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This topic has been well and truly covered before but it is a reminder of a fundamental red pill truth, and some instruction on what to do if you still have this tendency. This post is for newbies and those who are yet to fully swallow the pill. Search yourself for these behaviours, and be honest.

Pedestalising women is one of the most beta, repulsive, vagina drying things that a man can do. Seriously if you are more into a girl than she is into you, then just walk away, or alternately grow a fucking pair. If you are looking up to a woman then mentally, physically and metaphorically, she has no choice but to look DOWN on you. It is entirely your fault, do not blame the woman for treating you like a lap dog bitch, you put yourself into that position 100%. I will break this down into three categories:

  1. You like a girl you are not having sex with. This is the worst case scenario. You think about her before sleep and as soon as you wake up. Your balls tingle while you visualise her. You get butterflies in the stomach when you think about her. You dream of a life together. If the above Disney movie description of your fee fees is accurate, do not feel too bad, we have all been there (except Chad). However we at the red pill are here to wake you up. Seriously if this is you then I wish I was in the room with you right now so I could slap you upside the head and tell you to fucking grow a pair. Women are repulsed by this behaviour and rightfully so. Your options are either: A - sidebar, man up and initiate kino the next time you see her or B - just forget about her. You repulse her and she is busy getting railed by Chad while you are at home crying into your pillow.

  2. You are in a sexual relationship with a woman and you think she is great and you are in love. If you love her more than she loves you do not ask me how you can tell this, if you are unsure, then you definitely love her more than she loves you. You do shit like text her then worry when she doesn't text back, you accept her bullshit excuses as to why she is late or cancels a date (do you think she is slow to text Chris Hemsworth or she cancels dates with him?), you miss her a lot when you have not seen her for a while. You have two choices here, A - walk away or B - flip that shit. The second option will not be easy, I give you at best a 25% chance, after all she already knows you are pissweak. So if you are foolish enough to try option B then head to the sidebar and read it again because if you are in this position, you have not swallowed the pill. Cancel the next date you have with her, go to the gym, go out with your boys, visit your family, fuck another girl who likes you more than you like her. Just know that you need to be ready to lose her. She already thinks that you are a weak little bitch, so changing her mind is going to be hard work.

  3. You are either married, in an LTR of several years or more, and maybe have kids. Now as pathetic as category 1 is, your situation is almost as bad. Either you started alpha and went beta, or you were always beta. The signs and symptoms in this case: you are scared to lose her (not scared of losing your kids and money - that is a different and reasonable fear), you buy her expensive gifts and she does not reciprocate, her SMV is higher than yours, she speaks to you or treats you disrespectfully. If this is the case you need to do one of two things, A - GTFO of the relationship (especially if there are no kids, seriously just run, you cannot fix that shit and even if you make it better it is not worth it). or B - Read Rollo's "The Reconstruction" ten times, then start the long, difficult, painful but ultimately rewarding path laid out on the MRP sidebar.

This stuff is so basic it should not need to be written down. Search your feelings, are you more into her than she is into you? If yes or you are unsure then you are pedestalising her, fucking stop it. If you put her up there, then no wonder she is pissing on you from a great height.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 78 points79 points  (65 children)

I'm #1. Can you elaborate why she's so repulsed by me?

[–]throw17453 74 points75 points  (9 children)

I'm #1.

That's the first step - you'll do fine ;)

Can you elaborate why she's so repulsed by me?

In my view this is not accurate - it is Hyperbole used here to slap a guy around the head, and get him to stand up straight and act in his own interest.

Women are not necessarily repulsed by guys in your position - but they are not attracted. You may have some idealised fantasy notion of who she is. Auvergnat puts it absolutely clearly below, women are attracted to men who are Above them... Beyond them. A guy in a position of power, control, status. A guy who desires them, but doesn't need them. Know's what she desires sexually, and how to bring her to a helpless state where she can give way to him. Is someone she can look up to, invest emotionally in...

How can she feel that way about a guy she Knows is hooked on her. See's her idealistically.... that she can manipulate easily, is predictable, dependable, a known entity. A guy like that might provide validation, emotional support, comfort... but If he tries to be sexual or initiate then she might feel repulsed... uncomfortable... she just doesn't think about him "that way". Really what she wants - although would never admit - is an inversion of the dynamic. A guy she can put on a pedestal in her mind, trust. emotionally commit to, desire.

If you're going to put anyone on a pedestal - make it yourself.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Fuck I do all the hooked on shit you just described. I have SO MUCH work to do to change. It's hard when a lot of it stems from confidence, high self-worth, and overall masculinity. Those are three things I don't really have and are ingrained at such a deep level. I need to start an upward spiral of gaining all these traits. Where to start, hmmm???

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 7 points8 points  (6 children)

That mindset described is what is called "being your own mental point of origin" and it's not the result of the three things you mentioned, but rather, these three things are the manifestations of that mindset.

