotts of the show for misogyny?

Some commenters pointed out that good ole Khal did the exact same thing. The answers were some of the finest hamstring I have ever read. That poor hamster died from exhaustion. Basically, if it's a hulking hawt barbarian, it's being ravished. If it's a twisted weirdo, it's rape.

The actor even posted a pic of him and Sansa smiling and being silly on twitter to ward off the crazies.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wasn't there a huge puke party on the internet about Sansa's wedding night to Ramsey Bolton and Ramsay proceeds to roughly consummate their marriage. Everyone was screaming that she was raped and some suggested boycotts of the show for misogyny?

The thing is, by the standards of that world, and the real-world time period that it roughly coincides with, What Ramsay did wasn't rape. He did what was considered his right as a husband.

[–]CQC34 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Pretty much. Absolutely historically congruous.

The problem with the state of criticism in the past few decades is that we've had a poor tendency to apply modern critical lenses (postcolonial, marxist (this is of course a bit older), feminist (this is the worst for reasons besides TRP), etc).

Academia is an interesting place, but when you have kids writing theses on feminist or gender/queer readings of X novel written in 1850 or some shit, gtfo of here you dumb fucks. No shit women are treated differently in those novels.

Super interesting stuff though. Basically our postmodern world has weakened our sense of history in a lot of ways so people just one way or another have a shit propensity to understand that not only were things different hundreds of years ago, but surprise surprise, nobody gave a fuck about it or thought about it in the manner that you do right now. In fact, the modern mindset would have been heinously impractical.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. I might not necessarily agree with how things were back in the day, but they were what they were. In regards to how women are treated in Game of Thrones, someone once tried to say that Cersei was treated unfairly. Within the context of the book, though, she has an easy life. Hell, she has an easy life compared to many people in 21st Century earth, and she essentially lives in medieval Europe. She's never done a day's work, or presumably, had to cook a meal for herself. So she was forced into an arranged marriage. So are plenty of people today.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Back when that happened a bunch of girls I knew actually started finding the actor attractive and looking at pictures of him and shit.

[–]GiantBonobo36 points37 points  (3 children) | Copy

"That dude" didn't just have 30 minutes in Game of Thrones, he also played one of Stargate Atlantis' central characters and is overall a pretty good actor. GoT is just the series that put him back on track.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jason Momoa? He was also in Baywatch, amusingly. He was a little less swole then.

[–]PEALYO 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

To be honest the best role I've seen Jason Momoa in is actually an independent tv series he did called "Red Road." A lot more real and nuanced acting than either Stargate or GoT.

[–]night-addict23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

That show made Jason Momoa a fucking sex symbol. Jason Momoa. Dude looks like a Neanderthal! But women fall head over heels for him now, and rightfully so, because as Khal Drogo he was what women desperately wanted.

[–]Donuteater7804 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

So that's why people like Roman Reigns!

[–]bluedrygrass10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude looks like a Neanderthal!

Yes, and that's a plus in spite of what some of them may say

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy

Also note how she friendzones Ser Jorah Mormont - a true White Knight lolz And not to mention her love for badboy Daario Naharis

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

Jorah Mormont was a fool. He was in love with a woman young enough to be his daughter who wasn't interested in him, and in the first place, he got into trouble breaking the law because he couldn't control his wife's spending habits. He's a badass fighter, I won't take that from him, but he's a pussy where women are concerned.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Forget controlling his wife's spending habits, what really did him in was ONEitis. He was so smitten by his wife's beauty that she became his aim in life.

In the books, he actually clumsily forces himself on Dany. Only kissing, nothing more. That leaves a bitter taste in her mouth (pun unintended)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I appreciate a beautiful woman as much as the next straight guy, but that's just silly.

Come to think of it, how many other guys ruined their own lives or did stupid things because they were obsessed with a woman in this series? Rhaegar was so obsessed with Lyanna that he caused a war, and paid for it with his life, not to mention those of his wife and child(ren). If Robb Stark hadn't fallen in love with Jeyne and married her, he and his mother would probably still be alive, as would most of his guys, and his uncle wouldn't be a prisoner. Even Stannis Baratheon, one of my favourite characters, was prepared to kill his own nephew on the Red Bitch's sayso. Granted, Stannis didn't love her, but he was still prepared to sacrifice a boy who is the closest thing to a son he has, just because of a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

As Nietzsche said, raise men better or something to that effect.

