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It's easy to push people's buttons.

Post a hyperbolic rant about how someone's favorite sports team sucks, and you will easily be able to separate the people who watch sportsball for fun:

"Dude, the Podunk Penguins are a decent sportsball team, I happen to like sportsball, and they're fun to watch. What ARE you raving about?"

from the people who look to sportsball to provide them with a sense of identity:

"Fuck you, you limp-wristed fuck! The Penguins are WAY better at sportsball than you will ever be, loser! You're just jealous because THEY are successful sportsball players and YOU work in a mayonnaise factory! Eat shit and die!"

Separate them like this, and you know who is unplugged, and who isn't. Consider it as a sort of litmus test.

The process of unplugging from the "matrix" of someone else's ideas and plans for you can sometimes be interrupted by another type of blue pill. The sort that presents you with a nice matrix instead of a scary dystopian one.

It's easy to stop there.

There are, as one rather well unplugged reader put it, a great many young men here who are "temporarily on a strike, waiting for some authority figure (be it [Jordan Peterson], Ben Shapiro, Milo [Yiannopoulos], or some bigshot YouTube skeptic a-la Sargon of Akkad) to intellectually 'checkmate' the SJWs and the globalists into capitulation"

They are waiting for a messiah to save society.

And while these public figures certainly make us all smile when they take the radical left down a peg, that isn't what we built TRP for. That socket in your head, the one labeled "insert messiah here", or "insert plans here"... that's what made you vulnerable to the Disney Blue Pill, or the Chivalry Blue Pill, or the Feminist Blue Pill in the first place. Someone exploited your desire for a ready-made set of instructions for life. Your dream of a society where everything was mapped out, and you didn't have to wander in the wilderness on your own, looking for what suited you in life.

Unplugging is hard, because it means you are alone.

But when you have sockets in your head for people to plug you into something, whether it be Social Justice, or the Right Wing Save Society Movement, then you are forever at the mercy of any sufficiently persuasive person with an agenda that isn't yours.

TRP was created to weld that socket shut, so that any advice that entered your head had to do so through a more filtered orifice. When you put food in your mouth, you don't just swallow it. You chew first.

There was always the danger that he who seeks to unplug people from messiahs becomes regarded as one himself, whether we wanted to be or not. Sometimes, you point at things, and people just stare at your finger. That is inherent in the process, because unplugging can be hinted at, but never given as a list of instructions.

How could it? The whole idea is about not following lists of instructions. Feminist bullshit, Disney movies, sperg-like lists of " how to be AlphaTM ", and tradcon plans to save society by recruiting you with the promise of one free UnicornTM (Caution: do not subject horn to strong lateral pressure as glue may fail) ... these are all blue pills.

The red pill is you. You regarding every thing you see as raw data to be analyzed. Every article or video or column of advice as a hypothesis to consider and weigh. Every strategic technique as a suggestion to test and see if it works for you.

And if some manipulative jerk can make you rage by telling you your favorite sportsball team sucks, then check your brain for someone else's fingerprints.

[–]redblueninja 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Sometimes, you point at things, and people just stare at your finger.

Glad someone thinks that's not normal. Eloquently put.

[–]Tingly_Fingers29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's very similar to an old Buddhist saying: I can point to the moon but I cannot make you see it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seriously, if that's not like 3/4 of the people I work with....

Anyway yes. Excellent use of metaphor.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"The wise man points to the moon.

The imbecile examines the finger"

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana109 points110 points  (19 children) | Copy

Once you've discovered an area of your life where you've been fed bullshit in order to serve the agenda of others, the logical next step is to question all areas of your life to see if you're being similarly bullshitted and used. You may be surprised to find out the bullshit and manipulation flows freely almost everywhere.

Becoming a follower/fan or something or someone is the best way to be used and manipulated in this manner.

  • For sports teams, it is putting your eyeballs on advertising and selling you merchandise
  • For Hollywood, again, putting your eyeballs on advertising and selling you movie tickets
  • For gurus and pundits, it's all about building that follower base and selling to it
  • For employers, it is all about getting your loyal labor as cheaply as possible
  • For religion, it is about the tithes and offerings
  • For government, it is making you a good and unquestioning taxpayer/soldier and stock for the next generation of taxpayers/soldiers. "Ask not what your country can do for you..." etc etc.

...but don't take my word for it. If you question everything and become a relentless realist, you'll have truly unplugged.

[–]Rian_Stone27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then you can tell if you're getting yours as well.

Social interaction is about trading value. Trading, not giving it away

[–]U-948 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are not separate bullet points. It's all the same narrative. Go ahead and take the Red Pill on what's been really happening on this planet since WW2. There's an argument to made that letting people live out their dumb lives with this theater of absurdity is actually the KINDER option.

[–]Arabian_Wolf4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

What about the other way around, as in becoming a bullshit producer for-profit?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy

"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion." - L. Ron Hubbard

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Man was a genius. PT Barnum reincarnate.

Battlefield Earth is a saga (over 1000) pages - every scifi fan should read. P.S. the derivative shit movies are garbage. Don't let that dissuade you about the book.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Battlefield Earth was excellent. 100% page-turner pulp. I couldn't put it down.

One day I want to see the movie because I hear it is in the so-bad-that-it-is-good category. My favorite review of the movie adaptation was from Gene Siskel:

"Battlefield Earth" was written in 1980 by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. The film contains no evidence of Scientology or any other system of thought; it is shapeless and senseless, without a compelling plot or characters we care for in the slightest. The director, Roger Christian, has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras, but he has not learned why.