  1. Read the Rational Male for the "Be your own Mental Point of Origin" mindset.
  2. Make the attainment of that mindset your goal.
  3. When you interact with people, ask yourself "how does this benefit ME?", "Am I doing what I want to do?", "Do I say this because I want THEM to appreciate me, or because I just want to say it", etc. If it sounds selfish, then you're on the right path.
  4. Every time you catch yourself doing something to gain validation from someone, stop yourself in your tracks. Every time your actions make it look like you put someone on the pedestal, stop yourself (unless it's your master, see law of power #1).
  5. Ultimately apply the mindset to your interactions with women. You are the PRIZE and she's just lucky that you have some attention to spare and that you give it to her.
  6. Once you've put yourself on the pedestal this way, everything should fall into place. You'll exude higher status and people will believe it.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Thanks a lot. I will look into that book.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's a book but all the book content is blog posts. Google "the rational male mental point of origin" to find the posts

[–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Is it bad that I myself am the person of my dreams? I masturbate to a sci fi flick where I meet my own clone, make love, and be happily ever after..

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes it's bad. As an autosexual, you place both yourself on the pedestal (which makes you attracted to you), and your other self too (which makes you unattracted to you). The resulting paradox may destroy the universe.

[–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh how I wish I had the power to destroy the universe (or even just this planet). I'd fucking cause chaos all over.

But srs tho we don't actually have much of penetrative sex it's just cuddling and stuff. When I do want to have secs, I just ask my clone to morph into a female version of myself.

But dang... I'm so pretty with 2 X chromosomes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You fool, you doom us all! Just pump and dump yourself already!

[–]DeadShot91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Self awareness and acceptance of your shortcomings is the first step to healing and improvement. You are indentifying and fixing your detrimental behavior which in and of itself is masculine. Keep your head up bro. We've all been there. Just read the sidebar and continue to internalize these bitter truths.

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (7 children)

Good on you for owning that shit, that is the first step, I am proud of you for owning up. I am betting that at least 50 guys have read this and they are number 1 but they did not have the balls to say it. There is no single answer, it is a case of failure to implement the TRP sidebar. If you are new here then that is fine. All you need to do is immerse yourself in the sidebar and the gym, do it all properly then in 12 months from now, hey presto, models calling you up to offer dinner and anal at their place. Godspeed.

[–]UnKnownSurviving 10 points11 points  (2 children)

True. Most guys won't admit it. I am actually #1. It just hit me. But yeah.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Congratulations, admitting you have a problem is the first stage of being cured. Now open your mouth and take this red pill

[–]reecewagner 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There is no single answer, it is a case of failure to implement the TRP sidebar

I know this is technically the right answer, and I also know that part of the point of TRP is to force yourself to quit taking shortcuts, but that sidebar is fucking loooooong man. Valuable, yes. Easily discouraging and somewhat aimless to newcomers, absolutely. It's a mini Encyclopedia at this point.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you cannot spend a few hours every few days over a few weeks, then you are not ready. It is like thinking there is a fast way to get jacked or become a doctor or lose weight. There isn't.

[–]JuanKuru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's people who have read that shit twice..cultivate some discipline.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (21 children)

Because biologically, deep-down, even subconsciously, she wants a man. She wants Khal Drago, Hercules, James Bond. She does not want Mr. Nice Guy m'ladying her all day long. Does James Bond worry about why girlsare branch swinging and his bedroom is dead? How come? Because it never gets to that point. He is a man. Do you watch Game of Thrones? Compare Khal Drago with Tyrion Lannister, the dwarf. Who do women want to fuck? Khal Drago, duh. Why? Tyrion is a much, much nicer guy. So why? Start opening your eyes to the truth about what women want. Watch what they do, not what they say. They are natural liars. They're children.

She knows she is just a normal person who farts, takes disgusting shits, and has below-average IQ. So if you obsess over her and make her your main focus all the time, what does that say about you? To her, it says you're not desirable and you're not anything special. You clearly aren't a top tier male if you don't have other women at your beck and call. That's all it comes down to. A needy guy is a loser in a girl's book (actually in any book).

You can give a girl everything she wants. Jewelry, dinners, clothes, a home, compliments, etc. And the more of this stuff you give her, the less she's getting what she really wants - a man who is busy, a man who is wanted by other girls, a man who doesn't care. You need to stop caring. Women care.

You need to deprogram. Your parents, your teachers, and Nickelodeon all lied to you. Focus on self-betterment... lift, nourish your friendships, and save money. Watch what happens.

[–]LightningDustt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tyrion gets all the bitches. Granted, a certain bitch got him

[–]ChristianRedpill points points [recovered]

She knows she is just a normal person who farts, takes disgusting shits, and has below-average IQ.

This is the crux. Women know deep down inside that they are:

  • weak
  • foolish
  • shallow
  • filthy
  • selfish
  • fearful

Anyone who worships that kind of person is a pathetic loser. Women don't want losers, they want men who they can respect and adore. Become that. Read the sidebar.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 2 points3 points  (9 children)

But I mean come on, not all women are like that. Aren't some people here to find true love, and who could ever fall in love with someone who is like that at their core? Or are you just making a generalization about most women, which I could agree with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I'm jumping in here to tell you they are ALL like that. To varying degrees obviously. You need to spend way more time around here. And around women.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'll take that as a friendly invitation and I accept! So how can you fall in love with one while holding this belief?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How old are you? Just curious

[–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By leaving all the Disney crap behind and taking the truth for what it is.

