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Red Pill Example

The day i took The Red Pill


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Hi All. I am new to this forum and after spending hours going through the posts on here i could not agree more with most, if not all of what is said on here.

My path, day of awakening, and new perspective on women and life.

I am a 32 year old tall, fit, and successful guy. I am recently separated. This is my story.

I was in a LTR for 6 years, two of which i was / am married.

I met my now estranged wife through work back when we were both new graduates at a global consulting firm. I was a prime alpha (competitive bodybuilder), 6'4, and wealthy through years of saving and investing. She pursued me like i have never been before. She basically forced herself into my life and made it her mission to integrate herself as possible into my day to day life. Eventually after a few months of this we ended up getting together and she was basically a stage 5 clinger, which at the time i found endearing as she was quite attractive and charming. She would essentially force herself into my life and make sure she was involved in everything from hanging with my friends to charming my family.

This went on for a year and eventually i caved in and we moved into an apartment together First BIG mistake. The warning signs that i had been a victim of false advertising started on the very first night we had moved in. If i were to plot effort and affection over a time series then on this particular day it nose-dived to 50% of pre-committed levels. This was not just a reduction in the amount of sex and affection, but in general courtesy and behaviour.

When we moved in together she brought nothing, had nothing, and was in fact in $40,000 in debt. Let’s just say I’m an idiot for agreeing to this arrangement, but i was a blue pill kind of guy then. Over the course of the next few years whilst living in the apartment i could see a slow degradation in her respect for me. This could be seen by her increasingly bitchy and controlling behaviour etc.

One by one her friends start getting engaged and hitched. She is wanting the same. She begins to swing back to the lovely charming woman she had led me on to believe she was. I did have my doubts, but after much internal deliberation i decided it was a good idea to put a ring on it (Not a good idea, once again I’m stupid). Throughout the short engagement i started seeing her true colours. Nasty, controlling, uncompromising etc. etc. I just rationalise it by thinking its due to "wedding planning stress".

Initially we had agreed to have a pretty bare bones wedding etc. this did not end up being the case and cost me in excess of $40,000. I just copped a lot of shit from her as she wanted everything to be perfect and i caved thinking that "this is normal". So, the wedding comes and goes and we start looking for our dream family home. Once again i must highlight that she has no money and blows her high monthly salary on selfish stuff like dinners with her friends at swanky restaurants, clothes and just general bullshit. I on the other hand have continued to save my ass off to build up a good capital base to buy a great home.

Basically i get pressured in to leveraging myself as much as possible to be able to buy this house (which i love). We buy our house (approx. $1.2m) in which i stumped up 90% of the capital. We move in to our house and life is pretty perfect for the first few months, until her best friend decides to dump her long term boyfriend because she is 'bored and wants to live', basically code for "fuck other dudes and be irresponsible".

As soon as my wife tells me this my stomach sinks, and i know that i am going to be fighting an uphill battle here to combat the influence this friend is most definitely going to be pushing on her. I see the results straight away. She comes home from work every day saying that her life is 'beige and boring' and there should be more to life than just working and paying bills. I start to get really worried here. Fast forward 2 months. My wife comes home from work with the news that she has decided to take an overseas secondment for work, without even considering that we have just bought an expensive house and have a shit load of commitments. I am stunned, and, i know this is the beginning of the end.

What happens over the next 6-8 months is text book. She checks out of the relationship, starts going out a lot partying with her friend, and basically drops the ball on her home-life. She just didn't care anymore, she was going overseas for work with her friend.

We barely talked anymore, there was NO intimacy, NO sex, NO anything. I was miserable. We had a number of tough conversations about our future and she assured me that she was going to work together with me to address our issues and save the relationship, however in the back of my mind I’m over it and basically can’t stand to look at this woman.

She starts spending loads of our cash on just rubbish. I'm talking thousands. In one hit. Multiple times. I confront her about and I’ll never forget what she said, she looks me dead in the face and says "Learn to deal with life. Don’t tell me what to do".

Then and there i could have killed her. I hated her. She became a blood sucking parasite who was now openly treating me like a piece of shit.

Fast forward another couple of miserable months and i have had enough of this shit. I act to stamp it out. She tells me she’s had enough of MY shit and wants a divorce. I am incensed by anger that i am being thrown away for being a rock solid great guy, so i go to work and know that we are going to have a hard talk that night. I get home that night from work and walk in the front door. It’s dead quiet. I get a sinking feeling. I walk into the bedroom and it hits me. She has packed up all her shit and abandoned the marriage. I was gutted, not due to losing her, but for putting myself in the position of fighting the divorce-rape that is yet to come.

One week after disappearing she contacts me to 'catch up' and 'see how i am as she is worried etc. etc.’ this is just a bullshit ploy. We catch up and she starts crying and turning on the 'woe is me talk'. I’m not having it and don't bite, i just listen and show no emotion. Then after she sees she’s getting nothing the real motive comes out. She has the nerve to ask me to get cracking on sorting out the property and financial settlement as 'she doesn’t want it hanging over her head while she’s overseas'. I basically tell her goodbye and haven’t spoken to her in weeks.

The very next day i lawyered up with a prominent family lawyer. I explain the situation and the finances, and had proof to back it up. She is in for a rude shock. She’s getting a very small slice and i will hotly contest any bullshit arguments her lawyers throw at me.

There are no kids, equal earning potential, etc. etc. One the shock of this had worn off i found the red pill. I now adhere to this way of life in respect to women, it is ALL true and i accept the truth. Never again.

I have still kept in shape and am back into bodybuilding. I got on a number of dating apps and have been slaying a plethora of horny women (some average looking but who cares). Summary. Women are manipulative bloodsucking and heartless parasites if they feel they can get away with it. NEVER AGAIN. D85 signing out

EDIT 1: For all who are asking, im from Melbourne, Australia. UPDATE 1: I saw her today (We work in the same building), she waved at me and smiled. I walked past her like she did not exist. Felt good.

UPDATE 2: I have caught her off-guard by ruthlessly serving her with financial settlement terms. I strategised with my legal adviser and she is a position of great weakness financially, i will be setting the terms and she will need to play ball else i will make life hard for her. Thanks for all the comments guys.