[–]Rian_Stone4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

On a scale from star wars comics to Dune, how good we talking here?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not as cerebral as Heinlein, but equivalent storytelling.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTaipanshimshon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

kind of how I feel about Starship Troopers.


Glory Road.

[–]rocknrollchuck2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read that book when I was 12. Couldn't put it down.

[–]Arabian_Wolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, all I could think of after reading this is Apple fanboys.

Gotta complete reading 48LoP and about good marketing and how-to-brand quality books.

[–]truedemocracy35 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

That is the goal. I am on social media as much as any teen girl. I am on instagram and twitter all the time. Am I publishing pictures of my breakfast to get likes from friends? fuck no.

I am trying to grow the following base of multiple business lines I have set up through customer engagement, sharing promotions, etc. I dont even have a Snapchat, twitter, or instagram for myself despite having about a dozen accounts on these platforms. Make the bullshit work for you.

[–]Arabian_Wolf1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s the plan once I have the capital and find a “problem/need” in the market.

[–]truedemocracy36 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am definitely not the entrepreneur expert that this sub has access to - but I have had projects with varying degrees of success.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to start something with little capital, and by start I mean verify there is an actual demand for your idea in the market. I test multiple ideas at a time (usually can only balance 2-3) and have learned to test them QUICKLY & CHEAPLY. The thing about being an entrepreneur is you have to embrace failure for what it is, and also be willing to change what you're working on. I've had ideas that I spent a ton of effort up front on only to realize there wasnt much demand for it, but with a few tweaks it was able to have some regional success.

Also, dont be scared if your idea already exists in the market. So many people will think of something, google it, sees it exists, and quit. THIS IS A GOOD THING - it means the idea is validated and there is an actual demand for it. Now find a way to improve it in some way.

Again, I am no master of this stuff but have learned a few basics since starting out years ago. The best thing to do is take an idea and (cheaply) run with it instead of sitting on it and toying with it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

We should turn this into a religion. No joke.

[–]Ozito881 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It goes against the principle of not following anyone

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

It also goes against the principles of irony and humor.

[–]Ozito888 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmm didn't see my assburger there

[–]SKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And in one generation, a bunch of betas will take over and ask you to believe in it. Yeah right...

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy

Such is the inherent problem with trying to train leaders. In order to learn to become a leader they must follow. However their leader can't tell them to stop following in this environment. Some get stuck following forever.

[–]ComradeDurdenTRP19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

Some get stuck following forever.

I wonder if these people ever wanted to be anything more than that, tho...

I understand people's desire to have a mentor figure in their lives, I really do. It's like the apprenticeship model of yore. Say you want to become a blacksmith or a mason, so you seek out a veritable master of the craft who will take you under his wing and teach you everything he knows for the next seven years. The student gets access to invaluable skills and knowledge, the master gets a protege to whom he can pass his wisdom. Quid pro pro.

Problem is, sooner or later, the apprentice needs to pass whatever final exam there is, thank the master for his tutelage, and begin his own journey in life.

Jordan B. Peterson is an intelligent man and I have derived benefit from watching some of his lecture. But the same applies to Rollo Tomassi and his books, or the majority of the EC's and their posts here on TRP. Absorb the useful knowledge, thank the master, and get to work becoming the best version of yourself

Instead, what we have now is a single pedagogue a-la JBP mentoring hundreds of thousands of acolytes, the majority of whom never truly graduate past the apprenticeship phase. Instead, they stick around for years, following every single Twitter post, watching every single lecture, buying every single book... you get the picture.

Can something be done about this? Doubt it. The pareto principle dictates that, at best, only 20% will excel and benefit from someone's teachings while the other 80% will simply remain mindless fanboys who live vicariously through their mentor figure. Just like it doesn't make sense to go to college to learn about entrepreneurship when you can just start working on your business, it's also pointless to spend thousands of hours on motivational videos hoping it's gonna galvanize you into taking action.

Get off your ass, clean your roo... I jest. But you get the point. Watch a couple of useful videos, read a couple of valuable books. And then start implementing the lessons you've learned. Otherwise you'll forever remain an apprentice

[–]le_wolfe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

People just want somebody to tell them to do what they already know they should be doing.

Fight Club was all about this. Tyler Durden preached nihilism to unplug people but his space monkeys missed the whole fucking point and went crazy.

No matter what you say, people will always find something to follow.

Following a cult gives their boring lives a meaning.

It makes them feel like they're special snowflakes, sent on Earth with a great purpose. Like one man can make a difference bullshit and whatnot.

That said, we know everyone can't be unplugged.

People don't want to be saved. Well, most of them anyway.

Always remember the 80/20 principle.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG[🍰] 46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy

Graceful visuals all up in this bitch.

[–]Nocryingok30 points31 points  (16 children) | Copy

On the other hand, it's very hard to be redpilled and alone. I guess that's the charm of creating a cult or "teaching" people. I try to subtly influence my friends towards them having stronger frames and habits, but meanwhile I feel alone in my quests.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor77 points78 points  (15 children) | Copy

hard to be redpilled and alone.

Sorry, still sick as fuck so going to get lazy here and paste my monologue from another thread: "I firmly believe everyman needs to be able to be alone or he's fucked. It really comes down to this--the most powerful weapon women wield against men is their own comfort. Unless you are able to pack a bag and disappear into the forest for a couple weeks (minimum), there will always be a lever on you they can pull. If you can leave it all behind, there isn't nothing they can do."

Yes, it is hard.

[–]1SirKolbath86 points87 points  (8 children) | Copy

Get better quick, max.

