Don't let TRP consume you.

Thotwrecker · 2017-11-28T07:15:07+00:00

There is an old school saying "The map is not the territory" that needs to be drilled into everyone's head here from time to time. The idea is that a theory or a system of beliefs or some manmade construct that represents the universe... is just a map of the actual thing itself. SMV and SMP (sexual market value, sexual market place) are ways of understanding an economy and our role in it; there is no real such thing as an SMV. It is a map of the thing itself, a vehicle we can use to understand why a broke musician might get laid more than a dentist. Likewise all of TRP is our attempt to understand an expansive reality, a reality that does frustrate and confuse us, even when we delude ourselves into thinking we have "mastered it".

Now, there is more value initially to studying a map than studying reality. If I tell you to understand how China works culturally and geographically and economically, you start with a map, that does more than actually observing and visiting cities. After you have a understanding and theoretical knowledge of what is where, and what cities align with what customs and what languages, what industries and sectors centralize in what areas, etc, then what? You need to go see the reality and study it with your own eyes. Refering back to the map to help make sense of what you are seeing from time to time, but by and large, your own mind and your own eyes have to take in the real world in front of you.

Understanding this point of inflection is the key to TRP, and why I sometimes go months without posting. There is a lot of utility in maps, but there is diminishing returns; I respect many guys on here but why would I trust an aspiring creative writer's version of reality over what I can see with my own eyes? If I want to know what it takes to fuck 9s or how dating works as a minority, I'll go find out myself. I know what the map says, but the map is not reality; I know what TRP thinks about X, but that's not reality, that's our collective best estimation of reality.

A lot of people are like "Face Reality - accept that all women are cheating whores." And sure, that's valuable, it is sound advice for a full BP guy to internalize. But I would say facing reality means acknowledging there is a world in front of you that you can learn from, and you can observe how women behave for your fucking self. My version of that TRP axiom (AWALT) is that women are as good as they have to be, and they don't have to be very good most of the time to get by. We all lie, cheat, and steal if the prize is tastier than what we are currently eating, and women aren't raised to value willpower and self-discipline. She's not a cheating whore, she's a child and you're an idiot if you thought she wouldn't get into the jar of candy when you are... a stalk of celery. Anyway, you see how I have my own version and interpretation of a common TRP trope. This is what happens when you actually observe and learn from going out a lot and interaction with a metric fuckton of city girls. You actually formulate your own red pill.

This is what it means to me to not be consumed by the red pill. You know, after like 3 months of reading here, what all the theory is. You have a map, but if you don't actually know anything at all, you're ignorant of reality, you just know how to regurgitate like a geo bee kid who can say "AHA! THE CAPITAL OF CHINA is BEIJING AND HERE ARE THE TOP 5 FACTS ABOUT BEIJING". Buy a fucking plane ticket and go see it, and if you really need it, sure, pull out your map from time to time.

SirKolbath · 2017-11-28T02:31:46+00:00

I will die at 80, I might die sooner, my body will start degrading after 30 unless I actively do something about it.

This sounds strange but I usually think of death before cold approaching. I'm going to be dead & rotting in 80 years why wouldn't I approach this girl.

banjew · 2017-11-28T06:01:20+00:00

Yep. I spend too much time here. After the beta-me had an encounter with a BPD girlfriend that almost kills me, I found being here and reading this stuff lessen the pain a lot. It's like some kind of treatment, so I used to be here all the time.

After a year, you keep reading the same stuff again and again but it's cool anyway.

Luiser27 · 2017-11-28T03:54:03+00:00

It’s very easy to let TRP consume you after a bad experience with a woman, and turn jaded and very pessimistic about women.

It takes a man to understand, accept, and continue on with the new information without letting the negativity get to you. Accept things for what they are, enjoy women for what they are and can provide you, and stay on your toes. Life’s funner that way

Arabian_Wolf · 2017-11-28T08:04:32+00:00

Right now I’m reading “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle, it’s a must-read book for anyone stuck in Anger Phase and want to move on, it focuses on trying to be present in the moment instead of dwelling in the past or the future.

uwey · 2017-11-28T04:24:42+00:00

--Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.--

--Tomorrow is nothing, today is too late; the good lived yesterday.--

Marcus "Savage" fucking god dame Aurelius.

life2thefullest · 2017-11-28T12:36:13+00:00

Yes, I agree with all of this. Lately I've been noticing that I've been too involved with inter social dynamics and I've been following subs and indulging in the drama. Before I found "the red pill" subreddit, I started spinning plates, dating, lifting, the whole self-improvement package. It led me to finding my now current LTR that I've been with for now 9 months. Since I found TRP it made me more aware of game, and has helped me out so much; especially reading the Rational Male series. It was fun at first, but now that I know the core dynamics of TRP, the other parts of this subreddit can just bring me unnecessary drama. I've since unsubscribed from a variety of subreddits such as MGTOW, dating advice, relationships etc. There's no point for me to bring myself down with the fabricated plan to divide genders against each other. Sure there are plenty of skanks, CC riders, wall hitters, and down right vindictive nasty bitches. And thank goodness for that, because without them it would've been much harder to get wild sex while I was looking for a quality LTR. The point is, I don't want to focus on the negativity behind female nature day in and day out. Like the way of the superior man lays it out, enjoy the feminine energy and let it benefit you. You should know what you're getting into with an LTR and let it play it's course.