Life is going well, i have been applying TRP behavious and i can tell you right now that they work, i'll be continuing on my red pill journey digesting and organically implementing these behaviors, as it stands i still need to actively 'get my game face on' so to speak. I am gaining confidence by the day.

[–]xavine304 points305 points  (8 children) | Copy

As bad as this is, you are incredibly lucky you didn't knock her up. Things could and would be a million times worse than they are now. Welcome to the club.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah dude, this is my thought.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mine too. Holy fucking shit what a nightmare that would be.

[–]BirdManBrrrr21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

These late 20's/early30's "career women" tend to put off kids until their ovaries start tick-tocking hard. Luckily for OP and myself (going through something simliar) this is the case, but yea it could be a complete shitshow.

[–]xavine4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every day I'm more thankful for getting snipped. I'm never going to be caught in any of these situations and the satisfaction and peace of mind is like nothing else.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Imagine telling your ancient ancestors...

"In the future, impregnating an attractive female with just one baby can ruin your life."

[–]jason10095 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

absolutely. in order of power, Marry, impregnate, co-habitate. All huge no goes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think impregnate is more powerful than marry.

[–]BoskOfPortKar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let's see what really happens when the divorce is finally settled...

[–]Herdsengineers47 points48 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sounds like she spent a lot more of the marital assets than you did. She already spent her share of the distribution. Don't agree to give her anything else in the divorce. Heck, I'd try to get as many court dates as possible with her out of the country. After all, you need to make singular property decisions without her consent because she's not around to give them. Sounds like a great case for a set of temp orders that is very favorable to you, and she's not around to fight it.

Record her sorry ass next time she calls. Get her crying and being manipulative, then changing her tune again. Play that shit for the judge.

[–]Mail_Order_Lutefisk19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

Judges don't want to hear that and they don't care. They've got a full docket and if you go in acting like a gossipy teenage girl, you'll be treated like one.

[–]Herdsengineers6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm painfully aware. The thing is, they aren't supposed to dictate the type of shit you take to court. Just make judgements on what is brought before them. They have way too much power and discretion to just make shit up on their own in family court (the joys of family court being a court of equity and not a court of law).

[–]Spets87121 points122 points  (10 children) | Copy

You can read about this stuff all day long, but until you go through something similar yourself, it just doesn't sink in. Fortunately I never married but have experienced an LTR moving in, and changing in the blink of an eye into a lazy slob from a horny minx. And guess what, it was all my fault, I didn't lead, I was a beta. So my hope for you is to keep up the TRP work but also do some self reflection on how you could've done things better.

[–]xavine37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me it was backwards. One of my girlfriends was an alpha widow and I didn't recognize the signs until after we broke up and I found TRP.

It's cringeworthy looking back at it now but I've learned a lot. I went through her phone (yup, that bad) and she had told her best friend how things were going well enough but that I just "didn't give her butterflies". She actually said this verbatim.

I stayed with her and tried harder thinking that would give her butterflies. Read the conversation with the ex fuck buddy she was alpha widowed by and learned that he used to fuck her ass all the time even if it wasn't her favorite, with me we did it about twice in the relationship. And I couldn't put together why that was, I was such a thoughtful, supplicant and emotional boyfriend. I was such a pussy a part of me was like "well no wonder he's an ex, he can't be forcing her to have anal like that"


That's when I knew this is real and that's when I started taking TRP seriously. Better late than never though, my man. The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today.

[–]boofboimac 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Which side bar or thread is perfect to read on how to lead a relationship, pretty much every relationship I’ve had resulted in ending due to me leading incorrectly

[–]read_if_gay_9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

HumanSockPuppet's guide to managing your bitches.

Also reading some basic leadership stuff might help here (and a lot more in other areas of life), Jocko Willink always recommends this: https://www.amazon.com/Steel-Soldiers-Hearts-Transformation-Battalion/dp/0743246136/

[–]BobbyPeru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read the sidebar appropriate to what you are trying to access in your life at any given time. I think you answered your own question based on my additional information

[–]Self-honest16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same here man. Except I lead, and it still went down the same way, every time. That's why they say LTRs are TRP on hard mode. OP seems like a good dude, but hypergamy is real.

There might not even be a particular guy, but the draw to the CC is real (for a pre-wall woman who believes she can still pull 9s and 10s for a ONS). The hamster is real. The Lightswitch effect is real. Solipsism is real.

It's a healthy perspective to focus on what you could have done better. If you fully articulate what happened, you can better understand it. Then, when faced with a similar experience in the future, you can trust your gut.

When you go through something similar to OPs experience, then spend time with the TRP toolbox understanding and articulating your experience, it really does help reality sink in, as you put it.

[–]Ihatemoi5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Totally relating to you turning from a horny minx to a lazy slob.

[–]21ce2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

It was not your fault. It was hers.

[–]1empatheticapathetic11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, that's a useless perspective for wanting to improve.

[–]BirdManBrrrr4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want to improve and let the lessons sink in after one of these shitshows you need to own the failure 100%. Anything less gives you an out for not fixing your shit and becoming the best version of yourself.

Sure: AWALT, bitches be crazy, whatever, but don't miss the opportunity for growth by blaming her for your own failure.

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (14 children) | Copy

Damn I know reading these are good for me, but they're pretty fucking depressing to read sometimes. I think as a 22 year old guy, I'm just naturally full of naivety. Even with being exposed to TRP, I still find myself idealizing relationships with girls I hook up with. It's posts like these that keep me from falling into that trap.

[–]suaressi53 points54 points  (8 children) | Copy

I still find myself idealizing relationships with girls I hook up with

that's normal. that's what men want naturally. we want to care for someone and to protect them. its in our genes.

[–]1Inchado55 points56 points  (3 children) | Copy

"Men are romantics pretending to be realists, women are realists pretending to be romantics."

[–]smirk_addict8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

That’s a great quote. I’ve always said women being romantic is bullshit. At best, they appreciate the romantic gestures OF MEN.

[–]ShrunkenHed4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

They do not appreciate it. They need it. They crave it. They're addicts. Think of them as retarded megamens running around with empty Etanks titled "self worth." Romantic gestures from men merely fill these up. Women have no other source of purpose.

