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This essay discusses what women really mean when they complain that they "can't find a decent guy" in the dating market.



There's a post on r-dating titled Where can I meet a genuinely good guy?, which sparked controversy among some men because the woman in question claimed to be young, fit, educated, and a virgin - a "quality woman" worth dating long-term - and therefore she didn't deserve to be mocked for wanting a "good man" like say, post-wall single moms wanting the same.

Now if we assume for the sake of discussion that she's indeed a snowflake and isn't some chubby bitch who uses God's Loophole to stay "pure", then to everyone's credit, she's not as bad as most other content posted. Nevertheless she deserved to be exposed for being part of the problem of her predicament and here's why:


Quality women who complain about being single have unreasonable expectations and they're extremely picky, and therefore they reject most decent men while whining that they "can't find a decent guy".


The more of a "good catch" she claims to be, the more she is chasing Chad, and she's rejecting the vast majority of decent men who would make a suitable partner all because he isn't the Chris Hemsworth or Morris Chestnut she thinks she deserves.

One of the reasons men were objecting to the post is because they use their personal experience of scarcity with women and mistakenly assume that women experience the same kind of scarcity whenever she complains about being single. Men in general only get meager amounts of attention and compliments from women, but women always have an overabundance of men vying for their affections. And this overabundance of attention and thirsty behavior causes women to have an inflated sense of self-worth, when their actual SMV may be much lower.

The other thing to remember is that women date up. So unlike men who are capable of dating women both above and below his SMV, once a woman gets complimented or fucked by a man whose SMV is higher than hers, she will feel entitled to men of equal or greater value, and will ignore any men she perceives is of lower value. This explains in part why many single moms won't settle even though they're out of their prime, and why fat women make demands as if they were supermodels.

So as it relates to our apparent snowflake, you can be sure that she has rejected numerous decent men who are a better match for her than she "feelz". But unsatisfied that her dating prospects aren't perfect enough, she goes online asking "Why can't I find a decent guy?", with those to whom she asks not knowing that her idea of a decent guy is Chad.

It's also worth mentioning that attractive women who complain about being single usually have that one guy friend who thinks the world of her, but she would rather string him along for attention and favors while giving the jerks a 5th chance to hurt her feelings. Then when she's hitting the Wall and the jerks still won't commit, she whines about how her dreams of marriage and a family are "out of her reach", as if the jerks she kept choosing were her only options.



Don't be deceived by a quality woman's claims of scarcity and "no luck" in the dating market. She has numerous Good Men who make themselves available to her for dating, but she rejects them because they're not tall enough, or handsome enough, or doesn't have enough tattoos, or doesn't make enough money, or is "too nice". Like most women in western society, her idea of a "decent guy" is the top 20%, and so she's ever chasing the most handsome, exciting man on the market and expecting him to have Nice Guy traits. But it's not until her SMV tanks and she needs a bailout does she want those same Nice Guys she rejected to "treat me with respect and honor as it should be".

And in many cases, these women aren't even "quality" women. They're 5s, 6s and 7s whose inflated sense of self-worth via an overabundance of attention makes them behave as if they were 9s and 10s. They need to lower their standards and reconsider those decent men who don't check off their laundry list of demands.


All that said, one good way that the Nice Guys can keep their date interested and committed is to give her the emotional push-pull dynamic by balancing being "nice" (attentive, compliments, flowers), and being a "jerk" (withdraw attention, criticizing her, not letting her have her way). If he's "too nice", she'll get bored and go back to the bad boys.

When in doubt, err on the side of "jerk".


For anyone interested, I created a sub called r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen which pokes fun at single moms and women who complain that they "can't find a decent guy".

[–]2Overkillengine147 points148 points  (16 children) | Copy

It's just like all those tech companies that complain about a shortage of good candidates for employment...

Always append the unspoken "at the wages they are willing to pay" to the end of those complaints.

It's just the whining of women either unable or unwilling to pay the necessary "wages" to lock down a quality man. Just being another cookie cutter thot does not count as a fair wage.

[–]2CasaDeFranco21 points22 points  (12 children) | Copy

I'm going to be contrarian here and agree with the statement, there are few good men.

To be a good man, one has to invest in his career, have varied hobbies and passions, be successful, taller and dress well.

90% of men do not do this.

To be a good woman, in contrast one only needs to reasonably friendly, employed and have a healthy weight.

There are far more female 8's than there are male 8's in the 20's age bracket.

Most good men are locked down in their early to mid 20's I've found.

[–]truedemocracy315 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Man this is true. But keep in mind - 20s. Work in any large office and the number of "above average" girls will far outpace guys, as they only need to be thin, have an ok face, and a decent personality.

However when you look to older ages you realize there really are so few attractive women

[–]2CasaDeFranco8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed, over 35 is death for women in dating dynamics.

[–]fastnail2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The wall hits them all...HARD!

[–]Marino4K0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s good to know my SMV will only continue to go up while the ridiculously picky women will go down

[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Considering women have increasingly higher obesity rates than men it evens out.

[–]marplaneit32 points33 points  (5 children) | Copy

I have an insta model body now that I cutted down to 8%, I am also in med school, after years of getting rejected, laughed at, always being the last option, etc for being a fucking nerd, now all these bitches think I am hot shit. Guess what? I am in a LTR with a not so hot girl that is the sweetest girl that I know, from a good family, anti-feminist, pretty smart, that take care for me, not tattoos, not a drinker, no a junkie, etc. All these thots that I know shame me, cause I am older (only 4 year older and she is 19), that she is not that hot, bla bla.

Guess what? I prefer a smart, sweet girl, that is fairly attractive than a used up whore full of drama, daddy issues, male hate feminist who is just slightly hotter.

[–]fastnail4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If I wasnt good enough for her in her prime, I am not good enough for her in my prime"

[–]Thinkforyerself1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alright, I get it that you have pent up and I get you. That was frustrating. As a doctor, I encourage you to focus on you and be the bigger person. People hot or not are all humans. Your girlfriend likes, loves you because you two were able to connect in the most kindest way.

Yes, the past hurts but it never makes for the future. Whether someone is having a bad day, you can be the bigger person and tell them their day will be great. Yes, you can’t save everyone but it starts with you, Mr. soon-to-be-doctor. Be a child’s/someone’s inspiration and encourage others to build their self esteem! :D

Whether you didn’t get that person’s prime, I bet you “whoever” is in their prime is riddled with low self esteem because you’re trying so hard to please everyone you forget to please yourself. If you believe obtaining someone’s prime will make you happy, my dear friend you are suffering from codependent addiction (addiction to control) because the only person who can make you happy is you. With your high self esteem happiness will you accept someone who individuates, therefore has the ability to love you. :D

And for pete’s Sake, stop using the “feminist” shit. You. Gotta be a guy who sets out and hunt feminists to even bother with feminists. Most guys I know don’t even talk about feminists. Why because they’re smart enough to NOT hang around people who use labels to name themselves. Da fuck... 3:

[–]dinnerwithfunions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And the only thing that makes her slightly hotter is probably her fake up and eating disorder.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dude.....you sound bitter!