If I may amplify:

One of the most important things I realized when I found the Red Pill was that I wasn't by myself. There were other men out there who realized that the way they were ridiculed and shit on by feminized society was wrong and they wanted to improve themselves enough to take control of their own destiny.

As Red Pills, we are alone together. Each of us is an island, but every island is just the tip of a mountain sticking up out of the sea, and all those mountains are joined somewhere at the bottom of the tectonic plate. Plus, there's, like, lava and shit. I don't know. My metaphor ran out about halfway.

Point is, yes. We need to be okay being solitary, but that doesn't really mean we're completely alone.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

Finally, someone that gets it. Upvote.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm OK being solitary but it would be nice to talk IRL with other guys who are unplugging. I tried broaching a TRP "truth" once or twice with friends and they didn't take it well. I don't dare discuss any of this with strangers so I really have no one with whom to discuss everything I've been reading.

Do people ever attempt TRP meetups? Do you think that would be worthwhile or would it just be Project Mayhem?

[–]untonyto6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's the very real risk of the thing turning into an unproductive circlejerk of fanboys constantly spouting the lingo. Unmediated realities are brutal and unforgiving but finding them out in solitude is the adventurer's reward. Like they say, "Game recognize Game," out in the field you will meet a few equals and you will just know. Meetups are great but wannabes looking for shortcuts tend to be many.

[–]1OneRedYear3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You just need real men friends to shoot the shit with. You don't have to use the lingo and be all TRP when everyone around you knows bitches ain't shit. My friends in their late 30s and 40s who know how women are will talk about it every now and then. It doesn't dominate the conversation, but its all TRP talk just from real people. It's always one guy in the group who waves the bluepill flag and everyone gives him shit for it. He's usually the one in a great relationship with a good looking girl who falls to pieces when it all goes south. He will usually tell the rest of us we are bitter and jaded and cyniacal and just haven't met the right woman. And then he's the one wanting to kill himself or in a dark depression until the next perfect girl comes along.

This has been the way of men since all of my friends have started being interested in girls. The names change but the roles are the same.

[–]DudeWtfusayin9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I want our bottoms to touch. Is that feminized?

[–]wexster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

wow, with all seriousness, that was beautiful, well said

[–]Captain_Sorbo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's okay to be alone but whatever you do don't let it make you feel lonely it will only ever make you feel more alone.

[–]redblueninja0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think the metaphor you're looking for is the ocean and waves. Old buddhist concept popularised by Thich nhat Hanh. In buddhism, it is taught to understand why empathy is important and to give an existential meaning to life. Basically, each of us are waves, we start somewhere and we end somewhere. If we only think about ourselves, we'll live lives full of fear. But if we keep the bigger picture of the ocean in our mind, we know all these waves are the same damn ocean. Food for thought!

[–]bl_12 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Do not show the red pill to people totally wrapped up in their blue-pill Neverland. They don't want it and they will lash out in anger 90% of the time.

They have to want it. And a lot of the time it takes absolute rock bottom to start wanting it.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correct. And you can't even give them the pill, they have to take it. It is a very solitary moment. Alone.

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you think it's hard, then it will be.

[–]Nocryingok4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm talking about friends, not women. I don't think it's healthy to be isolated in the world.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's about capability, not demonstration. And yet you still need to demonstrate it.

And I assumed your friends weren't women.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Solitude is the strength of men and the death of women.

Once you fully understand that, you can see why society has simultaneously chained boys to society while isolating them from men.

[–]indican_king0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Can you explain that second part to me?

[–]ThrowFader8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want to see women freak the fuck out, just stop and walk away. Not from a conversation or a room, from everything. No declarations of intent, no follow up, no conversations, no checking up--a complete denial that what ever it is even exists. Social inclusion is to women what sex is to men.

I don't know of a single man I've ever respected who did not go through an extended period of "isolation" be it mental or physical and come out stronger because of that. In fact, that usually becomes the source of their strength. Boys have been wholly cut off from that example even (notice the wholesale destruction of all male institutions and the widespread expulsion of fathers from homes) even while they are conditioned with emotional guilt trips and mind fucks saying that the only way to be a man is to undertake your eternal burdens of obligation to society.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

what a great way to check if someone is a mindless drone.

Remove and limit outside influence on your own life. (Unplug from others.)

Create a visual of your own desired out comes of life, not what someone told you is good, but what you like (develop frame)

impart your will onto the world (make others plug into you)

Make fun of your normie friends sportsball team for the lulz (test the connection of others to see how plugged in they are)

[–]SelfTaughtPiano2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That process of unplugging is very succintly put

[–]truedemocracy31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Careful. When you present yourself better it is a mirror on peoples own sorry lives that they will look into and get angry at. It's why losing friends is very commonly said here.

I've gone through many friend groups. 'Friends' that would relentlessly give you shit for dressing better or exercising regularly. Do nothing losers that when you want to embark on something truly amazing they would rather sit on their ass. And if you say comments like 'I dont really watch sports' they will hear that as 'I am better than you', and if you truly are better than them they will get angry.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil58 points59 points  (19 children) | Copy

Oh boy Wisper, I'm so glad that you were just jostling my balls. Cuz I thought there for a second that you didn't like Jordan Peterson and that made me angry. When Daddy Peterson is attacked, Alpha Lobsters pinch!

You see Jordan Peterson is a good guy cuz he changed my life by telling me to clean my room. He also told me to slay the dragon and I think that slaying dragons is alpha.

Anyway bro I'm really happy I saw this post cuz I really like his videos and you weren't allowing me to watch them anymore. But since that was like a joke or test or whatever like we're good now.