Glad to see someone else who is also a fan of Stannis. I disagree about your assertion regarding him though. He was prepared to take such extreme measures because he is a wronged man. He had seen his parents drown right in front of him at a very young age. During the rebellion, he chose his brother over his rightful King, as he himself laments in the books, held Storm's End even when his men and he were down to eating rats. And what was the reward he got for doing so? He was given Dragonstone while Storm's End, which should have been his by rights, was given to his younger brother. As a result, he was a very just but bitter man who saw the world as having wronged him and for that he was prepared to do anything.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, he had it tough. I believe he has a genuine gripe regarding Storm's End. I even think it's admirable that he sought to be king to avenge the brother who treated him badly. Killing a kid, though? That's when it starts to get a bit iffy for me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks to good ol' Davos, Edric's blood isn't on Stannis' hands. I doubt the post-Blackwater Bay Stannis would do such a thing now. D&D have completely perverted his character on the show sadly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think the actor wanted out, personally.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What's done is done. Hopefully, GRRM won't kick the bucket until he finishes the series.

[–]datAlpha24 points25 points  (19 children) | Copy

YES! Never could put into words why this shit with Khal Drogo bothered me so much. I think it's also the go-to halloween costume for the silent boring jacked dude at the party. They still clean up even without saying anything. Beauty and the Beast, a fucking DISNEY movie based on this premise (watered down a bit of course) and it's hailed as a "tail as old as time". In this film however there is also an interesting counterpoint in Gaston, the sort of "fake Alpha" (?). Why does she NOT go for him?

[–]ApronString27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gaston had those village slatterns drooling and panting over him, and instead of enjoying the abundance around him, he got a world class case of oneitis for the only girl in the whole village who was not interested. He was so desperate to wife her that he lost any semblance of credibility with her.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's because Gaston can't read, and Belle won't date down.

Belle falls for the Beast when he shows her that he's not just a hairy monster that could eat her alive, he also has a huge library.

[–]19963912 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yup. Sorry to break it to you lads, but no matter how strong and popular and handsome you may be, most women won't consider you suitable unless you're also at least as educated as they are.

[–]GiantBonobo29 points30 points  (7 children) | Copy

Because Gaston went full retard. You never go full retard.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

No one full retards like Gaston!

[–]Algernoq9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

No one lifts like Gaston, no one's hard like Gaston... Nobody goes full retard like Gaston!

[–]probpoopin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What about Hodor? He's pretty big, definitely went full retard better and harder.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]LyricBaritone5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

My what a tard, that Gaston!

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Because Beauty and the Beast isn't about women's romance, it's a kids movie in which the writers are attempting to instill what they deem to be "positive values" onto the audience. Game of Thrones is a pretty raw series that is definitely catering to adults.

[–]JihadDerp22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

Are you kidding? It's about a beast who turns into a prince. There is no more perfect parallel.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, the Disney version is, well, Disney-fied. The 'original' story dates back over 4,000 years, and it's a tale about social class, family, etc etc.

[–]wiseprogressivethink0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you ever want to read a short story with some real Red Pill truth to it, check out "The Entertainment of Genghis Khan" in the anthology "50 Great Tales of Terror" by John Canning.

[–]joseph_fuzzco_Jr76 points77 points  (4 children) | Copy

I used to wonder why the men who women always fantasize about were never the same men who they claimed to like. Now I don't.

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[–]PD132[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay. And is there a man out there who doesn't want the woman he's actually dating to do the same thing the porn stars do in the bedroom?

You just don't want to date a woman who's addicted to coke and sleeps with lots of other men. It doesn't mean you aren't turned on by the things you watch in a porn video.

[–]Calamash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This thread summed up pretty much.