You're referring to your gf as "not that hot" yourself, so wtf are you surprised when people make those comments themselves.

Let's hope we don't go to the same med school....

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

CasaDeFranco - Thats because women have not been emasculated obviously, Gynocentric western feminist indoctinated media, education and single mothers produce beta men in their millions so yes I agree with you.

It is our duty as men to spread the word of the red pill and the manosphere to literaly save mens lives.

[–]sonder_one5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

As someone who interviews in the tech world, "we don't want you because you're asking for too much money" is pretty much nonexistent.

There are grunt work jobs for which there are tons of candidates and the pay is low, but that's hardly work that should expect better, and nobody's complaining about lack of candidates for those.

The areas that are complained about are areas where too few can do the job, regardless of salary expectations. There's a massive skills mismatch problem in western society - too many gender studies majors.

[–]Sumsar011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cus linear algebra is tough man.

[–]MemphisBro 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

she’s ever chasing the most handsome

Have you seen the chumps girls in their 20’s hurry to settle down with

[–]wadsworthsucks26 points27 points  (11 children) | Copy

it's usually because he had the right combo of money, vertical height, and an asshole attitude.

[–]PID1_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I see these clowns all over the place. Nothing but basketball shorts, unshaven, shitty t-shirt, and that stupid flat brimmed baseball hat cocked sideways - all while their woman at least makes an attempt to look respectable, doing everything he didn't.

[–]wadsworthsucks4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

And he went to jail for drug possession with an intent to sell. HOW EXCITING!

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[–]Alleycat0-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I call it the Justin Bieber look, gets panties wet.

[–]RandomePerson0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Here's another thing I don't get about TRP: women who want tall, cocky men with money are seen as being gold-diggers, but a woman who actually goes for personality and other traits are seen as having settled for a beta. Let's say you have Chuck, who is only 5'6 and is a solid 5 on the face/body scale (discounting height) and an introvert who doesn't feel the need to dominate social settings; however Chuck is smart and funny, has interesting hobbies, is independent, and would be a faithful partner. Now let's say you have Chad, 6'2, built like an Adonis, very extroverted, can be a jerk. Chuck and Chad both make the same amount of money. However, the woman understands that her personality make clash with Chad's and that Chad would not make a good long-term partner. Chuck, in contrast, would be devoted and they'd share a lot of mutual interests.

Why is the woman shooting high if she aims for Chad, but somehow settling if she aims for Chuck?

[–]wadsworthsucks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They almost never stay with that guy, these days. They have a kid or 2 (or maybe 3), and then divorce him and take everything he worked for. Then they usually spend his money on jerks and thugs. I saw it too many times to count. I mean that is if you don't count the Cuckolds actively seeking out men to sleep with their wife/gf because they get a sexual thrill out of it.

Edit: typos

[–]rpsheepdog0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Not sure if this clarifies anything, but Chad is desired by more women which naturally makes him more desired by woman in question. That proof can go a long ways.

[–]RandomePerson1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

By that reasoning, a man who wants to create a happy and stable family should go for the money-grubbing HB9 who brings nothing to the table except her soon to diminish looks and penchant for infidelity, versus the solid HB6.5 who is smart, educated, easy to get along with, and would be a good wife and mother. After all. When given the choice, most men would choose the HB9, yes?

[–]rpsheepdog2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well men's and women's sexual strategies are different, also, I would say a man's sexual strategy would depend on whether or not he is RP aware.

When given the choice, most men would choose the HB9, yes?

I would agree, but it is very context dependent. A BB guy is thinking "oh wow I got this hot girl and I need to do everything I can to keep her happy" whereas RP aware Alpha sees the downside to dating the HB9 with nothing else to offer, and would plate her.

I think most RP guys who desire an LTR would have to agree that when deciding a long term mate there have to be some other factors other than solely looks, pending on the long term goals however.

[–]RandomePerson1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That makes sense, but it doesn't explain the hypocrisy of how men with less physically attractive wives are viewed compared to women with less physically attractive husbands. Here is a trend I see with men who subscribe TRP: a male who appears to have a wife of lower SMV is a failure, while a woman who appears to have a husband of lower SMV is just a gold-digging whore who is only with him for the money and probably rides the CC in secret. The man is expected to do better, because a successful man has a physically attractive wife. Yet no one thinks the woman should "do better". No, it is assumed that she embodies every negative trait. If a man "trades up", good for him; he's learning his value. If a woman "trades up", well the whore was bound to do it, AWALT.

[–]rpsheepdog0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well I think that is why most people call it a bitter pill to swallow, I dont think TRP is offering a solution to your observation, but learning it for what it is, and learning how to maximize how the system is.

I do think your observations are accurate generally speaking though.

[–]RandomePerson2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Actually, it seems more like TRP is trying to create this reality rather than accurately telling it like it is. Among men who don't even know what TRP is, no one seems to think that a man with a less attractive wife is a failure, or that a woman with a less attractive husband is just using his beta bux. There's that rare exception where a woman will be a solid 8 and a man is a 4, where the joke is he must have a huge dick to score her, but mostly this sort of thinking only seems to be present in either misogynistic men (so a lot of TRP) subscribers or, interestingly enough, bitchy "popular girls". Rarely do I read TRP men saying something to the effect of "if he's with her and she's not as good looking, she probably has more to offer in other departments, like being a supportive partner or good parent". It's usually some pseudopsychology. "Normal people" don't make much of it either way.

[–]1cappadocianhawk318 points319 points  (74 children) | Copy

Most people here, especially the ones who contribute a lot are "quality men". I consider myself a quality man also, 2 university degrees, own a business, good looking and fit.

Real problem is these "quality women" usually don't bring anything to the table except their good looks and pussy, and I'm not going to commit for something I can easily get by being a "quality man".

They are not in scarcity, they are just leeches looking for a man who will give in to their every demand because "they deserve it" but they also want the strong independent man. Basically Alpha Bux. She'll break up with you the moment you start going beta though, because "she deserves better".

Paradoxical, yes. But that's women for you.

[–]halfback910339 points340 points  (60 children) | Copy

I'm sure it's been floated around here, but did you see the article where a Wall Street stock broker explained to a "gorgeous" 25 year old woman (girl, let's call her what she was, a girl) who was literally writing in a column whining about "Only being able to get guys who make 250k, when really I need 500k to live a nice life in the center of NYC!"?