Love the truth

[–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very few women are organized and clean when living by themselves.

They tend to be lazy, and the prettier she naturally is the worst since why bother so much if she is already pretty and desirable???

They all know it, and the moment they see you put "all that" in a pedestal, well, they take you for the fool you are in their eyes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All women are like that. Being in love is an unhealthy codependency. If you truly love someone, you give them what they need and not what they want. Women need a man to be strong and to not tolerate their horseshit.

[–]Keldoclock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao, and you're not all of those things inside too? Get real

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I'm already pretty well off. I know everything I grew up with lied to me. And I know I have to deprogram. But you have to understand there is immense inner-conflict right now. Me trying will probably start with me trying too hard and being a huge dick, which I'd rather not be. I am working on myself everyday. I am gaming girls everyday. I currently don't get any girls. But I am making a lot of progress (coming from a place of high anxiety, social awkwardness, low confidence/low self-esteem). I'm going on dates and shit now. For an awkward guy, I'm loved by many so I know I'm not in as deep a hole as I can be. But what about in the end if I still want this girl? It's generally too late right? But what if I'm spending a lot of time with her anyways. How can I turn the tables? Currently I'm emotionally always there for her...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Currently I'm emotionally always there for her...

Read what you just wrote. You're not getting it. I guarantee this girl could be yours if you'd just get it. You need to change completely. It's a lot easier to possess the right mind frame after tons of experience, girlfriends, etc. I know it is probably very hard if you're coming from a position of blue-pill scarcity. But you need to stop caring. Pull away from her. Respond to her texts like you would your mom when she's being annoying or someone you have no interest in impressing. Few words. Be occupied. But actually be occupied. The right mind frame is everything. If you need to you can even find an Alpha male, like Dan Bilzerian or something. Check out his instagram. Get an idea for how he lives and thinks. Then wake up every day thinking how would Dan Bilzerian live this day. Every text you get think How would Dan Bilzerian respond to this text. I know it seems lame but you might have to start there.

I am gaming girls everyday.

You should not be gaming girls every day. You need to put yourself in a position where you're not working at it. Exude importance. Maintain mystery. Have hobbies and keep busy. Be the prize. You need to be to her what she currently is to you. Flip it now. And never be in this position again. If you flip it and she just goes away it's because she already has cemented you as an unworthy white knight orbiter. Move on. But never be that guy again.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I mean I'm sort of getting it. I was just describing how I've been, not how I plan to be moving forward. I can probably handle her via text with the correct mind frame. But I'll be seeing her in the coming weeks and I'm sure neediness will be oozing out of every pore of my body. Hey maybe I'll try understanding how needy I am and that she's probably not even that great. And try to lose actual interest in her. But what are some quick fixes to start getting the wheels turning in the right, masculine, direction (in terms of how I interact with her)?

EDIT: About this whole not gaming girls everyday thing. I totally agree I need more hobbies. I definitely keep pretty busy as is, but it's a lot of business and self-development shit like reading, meditating, etc. I may get into guitar or dancing just for fun. But I'm not convinced that hobbies/keeping busy should replace game. I am thinking about a combination of both. Game helps me work on my social skills, anxiety, and uh...game. I'd love to hear more of your thoughts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Act like she's a friend who just got engaged. Like she's someone who's completely and totally off the market. That's really the best advice I can give. But you need to work on yourself first. Confidence cannot be faked. You need to cultivate your friendships and career. Learn new hobbies. Participate in sports. Lift and run 4 times a week. The rest will fall into place.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cultivate friendships, career, exercise...check. Will work on the other things. I do feel like it's hard to describe my days in a way that's not boring as shit, so I definitely do need to spice up my hobbies and shit. But thanks for the advice, this shit really helps.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gaming girls every day is fine so long as you are not neglecting the gym, your mission or other things in your life. However if you are gaming girls every day and not getting laid at least once a months then you are wasting time.

[–]thefaceless_097 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yo, what are your ways to make a girl know that you're interested in her? For example i say nice things to girls that i like, but at the same time i dont put them on a pedestal. I workout, i dont text 24/7 (almost never, and if a do is for logistics), i dont say things to get validation. But, to make her different from other girls, aka girls im not interested in, i need a way to make her know that im interested in her, hence, my nice talking. But when i refer to nice talking i dont mean giving compliments 100% of the time. Its different. Im not a thirsty beta, and i dont seek her atention either. But it seems that by talking the way i talk to her, according to trp philosophy, im wrong. So, again my first question: what are the recommended things to make a girl know that you are interested in her? besides kino. I ask this because if seems that the tool im using is wrong according to the rp.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (13 children)

Female view: There's no challenge. It gets boring real quick. If we are sure of how you feel towards us, it makes it that much easier to manipulate you, thus making you look weak.