[–]NuclearTruthBomb80 points81 points  (20 children) | Copy

I wish I could upvote this more. Seeing what women read, not what they say, is what ultimately made me realize the pill is NOT misogynistic bullshit. If you're still on the fence, you really need to go to the Erotica or Erotic Romance section of Goodreads or Amazon and read the descriptions.

There is only one type of man in all of these hundreds of stories. He's arrogant, jacked, knows what he wants and takes it for himself. If he's not a bad boy biker, he's a high-status billionaire. Even romance readerss describe these characters as Alphas (seriously!). The female character is completely average, and frequently has an orbiter or two pinning for her companionship. But the self-described asshole sweeps her off her feet and gives her the hardest fucking of her life.

Notice anything absent? Betas. Not even masculine, but effective and kind-hearted men. Just full-blown, testosterone-pumping Alphas. If he doesn't have the social status of a celebrity, then he's aggressive enough to take down an entire gang or Comic Con meeting.

Men are actually the real romantic sex. I have yet to see a female written romance story that isn't about pinning for a Norse-like protector or a meal ticket for a perfect life. There is no such thing as "type" for women, only men with power and resources. She doesn't love you - AWALT. Either go your own way or become the most stereotypically masculine, successful man as possible.

[–]Turkerthelurker15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

The OC:

  • Alpha bad boy moves into town. Girl with douchebag boyfriend falls in love with new bad boy.

  • The main beta: in love with a chick. Completely ignored and made fun of, until he dates a few other girls. Finally gets chick he likes, she's obsessed with him afterwards. He dates a few more girls, they get back together in the end. (Aw, she learned to like him after a lot of other girls showed interest!)

I was going to write more examples, but I think this thought expirement is better: Try to think of a show/movie/novel, targeted at women, where the beta wins the woman (without her falling for/obsessing over/fucking an alpha first). I can think of plenty targeted towards men, but try to name one aimed at women. Betcha can't.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (12 children) | Copy

Women aren't capable of love. She doesn't love you. Be the alpha that fucks her, plates her, or discards her afterwards. Shell hate that she loves it.

[–]Egoful17 points18 points  (10 children) | Copy

Women do love. But like Rollo says, it's opportunistic love.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

I disagree. TRP says women love conditionally, I push it even further and say they can't truly love besides their offspring.

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[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

What a fucking age were heading into. Where women don't love their children, and abortion is universal. While there are exceptions, most American women are not fit to be mothers. The west is fucked.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

US alone has seen around 60 million abortions in the last four decades. Yeah, the West's fucked

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How long you think until The US collapses?

I give it a good 40-50 years. I really dont see any fixing it currently. Maybe we could rebuild after the country crumbles, but by then we'll either be wartorn or invaded by islam. Enjoy the decline, fellas.

[–]bluedrygrass-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy

they can't truly love besides their offspring.

That's opportunistic too. And not in the "they're my children" sense, but really in the "they are my retirement plan and my emotional tampons" sense

[–]BigDongofDoom6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don't have children do you?

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am a male. I am able to give unconditional love.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. They're completely selfish. I don't know why we'd expect anything more from the inferior rreproductive gender though. I know my mother cares for me, I'm just not sure if its cause I'm her son or because I'm her only chance at carrying her genes on to the next generation. Or cause I'm her retirement plan, etc.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Notice anything absent? Betas.

Just look at the cover photos on all these romance novels.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If he's not a bad boy biker, he's a high-status billionaire.

It has nothing to do with who you are. Some girls like bikers, some like guys with tats, artsy types, intellectuals, businessmen, military guys, juiced up bros, etc... That's just preference. It's just whatever type of guy her social circle regards as alpha. At the end of the day she's looking for certain types of traits in a guy who fits her preference, but while the preference changes from girl to girl, those traits don't. That's why you can be your own brand of alpha.