He explained to her, in finance terms, that she was a depreciating asset and he was an appreciating asset. So it made sense for him to rent, not buy.

[–]1cappadocianhawk158 points159 points  (40 children) | Copy

Being a pretty woman is easy, vast majority are born with it. Being a quality man takes years of hard work. Good thing is you don't have to be born with it.

In simple suppy and demand terms, there will always be more 20 year olds for me to use and discard when ( not if ) they get uppity.

There just aren't enough men in the top 20% for all the hot chicks, even if they are well educated or whatever. They need to step up their game, but with the masses pedestalizing them, why would they? Their unwarranted self importance is their worst enemy.

[–]The__Tren__Train43 points44 points  (3 children) | Copy

There just aren't enough men in the top 20% for all the hot chicks

and a good number of the 'hot chicks' aren't actually 'hot' sans makeup.

ive been stunned more than id like to remember

[–]dDiegoDLV26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

>a good number of the 'hot chicks' aren't actually 'hot' sans makeup.

THIS. With the makeup tutorials on youtube the average woman can give herself +3 with 30 minutes in front of the mirror. Some of these "8s" aren't even attractive to me without the makeup.

[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a saying I heard a while back on the Dick Show:

"She's not hot; she's just young."

Made me think about how many of the young, attractive women I see will look when they hit the wall.

[–]marplaneit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I also would say that what these girls call quality guys are actually top 5%. A quality guy is a good looking guy between 35-25, earning at least 6 digits, being somewhat fit (Not overweight), who dress somehow nice, not socially retarded, and having interesting hobbies is a plus. I know like maybe 10 guys like this and I am in med school where everyone is a high achiever.

[–]halfback91047 points48 points  (30 children) | Copy

The last part of your analysis was one that I hadn't heard before but makes sense on its face.

What you said reminded me of something. There was a weird itinerant philosophy preacher who visited my campus multiple times and spoke in public while I was in college. I couldn't nail down exactly what he believed, but he was one of the sort of proto-redpill people that got me started on the path towards the realization that this outlook was correct.

One poignant thing he said was "There is nothing that looks so natural on its face but is so unnatural as female-male sexual relationships. There is nothing that looks so unnatural on its face but is so natural as male-male sexual relationships."

He bought into the renaissance/humanist idea that true love could only be between two men because, according to him, women were entirely incapable of love. It was just an emotion/feeling that, if you looked at the definition, only men had and only men could have. What you said is similar to a lot of things he would claim. He also praised the way that homosexual culture approached relationships (sexual and platonic) in general. I.E. the idea that romantic relationships were ephemeral but friends were forever and how that was actually very much in line with Plato's philosophy (I believe it was Plato he cited).

EDIT: Upon recollection, as I pick more and more at the memories of this guy, he was into a lot of proto-versions of ideologies I would later adopt. He was into Calvinist prosperity gospel (i.e. if you are rich, it's because you deserve it and earned it and it's a good and holy thing to be rich). Which I would describe as a very blunted, cloudy form of Anarcho-Capitalism, an ideology I'd go on to adopt. Weird to think that this person may have inadvertently shaped a lot of my beliefs.

[–]1cappadocianhawk9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

I also consider myself an Anarcho-Capitalist, which explains most of my views regarding sexual marketplace. I view any human interaction as a transaction so I consider it a very literal marketplace.

That man you talked about seems like a great guy to sit and have a talk with, truly ahead of his time it seems.

[–]THEnimble_mongoose9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

lol everyone on reddit suddenly became an-cap cus of Stefan Molyneaux.

[–]1cappadocianhawk4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey I've had my philosophy degree for 8 years now, but I know the rising popularity of the subject so I understand why you made that connection. Wonder if we'll see any large scale results, though. Probably not for a few decades at least.

[–]TheSelfGoverned1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

From the growth of ancap ideas? In 2-5 years, tops.

[–]halfback9104 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

He was definitely thought provoking. He was a nice change from the "Repent! REEEEEEpent!" Guys with their megaphones. He drew a following, which I was a part of. He just made a lot of really good points.

[–]Westwood_12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fascinating stuff. Can you remember the guy’s name? I’d be interested in reading up on his work

[–]halfback9104 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't think he has work. He ranted, albeit articulately, outside on a college campus in a public area. One of those guys.

[–]Westwood_16 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

A modern-day prophet. Weird

[–]halfback9102 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of people do it at public universities where they can't be kicked off. They're usually crazy religious types, communists/libertarians, or animal rights folks.

This guy was a blend of the first two. Wouldn't call him crazy though. He just had a way of reconciling wealth with Christianity. Which definitely has a market. Because it's very comforting to wealthy people to be told "Don't change a thing. You're doing great and you'll go to heaven and be rich after you die too."

[–]rathyAro1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So what exactly do you think love is and what about men makes them capable of participating in it?

[–]halfback9104 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't agree with him 100% on the issue and he's not here to defend himself.

[–]a_desert_creature0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for sharing this.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Nice to see a fellow AnCap on this sub. Rothbardian deontologist, myself.

[–]halfback9100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, deontology is where it's at. Any system (like utilitarianism) that does not allow for objective morality is objectively terrible.

[–]TriggeringEveryone-1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy

One poignant thing he said was "There is nothing that looks so natural on its face but is so unnatural as female-male sexual relationships. There is nothing that looks so unnatural on its face but is so natural as male-male sexual relationships."

He sounds like a gigantic faggot to be honest.

[–]halfback91011 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

I mean, he claimed he was heterosexual. Think about it for a moment. The red pill is all about how female behavior is psychopathic at its core, right? I think that's what he was trying to say.

The most inflammatory things he said weren't even about sexual things. One of his favorites was to say "If you are poor, you deserve to be poor. It's a beautiful thing that the poor are poor."

On some level he was certainly a provocateur.

[–]TheRealJesusChristus2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

It is a beautifull thing that the poor are poor because that makes the rich rich. And if you want then you can become rich. You have to do the right things and sometimes have luck but the poor being poor enables you to become rich.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Contrary to popular belief their is no such thing as Luck, all "Luck" is, is opportunity combined with risk.

Luck = Opportunity combined with risk.

[–]TheRealJesusChristus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Luck is if you take a risk to an opportunity where you can win or lose and theres no way for you to tell what will happen and you win.

Lets say you play lotto: you can lose the investment. But when you are lucky you can win the prize. Thats what I mean with luck.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Poppycock. The economy is not a zero sum game. His statement might be true if he is referring to a definition by relativity/contrast.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Provocateurs are sometimes good as you remember what they mostly said and believed in...proof is you do.

