Feminist leaves Google to start a more "diverse" startup, and reality smacks her in the face

UrsusG · 2017-11-16T17:29:57+00:00

A few years back there was a similar story of a business woman who started some sort of female-only company and it failed too, but not because it lacked sufficiently qualified women candidates (it wasn't a very high tech business IIRC) but because of infighting, backstabbing and not enough focus on the actual business.

So, same story but with a slightly different twist.

Daddie0 · 2017-11-16T17:40:23+00:00

I said it before and I'll say it again...

Over the years in my career I have heard from numerous women that they would rather work with all men than work with other women. The main reason was always because women cause too much drama, takes away for focus and energy of the task(s) at hand.

UEMcGill · 2017-11-16T19:14:20+00:00

Why the fuck aren't feminists complaining that there are more men who work in construction? Where are all the women in the trades? Sure as shit, the trades are a much better path to high pay than a humanities degree or being a 1st grade teacher. If you don't think a skilled tradesmen makes a nice chunk of change call a guy to come run a 400 amp service for you or have your main sewer line clog at 3 in the morning.

No feminists are clamoring for women to get into high risk fields like iron work or mine engineering. They aren't clamoring for women to be roughnecks. Oh well that's different they say.

Fundamentally men and women are different. Men and women take different risks, it's in our nature. That's ok, and the sooner everyone accepts it, the sooner we'll get better. Even in the most "Gender Equal" countries in the world they still haven't social engineered better salaries and more women CEO's.

In economics there's a saying, "Everything else being equal..." In the case of gender in countries like Sweden even when everyone has equal access to opportunity (Everything else being equal) gender differences still present, so maybe it's in the genders not the opportunity.

RedPilledGodEmperor · 2017-11-16T18:48:41+00:00

I applaud her for writing this article and for speaking honestly about the topic. As she says - forced diversity is fucking it up for the few talented women who do code well.

It's sad that you can be publicly shamed for stating the obvious: women usually aren't naturally all-that interested in coding. This is why her female employees lacked energy and drive; they simply probably weren't excited about coding.

Thotwrecker · 2017-11-16T17:51:40+00:00

There is a reason every successful startup is that has the escape velocity to avoid the typical first year problems that ruin 90% of startups is predominately male. Both male-led and powered by male coders.

You have to be three things - able to embrace risk and lack of security, able to work hard and late without receiving top dollar comp, and you have to be able to manage yourself and your relationship with others without there being a hardset rule structure or social schema in place.

All three of these are very hard for most women. If you pay top market dollar for an engineer as a non-unicorn startup, you are either a fucking moron of a CEO or you are very confident that employee is integral and a superstar, with a culture fit on the above 3.

Women can be great engineers. It's rarer, but they can be. But they very, very, VERY rarely are capable of being great AUTONOMOUS engineers. They need an engineering manager to manage them and use a kanban based shit system to tell them what and where and how to get things done. They do fine at an overmanaged place like Google. They start to immediately spin other company plates and try to get out when they find themselves in a situation where their job is essentially "get the MVP built, you have 2 months and pretty big freedom on how you do it."

[deleted] · 2017-11-16T18:04:59+00:00

this is a great example of feminist ideology being more detrimental to women's well being then conducive to their personal growth and success in this world.

hottake_toothache · 2017-11-16T18:38:31+00:00

Somebody should do the same thing and start a male-centric company, to see how that experiment goes. Oh, wait, they would be sued to oblivion.

Metalgear222 · 2017-11-16T19:30:23+00:00

"lacked the energy to put us into overdrive"

Read: didn't carry their own weight.

Neutral_User_Name · 2017-11-16T20:01:35+00:00

Business owner here. Hiring a flock of freelancers year-round. "Manpower" in our industry is 70% female. Sigh. Context: we pay top dollars, I do not know of a lot of companies charging a higher rate than ours...

Here are my observations from the field:
- Only freelancers who won't reply back to a job request: women
- Only freelancers who are "too busy": women
- Only freelancers who post up their availability schedule on our board: women
- Only freelancers who offer insane deadlines: women (ex.: 6, 8 or 10 day leadtime for a 6 hour job)

Conversely, my guys always answer, are on 24/7 on instant messaging, always agree to our offers, will work 12 hours straight overnight if need be. That's what carrying your own weight means.