I know cute nerdy girls at med school who would run the other way if a tatted up guy on gear came up to them, even if he cleans up with typical sluts. Yeah that does not mean they prefer betas. It just means that guy doesn't look like the stereotypical dream guy in her social circle, so he seems more threatening than attractive. She wants a guy with the same traits but in a package that fits her world's view of alpha. It's why I do so well with the nerdy girls. The average IQ of girls I've fucked is probably in the 95th percentile, because that's just where I do best. That's my brand of alpha, but make no mistake, I'm an attractive guy who lifts and tracks his macros to a T. I'm socially dominant and quick to discard any girl I'm with if something better comes along (and not just hotter women, my friends and career are prioritized over women as well). I'm not the tatted up roid guy, but I've got plenty of friends like him.

Too many bluepill guys see "nice" girls going for a guy like me and think betas don't finish last. They just never understood that the difference between "alpha" and "beta" has nothing to do with your "type" and everything to do with what you objectively have (status, looks, money) and more importantly, how you carry yourself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

After reading this I thought to myself "Fuck it, I'm going my own way"

[–]TheDonald2k1651 points52 points  (16 children) | Copy

Not just romance novels, but television shows made for women as well.

Gilmore Girls is a great example.

Both main characters pick alphas over betas.

Lorelai is a post wall single mother who has men fighting over her(of course). Toward the end of the series, you have her ex-boyfriend Christopher(Rory's father) who is your typical "I am there for you" caring beta, and Luke, the "I give zero fucks about everything" blue collar alpha. Lorelai picks Luke, even though Christopher proposes to her and Lorelai's answer is "I want to love you, you are the one I want to choose, but I can't", translation = You don't give me tingles even though you are a nice guy who would be a great provider.

Rory has a friend that is orbiting her named Marty, your typical weak beta. They are watching a movie in her dorm when alpha Logan shows up and invites them out to a bar. They go to the bar where Logan exerts his alpha dominance over Marty. They get back to Rory's dorm and Marty asks out Rory. Rory says "I don't like you, I like Logan, but I want to be friends!" despite Marty being the caring, nice, sweet beta and Logan being your stereotypical douche bag frat boy alpha type. Rory ends up dating Logan for the rest of the series. Earlier in the series, Rory cheated on Dean, an alpha who ended up turning beta because of his oneitis, for Jess, a total give-no-fucks alpha who was a criminal.

You want to learn Red Pill Truths, watch Gilmore Girls.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev62 points63 points  (2 children) | Copy

You want to learn Red Pill Truths, watch Gilmore Girls.

I would hope that there would be another way. /grin

[–]Horus_Krishna_228 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy

glad this guy did the research for us.

[–]VictoriaLovesGlitter 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

Luke pined after Lorelei for years. He was practically Rory's father when she was growing up. He was always in love with Lorelei and she was constantly leaning on him emotionally while sleeping with other men. He gave her at least one substantial loan. If anything ever broke in Lorelei's house he was over ASAP fixing it for nothing. How exactly does that make him an alpha? The whole town pitied him. I thought being an alpha was about being able to take what you want when you want it from a woman. It took Luke over 15 years to even get a kiss. Luke is the nice guy who proved to her over almost two decades he'd be a nice provider.

Edit: Chris on the other hand sporadically came back into Lorelei's life, and more often than not was able to get some tail, NSA.

[–]TheDonald2k160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think both Chris and Luke were betas, but Luke was more alpha compared to Chris. Luke had a "I don't give a fuck" attitude, while Chris was a lot more soft.

Even though Luke pinned after Lorelai the whole series, he wasn't afraid to speak his mind around her. Many times he was a dick to Lorelai because he didn't want to put up with her shit. Chris never did that.

In terms of the men Lorelai dated, Max was a beta, Digger was an alpha, Luke and Chris were betas.

[–]graffix135 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dawson's Creek is another example.

Dawson, the poster boy blue piller, finally expresses his love for Joey (Katie Holmes) only to have her hook up with Dawson's Alpha friend Pacey.

(Although calling Pacey Alpha is kind of a stretch as he was a pussy too)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude banged his teacher. Alpha as fuck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pacey was a confident, sarcastic dude in the first few seasons. Funny, emotionally unattached. My favorite scene was when he took his girlfriend's mom (who was dementia) to the store. When she started having an episode and drawing people's attention, Pacey intentionally started acting crazy to take the heat off her.