We know we can snap our fingers and watch you dance at any given point. That's boring. Entertain us. Give us something to chase.

If a guy acts like the sun shines out of my ass upon meeting me, it's a red flag that they are co-dependent, weak, and will probably let me walk all over them. It's just too easy. We liked that in highschool when we liked being chased, but adults find it pathetic.

[–]jagmp points points [recovered]

What do you offer for a counter part of all that you want from men ?

[–]drty_pr 3 points4 points  (5 children)

There's no challenge

Don't be easy

It gets boring real quick

Don't be boring

If we are sure of how you feel towards us

Don't let her know how you feel too easy

it makes it that much easier to manipulate you

Don't be manipulated

We know we can snap our fingers and watch you dance at any given point

Don't be a soft little bitch

Entertain us

Be fun

Give us something to chase

Don't chase her

If any guy acrs like the sun shines out of my ass upon meeting him, it's a red flag that they are co-dependent, weak, and will probably let me walk all over them

Don't be weak, don't let them walk all over you and her ass shoots shit, not sunshine

We liked that in highschool when we liked being chased, but adults find it pathetic

Don't be like a fuckin high school kid. Don't he pathetic. Be a man of value who women actually want to be with.

[–]jagmp points points [recovered]

Which men would want to loose is time with this kind of "lady" ? If I work on myself, would I want to be with this little girl ? I can see from far that the relation will have no benefits. Why loose time with a little girl that just want to be entertained, manipulate men and go in a "power relationship" ?

[–]drty_pr 2 points3 points  (2 children)

While your desire to only deal with certain women is admirable, your forgetting a core concept of Red Pill. AWALT. This woman wouldn't be able to manipulate her man if he wouldn't allow it. The women you think wouldn't manipulate a man (unicorns), would all manipulate a man if he let them. Or simply not be part of a pussies life. All Women Are Like That

[–]jagmp points points [recovered]

I agree with this point. Just wondering why so much men who are in the red pill, loose their time to get this kind of women. Maybe just to get laid or for the pride to have control. Even if he don't allow the manipulation, what's the goal finally ? It's like if women don't do the work on their side. AWALT is ok, but some work on themselves like some men does. I would like cooperation, not manipulation. Here it seems that if it's not the woman who manipulate, this is the man who do it, what a loss of time.

[–]drty_pr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep reading and lifting. It will all make sense eventually.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It doesn't matter. Pretty girls are the ones being chased on average so they get to be the picky part in the deal. Don't see their "wants" as something they demand and don't offer any compensation for; it's just that with so much dick on offer, they get to choose the most attractive ones. It's a marketplace.

You gotta run the same game. Become high value so that you become in demand and then you get to be the choosy one. And when you'll reach that point and you tell a girl the long list of qualities required for you to deign spend time with her and she asks "but what do you offer as a counter part of all you want in a girl", you'll get to say "it doesn't matter. I am the one in demand."

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So give me an example of a first impression that would turn you on. Assuming you are a female.

[–]Pullop 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you have any experience or success hitting on girls?

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A little bit. I had a lot more 3-4 years in the past. Then I've been getting a few numbers here and there. This is also referred to as, "No".

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

womens love is based in admiration and respect.

[–]drty_pr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And bunnies. All women like bunnies.

[–]Kryptic_Knight 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Few things; don't indulge her need to keep you as a diary.

You need a mantra, some say "AWALT" others use common platitudes and phrases. Ultimately, you shouldn't think of her as a pink unicorn, or even your pink unicorn, she's human, she shits, eats, and is as disgusting as you are.

You need to be honest with yourself, and stop old behavior with new behavior that behooves you and your getting laid. 3.2 billion women out there, trust me, you can find one that you can actually bed, instead of one that you put on a pedestal and jerk off to.

She's repulsed by your behavior, not you. You can be the cutest guy on the block, and it wouldn't matter if you're a cuck/simp. You have to understand that you're the prize. Put yourself on the pedestal.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Jerk off to her for sure. Thinking about her shitting certainly helps! Hah. If you were in my shoes, what course of action would you take? I want to work hard and make change and feel a difference in 6 months.

[–]Kryptic_Knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, if I were you, I would explore more, not only myself (which should always be the case) but women/places in general. Visit your local dive or bar, don't drink, and watch. Read the atmosphere, learn the lingo, etc.

That might help you learn what kind of archetype she is, and be further repulsed. It's also nice getting a "birds eye view" of someone like you or even women who are complete cunts.

More importantly, someone might find you, on your way to self improvement, life is funny that way. Its best to look at her this way; she's a user, a manipulative leech who doesn't care for your feelings, or your compassion.

[–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other guys have told you pretty much all you asked. I want to add, since this was for me an eye opener, that if your SMV is too low in her eyes, she can be disgusted by the mere idea of you thinking sexually of her.

Something along the lines of "so this is the best that i can do?".

Whatever the case just walk away and do your thing. Rarely a woman will change her opinion on you once you hit the friendzoneTM .