8BitsIsEnoughForMe · 2017-11-16T19:05:53+00:00

What is the deal of the SJWs forcing the tech industry not to hire qualified software engineers for software development and the industry going along with it

Just imagine if we applied the same logic to the medical industry. “All of our candidates are doctors. I think we need more diversity and start hiring surgeons who are more ‘cross functional’. Sure they didn’t go to med school and lack medical experience, but it’s ok, they can just pick up this stuff from online tutorials in a couple weeks.”

Nobody would buy that in the medical field, why is this becoming the norm in tech?

halfback910 · 2017-11-16T17:59:11+00:00

I love when the free market punishes people I hate. This must be what a priest would feel like if he saw lightning randomly strike someone he didn't like or some shit like that.

It's a sort of "Yes! I knew I was right to believe in you! Thank you, O Glorious Capitalism, for smiting mine enemies with your wrath!" feeling.

waspmaker · 2017-11-16T20:51:55+00:00

Real life example: The past company I worked, was a startup that grew into a mid-sized company. When your a start up nobody gives a fuck about diversity, only those people who know their shit survive. But as soon we became a mid-sized company that rang the bell in NASDAQ, things got pretty anal about diversity.

People started getting promoted not cause of credibility but cause they had aesthetically pleasing sex organs. I will speak about the team I worked for, which was tech-support. It had a director and a senior manager. The senior manager, built the team from ground up. Hired 90% of the people on the team. The director quit as soon as the stocks paid out. Then it would make sense to promote the guy who built the team right? Nope they promoted another manager from another team (not even a senior manager). The dude, quit cause that was a big fuck you to his efforts.

What were her qualifications? * Woman? (check) * participated in beauty pageants? (check, check, check) * Worked in hip places like New York, SF in fortune 500 companies? (check)

She should be good right?

NOPE * No common sense or lacked understanding of team mission. * Let emotions get the best of her, always thought people were trying to backstab her! probably cause she was always thinking about doing that to others. * Tried to manipulate people on the team with girl charm (which fucking fell flat, most of the people on the team were self confident/aware pricks, who knew the high school cheerleader politicking she was doing) * In 4 months 80% of the team who were fucking top notch rockstars left.

Despite all of this, they did not fire her! they let her hire people. Which again went bad! cause the people she hired were street smart and gave no fucks about the work. They came in got a cut of the stocks. When it paid out! left again.

Eventually she quit to take up another role in "hip" mid-sized company. Now she gives talks on woman empowerment, quoting what an misogynistic asshole her ex-boyfriend was, her journey so far in the industry, how relentless woman need to be in life. How lucky she is to find the love of her life, who empowers her by washing dishes at home.

FUCK this world! where reason gets fucked by political correctness.

monkey_typist · 2017-11-16T19:58:31+00:00

It's not even about gender, it's about the supply. If there are 800 male engineers and 200 female engineers looking for jobs, then it makes sense to have an 80-20 hiring ratio. It's just math. When you artificially skew it so that it's 50-50, then you have to give up something to reach that goal.

This is equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. Equality of opportunity is equality. Equality of outcome is privilege. Privilege doesn't work well in result-oriented scenarios.

m4rkm4n · 2017-11-16T19:12:19+00:00

Google already is the most feminazi and PC infested workplace there is. I can't understand why she left.

Xhaka-Laca · 2017-11-16T20:30:27+00:00

Thanks for posting this example. I work in the IT industry and at my previous job I worked in an office with mostly women. It was hell... creating drama, gossip, and backstabbing. I now work in a predominantly male office and its so much better. Actual work gets done. Avoid working with women.

Nergaal · 2017-11-16T18:39:00+00:00

She didn't learn anything. She is doubling down on her sexist approach. Find betas that listen to us and train them to put extra energy into treating women extra-special.

Nomfwic · 2017-11-16T18:24:29+00:00

The only thing that will get done if you put a bunch of women into an office is.... Wait for it.... Nothing!! Most of the time they are to selfish to focus on the company and focus on their own initiative instead.