[–]halfback9100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, provocateurs can be constructive. And there are different grades of provocateur-ism. People who just try to piss folks off and don't construct/contribute any knowledge or insight are just trolls. But saying offensive/disturbing/unsettling things in an effort to get people to challenge their preconceived notions (which is very difficult) is noteworthy.

[–]TheRealJesusChristus5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

This quote disturbed me, too. Its unnatural to be a fag period. Maybe man-woman is strange and seems unnatural but its the most natural thing to be. And when you say platonic relationships between men, yes they are great and all. But a man cant be as good as a woman in bed, alone because a woman is female and a man isnt. Thats reason enough. Some guys maybe have this weird fetish but I not. Men are completely unsexual for me and they should be for every man out there. Women are made to be loved by men. They are not made to love men, though, so dont fall for them (aka dont have oneitis).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think what he is saying is that men love for actual logical reasons and have true values and virtues like loyalty and unconditional love, while woman are all feel in the moment. So in theory bro-love would be the purest form of love... That being said their are times I hate the girl I'm with but im not gay so dude love has no appeal

[–]TheRealJesusChristus4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah men dont love unconditionally and totally rationally. When I was a bluepilled child in the beginning of puberty I was in love with a girl. We were kinda in a relationship, but not really officially (I was a pussy, she hit on me and I just let it happen, I cringe at my younger self, but Ok I was like 12).

After the summer hollydays when we met next (as I said I was a pussy and dint call or meet her), she was a bit mad about us not meeting but told me she would forgive me. And when I saw her forgiving me, I dint know, but I kinda hated her for that. And since then I was actively trying to get rid of her, which made her only more in love with me (I talked to other girls, I ignored her, etc). I didnt understand that and one day I told her in her face that I dont like her and she should go to other guys instead of wasting my time. She cried but finally let go off of me. She didnt have a boyfriend in her entire school time, and propably loved me until the end. I just hated her. That much to logic, rationality, and loyalty. I dont know about her now.

Of course I now know that I displayed a high SMV and kept frame and showed abundance mentality (even thiugh I hadnt any of that) and all what girls want (at least to her, the other girls I treated blue pilled as fuck), and I propably only should have given her what she wanted like the blue pilled guy I was at that time. That btw let me search for the misterys of the female mind which in the end led me here. So somehow she did bring me to red pill.

Just a little story from my life that proves my point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you, Unconditional love for men is bp aka oneitus. Any guy who is actually rp knows that "love" is just feels and should only ever be conditional. I don't think the speaker is that rp if he is talking about love in the first place. But I think he was saying in a perfect world a man's love would trump a woman's love. Just my two cents. Enjoyed the post

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TriggeringEveryone - Read The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi and you will see that women "Love" opportunisticly...Ie the man who has most resources makes her tingle.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Being a pretty woman is easy, vast majority are born with it.

Not really. I'd say less than 20% of women are pretty.

[–]1Ramesses_6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

He means IF she is pretty then she was most likely born with it. It's in contrast to a quality man who has to spend years working and building to earn it and isn't born with it.

[–]fastnail1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, your comment reminds me of this -

"A man is both the marble and the sculpter"

[–]botsquash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's plenty of men in the top 20%. It's just that when you get there, you find it's not worth much of your time/effort chasing tail as building yourself, doesn't mean you don't cop the easy lays along the way

[–]abnegavalence38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]GoodThingsGrowInOnt7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

"This has a better chance than finding a rich fool"

Damn that's poignant.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

He didn't go far enough. Never become a wallet for a woman. She shouldn't even be trying to calculate your income.

[–]a_desert_creature4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn. That last line is something I'd never thought of. Adding to the toolbox, thanks!

[–]BewareTheOldMan10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

...saw that article from the 25 year old NYC woman and the response from the Wall Street Broker.

The broker offered a solid and easily understandable response that did not sit well with the woman. My guess - the reference as a "depreciating asset."

Many women have the idea as they age, they gain wisdom and life-experience - all of which may be true, but these same women will also ignore biological reality and are frustrated when smart men who know better identify and recognize women's biological flaws due to aging, partying/drug use/binge-drinking, random sex, etc.

Intelligent men have tendency to be pragmatic, practical, and view major life-decisions in terms of cost-benefit analysis.

When negatives outweigh the positives based on scrutiny and detailed analysis - it's a "Hard No."

Takeaway - women do not have the luxury of "time to waste" when searching for a life-mate. The better technique is to begin at age 18 and focus husband-searching as a priority while continuously maintaining and improving SMV and RMV, in addition to their intellect (maybe college/vocational training) and wife-mother (domestic) skills, and be a woman of integrity and wholesome character. This makes sense to a smart man, he will notice, and initiate action to lock her in as a future mate.

I've actually seen smart women do this...one of who will marry late 2018. She met a good, stable, loyal, dedicated, and hardworking man in college - no other men, no man-hopping or carousel-riding, AND she has a degree in a STEM field. They are both locked in on each other and no one else.

The woman in the Summary Posting just HAD to wait until post-graduate studies to find a husband and is exiting her prime years.

The post-graduate and PhDs really come off as obnoxious and pretentious as they are in immediate vicinity of thousands of eligible men, yet will NOT consider ANY man as a candidate...basically rejecting everyone.

A campus of thousands of men, yet this woman could not find one.


She will not get to marriage while searching for men in bars...virgin or not.

[–]truedemocracy33 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

The thing is most women today have NO IDEA their relationship value depreciates sharply as they age.

Previous generations would tell this to daughters when raising them. But we are in the "you can have it all" generation, which might be the greatest lie told to women similar to "nice guy" was told to men. If you're a 25 year old woman who has been treated like a goddess her entire life then it makes sense that you think it'll only continue.

Nothing in your experience says otherwise. But they don't realize their window to find a good man and not settle is pretty small after that age

[–]adirp 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The thing is most women today have NO IDEA their relationship value depreciates sharply as they age.

I think they know it instinctively, but they hear so much BS and propaganda about focusing on career, not marrying/having kids until 30s, that they just don't think about it consciously.

They are told that they should explore their options and date around in their 20s before they settle. In other words, they are told to live their lives as men do. Well, that works for men, but obviously the strategy fails miserably for many women.

[–]truedemocracy30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The 'oh shit' switch flips right around 27 for them. But I'd say about half of college educated professional-type women at 24 still want to 'find themselves' and 'travel'.

They don't realize that your mid 20s can go by in an instant. Guys dont have the same fear until maybe their mid 30s if they want a family/kids.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

truedemocracy3 - Most western women today are not worth marrying, they are feminist indoctrinated have no domestic skills and have big daddy government handing them cash and prizes while a man gets divorced raped.