Take things slow and focus on you

[–]Gardrothard 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She's not repulsed, nor does she necessarily not care about you. But she does see you like a child. Your best option there is that she starts seeing you as her child (then you might actually get something out of it).

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't seem like the most optimal result.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Notice the commonality between the three cases: it is being more invested in her than she is in you.

"Women are attracted to powerful men"


"In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least."


In a relationship, the woman will be attracted to you if you need her less than she needs you.

[–]bolupua 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Notice the commonality between the three cases: it is being more invested in her than she is in you.

Being with a girl that you don't really are into, is the recipe for her to fall completely in love with you.

Also to be miserable, because you might as well be jacking to porn.

It's possible to get any meaningful relationship with a women? If you love her, she will leave you. If you don't, well she will stay but why bother?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You fall in the typical trap that decades of modern romanticism has instilled in your brain, thinking that a relationship must be based on that fleeting intense emotion we call "love". For million of years, humans and proto-humans have pair bonded because the bonding was mutually beneficial, over a wide range of reasons: financial/status/family/stability/companionship/mutual care. Now it's all based on the shakiest, most ephemeral of all the chemical highs that run through the human brain. It's like wanting to decide your entire career only in the moments you're high on drugs.

So to be clear: a "meaningful" relationship is not based on whether you both "love" each other. Indeed as you understand from what I said, it is unsustainable. And therefore a fool's errand. Make a "meaningful" relationship with a woman you respect and appreciate enough to obtain a benefit from the relationship (family, stability, companionship). But if you need to "love" her to be in it, well I have some bad news.

[–]MasterHaircuttt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like lots of women without being heads over heels. View their benefits as people but keep in mind their flaws.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The best relationship with a woman is one in which she is in love and you are in like. She must add value to your life beyond her pussy. You must have the willingness and capability to walk away without a second thought. Remember every relationship ends.

[–]bolupua 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is my current relationship. I wish it was the other way though, fucking someone you truly love have to be the best thing in the universe.

[–]AntixD points points [recovered]

do you think she is slow to text Chris Hemsworth

There was an old saying in the PUA/manosphere "If Brad Pitt asked her on a date, would she still say she had to study or was going to the movies with friends that night?"


The thing is Look at Brad pitt and angelina,They got divorced,why? Is Brad pitt unsuccessful? Is he ugly? Does he lack basic socializing skills? No he's not,The fucking woman was bat shit insane And she has no idea how to behave and be a decent human being,

From my Experiences If you're looking for a relationship the most important thing is to not be with a fucking cunt,or the alternative just fuck them and leave them it's what Most women want anyway

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The thing is Look at Brad pitt and angelina,They got divorced,why? Is Brad pitt unsuccessful? Is he ugly? Does he lack basic socializing skills?

"Familiarity breeds contempt" while "strange dick is alluring". After years with Pitt, she just stopped seeing him as the super high SMV male he is in the eyes of everyone else. Even a guy like Pitt can't do without keeping some mystery, keeping her on her toes, applying a bit of dread here and there.

[–]UnKnownSurviving 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah. She was trying to divorce-rape him or somewhere along the line, but then she "tearfully" admitted the bullshit she was doing. The things that women say, I'm no longer inclined to believe them anymore. Just pump and dump them.

[–]AntixD points points [recovered]

yup she's crazy,she adopted all those kids for the fame,It's great to help the needy/orphaned but doing it for fame is fucking pathetic,it's his fault for marrying her,Actions have consequences

[–]bolupua 1 point2 points  (2 children)

it's his fault for marrying her

He was Angelina Jolie dude, now she's 40 but when she was 20 she was fucking hot.

[–]UnKnownSurviving 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely hot when she was in her twenties. But now, she's 40, she's taken up directing. Her reasons for doing so, is just bullshit, claiming she wants "experience" as director. The only the reason she's doing this, is because she is physically deteriorating, along with her beauty, having breast cancer, meaning she's hit the wall. She knows this, but she won't admit it. She probably won't even know what's "hitting the wall" is. Either way, she won't admit the the truth.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 9 points10 points  (5 children)


  • Men love women, women love children, children love puppies


Seems like every month or so I have to pull this out and remind (or introduce) everyone of the basic pattern of masculinity and feminity.

When you "grow up" you move to the front of that sentence after starting off as a child towards the middle. The puppy teaches you how power flows. Your puppy is like a child or a woman to you... she is your "pet".


[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Hey, you know what? I'm glad you pull this out every month or so. I've been lurking here for damn near 2 years. That shit right there can put a stop to just about any kind of beta rationalizing a man can do to himself.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As long as I only use the sentence sparingly it seems to be effective.


[–]bolupua 0 points1 point  (2 children)


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dogs definitely love upward. A dog is a far better investment than a girlfriend for this exact reason.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sharp mind sees:


  • Masculine loves feminine

  • Master loves slave

  • Captain loves Firstmate

  • Men love women

  • Women love children

  • Children love puppies


Food cannot "look up" to it's master... so your idea is... well... silly of course.