Anyway I really like how Jordan Peterson is selling me Gnostic Jungian Mysticism, under the guise of psychology. I'm so spirituality dead and ln need of identity I'll ride the dick of any religious system, as long as it's done in a socialy acceptable way. Cool.

Anyway bro I'm off to Peterson's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. I have shadows to confront, Swords to pull out, Sacred Pools to bath in, Apples of knowledge to eat and Androgynous Horned Demons to chill with.

Unplugged Red Pill alpha signing out!

[–]RPBulletDodger7 points8 points  (15 children) | Copy

Fuck all that common sense.

But did you actually "Clean your Room" faggot?

Cuz cleaning that motherfucking room is Alpha and shit.

Jordan Peterson said so.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil19 points20 points  (14 children) | Copy

King Arthur pulling the sword out of the stone, well that's a very frightening idea you see. And you bloody well better be careful. That sword can bloody well be anything perhaps a broom in the hands of a YouTube obsessed neckbeard.

The broom sword represents change and obviously that's no joke! Change is what you need to sort yourself out bucko! But when you wield the broom sword you gunna wanna explore the underworld under your bed and that can mean encountering monsters or more specifically a colony of mice living off discarded cheasy poofs.

[–]RPBulletDodger-2 points-1 points  (13 children) | Copy

Change is what you need to sort yourself out bucko!

And there it is.

If only Jordo Pedo could put it that eloquently.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy

Allright I'm gunna reveal my hand a little bit here. Jordan Peterson's lobster molting it's shell allegory is a complete plagarism of the philosophy of the Cancer Crab astrological sign.

The Crab grows by shedding it's hard shell and making itself vulnerable. If the crab doesn't molt it stays small. In the Mystic Tarrot card tradition cancer is represented by the Chariot Notice the Crab on the helmet and Suit of Armor Shell depicted on the card.

Anyway the Cancer Chariot gains glory by taking risks and is useless and stagnant like the unmolting crab when it doesn't.

Long story short that Peterson Lobster lesson everyone loves comes from the European Occult tradition and had nothing to do with conventional peer reviewed science or medicine. So I guess if your into that sorta thing you should get it directly.

I wonder how Peterson cited Horoscopes and Tarrot cards on his clinical research...

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy

Long story short that Peterson Lobster lesson everyone loves comes from the European Occult tradition and had nothing to do with conventional peer reviewed science or medicine.

Neither does clinical psychology.

It derives not from any sort of medical research or understanding of the structure of the brain (gross or fine), but from a tradition of bullshit approximations about the human mind which originated in Sigmund Freud's tiresome obsession with the human anus, and bounced randomly through the writings of a bunch of pseudo-philosophers, all serving the purpose of allowing overeducated losers who would otherwise be unemployable to charge neurotics two hundred dollars an hour to listen to their whining.

It derives almost nothing from research psychology, which is a research science that knows a whole lot about how we remember strings of nonsense words and nothing about how we remember the birth of our first child or how to drive a car.

It's the societal equivalent of what you would get if homeopaths, dowsers, and tarot card readers were held in high esteem... and if you watch them for long enough, you can understand how ancient societies respected astrologers and haruspexes despite their total inability to get anything right.

So Jordan Peterson isn't a special sort of fruit loop who believes in stupid stuff... he's an ordinary sort of fruit loop who believes in stupid stuff, because they are all like that.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

The only psychology that's real is what the government and corporations use to control you and convince you to buy things. The biggest reason it works is precisely because the mainstream thinks it doesn't even if you told them. If the mainstream believes in the psychology, it's bullshit. Astrological signs. Homeopathy. Spirituality doesn't equal religious!!1! Anything vague and feels good and is repeated by Dr. Oz., Oprah, or some other motivational speaker for plebs and post wall women.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Real research is almost always connected to something that someone expects to earn money off of, because research costs money.

So obviously there is a great deal of research into what makes people buy things, and almost none into how to cure neurotics, because when you cure neurotics, they stop paying you.

Clinical psychology's basic business model requires that it seem like it would work, but that it actually not work very well at all. Which is precisely what you find if you look at its degree of social acceptance vs its actual cure rate.

Free markets are by definition the best way of accomplishing any incentivized goal, but tying financial incentives to intangible goals is a human responsibility, not an automatic result of a free market.

This is why your pet gets better and cheaper health care than you do.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Big pharma will never allow cures for big illnesses. Treatments are where the money is at. It's the same reason why assisted suicide is illegal. Dead people can't be treated.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This all reminds me of what's going on with IBM Watson -- I had the recent pleasure of meeting one of the guys actively involved in developing the thing, and he told me that Watson's been able to consistently out-perform human doctors for a while already. Despite this, the federal government won't allow the researchers to replace human doctors; the best they are allowed to do right now is have doctors consult Watson, subject to human override.

The issue here is that humans are notoriously biased by emotion. If a human doctor can ignore Watson's diagnosis at any time, without justification, well, the whole thing becomes pointless.

Makes you wonder what the real priorities are here.

[–]SelfTaughtPiano1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is pretty standard. There are lots of technology and cutting edge ideas that aren't greenlighted for mass distribution because the older system is proven over years to be reliable and the new systems have to go through that process slowly and gradually.

Case in point: traffic lights. They cost tens of thousands of dollars each and could be done in just 50-100 dollars with modern tech. Why do major cities pay more for old expensive tech? because its proven to not break down or malfunction no matter what.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the big lesson here is that society needs and wants fruit loops. Therefore in a capitalist allegedly rational future fruit loops need to have rational capitalist packaging.