RedPilledRoaster · 2017-11-28T07:57:02+00:00

So true. Don’t let TRP make you a salty sperg CUNT.

Martysteiner · 2017-11-28T06:32:16+00:00

Let's say TRP is a meditation. We meditate everyday to enhance our lives, this is how we live it better.

You cannot imagine how much happiness and meaning TRP brought in our lives.

BreakingRed_ · 2017-11-28T08:50:52+00:00

Since I started hitting the gym which is the first advice that you get, the benefits slowly trickled in my life: I focus on building a skill to translate it to a career, I work on my social skills etc (I don't approach yet because I'm too shit physically to do and I stopped going to clubs a decade ago). Nowadays I visit TRP when I have the time.

And this came naturally. I didn't decided NOT to go to TRP, I decided to focus into working on myself. And while reading TRP and the sidebar is part of working on myself (and I'm not done with the sidebar yet) I feel slowly digestion is essential.

It's a pill for a reason: You need small manageable daily doses, not chunk the whole bottle in one go, there's so much new shit you cannot manage and you'll end up in the metaphorical equivalent of ER which is the depressive anger phase.

anabolic92 · 2017-11-28T11:48:51+00:00

Be the guy that just understand the perspective of a woman, which is showered with dicks on a daily basis and understand her behaviour. If pussy would be thrown on us the same way, we would behave identically (see 1950's, I guess? The turning point when women realized they can stop doing all the effort and the tides turned). Don't hate the game, learn to play the game and enjoy it while you are improving in playing it.

Spot on... and struggling with this. Fucked and fooled around with a girl from class and kind of struggled to see her go dates w/ other guys in the class or getting hit on.

A part of BP brain still takes into my way of thinking I guess, but fuck off I got what I wanted from her (sex) and time to move on onto the another one, abundance is so important as well.

babybelly · 2017-11-28T14:28:57+00:00

many MGTOW YT channels i came across seem to be really hung up on AWALT instead of actually GTOW.

Slifer94 · 2017-11-28T10:04:55+00:00

This cannot be stressed enough on this sub, very nice observation mate!

Another thing I would like to add is: use the TRP they way YOU want, not the way other users here do. Have your own goals, do not just blindly follow the ones that other successful guys here do!

Candence_To_Arms · 2017-11-28T11:50:03+00:00

Moderation. TRP is something that should be taken in steps, not all at once or in large quantities. You take in too much all at once and you might easily misinterpret all the helpful advice this sub provides. You could be stuck in the anger phase or develop a bitterness based on the hard truths that ultimately ruins you.

TRP is designed to be a lens to see through the smokescreen that's been blinding us since we were born. Absorb, analyze and come to terms with the reality of our world. And then let it go.

You're a fucking man. You are the ship in the storm that will not bend or break or lose its way because you are calm and collected.

DirtyNuke · 2017-11-28T14:48:46+00:00

I rely on the words of the Stoic philosopher Daniel Elfman: "You worry too much You make yourself sad You can't change fate, So don't feel so bad. Enjoy it while you can It's just like the weather. So quit complaining brother, No one lives forever"

MattyAnon · 2017-11-28T10:43:09+00:00

If pussy would be thrown on us the same way, we would behave identically

We would behave differently because men and women are different.

Nomfwic · 2017-11-28T06:07:13+00:00

All trp is is a guide to what life and reality really is. Its not a religion. Study it , implement it and enjoy life knowing you have the knowledge and skill set to better prepare youself for the shitstorm that is life.

empatheticapathetic · 2017-11-28T12:32:47+00:00

The people you're referring to are going to stick around here until they find a level of success they're happy with or give up, me included.

Shakydrummer · 2017-11-28T16:15:22+00:00

Yeah I think I've become more cynical seeing how everything really works. It's hard not to, but something I need to work on again. Best thing is to bring it inward and enjoy how this place gave you new motivation for life, which it immensely has

coin_pwr · 2017-11-28T17:32:39+00:00

With TRP, I often find myself trying to not make mistakes with women, etc. But making mistakes and being "beta" in the past was what lead me to be better. We need to go through discomfort and hardships to help us become our best when you have no choice but to. Understand TRP and use it to sharpen your edge, but don't let it consume you.

bumbuff · 2017-11-28T18:44:22+00:00

I see a lot of guy's suddenly turn in to PUA's after 'waking up'. It's hard to convince them TRP isn't inherently a guide to becoming a PUA, it's a result after a long time of hard work without resorting to scummy tactics.