Each interaction works both up and down.

Loving food is not real love because food can't love you back. (despite the obese people who think it can)


[–]UnKnownSurviving 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Wise words. I needed this shit. Unwinding everything I've learned is going to be an excruciating pain now and the next few years. I already feel it peeling. There's nothing more I can say.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right there with ya. Layers and layers of false promises, hopes, and bullshit.

[–]dontbedenied 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. I wish I had read this a long, long time ago. I was a #2. I broke up with my girlfriend last week but it was obvious I wanted her more than she wanted me, and that I was putting her on a pedestal. Indeed, I'm pretty sure she was hung up on her ex, who she herself put on a pedestal. I'm glad the relationship is over because she was a bitch and a poor choice for a LTR, but still it would have been nice to put some of these things into practice. Man, I love this sub.

[–]Rudeyyyy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Truth here. Before I found TRP I asked out this HB9 and did all the typical beta shit. Gives me the I got a boyfriend shit test and if course bc I was BP I fell for it. Then I find TRP, I cut off all contact with her. I start pursuing another girl in her same social group and she gets pissed. She hits me up last week, I don't respond.

After undergoing a full summer of RP and revamping myself and fixing my flaws I'm gonna escalate when we get back to uni in the fall. If she's down, great. If not, plenty of other poon to go around.

No I'm not doing this for her. I'm revamping myself for ME. Because we are the prize.

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Sweep them off their feet, and watch as they respect you from the ground.

You let them control the relationship, but take it away and they have no leg to stand on. They will not expect it, because you let them underestimate you. The fall is harder, and they will be left shocked.

It's a machivellian tactic I use at work, but works in relationships as well.

[–]MrAnderzon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Do you physically sweep the leg like in the karate kid.

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That might get you some charges .

[–]globst 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Could you give me more insight into this?

I've tried this exact tactic out with 2 girls. One failed and one worked. In both cases I acted like Chad before hooking up and then when we did I got really affectionate and sweet. Then when I felt them pulling away and getting less attracted I would turn full 180 and become aloof and distant.

One girl literally lapped it up and fell in love within a month. I had given her such a rush of oxytocin and good feelz that she couldn't hamster the sudden change.

The other never recovered and always challenged me and treated me like the beta she saw for the first few weeks. I partly think this was due to me losing frame when she denied me morning sex (the point I noticed her pulling away) and saw my behaviour as butthurt (I'll never know)

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The second one didn't work because you didn't commit nor hit her hard. She saw through you. This isn't bluffing its fact. You don't take the relationship away with intentions gstting back. You need to believe your done as well

[–]globst 0 points1 point  (1 child)

ok thats a fair assessment.

Could you please tell me your tactic and how you play it through from the start so I can try with the next one?

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you put her on a pedestal, then stop putting her on a pedestal.

If it becomes an opposition, leave.

That is it. I hate when people talk aboit FR's where their girlfriend comes crawling back.

That's not the goal. You had to go through all that shit for her to say sorry. She's clearly not worth your time. She obviously does not see eye to eye with you, and it won't change. LEAVE and do not look back.

They will respect you when you do commit to this, but if you really know your worth, you wouldn't want her attention anymore.

The real trick is to never put someone else above you.

[–]wonderjones 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So im new to RP. How do you exactly go about flipping nr 2?

[–]laere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Number 1 has always been my issue. It used to be worse than it is now, but there's still a tiny piece of it that lingers in my subconscious mind. I have been trying to get rid of it just by setting small goals to accomplish, pick up new hobbies (meditation being one of them) and overall trying to just focus on being present rather than in my head. Overall, just trying to improve myself.

A good example is yesterday as I get off work, I see this chick in a nice dress that exposes the outline of her ass. You know the tight dress where you can literally see their ass shaking as they walk. She knew I was checking her out and she even went to sit down. I could have approached her but I didn't. Just the feelings that I had gotten from watching her ass shake sort of threw me off and I just instantly got stuck in my head and rationalized it away as "I am too tired to deal with people right now."

I don't know why I keep buffering myself up. I have been slowly working on making eye contact with girls and smiling, trying to take it slow. I still have a long ways to go though. I am not expecting results after 1 day. I just really want to crush this pedestalization bullshit (I've been off porn 2 weeks, which I've heard helps de-pedestalize women), because logically I know women are just human beings with fat deposits in all the right places. And logically I also know I am a good catch, just got some things I need to work on.

Not sure if what I said is hamstering or makes any sense to anyone else. Just needed to vent a bit.

[–]Hoops_Junkie2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your second paragraph is the story of my life.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The problem I have with this is that I don't see how you can get the attention of any woman if you don't show some investment. Trouble with the balance of seduction. Unless I pursuing them, why would they be interested in me? And why the fuck would I pursue them if I am not interested in them? I just end up with a one sided investment.