I don't think you'd find that sort of altruism with a beta like Dawson. He's too preoccupied with his image to take control of a situation and protect another person. It's always mopey bullshit with him.

[–]carrotplanter3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

My question is how you all know all this damn

[–]TheDonald2k163 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am a professional TV critic, I had to watch all 7 Gilmore Girls seasons ahead of the Gilmore Girls Netflix reboot.

[–]LyricBaritone0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

clearly because they watched the show. I don't watch it myself but there's no need to be a dick about it.

[–]carrotplanter3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

But I'm not? I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking it, and I didn't mean it in a demeaning way

[–]LyricBaritone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well then at best, you're asking an extremely stupid, obvious question. Of course they know those things because they've watched the show.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You want to learn Red Pill Truths, watch Gilmore Girls.

Or don't. Unless you want a headache by extreme logorroicness and trivial discussions.

But anyway, that example is particularly poignant because the girl looks like the stereotypical blue imaginary angel: delicate, feminine, petite, shy, extremely intelligent and educated.

And yet, she acts like she acts.

[–]TheDonald2k160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rory presents herself as the good sweet innocent girl the whole series but turns into a whore after her freshman year of college, fucking a married man, fucking Logan in her grandparent's pool house, getting arrested for stealing a boat.

[–]sir_Preacher22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

And most of the authors of these romance novels are women...

go figure...

[–]Tman569126 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a few guys who self-publish the stuff. I recall one male author saying he thought his novels were complete trash, but his wife loved them, they were easy to write and he was making bank. His other comment was that he would never publish under his actual name in case he ever wanted to write a serious novel.

[–]kazaul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The issue is they're too easy to write. All I have to do is bang out a billion and one versions of the same 6-7 most perverted fantasies I can think of. Could have two done a month if I wanted to.

But that's not what I want to invest my time or effort in. It doesn't further my interests in any way.

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When I was in high school I used to stay at my Grandma's house after school until my mom got off work to pick me up since there was no bus routes to my home (before I turned 16 and could drive myself).

Sometimes she wouldn't be there and there would be these old ass fantasy romance novels from the late 80's and 90's on an old dusty bookshelf. One time I was hella bored and picked one up and flipped to somewhere in the middle and read the first paragraph of a random page. Holy shit was it graphic. I had been watching porn and beating my 15 year old dick for a little bit by this point, but that shit was a whole new level. Basically every "love" scene in the book was her getting her pussy stretched out by some evil rough man who didn't;t give a fuck. There was at least two rape scenes I found in the 10-15 mins I flipped through it.

[–]BlackJ116 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

You will find RP in almost any top selling book that women buy. It's not recent, it's been around forever and some authors are catching on and taking advantage.

Just look at The Glass Menagerie. Published back in 1945:

  1. Woman is crippled and boring with zero personality.
  2. High value man from her HS comes over for dinner.
  3. Woman is shy and strives away from the group.
  4. Man randomly decides to come and talk with the woman.
  5. typical romantic actions

It's boring low SMV woman somehow grabs the attention of a high SMV man by doing nothing. Like it's the same script over and over again.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

1.4 billion dollar industry

You can even see the confirmation in the comments. Big Leroy knows.

[–]JihadDerp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This needs to be shot to the top.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Romance novels are reflective of what really want but fail to admit they want it and act like they really will love the beta instead of the alpha. These romance novels OP talked about show that women want the alpha and deep down they hate the betas.

[–]ddiogenesofsinope11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

Pride and Prejudice is the biggest fuckery for me.

I actually love the 2005 adaptation. It's great. igaf. Fuck you cunt.

I do give Elizabeth ratings as she's is the only one to see through Darcys bullshit, call him out and see that he's a man with a lot of love but is an asshole out of fear (sound familiar).

But part of Elizabeth's infatuation with him comes with his immense wealth and this isn't really hinted at in the story. He's essentially a contemporary billionaire.

Sure love conquers all in a society obsessed with wealth and all that jazz, but when she goes to his house when she thinks he's away and literally falls in love with a statue of him in his elaborate collection, money obviously does play some sort of role in that.