Also to really drive the irony, 99% of Petersonists view themselves as rational atheists.

If society wants fruit loops feed them fruit loops.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was a sci-fi writer called Stanislaw Lem. One of the books he wrote is called His Masters Voice.

The protagonist is a world class mathematician who briefly describes how the psychology and psychiatry people turned his back on him after he used few pages of math to unquestioningly prove why and how humans work like they do, after thousands of years during which philosophers, thinkers, mystics, psychologists and psychiatrists couldn't. He summarizes that he's a sort of persona non-grata in that environment b/c they didn't wanted that discovery to be made.

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Soft sciences are slightly more rigorous than what we do here.

Of course, praxeology does incentivize repkicatability, so which is more accurate and predictive?

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[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read it again, he wasn't talking seratonin

[–]RedPillHanSolo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's funny in its accuracy.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

They are waiting for a messiah to save society.

And it is society that they water-colored on a piece of butcher paper to make their teacher happy. It runs when they pin it up on the wall for their high five from teacher.

The rabbit hole is deep.

[–]Bear-With-Bit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


Fuck waiting. I got things to see and people to do.

for a messiah

But what if I am God, tho? The throne is actually empty, has been empty and will forever be empty... unless I sit in it.

to save society.

Another bloopy dream, blue-ifying the red pill. Even if it is save-able, what good will it do for you? This is entering a socialist view of sexual strategy. Universal tradcon pussy/basic income for everyone!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

check your brain for someone else's fingerprint

Love it!

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Sadly some here will read this and ask if its ok to listen to JP afterall.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"We're all individuals!"

[–]SaintHolland2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

I feel like you are advocating for fence-sitting, that anybody who "takes a side" in politics or religion is a plugged-in sheep. That's not true.

I understand what you mean. Think for yourself. Don't accept a set of ideas just because they're popular or pleasurable. I agree.

But don't be afraid to get off the fence and take a side.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I feel like you are advocating for fence-sitting, that anybody who "takes a side" in politics or religion is a plugged-in sheep.

Having an opinion is different than taking a side, and both are different from following an ideology.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. Neither is the man who agrees with you on an issue.

[–]SaintHolland1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

The majority of popular ideologies e.g. islam or christianity exist because they work in the real world. Natural selection has chosen them over centuries of pressure. Following an ideology isn't necessarily a bad decision.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

The majority of popular ideologies e.g. islam or christianity exist because they once worked in the real world.

If religion has one consistent trait over time, it is an inability to adapt to changing technological conditions.

Following an ideology isn't necessarily a bad decision.

Bad for whom?

It's great for the guy in the big hat who gets to tell people that god wants more cookies. For some other people, not so much.

There are many good reasons to distribute blue pills. There are none for swallowing them.

[–]SaintHolland4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Christianity has reformed itself many times since its inception. Religions work still today. Look at the recent growth of islam.

Don't be scared to prescribe to an idea or way of life that wasn't your own original idea. Be humble and understand there are greater minds in the world besides your own. The man, even the genius, who holds his own opinions at the expense of all others will end up holding a handful of dust.

Good luck bro.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't be scared to prescribe to an idea or way of life that wasn't your own original idea. Be humble and understand there are greater minds in the world besides your own. The man, even the genius, who holds his own opinions at the expense of all others will end up holding a handful of dust.

This is a very poetic way of presenting the logical fallacy called "argument from ignorance".

Essentially, "you don't know everything, and you can't prove their creation myths false, so accept the cultural rules of a bunch of bronze age sheep herders".

No thanks. Admission that one is not omniscient is not equivalent to the surrender of one's capacity for critical thinking.

[–]Gargantuar011 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Religion has it's place in society and in the human mind itself, the death of religion or god is leading us to the death of the west, because religion is replaced by feminism, ideologies, communism ect which are crippled religions.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Christianity is also a crippled religion.

It maintained some degree of social order, but has done so at the expense of holding the west back at every turn. Recall that the west has tried theocracy before. We now call this era "The Dark Ages".

Even if that were not so, we have to confront the fact that the death of Christianity represents a failure in and of itself. Feminism, Marxism, and humanism did not simply arise out of nowhere, stronger than Christianity, to slay it. They did not in fact slay it at all... they are simply the vultures which feast on its corpse.

Christianity was killed by science. One of the weaknesses of religion as a unifying force is that by its very nature it insists on its own infallibility (truths come from god, etc). Thus, as human knowledge advances, it tends to call itself into question a lot.

I don't just mean silly stuff like lightning or the geocentric model of the solar system, but more fundamental stuff as well. What can Christianity, which relies upon the concept of the soul as the seat of the self, do about advances in neuroscience?

Some Christians are trying to get their religion out of the science game, stop fighting basic facts about evolution and the age of the earth, etc, but the material brain is a real problem. Can't take the soul out without killing the whole paradigm, and religion can't work as social glue is it can't coexist with science, because science and engineering are strong enough to kick the ass of absolutely any other force in society, so long as it has an educated population to work with.

Think about it. Technology is the one god that really does answer prayers, perform miracles, and reveal eternal truth. You can't compete with that. If you expect to survive, you have to coexist, and most religions can't do that.

It is science and technology (free thought), capitalism (free markets), and the marketplace of ideas (free speech and expression) that made the west great, not Christianity. In its modern form, Christianity is basically a benign religion that can coexist with civilization, but it isn't strong enough to save it from poisons like Marxism, globalism, multiculturalism, humanism, feminism, etc.