After every hard days work you would arrive at your house but you won't be entering a home but an arena where she sets the rules and the fighting starts because shes entitled and wants equality...the modern women is just not worth it.

[–]truedemocracy30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not saying I disagree. But if you want to have kids your best chance of that being successful is to marry.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right....because it's so easy to find a man to settle down with. It's not like we can just go shopping and buy us a great husband. Are women supposed to just lower all of their standards just to not end up alone?

Also, we know that our "perceived" value declines with age since looks seems to be only thing most men seem to pay attention. Each woman has a story in which she was ignored by a guy just for him to hit on her more attractive friend. Most women are not stupid enough to not recognize their looks decline with age which is why they try to lock men down early on or I guess settle for whoever is willing to take them.

However, I think people overestimate how great relationships truly are and sometimes it's just better to decide to spent your life w/o a partner if the only option left is settling for someone in order to play husband and wife rather than finding someone who you genuinely connect with. On a serious note, I'd rather spend the rest of my life single than choose someone I either find physically or emotionally repulsive. I'd like to think men operate on a similar note...

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read this one years ago. It was great.

[–]von_dutch 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If you could find a link, that sounds hilarious

[–]tokinbl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol anyway you can link to that. I'd love to read it.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I saw that and it spsot on...women age like milk and men age like fine wine.

[–]HobbitForest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I remember that article, I'm a pretty cynical person but holy shit her sense of entitlement (" Only being able to get guys who make 250k, when really I need 500k to live a nice life in the center of NYC!" ) made me feel ashamed for her.

Like as if she was comfortable being a gold-digging whore so openly. Glad I don't live in NYC holy shit.

[–]cowpantz18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

This right here. Quality men usually meet quality women and get married. I was thin and awesome. Married and kids. Wife has bad depression. I got fat taking care of a sick wife and two kids and a career and a Business.

Women stopped looking at me. Poof years later. I’m fit tall successful and rich. My wife got help and things are great.

I do the errands and I’m in the community. I get a lot of attention from the 22 to 40 year olds. This sub gets it. I was blown away. Everything I read is the same thing. These women think vagina is a trading currency. Guys who are attractive and successful in there 30s can do as they please and these women with no substance have nothing to offer other then pussy. It’s scary how accurate this sub can be.

[–]simpleafk17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women ain't shit lol because most of those that I've met have yet to impress me. They contribute nothing and bring nothing to the table. Funny story, one of my best friend is this asian guy. His white gf broke up with him a month ago because she felt like he wasn't going anywhere in life. She wanted to branch swing because she thought she had better options. She contributes nothing but a hole. Little does she know he is actually one of the wealthiest people I know. His great grandchildren will never have to work a single day of their lives until the day they die. She doesn't know that because he goes out of his way to act poor. He knows the power of his money and the people that it attracts. His ex gf would have had the good life but too bad she decided to branch swing. The branch she was on was the highest she would ever attain. As his friend, I made sure to red pill him as much as I can.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your Asian friend is a smart guy.

[–]TheReformist9430 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know what it takes this sub to get it,but women don't want to find a man.its just a tactic for women to justify hopping from cock to cock. The CC is what they love best,not relationship.internalise and understand they dont give a fuck about your commitment

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TheReformist94, Women do give a fuck about commitment and its after they hit the wall and men don't pay them attention anymore.

[–]The_Noble_Lie10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

So...they are not quality women. Surely, a quality women brings more to the table than looks and a v.

I know you quoted "quality" so you are aware of this, unless you quoted for another reason. The reality is there are probably a lot less quality women than quality men.

[–]stonepepe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow totally agree with this

[–]Alleycat00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Too smart for his own good.

[–]Luckylancer960 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What do you expect her to bring to the table? What man brings is not what man wants from women. Her beauty and quality sex is very important thimgs a woman can bring to table.

[–]1Jaereth9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

What do you expect her to bring to the table?

I wouldn't even consider a girl who wasn't a professional when I was dating. Hard and fast rules I had:

  1. No women older then me because why would I if I don't have to?

  2. No kids. Period.

  3. Must have some manner of professional career

Use those as your guidelines for a while. Instantly disqualify anyone who doesn't check all three. You're quality of dates goes WAY up.

[–]Luckylancer960 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

First 2 are must have for everyone. But why do you expect a professional career? I think common sense aroud here says career is important on men (AF/BB. Boht needed for ltr).

[–]1Jaereth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't mean I don't have a professional career, I do. I just wanted my partner to have one too. Shows you are stable and know how to "play the game" in the world.

A lot of women can satisfy rule 1 and rule 2. To me, never having held a job for more than 6 months and going from mall job to mall job is another red flag. Bad decision making, not looking out for your own future, etc.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon133 points134 points  (2 children) | Copy

The more you listen to women's problems the more you realise the answer is to laugh and point.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

And women week seek new problem if they don't have enough to keep themselves emotionally balanced. It's up to men to stand up to this sort of behavior. They will boo-hoo about how the ban-men try to control them and then--boom--they have balanced their emotions again.

Women need ALL emotions or they start falling apart--the good, the bad and the ugly. Men can survive on a fun stomach and wet cock indefinitely, if that's all they have.

[–]2kevin32[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what's happening over at r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.

[–]IwannaFocus80 points81 points  (6 children) | Copy

You just don't waste your time on entitled overgrown children at all - period. The game is not worth it because inherently these women are self-destructive in pretty much all relationships.

They want a tiger. A free spirited tiger that cannot be tamed by anyone else but her (female fantasy). But see, there's a problem here - she wants control (safety of not potentially losing him to another). Thus, she'll do everything in her power to pull out the tigers fangs in order to have him on lockdown. Once she's done so she will end up losing all the tingles for him anyway, and - if the age is still sufficient, move on to the next prey. It's a very parasitic behavior that they themselves don't really understand - few ever will.

But pulling out a tigers fangs is not that easy - it takes a true seductress with a knack for manipulation and experience of using feminine power on men. It cannot be done by a defect man in skirt who is more akin to a amalgamation of male and female, rather than just female. Acting too much like a man is off-putting because that's not what men desire - we have male friends for that kind of thing.

Tigers love freedom and are seldom willing to bow down to somebody in order to lose it. It must be done willingly by the tiger himself. He needs to be the one pulling out his own fangs, otherwise he will never be tamed. Who do you think this tiger will pull out his fangs for - the feminine female that 'puts him above others', or the masculine competitive female that ends up putting him down and arguing with him on everything? These "where have all the good men gone to?" women are pretty much the definition of betas/simps/nerds in the female world. Still, it's not really a good comparison because even these 'beta females' still have it easier than male counterparts due to male thirst these days.