But what do they do when they fill a tank? Discard it and fill another. That's why they behave entitled while bringing nothing of value to anyone around them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then the beta bitches give them validation on social media and overflow the Etanks.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good point, that makes perfect sense. It's just somewhat ironic that in today's society our genes almost work against us. The more you express care for someone, the further that puts you away from them.

[–]mattizie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's somewhat ironic. But perfectly logical.

r vs K selection.

Most of western society has been K selected for a while now because food is hard to get, especially in winter, and there's no welfare state.

[–]ArchieJJohnson 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This is totally fine. Like old PUA saying, leave them better then when you found them. Just know what game is being played.

Even if I know I am dealing with a worthless slut, I try not to intentionally lower their self esteem or point at body issues or whatever.

[–]indecencies1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like this. The idea of the romance being by you and for you. Thanks man.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same age, same feelings here, mate. We should be extremely thankful to guys like OP, who keep on reminding us of the brutal reality.

[–]UnpluggedDad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had a similar situation as the OP, wife pulled a lot of the same crap. Even now I slip and end up falling for some girl and think about this future I could have with a certain girl.

I make it a goal to look at TRP on those days. Luckily, OP's story came across today that refreshed my memory on what happened in the past. After some analysis, I see the trap that is being sprung on me and it makes it easier to avoid it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m 17. This sub is a gold mine for me but at the same time it’s a little disheartening. If I never found trp I’d probably be in OPs situation later in life.

[–]biglaughingcock86 points87 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its better to figure it out the hard way so you never actually let another woman get away with this shit. Welcome to the club.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy

Good for you. I get this feeling even after all the legal proceedings that she’ll try to force her way back into your life.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

Banged out and broke is when i'm guessing.

[–]Mail_Order_Lutefisk20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

For sure. In my personal observation, every time a woman in her 30's initiates a divorce because she's bored, thinks she can do better, whatever, they inevitably hit a "dog year" of aging in the first year. Basically, they look like they age 7 years in a single year. Without fail. After that year, the pattern of attempting to "get back together" is also pretty common.

[–]1OneRedSock7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

they inevitably hit a "dog year"

Awesome. I'm going to use this in the future.

[–]Mail_Order_Lutefisk9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Go ahead! Watch for the phenomenon. It throws the Wall into overdrive all at once. A woman will honestly go from looking 33 to 40 really quick. I saw one where where she went from 37 and reasonably content to 42 and miserable in about three months.

[–]CursingWhileNursing2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hehe, sometimes it is like they've met an evil and terribly pissed off fairy that waves its wand and PFFFUMP! they go full airback. Sometimes, it is actually pretty hilarious.

[–]Steve_O--1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit this is so true... this happened to my ex-wife. Now I look at her and she's 3 times the size of when we got divorced (and my friends tell me that she got "sick" after she gave birth and affected her weight LOL), got knocked up by some random dude who left her and the kid..... and all within a few months. That wall came crashing like an avalanche.

Saw her a few months ago and she looks like she's 45 years old when she's only 32. Talk about feeling relief...

[–]Stationarity26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

Modren women want weddings, not marriages.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers005 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Brilliant way of putting that cynical truth. Giving women power is absolutely fucking insane.

[–]1UPZ_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy



Its the day when the entire attention is on them... the pinnacle of some sort. Expensive everything as well....

[–]Drazicc85[S] 40 points41 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks guys - Yes looking back now i can admit that i was acting like a Beta. Never again.

[–]AvengerSentinel7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Much respect to you for sharing your story, I've taken away a lot from this. If you're only 32, you haven't even hit peak SMV yet, You have so much to look forward to (women and earnings-wise) in the future.

[–]cant__find__username19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

Question from a 24 year old single,

Would you ever try a LTR again? Do you think you may want kids at any point?

[–]Drazicc85[S] 41 points42 points  (5 children) | Copy

Hey man,

I would try an LTR again, maybe not right away, however i will be vigilant on how i manage her and also have my eyes wide open for red flags. I'll be far more picky on who i consider to be a worthy partner, just not upgrading any old plate.

Kids, sure i would like them. however i'm taking life day by day at the moment.

[–]charm33 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Curious - how do you figure out redflags in the beginning of the relationship when you barely know her?

[–]p_and_q4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seeing the red flags is only half the battle (possibly even less). The hardest thing is actually reacting to those flags. It's really easy to make excuses for bad behavior because "she's the one" or "she makes up for it by..." or "better then being single". It's okay to forgive, its when you forget that you run into problems.

[–]redvelvet_oreo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alot of people will advocate never LTRing but I think its a natural thing to do even after you plow a bunch of bitches. You go numb after a while from being single and just banging out chicks. When you LTR you just enter TRP Hard mode. Thats when you really get to see how your frame holds up. I think its normal to have a series of LTR throughout the span of your life. Just never get married again. Marriage is bullshit.

[–]eaeulis18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

i realize reading these posts that shit goes downhill when u start slipping up. note to self: NEVER SLIP UP.

[–]no_its_a_subaru14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Op your story really hit home. Over the weekend had to explain to an older cousin (29) what smv and hitting the wall is. He couldn’t fathom why his ltr, now turned fiancé was changing so much and so eager to get married before 30. I also had to explain that once she hit him with “I feel like I’m wasting my good years” to force his hand into commitment it was game over. That’s a debt that he will never be able to repay and will loom over him forever. He has time to course correct, I just hope he does.

[–]Mail_Order_Lutefisk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I get into that, I pull up the TRP glossary on my phone. Guys read it or hear me read the textbook definition of "Wall" and "Alpha Widow" and key phrases like that and you can see the lightbulb go off.

[–]1htbf12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Will you please write an update?

Theory predicts that she'll reconsider once she realizes she is not equipped to deal with her own illusions and begs her way back into your life.

[–]them1lfman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. Please keep us posted.