The one weakness that technology has is that, in order to perform its miracles, it requires an educated population with the freedom to think and speak as they see. Marxism, humanism, egalitarianism, multiculturalism, feminism, etc, act to poison science by suppressing the education of the young, and freedom of thought for all.

If we were to save western civilization, it would be by rallying around our computers and spectroscopes, not the cross.

[–]truedemocracy33 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a great post. It DOES NOT mean don't listen to Peterson, Rogan, etc. whoever you view as an authority on gender issues. But dont make it your identity.

I fear that many here in their day to day life bring RP talks and gender wars stuff to the mainstream. There often isn't a place for it and it shouldnt begin to dominate your life. Your passions, ambitions, desires all should.

Great metaphor with the sports team thing. Being a fan of sports is a false red pill. Society tells us its manly to follow so if you spend 2 hours a night watching sports you feel like a man, while if someone spends the same time watching Anime they are a nerd. Guess what? You both are wasting your fucking time. Having grown up in a poor state with a great college sports team (ie Alabama) I know so many people that live vicariously through the performance of a bunch of 18 year old kids. It's god damn pathetic.

[–]chaseemall11 points12 points  (41 children) | Copy

You know, you've done a lot for the men here, and I respect that. But I'm a bit disappointed in your reasons for the cull, if appeased by the cull itself. Something about this whole thing unsettles me; it's a splinter in the mind.

The Peterson thing isn't just a mindless follower thing, or a socket thing. It's a hero worship thing, ala Thomas Carlyle, and it's a hierarchy thing. People see Peterson as their father, their fuhrer, their ring-giver, if the rings are the self-knowledge needed to improve their own lives, along with a healthy kick in the ass. He has bought their loyalty by purveying his wisdom and improving their lives. In that sense, it is absolutely is a messiah complex, because the messianic is the heroic. But people forget that messiah serves as an object for imitatio christi, not just veneration, but the manifestation of the Heroic, of the Christ-ian (in the true sense) in ones own life. If we need an example of what happens when you reject the call to Heroism, to the heights of man, in favor of seeking a messiah who will save you by saving society from its immediate surrounds, we need only look at the twisted state of the Jewish people, then and now.

Men are wired for hierarchy. They need a purpose. They need a leader. They need heroes. Why? because it works. It's the best way to work together and get things done. And this whole individual purpose thing... I understand that you're not ONLY endorsing Libertinism, but with marriage off the table what other win condition is there, in terms of sexual strategy? Libertinism inherently seems to run counter to any valid purpose as it leaves no children, leaves no society beyond ones own death, and squanders (what little there is left to squander!) what their fathers have left them. Maybe I'm not far enough in the game to get it yet, or to be okay with it yet (Damn it, I want sons! But that's only relevant to motivate the argument). Your mission should not be your woman, but the flourishing of individual men, or of your people, or of humanity as a whole, your own excellence, new frontiers in science, and great achievements in art, or trade, or military conquest are all worthy goals. And once you see that, you think: well I have to take ownership of this society and not do things that are counterproductive to its flourishing. Otherwise, all that other stuff I did is going to be pointless, because there won't be anyone civilized enough to appreciate it.

More than the pragmatic elements of the hierarchy, the hero calls them to the Heroic, to greatness, to see what heights they themselves can achieve, to manifest the Heroic in their own lives and cast off the mediocrity of comfort and pleasure.

I think that the men here have conflated the Purpose with the purposeful, the Heroic with the hero. I think they have resigned themselves to the pathetic state of worship by adoration, rather than worship by imitation, or to imitation of the superficial, rather than imitation of the essential. I think this is what rubs people the wrong way about alot of Peterson's fans. The same accusation has been levelled at Orthodox Christians, and later at Catholics—the adoration of the icon rather than the imitation of the Lord.

JBP is a man who has lived and died by his radical commitment to the truth, even when talking about such taboo thinkers as Jung (who is hated as the rebellious Goyim), talking about man's shadow, his need to have a comfort with his own capacity for force, for monstrosity, for reconciliation with his father and with his community; his commitment to his own excellence has launched him to prominence in his life and led him to become one of the great thinkers of our time. I think that is absolutely worth imitating.

The memes, ego attachment to the man, etc. simply aren't the point. The point is to commit to your own excellence, to the truth, and to manifesting all the things which made Peterson successful, and countless others as well, in your own life.

EDIT: caveats and formatting

EDIT 2: For aristocrats of the soul, the ideals of truth and personal excellence are highly motivating. The rest of us find it much more difficult and often will benefit strongly from examples, both real and fictional. But again, the example is a vehicle for the essential. The ego attachment to the former is what /u/Whisper's post was criticizing.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

[–]chaseemall4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

In academia, Jung is fairly well taboo. In psychology especially. In literature as well. Everyone reads Freud, Marx, and Lacan. Nobody reads Jung. Why? Because Freud is their guy, and Jung defected from Freud. Jung chose to efface religion and common morality. Replace the word "goyim," with "not a communist," and you'll get the gist.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

[–]chaseemall3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not laughter. It's enmity. I'll find some relevant discussion later. To many of the academic left Jung is an enemy.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Frued was a jealous Jew who was angry that the spirits were speaking to Jung and not to him. Frued has cocaine. Jung had the Aryan Occult.

[–]novalentineforyou6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is next level shitposting. I don't know enough about you to know if this is serious or trolling, and that's amazing.

[–]ThrowFader1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

JBP is a man who has lived and died by his radical commitment to the truth,

He's good at his stuff, but his stuff is not what TRP collectively theorized, tested and found to be consistently true and working. Thus, JBP's "radical commitment to the truth" ends on what he works on.