Solipsistic_guy · 2017-11-28T03:03:43+00:00

I think TRP already covers emotional regulation. Meditation, stoicism are all lifestyle choices we make.

SILENTSAM69 · 2017-11-28T13:33:52+00:00

Once you really swallow TRP you don't need to check in constantly. It's nice to drop in and read a little, but while TRP can change your life, it isn't your life.

Go lead a successful life on your own terms. Remember what you learned here.

WiiWynn · 2017-11-28T19:06:43+00:00

Nearly all women I met in London were doing well for themselves. You can assert that it isn’t the norm, or you can choose to believe that women are just as capable and society allows them the ‘easy pass’ far too often, thus enabling subpar human beings. The exceptional ones build depth in themselves in spite of the easy pass. Just as men, you have your alphas and you have your betas.

I met the love of my life in London on a past trip. We had an amazing two weeks. In the end, she couldn’t do with my lifestyle and had to break it off for her own good. Though mournful, I am grateful for the experience. Better to have loved and lost...

When a women goes ballistic, you have to work thru it with her. Getting frustrated and quitting the conversation only leads to failure. Patience and persistence wins the day.

As far as ‘the truth’ goes, there is no such thing. Only perspectives. By first seeking to understand other perspectives, you allow your own to be challenged and will form a new, often better, view of things. The older I get, the less I know. That’s the paradox that is wisdom.

I’m spending time even bothering with this conversation because I use to think as you do. In the superiority of men. But a series of humbling life events, poly, and travel really opened my eyes. The hate and the cult of misogyny limited for me the fulfillment I wanted in life. You can be alpha and be respectful and understanding towards women for there is nothing more awesome than finding an equal(s) to share some time with.

pridebrah · 2017-11-28T23:36:40+00:00

I've found audio books from trp reading list to be a much better, more complete way to learn about personal development and trp principles. Trp is certainly chalked full of bitter men who only know how to direct their anger towards women and not inward and convert it into action.

Once the side bar has been read and internalized, books are a much better resource going forward than trp for the afc imo. They'll give you in depth knowledge to integrate into all areas of your life, not just smp navigation.

Pogodick8in69 · 2017-11-29T05:45:10+00:00

Trp is easy to swallow imo. What takes time is learning game, lifting, getting laid, improving etc. that’s the time consuming part and getting over heart break but swallowing the pill isn’t time consuming. You don’t have to be happy to accept it.

BELIEVEINGODJohn812 · 2017-11-30T18:58:02+00:00

look forward to the nicer things in life

What nicer things? Running out of water due to water shortages from WW3? Or perhaps never having legitimate children because women are 100% unmarriagable. What nicer things?

Like a cool and fast car? A designer brand of clothing? What nicer things OP? The nice life that ALL men have looked forward to for centuries was marriage, children and a decent retirement.

Not all of us want to rise in the corporate ladder, lick a few boots and be rich.

Who cares for riches if you don't have anyone to spend it with?

I'm talking about FAMILY, not women in particular. But women are needed to have family.

What retirement? What pension? Unless you're a millionaire, you're fucked.

Face reality OP, life sucks. I don't care how much you swallow a red pill, it still sucks. There is no sugar coating it: The Family Unit has been completely gutted and destroyed.

We simply all are coping in different ways. It has been shot to shit by Feminists, cultural marxists, SJWs and lefties. It is GONE by friend, GONE.

Civilized society is on the way out, we are on the decline at this very moment. And you want us to be HAPPY about it?

Instead of telling people to not be bitter, look into why they are bitter exactly. You might see people are fucking fed up with life for very specific and clear reasons

Rule #1198191919191: Women are the cause for 85% of the world's problems.

[deleted] · 2017-11-28T14:06:20+00:00

I don't know why anyone is mad. Even after learning TRP truth being mad isn't going to change anything. Men are men, women are women. Live your life and be happy

WeedDaddy · 2017-11-28T05:46:23+00:00

Don't fight reality... don't try to change it

What an utterly feminine way to lead a life. Even biographies of revolutionary leaders reveal that they still had time to womanize, educate and entertain themselves.

At least you could undermine, sabotage and subvert the "feminist world order" any small way you can. PussyPassDenied is a grassroots movement of everyday resistance.

If pussy would be thrown on us the same way, we would behave identically

One way guys could relate to that is considering how much food is thrown at you. Many here have been overweight, so maybe that makes them emotionally pliable to forgive such weakness to women. But yet many men don't give in to the "pleasure principle" and ruin their social environment in the process.

Not to mention that men and women are far from identical, including in moral theorizing, so thinking what you would do in a woman's shoes is just silly.