[–]suaressi13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

for the exception of marriage/divorce, this was almost word for word of what happened to my friend. fuck. reading this gave me goosebumps. they were never married, but the way she integrate herself into your life and then the decline of the relationship is exactly how it went down with my buddy. his girl also had a friend that broke up with her man because she was "too young" for commitment (at 25) and wanted to go out and fuck the world until she hit the wall. my buddy's girlfriend followed suit.

as my friend ended the relationship, i was just starting another one of my LTR's. fast forward 3 years, i noticed my chick starting to slowly mention things like "life's too short" and so on. huge red flag went up. she also started talking about her friends starting to travel and have fun, etc. i contemplated for a month or so and ended the shit before it got out of control. told her to move the fuck out and ghosted afterwards. don't want to know and don't care at this point. i can only imagine it would've ended the same way as my buddy and you.

good luck bro. keep us updated.

[–]smirk_addict0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Did she ever try to make your life miserable or come back?

[–]suaressi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

actually the relationship was not a bad one. she never tried pulling bullshit like that with me. it would've been short lived. i decided to end things because, as i mentioned above, the red flags started popping up more and more and the influence of her whoring friends started to be very apparent. her attitude started changing and that's when i decided this is not going to end up well. my relationship prior to her was a roller coaster ride from an insane asylum (i was half blue back then) and i've learned a lot from that. so before things did get out of hand, i ended it. she tried contacting me sometime after and it was a brief texting session of "hey how are you" etc. but that's it.

[–]Sly21C10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not having kids with this parasite is the best thing to ever happen to you. You are completely free, nothing joining you to her. Consider yourself very lucky.

[–]patriargate11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

If i may add one thing. Women will never surrender as long as they have power. Their friends truly have influence on them. One solution is to take them young, virgin, conservative, uneducated, making 4 children every 2/3 years. You live in a village far from the city, go to ultra conservative church every week end, and do not let her work. She will then be isolated the most you can in this society and the children will handicap her smv like hell. At 30 with 4 kids, no-one will ever want her again jf she leaves. She would have a banging value (very little), but she wouldn't be able to sustain herself. She wouldn't have friends who work and party. She wouldn't have the working opportunity to leave you neither. Dunno if anyone here tried this and failed... So far never heard about such story.

[–]MrCarepig6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

It takes a village to keep a woman monogamus

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that village hasnt existed for hundreds of years, if ever. You wont find that today

[–]GamePlayer0073 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Their friends truly have influence on them." Yes. Absolutely. Especially if their friends are single, or if the friend has just broken up with somebody and wants to starty partying. I especially have a problem with girls' whoring weekends. If you must be in an LTR, it's up to you to manage (i.e. stop / discourage) her relationship with single sluts.

[–]patriargate5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. My philosophy is: if you are in LTR, you never go out. I know what girls do out, and I always tell her not to tell me shit. The place of a woman is at home, taking care of everything for the man. She shuts the fuck up, and listens. If this simple rule is broken, all the rest breaks. It is like a domino game. Slutty friends are the worse enemy of ANY family.

[–]markdumte2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

So you are suggesting the only way to marry successfully is to go meet a women in an Islamic African tribe?

[–]patriargate1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not exactly, unless you are black

[–]CrikeyKay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is how Africa keeps women unadulterated, sadly it's beginning to lose it's effect.

[–]Rian_Stone11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

i have had enough of this shit. I act to stamp it out. She tells me she’s had enough of MY shit and wants a divorce.

I get you see it in hindsight, And I'm sure you realize you weren't mad at her, she was the only honest one in this relationship. She told you exactly what you were in for, from day 1, and each time, you bullshitted yourself into thinking otherwise.

I do hope you grew the balls you say you did in this, because a lot of guys like this assume she was low quality, and think the next one will be different, usually right after you get tired of plates and 'want something more fufilling'

[–]weakandsensitive4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Guys says he's peak alpha and proceeds to talk about physique and money. Beta validation seeking behaviors. Acts surprised when he's treated in kind.

The common theme between self proclaimed alphas - listing off a series of inconsequential traits. I'm sure you've noticed.

[–]markdumte4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Having the discipline and skills to get buff and get money is not inconsequential. It's not all there is either, but if it was so easy everybody would do it, yet I walk in the street and most men are not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Serious question - if physique and money aren't valid points then what is? Would you say standing up for your principles regardless of the consequences are alpha?

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Do you know why listing physique and money aren't?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Im guessing because that is just material and not a part of who you are as a person?

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. It's validation seeking - and using an external metric to be judged on.

Alpha is TRP's term for attractive individuals. Why are attractive individuals attractive? Because they have a vision for themselves, because they're not needy, because they have abundance. When attractive people spend time with you, it's because they're choosing to do so, not because they don't have anything better to do.

Attractive people tend to be good looking and financially successful, but trying to be good looking and trying to be financially successful doesn't inherently make you attractive. The mindset, the personality, and the worldview you use to dictate your own reality all matter.

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Doesn't matter if I noticed, I'm not the one with my victim puke

[–]BirdManBrrrr11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

What happens over the next 6-8 months is text book. She checks out of the relationship, starts going out a lot partying with her friend, and basically drops the ball on her home-life. She just didn't care anymore, she was going overseas for work with her friend...We barely talked anymore, there was NO intimacy, NO sex, NO anything.

I'm going through the Exact. Same. Fucking. Template. with my soon-to-be-ex. I've lived through all the hamstering, gaslighting, excuses...all of it. In my case it was a family member that got her ear and talked her into all sorts of dumb shit; not at all helped by my beta-ness at the time.

Listen up folks: The second a female friend or family member gets in your girl's ear about how she's not haaaapy or wants her freeeedom or thinks its fun to go on an adventure you better be on your game to address it head on or else you'll be like those of us living these stories IRL.

Never underestimate the power of the collective girl hamster; bitches will defend and rationalize eachother's shit behavior to the death and you're the asshole for questioning it.

[–]askmrcia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. And I've witnessed this all the time. Witnessed it with my sister, niece's, ex's and female acquaintances.

Guys may actually find a really decent girl. The problem is women around around them will have a huge influence on them. If a girl has a single best friend(s) , that friend will try and bring them down to their level.

If a girl has a bunch of friends who are whores will that's a bad sign.

You can tell a lot about a woman on who they hang around with.

[–]Essexal6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

A few of my friends will marry this year. They currently think they are happy. I have wished them the same level of contentment in years to come.

We know the truth.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

Good for you, and I hope it comes out the way you think it will.

I live in China, and I also know a guy who got involved with a woman - and a 40k debt (But RMB, not dollars.) He is average height and thin but has a good job making good money.