She is in awe at the power of a great man. And maybe just maybe, she likes the idea of having all that to herself.

[–]arealbigboss5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Pride and Prejudice is all about why people hook up. The writer, Jane Austen, never got married and she knew how shit really worked. Elizabeth pretty much sought out the best qualities in Darcy and saw only those in order to marry a rich man. She did it because she deep down wanted his wealth more than anything. Those Victorian bitches knew what was up.

[–]ddiogenesofsinope4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

They really did.

I feel people were way more honest about human nature back then

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

On the other hand, they were way too concerned about a person's "breeding". It's been years since I picked up that book, but I recall something about a rich person who was looked down upon in "Society" because they were self-made rather than inheriting from their daddy. Plus the conversations were ridiculously difficult to follow.

[–]Rougepellet11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

We should all write romace novels and make bank. We have the formula right here. It'd be funnywhen people eventually find out some best selling romance novels were written by redpill misogynistic shitlords.

[–]pookwanka9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Beauty an the Beast. You can literally be another species and still desirable if you're rich, protective, dangerous.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what bugged me about that. The Beast couldn't just be a regular dude, he had to be a fucking prince.

[–]Amper_and_Sand 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

A beta male named Mike Newton falls in love with her. He has no negative qualities other than that he is an average looking guy who fell in love with an average looking girl. The beta male is constantly put down by the werewolf and the vampire. The heroine tricks the beta male into a double date with the werewolf, where he vomits at a horror movie because he is sick. The werewolf makes fun of him for being afraid of the movie, and then makes out with the heroine in the car right next to the beta male. Twilight fans really seem to hate this guy, for no real reason other than that he is a beta male. The author also seemed to really, really love having her characters treat him like crap.

I never gave it much thought, but this "beta hate" is probably more telling than the "alpha preference" women have. I once tried listening to 50 Shades audio book, and while I couldn't make myself listen to the whole thing, I do remember Anastasia's romantic disinterest towards that guy that worked with her in the hardware store.

Any good article/video/etc out there that specifically deals with the topic of "beta hate" in popular culture?

[–]bytesunfish9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

You forgot that the only way to be safe is if you're gifted a really expensive car.

I've heard that whole safety excuse from broke women refusing to sell their new-ish Mercedes/Lexus/BMW/etc. to get a used Honda to save money. They usually say something like, "I just wouldn't feel safe putting my kids in something like that."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My friend's Ex use to say "thanks for the Lexus payment" every time his child support payment was deposited into her account.

[–]facetothedawn7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had a lot of bad experiences with women and really what it comes down to is patience. Yes I know it's terrible and today seems like forever but there is an ebb and flow to everything. Work really hard to build a better YOU then the better women will follow.

When I became single after a while I set up rules, rules I thought would be for an impossible to find woman, but I stuck to my guns and you know what? I've had some amazing relationships. Set up your own rules but here are a couple of mine.

  1. The bag rule: Women with fancy bags are usually trouble. It's a fair stereotype to say that many women love money because society has made them materialistic. Find a woman with a regular, utilitarian bag and that's a good head start to finding a good woman.

    1. Fairly Conservative dress/natural make-up: I'm a fan of tits and short shorts just as much as the rest of us but tons of face paint in odd colors plus showing lots of skin, in my experience is a bad sign for things to come. If she could meet your grandma after a summer night out I've found that's a good sign.
  2. Doesn't drink too much or do a lot of drugs: if that's your thing, go for it but in my experience, especially since most women are "emotionally dynamic" to begin with, anything that adds to that ebb and flow is not going to help. A level headed woman is worth a thousands of times her weight in gold.

[–]RealityBitesU14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the most insightful and well stated posts I have ever seen on this subreddit.

Nicely done. I will be quoting/using it in my own life. I will not give you any credit.

[–]DforDeadpool3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have woman friends. I hear RP truths from their mouths every time. They just correct what's been said here. Of course I don't talk about TRP like a retard

[–]my_sfw_alias5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget the long and flowing locks of Fabio.