PantsonFire1234 · 2017-11-16T23:25:12+00:00

Im getting really tired off this weirdo world shit. When I was a kid my stepfamily (and some of my own) most favorite jab toward me was calling me an autist. Because I was a teenage kid without a father and a borderline mum. Which is equal to living on yourself in the woods while trying to fight off a rabbid hyena everyday. You have to figure everything out yourself. Now many years older and wiser and having figured said shit out I am left boggled. For all I see is autist.

I wish I was kidding. But the level of social aptitude, cognitive function, self awareness, and problem solving found in your average lefty and/or normie is disheartening. These people never developed beyond the age of eighteen. They never had to, they were pampered and everything was done for them. The exact opposite of what I went through. Thank god for that, looking back it's what saved me.

I don't even understand why a woman like this is having all these company aspirations and dreams. Women just like men, do everything they do, in the name of attracting the opposite sex. And hearing about her job experience made my dick go flacid. The entire thing reads like feminist fanfiction and it leaves me with nothing but disgust. I haven't seen this womans picture but I'm imagining an overweight hindu (she calls it curvy) with pigmentation spots, a manjaw and hair that hasn't been brushed for weeks out of 'protest' for female oppression. How do people endure these cartoon characters? How I ask you?!

kez88 · 2017-11-16T23:41:25+00:00

This article more-so highlights how even though she can clearly see how come there are more men than women in tech, she still can't help but feel it's up to men to fix the problem and that we NEED to get more women into tech. Even thought they generally aren't as interested in it.

Women just can't help but feel that what is good for a few women is good for society as a whole.

I think she does draw a very good conclusion in the middle of the article for why some people hate women in tech, because they hire shitty women to fill a quota, who then perpetuate a bad cycle.

The wrong conclusion to draw though is that we need to double down on helping women get interested in tech, rather than just acknowledging that not as many women want to be in tech

vwzwv · 2017-11-16T18:33:57+00:00

Told by a female never before have I seen a story like this that wasn't white washed.

tboyacending · 2017-11-16T23:31:08+00:00

Alright she learned a lesson and she was big enough to tell the world about it. That's an admirable trait. Stop the hate.

Inexperiencedblaster · 2017-11-16T23:42:30+00:00

Working in a Japanese company that is mostly women. Can’t say this is a thing here. I think the work culture overpowers the gender role. Interesting stuff.

chambertlo · 2017-11-17T00:05:05+00:00

Men are better at damn near everything. Shocking.

[deleted] · 2017-11-16T21:28:00+00:00

This is the precise problem I have with affirmative action and diversity quotas. It is fueled completely by identity politics and not merit. I recall Australia was getting a lot of shit for their merit-based immigration policies because it brought in a majority white Europeans. Feminists and the left don't care about merit. If you are a white male your application for anything should be put at the bottom of the pile in their eyes.

[deleted] · 2017-11-16T21:19:45+00:00

The argument will change now explaining that men dominate the candidate pool for sexist reasons when the reality is that women by and large have no interest in STEM careers. They aren't entrepreneurs. They don't take risks. They couldn't have tolerated the years of unpaid hell and rejection that finally saw me put a medical device through the FDA. They simply don't have it in them.

F_Dingo · 2017-11-16T22:58:05+00:00

She tried to discriminate via "diversity" and failed spectacularly. She deserved it.

FujitsuOffer · 2017-11-16T21:06:57+00:00

This is fucking classic. I love it when liberals get a taste of the real world.

[deleted] · 2017-11-16T23:05:17+00:00

Great. Now sue her for the sexist discrimination in hiring and wages she admitted to or she'll learn absolutely nothing.

MaxWyght · 2017-11-16T21:38:20+00:00

Remember how that one Google employee got fired and black balled for writing this exact same thing?

Fuck liberals.

Myc0n1k · 2017-11-17T00:32:06+00:00

Sounds pretty fucking sexist but what else can you expect from a feminist.

[deleted] · 2017-11-16T20:48:10+00:00

Wtf is your source on this some uncited manosphere blog? The language in it reeks of redpill and is not credible.

Munzz · 2017-11-16T23:34:08+00:00

The problem isn't that google doesn't hire women on purpose. The problem is deeper and that is how women are told they can't be good at engineering, computer science and other technical fields.. those fields are filled with male students and so after they graduate there are less women in the pool to hire from.. you can't fix a deep problem like that by an easy naive fix.. it needs generations of education and change of perception.