Theoretical physicists have "radical commitment to the truth" too, it's just they they study physics and you wouldn't want a physicist to do a surgery, you want surgeon for that.

Men are wired for hierarchy. They need a purpose. They need a leader. They need heroes

Men like these should be treated as utilitarian models, not idols. At some point the training wheels should come off and you should be driving your own mind. Overwhelming majority of JBP followers are alt-right people who get off on JBP pointing out the flaws of PC culture. They are not interested in becoming better.

[–]chaseemall2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

He's good at his stuff, but his stuff is not what TRP collectively theorized, tested and found to be consistently true and working. Thus, JBP's "radical commitment to the truth" ends on what he works on.

Absolutely correct, but misses the point.

Theoretical physicists have "radical commitment to the truth" too, it's just they they study physics and you wouldn't want a physicist to do a surgery, you want surgeon for that.

Still missing the point.

Men are wired for hierarchy. They need a purpose. They need a leader. They need heroes

Men like these should be treated as utilitarian models, not idols.

That's how it should work, not how it does work.

At some point the training wheels should come off and you should be driving your own mind.

This is where you go from imitation of the external to imitation of the essential.

Overwhelming majority of JBP followers are alt-right people who get off on JBP pointing out the flaws of PC culture. They are not interested in becoming better.

Their political views have nothing to do with them wanting or not wanting to get better.

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Do you have a point, or are you planning on hacking at weeds?

[–]chaseemall1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey, I made my point above in the thread. I'm not sure how much differently or more effectively I can say it. I actually agree with Whisper. I don't necessarily disagree with Skepp here either, but I do think he and I aren't quite talking about the same thing.

EDIT: And don't confuse my discussion of the problem with a rejection of plate theory, machiavellianism or anything else. I'm working on my game, working in the gym, working on all the stuff I ought to be working on to to get paid and get laid. I'm NOT endorsing marriage as it currently stands, just to be clear.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Aristocrats of the Soul? Is someone riding Julias Evola's Tiger?

[–]chaseemall1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know it!

[–]TravelGameAddict-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wait i thought rsd Tyler was the Messiah! Are you saying I'm wrong?

[–]chaseemall1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Neil Strauss is the Messiah, and if you think otherwise, you're a colossal fucking faggot!

[–]Rudeyyyy7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

My favorite part about the sports bit is how people act like they're a part of the team itself. Since you used Penguins i'll elaborate. I'm a big Pittsburgh Penguins fan. (Before Crosby in case anyone wants to call me a bandwagon.) If you follow hockey you'll know the Penguins won back to back Stanley Cups. Fans get into arguments and act as if they physically helped them win the cup. If you notice the fans use the word -we- A LOT. "We beat the Senators in the second round." We're the best team in the league." No you aren't the Penguins are the best team. You didn't do shit except cheer them on.

Do you really think your loudmouth beer gut and neck hair really contributed? They act like it's a lifestyle. Whether the Penguins win or lose their next game I will still get up, go to the gym, go to class or work and proceed with my day. Some people actually freak out and refuse to go to work. This happens more in american football because there's only 16 games in a season but still. Really? Your life is affected that much over something that you have no control over? Like Whisper said, easy to tell people who watch it for fun and people who think it makes them bigger person. If you get offended over someone making fun of your team there's most likely a deeper issue at play there.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Especially the 'nice pleasant Matrix'. MarriedRedPill in a nutshell. You know you're living something that isn't real, but you're content with it because it's easier than unplugging and living in the grim reality.

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol, I could leverage much against mrp, nice, pleasant and fake are not them.

[–]RatioRegnum2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

politician ideology nation sportsball

Noam Chomsky wrote a whole book on the media process of replacing thought with emotion, and how this serves vested interests quite well. Manufacturing Consent. Arguably he needs to read it since his own political thinking is somewhat muddy. However he's right in the essentials on this point.

You're better off seeking insight from those you don't agree with than leadership from those you do.

[–]DudeWtfusayin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen some really questionable shit on this subreddit being upvoted like how when your wife says no you should make her say yes and shit like that (sexually).

But this here really spoke to me. I'm really struggling to not just follow people that make most sense and look for sense in things myself. It's scary. But at least I'm not lying to myself I guess?

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just as long as the Astros win the World Series again next year I'm good

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The best posts and comments are coming from endorsed contributors and are scored in below zero up to 30 upvotes range.

And by the way, if some manipulative jerks can make you emotional up to the point you write another post on the subject by telling you you telling them their favorite sportsball team sucked...

[–]BANMEAGAIN0091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

God dam that was a good post.

[–]kaane1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I reacted to your post the other day, the one about JP. Now I can see you point more clear with this post.

Most of the times the message is lost in translation. Just like you said, people look at the finger that is pointing to the message itself, and loose the meaning.

But for this kind of people, anything can appeal to their god complex, JP or TRP

Still think that JP is a very important, influential person and is helping the younger generation. So if someone is following JP as a cult leader, it's not JP's fault, it's the person's responsibility to take the information from him, digest it and apply to his life.

Thanks for the post, well written and good points. To me, this post is in the same ball park with one of JP's posts. Both clear, both supporting a strong point. Both encouraging people to find their own ways.

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

it's not JP's fault,

I made a comment on that thread. I found it difficult that a group of millennial narcissists would have a hard time understanding that thread was all about them

Also tells me they don't even listen to or read petersonss stuff. Levels of resolution? Seemed like that little tidbit of his would have been useful to the readership

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Spergs can't conceive of anyone saying anything that has more than one meaning.