The woman is Chinese and good looking - she was a part time model. I met her and her husband, who is from the UK, via my daughter - my daughter made friends with theirs. When I was talking to the hubby he was telling me happily how dreadful his wife is with finances, and how when he met her she was 40K in debt - credit cards, loans, etc. He helped her to pay it off, they got married, have two kids and bought a nice place. Two years later they decided to move back to the UK.

So now she is debt free, has a UK passport, and is living in the UK. Her hubby, while a good catch in China (Taller than an average Chinese guy, rich compared to a Chinese guy, from an exotic land) is a mediocre catch in the UK. She on the other hand has gone from being a good looking girl in a land with millions of them (literally) to being a very good looking exotic girl in a land where people love asian girls. Her value has gone up, his has gone down. Her debts are gone (They were entirely hers and in her name) so she is free to move on. And in the UK if they divorce he will have to pay maintenance for their two girls; this isn't true in China.

There is no way I would have been interested in a relationship with a woman with a 40k debt, no matter how good looking she was. They were married, and they did have two kids - but it's not something I would have taken a chance on, and I suspect sooner or later she's going to go fishing for a bigger fish. I wonder what the situation is now; I haven't heard from him since they went back to the UK about 5 years ago.

[–]Andgelyo7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Asian girls man, I’m telling you niggas stay as far away from them as possible lol they’ll branch swing to another foreign cock faster than you can say “Ni Hao”

[–]smirk_addict4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

I wonder if guys in China or other parts of Asia realize how much attention and offers an attractive Asian women gets in the West and how much their own SMV shrinks

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

I wonder too. Previous to this, I knew one aussie guy who met and married a Chinese girl in China. Then took her back to Australia. I warned him not to but he just laughed. He was young and confident that she loved him. He told me he was really good in bed, especially at cunnilingus; and there was no way she would ever leave him.

In China he was "well paid" (Earning more than 10k a month RMB in the 2000's). He was 5'9" so "tall" compared to Chinese guys. He was exotic - a foreigner is less than 1 in 1000 in China. So he was a "catch".

Back in Australia, and he's no longer tall. He's no longer exotic. He has a clerk's job in an office - they are no longer well off. He's no longer a catch. He's just an average guy, and actually a little poor and a little short. Whereas she is now in demand (aussies love asians).

She was gone within a year. Basically she used him as a ticket out of there. She may not have intended to, but that's what happened.

A few years after this he went back to China, met another girl, and wanted a divorce (He hadn't seen wife for more than a year, but they were still married.) When he asked her she said yeah...if you give me $10K. Aussie dollars cash in hand on top of whatever she would get in the divorce. He thought about it and said yes. When he contacted her again, she said now the price is 100K. This would have wiped him out financially....basically zeroed him out at the age of 30+. He would have to start over, and with a new wife who was pregnant with his first baby (The first woman never manage to get pregnant. She may have been cheating him on that too; i suspect she was taking birth control because as soon as she got to Australia she had decided to jump ship.)

He came to talk to me, and this time it was my turn to laugh. I told him: She has a guy over there and sooner or later she will want to marry him to seal the deal. Do not contact her again, wait for her to contact you. When she does, tell her you've changed your mind, like the idea of still being married to her, and want to stay that way.

Within a couple of months she offered him a divorce for free..because she wanted to get married.

So anyway... I've already seen this happen once.

I don't think guys do realise how their values change. They're a bit naive. Also I think the girls don't always know how much things will change; they may genuinely "love" this foreign guy with the big nose (considered sexy) tall, strong physique, earning good money.. but when they go back to wherever and their guy is now average...their "love" changes. They see him differently.

[–]markdumte3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

and wanted a divorce (He hadn't seen wife for more than a year, but they were still married.) When he asked her she said yeah...if you give me $10K. Aussie dollars cash in hand on top of whatever she would get in the divorce. He thought about it and said yes. When he contacted her again, she said now the price is 100K.

Within a couple of months she offered him a divorce for free..because she wanted to get married.

Why do women tend to overplay their hand so much?

I've seen this happen repeatedly, even in my own family or relationships. They keep pushing until suddenly they force the situation so much they lose everything. I'm not sure if they don't see the obvious or if it just becomes and ego thing and they don't really care about the results but only about how far they can take it out of ego. I don't get it.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think they become used to being "the boss" ..because thanks to divorce rape, a lot of men eventually realise just how dangerous a divorce can be...so the woman winds up holding the reins of power. Unfortunately you never want unbalanced power in a relationship, over time it changes how they view themselves and you. It's often not till after a divorce that women come to their senses and realise just how much the husband she despised actually did for them.

Women who stay at home only see the work they do. Their husbands disappear for 10 or 12 hours a day and then come come, expecting to be fed or fucked.

Some women seem to think a job is "fun" - and perhaps it was for them if they worked in an office and loved chatting with all the other girls. So they unconsciously assume your job is fun too.

So in their minds they've been at home working while you've been out having a good time. Never mind that their "work", once the kids are older, is very reduced and can usually be done in 2 hours at most of constant work, or even less. (The work involved in running a house,especially once the kids are older, has been greatly exaggerated by feminists. Women themselves tell me it's easier to stay at home than to work.) Also they can take a break when they like, watch tv, go to the shops, etc.

But many men's jobs are not just physically hard but mentally hard too. (This is true for some women who work too.) But we go at it day after that because that's how we give to our family - we give them our lives.

Smart women get it. Dumb women don't; they over value the work they do and under value the work men do and so they are dissatisfied.

I think women over play their hand because being in a marriage is in some ways like being in a little bubble of unreality....you've got this person shackled to you who works for you and has to listen to you, even when you're being unfair. The courts in the Western world have put you in a position of power over him ...

It's not until the divorce is over and women go back to "real life" and realise how hard it is to work, how expensive things really are, and how other people don't have to listen to them when they're being unreasonable that reality sets in...

So..that's it; in some ways marriage is a bubble and the unreality of the situation causes them to overplay their hand because they overvalue it.

[–]Zyvoxx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Hey I live in Japan, probably similar to China, would just like to ask you if you think the trp applies as much in Asia as in the west? I ask this because the image I have of asians tend to be more truthful in that they believe in traditional marriage and all that stuff. To the extent of what I've applied myself, the trp seems to apply, but tbh I haven't done much.