Question; Should a tiger ever pull out his fangs for somebody in the first place?

[–]Paladin290320 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

He needs to be the one pulling out his own fangs, otherwise he will never be tamed. Who do you think this tiger will pull out his fangs for - the feminine female that 'puts him above others', or the masculine competitive female that ends up putting him down and arguing with him on everything?

Man, this deserves an award. When I was purple pill, I dated this uppity smart ass girl that was ALWAYS competing with me. Everything had to be her way.

She was cute, so I put up with it for a while, but it got to the point where I didn’t even want to be around her, and that’s when it ended.

A relationship is supposed to be a partnership where you help each other, not a competition. This is what most of today’s masculinized girls don’t understand.

There’s no bigger turnoff than a girl that acts like a competitive dude. The scary thing is, when I was younger, I probably would’ve just kept dating her because she was cute.

Now that I’m older, and see things through a red pill lens, it wouldn’t last more than a few days. As soon as I saw a sign like that, I was out. A girl like this will eventually destroy you.

[–]DrankOfSmell1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ah purple pill, I was thinking I was red pill or something until I read this term. It more accurately describes me because I haven’t put red pill into practice yet. I’m in this phase where I’m a little off put about persuing any women at the moment as I lose more and more respect for them through research.. Still climbing the hill before I reach the summit of putting into practice what I’ve learned and getting back out there.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

DrankofSmell - Thats a good strategy you have worked out.

Maybe this knowledge will assist you as well -


[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Question; Should a tiger ever pull out his fangs for somebody in the first place?

Never. It is a matter of pride. A tiger is a king of the wild. A king is majestic. To be majestic is to be strong. Removing a tigers fangs diminishes his majesty - making him look like an overgrown kitten.

Always have Pride. Everything can be taken from a man, but his Pride cannot.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

My ex 'used' me to go from a shitty social situation to a way better one, once there, she begun looking for better men until she forced a break up.

Thing is, 'better man' didn't want her like i did for commitment. They just wanted sex and they weren't stupid enough to commit to a cheating whore.

She though she owned the world but she was just naive, now she's almost at her 30's and married a trucker who will be fucking several different whores across multiple different cities while she's at home and guess what? She'll keep trying to escalate socially, she'll keep atempting to get that one guy.

My sister is in the exact same boat.

Good luck to them lol. More and more men are awakening to this crap.

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

More and more younger men are waking up to women's crap.

[–]askmrcia102 points103 points  (4 children) | Copy

I really really wish some of you guys were flies on the wall this past weekend where my fundraising group was chatting and drinking.

It was so good my friend even recorded the conversation (was thinking about uploading it here, but not sure due to privacy shit).

Anyways these girls all in their 30s were validating everything and I mean everything that was preached on this sub.

Girl number one - 33 year old. As we were drinking we started talking about all the drama within our fundraiser and rec league group. Basically who was sleeping with who and who was getting screwed over, ect...

Girl number one admitted flat out how she was wild in her 20s and after her recent ex (who treated her like shit, her words) left her she had a small slut phase from ages 28-30. Now she found a guy (beta) who was tall, athletic built and married him after one year. Popped out two kids with him and proceeded to tell us how she can't stand being around him most times. Won't go into too much details but she basically was saying that he was too nice, always wants her around (don't want her going to parties and bars alone) and texts her often. Not to mention this girl still hangs around with her ex A LOT as in she goes on trips with him and her traveling flag football team. Yes they play on the same team still to this day. One guy on the team is also her "best friend" and everyone that knows these two knows that the guy likes her. I'm almost positive they banged along. Like it's so bad the current husband nearly got into fights over it because the best friend would call and text her often.

Girl number 2 - she wasn't there but she's also been past around the co ed rec league. Remember the guy who was the best friend of girl number one that I mentioned above? Yea he pumped and dumped her and she too ended up marrying a beta after one year of meeting him.

Girl number 3 - she is 33 and single and desperate to marry. Yes she says there's no quality guys out there and all the guys she meets are broke and lives with their mothers. She's a teacher with debt so all the guys she meets don't make $80k+. She's on Bumble with her crazy high expectations and she's currently trying to get with a guy who was there drinking with us. The guy currently has an on/off girlfriend and I know him, so yea he's pumping and dumping this post wall chick. Oh and it's important to point out that she only talks this way around a select few. Catch her in public and she will tell any of you how happy she is being single and having no kids.

Girl number 4 - also 30+ year old single chick who was complaining about no good men around. She too mentioned her flings during her twenties. This one is easy on why she can't attract anyone.... She's fat. I didn't say it, to her face, I just told her expectations were too high, which they were.

I can keep going. Seriously I know way too many post wallers in this social group. I mean it makes sense, why else would women who were really never athletes themselves join a rec co ed football league where we all go out drinking afterwards?

If you understand the wall, then you understand the redpill. The older women get, the more desperate they will be to marry. If they complaining about not being able to find a high quality male then they truly have no one to blame but themselves.

[–]TimmyD8012 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

This happens. I have a female friend 29 yrs old who is divorced with three small children and she will only date educated men who make good money and who’ve never been married and have no children because she doesn’t want all the baggage. She thinks she is quality. She’s not and I have tried to tell her to date men who have the same baggage as her or to date older men. She says older men are always delisting with her but an is not attracted to them. The younger men or men her age all end up just having four week long relationships and then ghost.

[–]BewareTheOldMan14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Divorced 30 year old woman with THREE small children?

Sounds exactly right - no intelligent man would sign up for that, especially after seeing how she either dispatched her Good Husband or was such a shrew the husband couldn't stand one more second in the same house.

Smart men smartly avoid being the next victim to get divorced, placed on child support, and relegated to "weekend/summer father" status.

I'm not assuming the husband was a saint, but most men with three kids are generally focused on making their marriage work...if for no other reason than to be a Good Father to their kids.

[–]thewrecker813 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

I also think a secondary reason a lot of women push for marriage is they're just tired of putting on the show. Selling the idea they're a unicorn, the nymphomaniac, they're this, they're that. There's a reason pretty much every guy who's either married or was for any length of time says their wives are nothing like they were when they dated. I was married and I agree. Not long ago I was talking with my brother and he was saying how before they got married she loved blowing him. She would do it on command. Now all he hears from her is "no it makes my jaw hurt".

[–]ProductivityMonster6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is most women never really had to grow up until they get old/ugly and life smacks them in the face. They live their lives in a bubble, act like insolent children all day, and get away with it until one day, that shit don't fly. Then you hear the complaints when they realize that life is pretty damn brutal and they're about as interesting as a wet rag (if they even get to that realization).