[–]Wissenschaft85 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is very true. Though I reject the whole pedestal. I only date women who are willing to treat each other equally. That means everything from sharing chores to sharing the bill on a date. I will not date any woman who insists that I pay for her. I am not a whore to be used and disposed of when a woman gets bored. I also don't demand she pay for me though sometimes thats nice and yes some woman will actually do that. They seem quite proud to be able to pay for a date (its apparently taboo because we all know a man would never allow that......because we know how all men think).

I prefer both of us to pay. Sharing costs quickly makes it clear we are either going to treat each other as equals or not date. This doesn't mean I won't occasionally pay for date. Sometimes its a nice treat thats extra sweet because its not the norm.

If you want to get women more interested in you then yes, be the less interested party. or fake it by learning to mask your feelings. Women are certainly more skilled at this than most men.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Downvoted for using the word "equally" in context of genders' treatment of each other.

[–]swordshab 1 point2 points  (3 children)

My friend is #1 what do I do to help him

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Diredt him to the sidebar, just remember, most people are not willing to swallow the pill

[–]thechaosz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you think he will learn. My bro is a way far cuckold that doesn't listen so I stopped trying

[–]Landry86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's never healthy when one person in the relationship is out-of-sync with the other in terms of who loves the other one more... there needs to be a balance. Kyle Trouble of Return of Kings tweeted recently:

"All relationships are transactional"


Thank you for posting this difficult truth. It is also true from a woman's perspective. You can be nice and likeable without smothering us with gifts and compliments.

[–]Outisde 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I fall under situation #2. By no means do i love her, but i do think about her a lot. I have never showed her this though. Everytime we interact I am 100% aloof and she eats that shit up. She replies to my texts on time and does not cancel dates, but I am the one scheduling them all the time. Is that how it works? I always schedule? Sometime I worry that i need more emotional conversations to get her more attracted? Not sure though. Thoughts or advice?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thoughts and advice are to fuck other women, or if you really want an LTR with this girl then at least get real about being aloof and be prepared to lose her. There is some chance you are not providing enough comfort but I tend to err on the side of the negative and assume there is a problem with attraction. When women are really into you they cannot leave you alone and they are constantly asking for cuddles and saying shit like "do you love me?". If a woman is in love with you, you will know.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The pedestal goes beyond women. It's a human thing. If you let another person know either directly or indirectly that you need them more than they need you, they will respect you less. This goes for everyone. The only way to ensure anyone doesn't have power over you is to adjust your perceived interest in them when you get the feeling they could take you or leave you.

[–]laere 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The thing is, how does a guy with a long ass dry spell not seem so damn needy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The bigger question, is how do I present myself in a way other than my true self? When you consider women painting their faces, politicians lying to the people, salesmen pretending they care, you realize that altering your output so that others see you differently is a normal part if human interaction. My point is, fake it. Act. Put on a 'look', persona, attitude etc. That masks your true, 'lack of abundance' perspective. Literally create it yourself and believe in it fully. To the extent you commit, will be the extent others accept it.

[–]laere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright. This is already something I sort of am doing. Thanks.

[–]J_AsapGem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

read the title alone and knew this would be a good post

[–]midnightrequest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Put her down so she can look up, which is what all women want to do. How negging works, basically.

[–]Whitehowlite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Duhhh, in a nutshell women construe all excessive emotionality as feminine & needy. They are that already, they don't need another one, they don't WANT another one - they want to lose themselves in your masculinity. I know that some males naturally more than others are quite idealistic romantically but #1 is absolutely pathetic. If someone does that, best bet they work the courage to try make it somewhat of a reality. It's about taking initiative, saying fuck it and amounting to the things you want - if you choose not to, then you don't deserve it anyway.

[–]sj2k 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. What I have trouble with is how quickly the script flips to #2 for me. I went out with a girl, had a great date, had great sex at the end - casually thought to myself, "yea this one's cool and hot, she's clearly real into me. Got this in the bag, I'll keep her around"

Literally two days later, she pulls back when I try to set something up and rather than finding it amusing or reacting in an indifferent way, I fall into category #2 immediately. I recognize this and realize I now have no chance (or your 25%) of righting the ship because deep down I know I'm weak for reacting this way

I think I know the answer(there was a post recently on emotional investment), but how do YOU avoid falling into #2?

[–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (5 children)

B - just forget about her

Tell me how . I want to. But everytime i go to college classes , i think of her giving validation i see if she is staring and i fantasize a lot. How do i stop it ?

I started cutting porn yesterday. It pedestalizes women a lot

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

The easiest way to forget one woman is to fuck many women. The easiest way to do that is follow the sidebar. Are you lifting?

[–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yea i am lifting for 6 months . Put lot of muscle bullking and now i cut for summer . I read the sidebar pdf almost twice. But i got huge AA and if approach and all goes well i never escalate .