[–]Helmut_Newton4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The same goes for romance movies. I have an older female relative who watches the Hallmark Channel all the time. All the movies on there have the same basic plot: plucky, overeducated late-20's/early 30's heroine moves to the city/country after some dramatic event and meets local alpha hunk. Sparks fly, and after much unnecessary drama and attempts at humor, she eventually tames the hunk just enough so they can settle down and live happily ever after.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Romance Novels? My dude let's get real and deep here, let's go to the ultimate romance novel---The Bible:

God is ALWAYS a Man to women. Always. Religious girls love him because he provides boundaries and punishment and support and value and someone to blame. He's literally a father.

It's why, even though I'm vehemently anti-thiest, I only date women who are somewhat religious: they already know how to act around men.

[–]wiseprogressivethink3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell, don't even bother to read any romance novel, just look at the fucking cover art. It's always some tall muscular guy with an IDGAF look on his face, and there's usually a hint of danger or violence implied.

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[–]DailyManliness0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Less of wherever this is from, and more Black Sails from Starz, that show is about as alpha as it comes

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I remember when i was about 10,11,12. My source of porn was from my mom's romantic novels i'd take from her room.

[–]TRPApprentice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah in these fucking books the bitch usually isn't interested in the guy until he's full on alpha, but then they expect the bad boy to settle down. Of course the author grant the hamsters their little wish fulfillment and by the end of the book the free spirited psycho is the perfect little domesticated cuck

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

BP men would rather pedal their illusions than accept reality. It's much easier to stay in your shell, fantasize, and curse the outside world, than it is to actually take the risk, step outside your shell and compete in the real world.

At the end of the day, BP men just don't want to change. They don't want to compete. They don't want to be honest with themselves and say they have been sold a lie, by women who would rather have them "be themselves" and corporations that want to milk their fantasies.

Women will do, what women do, and no amount of policy, religion, morals, or ideological non-sense will stop their innate biological drives.

"Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding... It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self. Therefore, trust the physician and drink his remedy in silence and tranquility..." - Kahlil Gibran

[–]muddynips1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I was young I used to pick up some of these books after my mother finished them. By the time I got to the third book I realized they were all effectively the same.

It's literally just AF/BB. Girl fucks a slave-trading pirate, marries a northern army captain. Sometimes the story arch is converting AF into BB, sometimes the AF and BB compete for her affections.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

that flames and flowers story is what makes women wet. it's not really ltr material. it all goes back to evolution. a guy who is an asshole for a long time is one who gets away with it. that means he gets what he wants and does what he wants. wouldn't you want your offspring to have that ability too? all the women who were not turned on by those qualities had offsprings who couldn't even compete and couldn't pass on his genes at all. a man's evolutionary desire is to spread his genes as much as possible and a woman's evolutionary desire is to get the genes of a man who is capable of spreading his genes. from that standpoint, nothing men or women do is surprising at all.

[–]assknucksjr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fun Fact: 50 Shades originally started out as a fanfiction of Twilight called Master of the Universe

[–]vlodia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once Upon In Time West played flawlessly by Charles Bronson -- Harmonica.

He treats the Blonde Bonny Lass like shit, who happens to be the heroine of the film. The woman ends up wanting to marry the male protagonist in the end, but she couldn't because Harmonica is too busy seeking his own adventure.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's funny how women take shit way to the extreme. Their fantasies are up in the stratosphere. Everything is taken to the next level- be it sex or power.

Guys don't have such powerful fantasies, their much more grounded in reality. I think this is a reflection of how both sexes view and go through life.

The danger comes when women become so entitled they want to pursue all these fantasies. It's simply not a viable way to go in real life. It's like a guy that dreams about being superman, it's the male ideal taken to the absolute extreme.

Something tells me housewife's of the early 50's didn't have such intense fantasies. To make a comparison: Goody ol' Sally would dream about having to cocks at once in secret. Whilst Teenage Tiffany already looks at 5+ dicks gangbang porn.

Women are like water, create a big enough storm and you'll get 500 meter tall Armageddon waves that obliterates everything. There's no limit to their emotion because it's not grounded in reality.