I also wanna ask what you think about if a white guy moves back with a hot asian chick to the west, however the white guy is also high smv in his home country, would she stick around or actually try to find someone even higher?

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've never been to Japan so I don't feel I should comment, all I know is what I've read in the media or seen in movies.

If the white guy is high smv even in his home country, yes I think he has a better chance that she might stick around. But it's hard to be sure. She chose you when you were a "unicorn" ( a rarity) in her original country; women are always attracted to the exotic (This is a known biological fact called "exogamy" and is actually healthy.) So even if your SMV is also high in your home country, you've lost some value to her because you are no longer rare.

Would she try to find someone even higher? It depends on how high his smv is. If she feels satisfied, IE his value is roughly equal to hers, she might stick around. If not, then she's going to feel dissatisfied and sooner or later will jump ship.

I'm actually married to a Chinese girl and she's gone through several stages; at first she had no interest in leaving China; then when we had kids she wanted to go back so they could go to school there; now they are older and about to enter high school she's lost interest again and is happy to stay here.

I will never take her back because i have no plans to go back; once the kids have finished high school I will be moving on to a different country. Whether she comes along or not is up to her.

[–]antariusz5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Correction, no sex, no intimacy for you.

Women don’t go that long without sex.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Likely true. Im not in denial.

[–]Redpilledaccordingly20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

I would berate you but it's truly futile, and you've already learned your lesson. Sometimes a brutal divorce-rape is necessary. My only suggestion, stop hamstering so much. I do not know if it's her beauty that left you mystified but there was so many red flags. Personally, I would've demoted her to plate instantly after the discovery that she's 40,000 in debt. I would've set a budget on the wedding too. You're a man, have boundaries. You could've done so much better too that's the crazy part. You are the archetypal Chad. Pulling a debt-free, career-driven, beautiful chick would've been a walk in the park.

[–]NotAnotherSJWAgain7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I entirely agree. OP’s self characterization as the ultimate alpha rich bodybuilder is belied at every step by his ignoring of massive red flags at each opportunity. He acted consistently under a scarcity mentality, and closed his eyes for years to glaring red flags, and rewarded bad behavior with more commitment. In his mind the ultimate form of punishment was more “hard talk”. That being said he did come across a particularly bad apple too. Praise the almighty lord he did not have children lest his life be ruined.

[–]SJHammer 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

He had oneitus. It happens. And she was pulling typical narcissistic behavior. Its hard to identify when you haven't encountered it before.

[–]BirdManBrrrr2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't disagree but for a ton of us this shit is what leads us here to swallow the pill in the first place: we did everything right but she wasn't haaaapy and the whole thing blows up.

The RP change doesn't happen until we've failed and learned the lesson the hard way.

[–]WestyWorld13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

I really think that cohabitation should stop. It kills pretty much every single relationship in every single way. Sexually, emotionally... everything becomes boring. But society is still extremely brainwashed against this idea. Good luck finding a women who you can tell “by the way, I never want to get married and I want us to always live separately”.

[–]alchamest19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

My aunti and her bf did this, they were both older and divorced when they met, both already had kids and lives in separate towns ( about 1hr-1.5hrs distance ). They lived separetly for about 20years, honestly it is the best relationship i have witnessed.

They travel together, when they visit it is quality time and thats it. Its the way to go IMO, especially if you never want kids

[–]WestyWorld9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. I mean I’ve noticed it too in my own life. Anytime I’ve lived with a girl for an extended period of time romance goes down, sex goes down, fights increase. By contrast, when I had a girlfriend that lived 30 minutes away that I saw 1-2 times per week, both of us were much happier, really looked forward to meeting each other and often planned cool activities. But of course, she wanted to get married and have kids eventually and thought my idea of living separately was bananas.

[–]Merwebb8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude women are women. Thats it. Use the anger to fight this battle but don't stay there more than you should.

Good you didn't need a second marriage to see shit straight.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not angry at all. I'm enlightened and she has given me a gift. If this didn't happen i would have been a miserable bastard for the rest of my slave life.

[–]icepickjones5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the thing. I hate the anger that comes along with this sometimes. Women are leveraging their assets most of the time to the best of their ability, just like anyone else.

It's always your own fault for getting caught up in someone else's bullshit. Understand that you are your own being. They are their own being. No one can live your life for you and when you get out of this beta nutjob mindset where you mistake prostrating yourself for being a good partner and person, it's incredibly liberating.

Always just do you. And if in the course of doing you, you can find someone who's cool to go along for the ride then you are doing great. And if they bail, that's fine. Or if you want to bail, that's fine. Don't tie up too much emotion and don't tie up too much money, that's all.

I would have killed to know that back in my mid 20's.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Welcome to the club, brother. Glad to hear you were able to endure the madness; you are obviously strong of character. Thank God kids never came into the picture.

I am curious though, with everything you had going for you and your personality type prior to meeting her, how did you fall into the trap? It sounds like she wore you down, but do you think there was more to it? Did you have the urge to settle down and start a family, or did you feel like she was the one?

[–]Drazicc85[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was a combination of both. I thought i was getting old (clearly not), and i also wanted to have a family as well.

She just wore me down over time. Text book story really.

[–]Gozsayin3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

OP I'm curious most people on here talk about getting raped in divorce, what is your experience (I know you have no kids, but what about your house). I'm what to know better how these cases work

[–]Drazicc85[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hi, I haven't even launched proceedings. I'll provide an update when this all happens and is finalised.

However, i have already built my case with my lawyer and am awaiting some financial information from the bank regarding the mortgage before i kick the process off.

Reality is ill need to buy her out, and she will walk away with more money than she ever would have had without me. However, this is the way it is and ill be strategising to limit how much she gets. My approach is not to engage her or communicate outside of either lawyers or emails. I have blocked her number and facebook etc. she cant reach me easily.

[–]them1lfman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I may not know much, Bit I feel like you should unblock her and let her contact you. Record timestamp and keep every interaction them just wait for her to put her foot in her mouth.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't poke the bear.

[–]them1lfman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not saying he should contact her, that'd be a mistake. But if there's a chance she could make mistake I say let it happen.