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Approach is the weakest part of my game as well. I am really food with kino, escalation, closing but approach has always been my weakest link. I overcome that with internet dating. If you look good in your profile then the girls will come to you. Also it is a numbers game. I still approach, and it gets easier with practice. Outcome independence and abundance are your friends. Just focus on your appearance and your mission and the rest will follow

[–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I made tinder and a good profile . After 2 hours of nothing i decided to delete it . I mean i dont even have social life or any interesting friends and i prefer fix that first alongside with my mission which is studying and building discipline for a electronic and computer engineer . Should i remake tinder ? all o got is selfies tbh. appreciate it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just stick to the gym and your mission. Other things are secondary. You should have given tinder more than 2 hours. It is a numbers game. Join lots of free sites, then just send "Hey" to all of the girls you like. If you get 1 in 10 responses you are doing better than most.

[–]bolupua 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm #1 for a girl but Chad for all others.

I know she's repulsed if she found out that I pedestalized her. I try to hide it from her. However I always end fucking it up. I kind of neg my oneitis so much that now she blocked me on all social media, lol. I fucked up with that one. It will take a while until I forget her, years maybe.

Meanwhile I'm kind of a chad to other girls, I don't give a fuck about them mostly because I love this other girl that will never be with me.

[–]TunnelVision421 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i was #3. Girl left me, but i shouldve seen it coming since there were a lot of red flags i ignored. I basically let her use me and i fell in love with her and she left me. I blocker her off everything and deleted everything about her so i can move on and become a man. However, while i have been on the road of trying to become more alpha, i know im still beta inside because i cant stop thinking about her, How do I conquer this fellow rp'ers?

[–]Throwawayuser626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a woman and I agree with this, whole heartedly.

[–]obey_kush 0 points1 point  (1 child)

fuck im in a middle point between 1 and 2.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No middle point, stop hamstering. Either you are fucking her or you are not. If you are not fucking her then you are in Category 1.

[–]Throw6208 points points [recovered]

I'm 100% 1. Completely new to this subreddit. Can you explain exactly what you mean by 'sidebarring' and to initiate kino next time I see her?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the sidebar carefully, all of it, go to the gym. Next time you see the girl hold her hand, touch her on the arm shoulder or hair. If she does not hold you hand back or she acts freaked out it means she finds you repulsive and youhave no chance with her, move on.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (3 children)


MRP is this way ---->

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yes I am directing people to MRP, WMP will be shocked.

[–]jezapala 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is MRP and WMP. And yes I have looked at the sidebar

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

MRP is marriedredpill. WMP is a psychotic little dude with a small penis and high levels of verbal aggression. Most of his advice is fairly good though.

[–]Andreas1871 -1 points0 points  (10 children)

So what you mean is that it is best if both like each other equally? Wouldn't that contain all the information of your post in just that? Okham's razor, use it here, there are a lot of us and I am not mocking what you said, just sayin, concise gets the message across best. Peace bro

[–]Proto_Sigma 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That's a rare situation. One party is almost always more interested than the other. If, by some circumstance, they both are equally interested, both have equal power in the relationship. The less interested party has more control in any relationship, sexual or otherwise.

The point of the post is that you should be the less invested party. You can't enforce equal attraction, so make your self less pedalizing and more attractive, aka read the side bar and lift, so that she's invested more and you're invested less.

[–]Andreas1871 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Trying to pretend to be the less interested party doesn't work. What is the point? Temporary manipulation? I don't see how that would be satisfying in the long term.

[–]Proto_Sigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not supposed to pretend. You are supposed to actually change your outlook and lifestyle so that you actually become the less interested party.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No it would not contain all of the information in the post, otherwise "love each other equally" would be enshrined on the sidebar. Let me guess, you and your girl love each other equally?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

TL;DR He means polarity, genius. There's your conciseness.

"Equally" needs to be stricken from this sub's vernacular. No, it's more like you fulfill each other's needs like yin and yang. They're not equal - they're complimentary. This isn't math, you idiots. Oh, really? Concise gets the message across? Is that why I have to spell this out for you? Ok. Give and take. Peace bro

[–]UnKnownSurviving 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Men and women are not equal, just complimentary. The man is masculine, and women is feminine. And they attract each other.

Andreas needs to tread carefully, how he views "equality". Women in hardcore, feminist philosophy, say they want a "nice, intelligent, respectful" man, and eventually lock down a beta, because they "finally" found the one, after riding CC. But the next the day, the woman goes off the reservation once more, and cheats on this beta, because the other man, treats her like a child, takes no shit, is what attracted her in the first place, because she knows she's lower SMV, lower value, than he is, and she can't have him. And she won't even admit it. She'll resent "the one" she locked down, because she doesn't view him as equal. She view the "Alpha" as higher quality, and she knows she, herself is beneath him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Polarity is key to all things, not just relationships. I would point you if I had the power.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you, sir. I won't lie - polarity is such a painful lesson to learn.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apply your understanding of polarity to other issues in your life, it is an important concept that few people understand

[–]UnKnownSurviving 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please, please read the HandBook and Side Bar. Either, download it or print it off. I have it on Kindle, both the HandBook and Side Bar. You will need to avoid any future pain. The more knowledge you have, the less pain, you're able to endure.

[–]obfromsenatobie -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

OP definitely gets pegged by his lady's strap on while he calls her mommy on the reg.