Society's become so infatuated with the pursue of powerful emotions (drugs, sex, power, wealth, excitement) that the foundations of reality created by previous generations of men crumbles- irreversibly. It's sad really.

[–]dusky981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So true, I dare you all to go to this website and read the descriptions of the various romance novels. Pretty much every single one describes some ruthless and untameable CEO or future king who is wooed by some average plain jane, like his secretary or maid.


[–]user_none1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Back a year ago I was emailing back and forth with a younger woman on OkCupid. She's a writer and has published a bunch of short stories, plus some books. While she wasn't into writing about erotic lit, she went to various conventions, etc...and she confirmed that women are into some weird shit. We all know the vampire thing from Twilight, but there's also werewolves, dinosaurs and other stuff she mentioned. I've never read any of that (trash) and don't intend to, but it could give some insight into what depravity women are seeking.

Oh, I asked her flat out if the weird stuff was about women having sex with vampires, werewolves, dinosaurs, etc...and she confirmed it was. WTF?!

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It all comes down to feelz, ultimately. Weridest stuff= strongest feelz, as long as you aren't too weirded out. Women are more secretly inclined than men to push something to eleven.

[–]DailyManliness0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've actually been writing an article about this but mine mentioned quite a few more examples including the all time favorite romance novel/movie, The Notebook. I've actually read through a chunk of these 100+ comments and haven't seen it mentioned from what I can tell. Spoiler alert: she has a choice between the rugged alpha male or rich pretty boy that treats her with the doggoneit southern respect she deserves. Guess who she picks? Plus, at the beginning of the movie, the main character is extremely young and while "somewhat beta" he doesn't follow social conventions and even rips on her family and rigid life

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a great book out there - an anthology of essays - by various authors of romance novels. They describe how they develop their characters, what attributes, characteristics, etc., that they give them.

Romance novels comprise over one half of all books sold in the US; move romance novels are sold than all other books COMBINED.

The name of the aforementioned anthology is called Dangerous Men, Adventurous Women.

[–]ElGuapoMiguel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are so right. I just posted an ad on CL using the themes above. Up vote.

Lol, wonder what kind of responses I will get? I bet staunch, angry, and unhappy feminists types.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What they all have in common:

1.Good looks 2.Power: physical strength or social influence 3.Obsession with the female protagonist to the point of losing control

[–]the99percent1-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quality shitpost associating novels with real life.. trp cannot be found in mainstream novels. Neither are the male characters any representation on trp topics.

fiction is just that, made up stories...

[–]Horus_Krishna_2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep this is what women want and I love them for it!

[–]AragornRF-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue Pillers call us misogynists because that's what they themselves are, and they can't accept it.

There it is..

[–]devilabit-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yer obsessed with women's novels in here. How about this for a left field thought. Stroll down town and look at real people shopping. Look at girlfriend and boyfriends together, do you see any of those character types.

Women want rape, slavery, etc in fantasy , but that's only fantasy, that's why it's called fantasy. But in reality they want either a normal guy with a steady job or some caring artist type., ultimately someone they can connect with on a social level.

I'm four long term (2-3 years) , live-in relationships into the mix. Be funny and kind , and ask a lot of questions , and you'll be fine. Obviously don't be a wimp, but that's pretty obvious without reading a book on the subject.

[–]TheRedChemist1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Time to close the sub, guys. devilabit just shut down the whole of TRP theory.

[–]sacbite2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Devilabit has a great point, though. Try to look at what real women do -- not what their fantasies are. That means actually getting to know real women. When you do, you'll see they DO have those fantasies we've been discussing, but they also have an entire other side to them. If you want to have lots of great sex and a happy fun time with the ladies, you'll need to INTEGRATE both. That shit isn't easy. I'm not saying integration is -- women ARE crazy. But you have to look at REAL WOMEN to learn real game. Not just fantasy and entertainment pages. Because, look at how women act in men's fantasies (porn). Is that REALLY how women are? You know it's not. TL;DNR? Don't base your perception of women on FICTIONAL characters.