[–]2Dmva1003 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy


Anyone who uses ad hominem or threats, etc. Are triggered and know they've been made. It becomes an attack on them due to their ego investment in the topic/ideology being called out.

Many men at Redpill fail this test when it comes to the topic of family being disposable and ultimately a feminine social convention.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anyone who uses ad hominem or threats, etc. Are triggered

"Do you even read Nee-Chee!?!?!?"

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 20 years old, and read books in college! I know everything!

[–]RedPillHanSolo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Having read TRP for some years now, I see the dynamics shifting towards people who can't think for themselves, but rather rehashing whatever someone chewed and put in their mouth. I don't know if that's the cost of TRP's success or what, but you can't rewire them. It's like they coat themselves with "Red" while being "Blue" on the inside.

And while these public figures certainly make us all smile when they take the radical left down a peg, that isn't what we built TRP for.

B-b-but red pill is only about sexual strategy!11

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Another problem is that the same patterns of belief that lead people to slavish devotion also carry over to science. Science is their god, scientists are their priests, and research papers are their scripture. If science can't/hasn't proved it, then it doesn't exist.

Perhaps I'm just trying to justify my own mystic/philosophical leanings. I don't know. But science seems to be a difficult game to play. The phenomena and material knowledge is undoubtedly out there, but it requires interpretation by the human mind. Which is not a fully rational entity. People can become emotionally invested in their ideas (especially if they've built a career on them), which can impede their reason when those ideas are in danger of being falsified.

Another problem is that as science trucks on with its discoveries, more and more previous knowledge will be invalidated or in need of updating. Which means that, unless we have full knowledge of the universe, we are constantly 2 or 3 major discoveries away from wiping out vast swathes of our prior knowledge.

Now, do I think that there are guys who are capable of being the perfect scientist? Of course! But, as with any vocation that demands high intelligence and a specific temperament, they are in the minority. It's important that we celebrate their achievements and contributions, but we need to be aware that they may not be right forever. It's a rather tragic situation when you think about it.

Finally, all the criticisms I've made can be made for most (if not all) forms of human knowledge. Occult, philosophical, whatever. It's just that the modern Cult of Science is held as above those limitations by its followers, and that should be addressed.

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank fucking god you're back

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sportsball, lol. Good stuff.

[–]purplemashpotato0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

regarding every thing you see as raw data to be analyzed - prefect summary

[–]Redpillandrew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That socket in your head, the one labeled "insert messiah here", or "insert plans here"... that's what made you vulnerable to the Disney Blue Pill, or the Chivalry Blue Pill, or the Feminist Blue Pill in the first place. Someone exploited your desire for a ready-made set of instructions for life. Your dream of a society where everything was mapped out, and you didn't have to wander in the wilderness on your own, looking for what suited you in life.

you scored a big fat point. Making plans, setting our own rules is no joke; some people don't even know WHAT THEY WANT, let alone plans. It's so easy to fill the brackets. The golden age of advertising, where people are empty inside and will buy anything, and follow anyone

[–]SKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There was once a group of mice terrorized by a cat. The group of mice got together and decided that the best option was to put a bell around the cat's neck while it was asleep. The bell would warn them in advance. The idea got a lot of upvotes. Then an old mouse got up and asked, "Ok, so who's gonna bell the cat?" There was no answer.

Ok, look, forget about being a messiah for the world. At least be responsible for your own salvation first.

[–]Bear-With-Bit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The red pill is you.

Just like in Think and Grow Rich, the Secret is you.

[–]waldo8880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think its a bit of a hyperbolous argument to say that society is looking for a messiah to save it. I think people are looking for good leadership and healthy role models. Its just as hyperbolous to say you are totally alone when, there are a quarter of a million people who have grouped on this site to get information from one of the trusted leaders.

I do not believe that people are longing for ANY ready made plan for society, and i don't think they want to be served up an easy blue pilled fantasy "matrix". I think rational people want to learn about competing ideas, then CHOOSE what system of society and ethics is the best one, and then try to build it in some fashion.

You are really defining the fundamentals of politics here and i don't understand how it relates to the redpill core. Where high individualism and inequity is on the far right, and no individuality and full equality is on the extreme left.

Humans are individuals who choose to join groups all the time, follow specific leaders. Obviously its important to remove the pre-existing shackles and illusions, but then i believe belonging to a group is important. I think this is hardwired into our biology as social beings as groups can compete better than individuals. Also the term alpha male comes from the alpha male of the group dynamic no?
The whole reason people follow the dominant leader is because it saves time, so literally part of the decision making part of the brain shuts down, to join the group, its a survival instinct and every single man and women has it. I'm willing to bet the larger the disparity in dominance, the heavier the "fog".

I think the idea that you are truly alone politically would relate to anarchism, which i think is a temporary state...If the environment suddenly became very competitive/risky groups tend to form quickly along the lines of us vs. them...sjw/commies vs. capitalism, blue pill vs red pill vs. uh oh new competitor: classical liberal.

Then you submit the appropriate propaganda to both distinguish yourself from, and slander the other. So i would say being alone is just the beginning. The you have to choose mother fucker are you with us or with them...hahah but srsly groupthink is very dangerous and you should be very concerned about it.

[–]oldrunnerguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Super post. Part of it is finding who you are and being the best you that you can be. No B.S., no politics, not allowing women to dictate your course. It is called going your own way for a reason. A ship setting its own course for its own benefit. I am sad that I didn't understand this 30 years ago, but hindsight, as they say, is 20-20.