[–]adirp 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Women don't understand men, period. Not only that, but they don't make an effort to understand what we are looking for. As a result, when they are on the dating market, women only think about what they want, when really they should be calibrating their behaviour to match what their dream guy would be looking for.

I see this on RPW all the time. Just go look at the posts. They have all these requirements. A favourite of mine: guy has to wait months before sex (until commitment), BUT he better not be sleeping with other women in the mean time! I've given myself so many facepalms I have scar tissue. This very topic was recently brought up:

The top comment has it right, but then you have other delusional users there. A lot of these women are structured, and really no fun to be around. Having recently been on a date with a woman like this, basically everything flowed naturally until she said something like enough kissing for the night, I will only kiss you again for our goodnight kiss. She literally said I play hard to get. Translation: she plays games. Where's the fun in that?

To go to the extreme, I found the following post:


That 16 year old girl has some serious girl game compared to women aged 25+. I would probably have more fun on a date with an inexperienced deaf girl than I would with one of these structured women.

Don't fall for the "quality woman" con guys. Spend your time with someone who's passionate about you.

[–]BewareTheOldMan8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

...one RPW commenter did note the point of consistency - highlighting that if a woman is NOT a virgin and did not make other men wait for sex, that men resent this tactic/female strategy.

Damn right!

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women don't understand men, period.

They don't want to understand them. They just navigate their own world and them become bewildered when their behavior somehow gains negative attention.

[–]1dongpal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They don't want to understand them. They just navigate their own world....

...because then you are in their frame.

[–]DrankOfSmell3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Patrice O’neil had some gold related to this.

Went something like “It’s okay if we don’t fuck, but I don’t wanna not fuck”...

Meaning when you both know it’s off the table, the spark is gone for the man and it goes against what a man is, to be okay with that deep down and still feel the same way about spending the time with her.

It’s not necessarily that it doesn’t happen, it’s knowing that the woman has decided in her mind it won’t happen ahead of time.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove46 points47 points  (6 children) | Copy

When a woman asks "Where have all the good guys gone?" what they are really asking is "Why isn't Chad willing to commit to me anymore?"

They spent their 20s shooing away commitment from worthy men like one would swat away flies, assuming that their looks would never expire or decline and they could settle down any time they want with any guy they want, becuase why not, look at all the attention Chad is giving me now!

Fast forward a few years and they hit the wall and see all their friends settling down and are ready to do the same, only it turns out that the Chads who gave them attention in the past and were willing to commit are either 1) Married 2) Taken 3) Dating Younger Women Instead 4) Not interested anymore

She doesn't get it. "But they gave me all this attention in the past and were willing to commit then! Why could they possibly not be giving it to me anymore?" She knows deep down its because of her declining looks and the wall but feminism has brainwashed her to believe that isn't the case. She gets frustrated and depressed and turns into a man shamer. "Why won't you man up and commit to a mature woman like me, instead of those young stupid bimbo sluts?" They don't get it and it turns to "Ugh, men are such pigs!"

The problem is that there are plenty of men willing to commit, the problem is that these guys are below her standards. Even though the same quality of man no longer gives her attention, she still has not reduced her standards from when she was in her prime. Golly gee, since Chad gave her attention in her prime, she still expects the same attention now. Nothing less than what she got in her prime will do. The thing is, she won't get it. She can hold out, but the clock is ticking. She is finally forced, against her will, to lower her standards because its either these guys below her standards or have no kids. She has to swallow her pride and take the best beta she can get. She marries the dude, has kids and has to tolerate him. Dead beadroom, no affection, no passion. Just long enough until she can divorce him.

[–]p_and_q31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

The simplest (and my personal favorite) answer to "Where have all the good guys gone?" is, "When has good ever been good enough?"

[–]lala_xyyz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mine is "They left with all the good women." It just freezes their brains.

[–]SickOfIt5182 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

And post divorce they almost always have to settle for a downgrade.

[–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

...post-divorce - they WILL settle for a downgrade, assuming they can even land the next victim.

[–]BewareTheOldMan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

More on: "When a woman asks "Where have all the good guys gone?"

They don't realize it, but what these women are absolutely admitting is that Good Men were in fact available earlier in their life, but they either "weren't ready for marriage" or simply ignored these men altogether - mostly with the idea she can swing back and pick him up later AFTER all the man-hopping and carousel-riding.

The joke's on them when these guys either move on to a better, more appreciative, and understanding woman or these former orbiters have zero interest.

If a former orbiter is good enough for you later, he was good enough five to six years earlier and while in that woman's prime years.

To select a former obiter years later is just insulting.

Congratulations - you are Selection #24 in the 16th Round of a 24-Round Draft Selection. <Cue Sarcasm>

[–]botsquash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tldr, because as a women gets older, now men think she is below their standards

[–]RedPilledRoaster23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

These men are ‘decent men’ in their own minds, when in reality they are not men at all. They are pathetic betas who are not handsome, do not have their shit together, and overall have a “woe is me” view about everything, especially about women.

By “a decent man” these girls mean a guy who will both give them Chad tingles and beta bux, an abnormality which is as rare in the modern world as a hot mid 20’s virgin. This is due to the way gender dynamics have changed. A few decades ago this type of man was common. No longer.

Now, a vast majority of the men who can give Chad tingles do not want to be used for beta bux anymore, and a majority of the guys who willingly give beta bux will probably never give Chad tingles. Therefore a “decent man” is certainly hard to find.

But hey, they did it to themselves. Most alphas no longer have any desire to dedicate hard earned money (and emotional stability) to women who talk and joke about their hypergamous tendencies openly, and can cheat without social repercussions.

[–]justgotalpha33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

A true quality women is EXTREMELY hard to find...They all claim to be high quality and inflate their smv higher than it really is...trust me ALL of them ...

[–]mrbluesdude36 points37 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah a nasty side effect of Tinder is literally every 6-7 thinks she's a 9-10, it's becoming impossible to find any women who are not borderline delusional with their expectations. Fucking Disney movies all programmed this into them too, sucks we all grew up watching that bullshit propoganda

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy

sucks we all grew up watching that bullshit propoganda

Not just disney, but reality TV, sitcoms, american idol. One of the biggest pieces of networked evidence that I have for a social-programming conspiracy is the way all our mainstream media follows the same behavioral themes.

Humans are programmable via external influences. Most humans fail to understand this or simply don't have the physical intelligence to comprehend the variables at play and why they should be concerned.

I believe that this social programming is deliberate with the intention of doing a number of things:

  1. Create dissonance within the population
  2. Reduce population growth
  3. Reduce long term financial security of individuals and family units

All in all this creates a population that is much easier to control and profit from if you are the wealthy elite.