Just the other day some guy got off a domestic assault charge from his wife because she was the type to gloat about her lies over the phone. The charge would have been a sure thing had he not recorded that call.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The red flags will be the same things I’ve experienced with this woman but being done by a new one. History repeats if you let it

[–]21ce8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Textbook example. Never. Get. Married. Never cohabit either. Especially when common law marriage applies. Unless she is very significantly richer maybe.

[–]Talisman642 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Good one dude I am happy for you Now fight that woman to the end and give her nothing.


There is a but Let's imagine that she realises that she can't get much from you,then tries to manipulate you into taking her back so you can knock her up.

It is a long shot but I suggest you start thinking that way.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

She wont be back man, she made a statement by clearing the house out while i wasnt there to rub salt in the wound.

Even if she wanted to change her mind, there is no way i would degrade myself to accepting her back in to my life.

[–]Talisman644 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro,you are only sure about how you will react(you wont taker her back) Best believe she will come back crying and rolling on the floor while promising you heaven and telling you lies the devil will be proud of. Don't bulge brother.

Same shit happened to my big bro she left for 9months,came back and then got pregnant for him

Now she wants to leave again.

[–]InformalCriticism2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most stories are the same, like yours, but it never ceases to amaze me how female nature can destroy everything.


[–]yummyluckycharms2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude - why as a consultant would you marry another consultant? Its the first thing they tell you not to do when you get hired because finding time to have a relationship with someone when you are working 80+ hours a week is impossible.

P.S - you sound canadian (1.2 million home that still had to be leveraged to the eyeball means your salary is low for global consulting standards but high for canada, which underpays its consultants). IF so, you need to start hiding your money like yesterday because divorce courts here take raping men to biblical levels. Equal earning power matters very little

[–]Drazicc85[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm from Australia and i have a very good lawyer. i know where i stand in my worst case scenario.


[–]fcb982922 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

TRP is not MGTOW.

TRP is not enough, brother. You are still in the line of fire from child support. Ask your lawyer. Those bullets can come back at you anytime in the rest of your 40 years on earth. You have been warned.

[–]tokinbl4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its all bitches man, bitches are replaceable and don't ever let them forget that shit.

[–]textualintercourse4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

High five!

No kids, entitled cunt is hard nexted, you lift, make good money, are stable, found TRP, for you, good sir, the world is now your oyster. Live and be alive.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the way i see it man - I have been given a second chance at life.

[–]SillyPutty471 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was expecting you to come home and find the locks changed. I really hope the divorce goes in your favour. With no kids involved you might be alright.

[–]UnpluggedDad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amen brother. I went through a similar situation except I have children. I was able to avoid the divorce-rape and am better off physically, mentally, and financially after the divorce.

We need an event like this to push ourselves into TRP.

[–]RandyBumgardner851 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It never ceases to amaze me how you can have a man and a woman both earning similar money and yet the man is expected to provide 90% of the cost of their living expenses (and agrees to go along with it) You dun goofed but glad to hear you've seen the light. I sincerely hope you can walk away with the majority of your wealth intact and the bitch is left with a pittance that she will inevitably piss up the wall in a matter of months.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve learnt my lesson Randy my man.

[–]Aurelian19601 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your eyes have been opened. They cannot unsee. You will find your path.

[–]yolodd1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Check out MGTOW for more redpills

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are lucky you didn't have kids to the scumbag. I wish you all the best dude and I hope you take away all the lessons from it.

[–]foogauzie 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

“i was a prime alpha male” you just had to put the word prime in to try to make yourself seem better than everyone else here? then “i was a blue pill kind of guy” as an excuse for your failure. can’t have it both ways when it’s convenient for you bud

[–]Drazicc85[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is meant to read as prime example. I have admitted my failure, and have made no excuse. I accept it, and have learnt from it.

Thanks for the response

[–]ucfgavin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

best of luck dude...you are lucky as shit you never had any kids.

edit: and whatever you do...remember this story. if its true, i would bet money that she'll come crawling back and try whatever she can.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly this story is true.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

scary how relatable this story truly is

[–]Witch-Doctor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice work man. I’ve been having a shit time lately with an experience with a girl and this was a great read and I’m glad you got it all sorted out!

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're lucky she moved out (thus fucked up the situation).

In case she stayed and used your blue thinking you could loose the house too. And pay her alimony until death.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We have no kids, worst case scenario i have to sell the house and pay her out.

Live and learn man.

[–]Alexinfinite010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man its terrifying how much this mirrors my experience

[–]help7575750 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First off thank you for the story, it's a good reminder to stay single and just have fun. I just hope you are not in California, I'm not a lawyer or anything, just seems like the blue states are just REALLY biased towards women. Good lesson learned...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats, man. Also:

Women are manipulative bloodsucking and heartless parasites if they feel they can get away with it.

Perfect way to end your story.

[–]AmatureProgrammer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn, sucks that happen to you. Keep us updated on your situation, man. Good luck out there!

[–]Ihatemoi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never Again D85. Welcome to a world of freedom and endless possibilities in TRP.

[–]nofap213690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sorry you went through that waste of time and love man.

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve been swallowing trp for close to 2 years, and it’s still not all the way down. It’s a process, not an event.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Im just curious but do you have any pictures of yourself from bodybuilding (maybe with your face covered etc)?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This went on for a year and eventually i caved in and we moved into an apartment together First BIG mistake. The warning signs that i had been a victim of false advertising started on the very first night we had moved in.

That my friend is what you call a Chameleon. Women are like blank canvases ready and willing to absorb all of your ideals. Of course, it works and you are utterly charmed by her. This is to get you in the door. Just like how women use sex as a loss leader.

Suggested Reading: The Manipulated Man

If i were to plot effort and affection over a time series then on this particular day it nose-dived to 50% of pre-committed levels. This was not just a reduction in the amount of sex and affection, but in general courtesy and behaviour.

Eventually Chad will succumb to a Dead Bedroom. Doesn't happen right away but first he'll notice her lack of receptivity and intensity. Then her lack of motivation. She disrespects you and gaslights all the way through this. As per the Betatisation curve, she's derailing your relationship from genuine desire to transactional desire. Eventually the affection is a reward/punishment cycle dependant on "what have you done for me lately?"

Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks isn't always separate. A woman will always attempt to turn her Chad into beta bucks. As per the betatisation curve.

When we moved in together she brought nothing, had nothing, and was in fact in $40,000 in debt.

And of course, therein lies her motivation for moving in with you and marrying you. To acquire your resources. AWALT.

One by one her friends start getting engaged and hitched. She is wanting the same. She begins to swing back to the lovely charming woman she had led me on to believe she was.

Of course. It's the best way to lock you down and secure your resources. And you'll notice as per transactional desire she will be back into Chameleon mode. But its only to ensure your commitment.

Basically i get pressured in to leveraging myself as much as possible to be able to buy this house (which i love). We buy our house (approx. $1.2m) in which i stumped up 90% of the capital.

At this stage you would notice bursts of affection and receptivity going up. As desire is now based on transactional. Of course it's only to get you to commit and cohabitate. She's locked you down. And most likely it was her who made most of the decisions in choosing the house.

until her best friend decides to dump her long term boyfriend because she is 'bored and wants to live', basically code for "fuck other dudes and be irresponsible".

In future, if you see that she has an enabler as a friend. Especially recently single. Run. But I also advise never commit yourself to a woman in the first place.

She comes home from work every day saying that her life is 'beige and boring' and there should be more to life than just working and paying bills. I start to get really worried here. Fast forward 2 months.

The brutal truth is that most likely this is where she went out and had lots of thirsty guys give her and the slutty friend attention. Thus inflating her female ego even further. What happens amongst sisters stays amongst sisters. She will take her ring off in the bathroom and act single. I've seen it too many times.

What happens over the next 6-8 months is text book. She checks out of the relationship, starts going out a lot partying with her friend, and basically drops the ball on her home-life. She just didn't care anymore, she was going overseas for work with her friend.

Of course she couldn't care because she had already locked you down. Divorcing you would mean her pay day. You were just her security blanket.

We barely talked anymore, there was NO intimacy, NO sex, NO anything. I was miserable.

Even Chad eventually hits the Dead Bedroom. The void of intimacy as a relationship goes from genuine desire to transactional desire. And once she's locked you down with marriage 2.0 You are effectively screwed and she has all of the power. She knows this and thus she doesn't have to try. Which is why you should never get married because you hand all of your hard earned resources, your dignity, and power.

In Conclusion: Learn from this costly mistake. Don't get married. Never cohabitate with a woman. Stand up for yourself. Walk away from bad deals. AWALT I can't stress that enough. You think you have a NAWALT but they are rarely ever consistent and then it turns to shit like this. All the time. No exceptions. Not even Brad Pitt could secure a long lasting marriage. The only difference is your betasation curve was at full speed and she broke you down quicker than most. Become a self serving man. You will never be happy when you serve women. Good luck on your Red Pill awakening.

[–]the_real_chronos_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

She starts spending loads of our cash on just rubbish. I'm talking thousands. In one hit. Multiple times. I confront her about and I’ll never forget what she said, she looks me dead in the face and says "Learn to deal with life. Don’t tell me what to do".

Holy fucking shit man I don't think I could handle this level of disrespect. I probably would have put down that bitch immediately. I'm talking like, just an instant beat down to the ground, violent bloodbath sort of thing.

Good on you for making it through that man, you are a saint.

[–]frerichnie 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

A lot of women derive pleasure and self-esteem from being parasitic and sabotaging men.

[–]Lambdal70 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What is redpill about this? Married a clinger who spends money (her own) on dumb shit and then she wanted the divorce? Sounds all pretty vanilla.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey man,

The point of the post is me discovering the red pill through my experience that I have shared.


[–]Librehombre0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


Remember your mom, sisters, grandmother and Aunts are all women and the red pill applies to them too. They are all someone else"s plate, wife or EX.

[–]1319Skew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry you had to go through that. You are always the most betrayed by the ones you bring closest to your heart. As a person that was shafted by his wife, I wish you the best in your ventures.

[–]ScaleRipper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good it all turned out well for you in the end. some guys have similar stories, but end up losing half their savings to these blood-sucking parasites.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A couple years ago stories like this use to be gut wrenching. Now I just read through them with a straight face and avery mild, toned down feeling of hatred.

This begs the question though, is this kind of horseshit the domain of women or specifically dysfunctional fucked up women?

If it's all of them on some latent level why would any red-pilled guy get married?

Any thoughts married/divorced men?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing wakes you up faster then getting the shaft, welcome to the club

[–]etucker5460 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you were involved with a narcissist

[–]1jb_trp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If i were to plot effort and affection over a time series then on this particular day it nose-dived to 50% of pre-committed levels. This was not just a reduction in the amount of sex and affection, but in general courtesy and behaviour.

Did you date and marry my recent ex-GF? HA

Sorry, brother. AWALT.

[–]GingerMinky 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You picked the wrong one. Not all women are like that. Next time. Blame yourself more and vet her like your life depends on it.

[–]chopcult2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

How true. Once men understand that we make all the relationship mistakes, it's our fault, and we have to do all the work, then everything will work itself out.

[–]GingerMinky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not true...I’ll tell first women can be toxic and greedy more likely than not. But his own admission of all the red flags can’t be ignored. Pick the right woman, vet her. Dump ones that don’t pass muster.

[–]patriargate-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

To me you did what is right, and you have no responsibility in this. Getting married and making a family is the natural order of things. We all need to have children. We can't afford to say "our women are bad, so let's all commit our race suicide". I say it: no pity for these bitches. The problem is that women only understand authority. And today they can get out with ANYTHING. I can only imagine how she ruined your life literally. I am for the use of full violence on this women, because law will never make her pay anything. But that's me, and i don't recommend it to you. I state it as a point for society, not for you. Look, Muslims would burn her face with acid or throw stones at her. I know that here no-one will ever agree... But let's face it : do they learn a different way?

[–]Supremexcoogi-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

The delusion is real,you was never a "prime alpha" lmao. If you was this situation wouldn't have happened. Nevertheless,I somewhat enjoyed this fairytale.

[–]Drazicc85[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Prime example, and yes I am my friend. It’s easy to spectate and analyse with judgment.

Thanks for the response