This large body of western women are not evil, they are simply dumb suckers without the tools or motivation to overcome the toxic cocktail of social programming, neurochemical influences, and epigenetic inclinations being forced into their being from the moment they squirt out of their mothers.

[–]ozenmacher6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with this observation wholly, and I vet for women based on how much they are in "tune" with modern society and technology. And honestly, it is super easy to know even after a few minute conversation. I am thankful as hell I live in Alaska because the "quality" women aren't out there shopping, watching movies, and being vapid in general, but are out camping and hiking and fishing, away from the societal BS. I have met some fantastic and non-delusional "traditional" women here because of that.

[–]GoodThingsGrowInOnt4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think it's that deliberate. I think the media is just pandering to the most basic desires. Is McDonalds trying to make people fat? Are free refills part of a conspiracy to destroy America's health? No, they're just giving people what they want.

You're American so you have no idea what "doing things right" and "serving the public interest" looks like. Americans can't even comprehend anything past the personal profit motive.

I see this even in online video games. I go on a lot of American servers and they'll exploit the meta so they win every round, and it's okay because "fuck you, I've got mine." I go on European servers and things will be a lot more fun and even (except the 150ms latency) and if things are imbalanced and I point out "this is super stacked and unfair", people will think, "gee, you're right" and even the teams. I've noticed American players care a lot more about winning, and Europeans care about fun. These are Europeans from countries that are just as productive in their work as American labour, just in a video game they tend to aim to produce entertainment, rather than victory. It seems like the only objective Americans are capable of conceptually grasping is personal triumph.

Good things take effort. Bad things do not. If you have bad things, it is because people are failing to put up the necessary effort to have good things, not because they are making an effort to make things bad.

[–]mrbluesdude1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly how I feel as well, I think you hit the nail on the head.

[–]kasper1381 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's to sell them shit. Why would they want to reduce financial growth or population growth? You're not making any sense. Women buy shit, they are competitive as fuck with each other. The shift is measurable in dollars. If a man could fuck in a cardboard box he wouldn't buy a house.

[–]justgotalpha4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They think they are 9-10s due to all the attention they get from simps on insta,FB, snap etc go to any 6-7 social media and you will see the THIRST!!

[–]syn1us6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

All the women I know who complain about that are massive sluts.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy


lol that thread is just one huge hamster wheel of broads shaming the dude for getting straight to the point. look how pathetically they defend themselves. its sad, dog, its sad

[–]francisco_DANKonia5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

In short, if she is a decent girl who can't seem to find a decent man, she has decision making problems.

[–]THEnimble_mongoose7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're socially programmed to be this way by the media. Women are herd creatures. They see an influential queen bee do something on TV, they will want to do it too.

[–]Dethklokk18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've recently met a girl that apparently was in the same major as me during the same time I went to college. We are both mid twenties. 8 body, 6 face due to bad gentics (abs but has a droopy face and hooked nose). She is a quality woman by all accounts; solid family ties, doesn't drink, stem major thefore good money maker and has mostly female friends. I thought about pursuing and she has shown IOIs but (aside from facial looks) I just couldn't bring myself to do it. She was in the group I hung out with last weekend and I think I figured out why. She's boring and can't keep a conversation going. It's like talking to a wall. I'm sure she'll get somebody eventually but I think some of these "quality" women are just uninteresting.

[–]1dongpal5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

it's always the girls with the hooked noise who remain loyal, dunno why

[–]Dethklokk19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's easier for them to see what's in front of them.

[–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's the concept of receiving "unearned benefits" - that men must do ALL the relationship work because "she's the female"...right?

Men know better - men have to put in work EVERY. DAMN. DAY - or they get zero attention or notice from women.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

If a guy exists that has 80% of the qualities that women say they want, He is likely gay. The combination of things on their supposed with list simply can’t exist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I saw a while back some study- if you ask men for a list of ideal attributes that they want in a partner and then tell them they can have a girl with 80% of these attributes, most men will consider her a “catch.” If you do the same with women, most will consider this to be “settling.”

[–]tosayhello9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Most women are used up after 26. They slut around, didn't want a good guy, and now nearing 30 want a beta. I say forget about those girls. You don't want to be the chump to marry them after all the other guys had a turn. You don't want to walk into a bar with her and some other guy thinks to himself "I remember sleeping with her, glad I have this innocent good wife now"

[–]Paladin29037 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. This is what most guys, that are wifing-up these “30’s” girls, don’t understand.

By the time she gets to you, she’s damaged goods. She’s too jaded, used up, and it isn’t going to turn out well for you. In my opinion, if a girl hasn’t found a guy, by the time she’s 30, there had better be an immensely good reason for it.

For instance, like being sick for 3 or 4 years, her last boyfriend died, taking care of a terminally ill mother, or some shit like that. There’s only a handful of legitimate excuses.

Any other girls that fall in this category are simply the damaged goods that no one wanted — mostly likely because of huge behavioral problems. Also, if she’s cute, then she’s really fucked up.

For a cute girl to get to that age, without some Chad snatching her up, then the problems are immense. Stay away.

[–]Marino4K2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This just spoke volumes to me.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The double standards in regards to men and women when they having issues finding a partner is infuriating.

A male in his teens or twenties or even 30s, mentions how he would like to have a GF and so so many bad experiences with women make him feel he is destined to die alone. He'll receives nothing but scorn , hatred, mockery or outright character assassination

A woman complains about this with men after riding the cock carousel for 15 plus years. Nothing but reassurance and sympathy and support.

IT IS FUCKING INFURIATING. I honestly want to flee to Asia if possible because western society is circling the drain.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

How is Chad not a decent man? What you’re describing sounds more like a cuck than a ‘Good Man’ tbh. If you aren’t tall, or naturally goodlooking, compensate. Nature does not want inferior male specimens inflicting their inferior genetics on their children via intercourse. This is unfortunate for some, but you can still get laid if you quit being bitter about female hypergamy and get in the gym/wear nicer clothes/have more money.

[–]2kevin32[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

How is Chad not a decent man?

Because generally speaking, the "hotter" a man is, the more selfish and jerkish he is, and the less capable or willing he is to commit to a woman. Very few men are both handsome and chivalrous.

If more Chads were decent, then women would employ an "Alpha Fucks, Alpha Bucks" strategy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good and evil do not exist. It is true that being born with a talent, makes you develop both positive and negative traits, and it is also true that being born devoid of any talent whatsoever, makes you develop both positive and negative traits.

The ‘Chad’ can be too complacent, his poor work ethic can cause him to fail in life, despite his blessings, and his overbearing nature, while being warm and fun for some, can alienate him from more meaningful relationships.

The talentless man has to work for everything, this is undoubtedly positive, but this man is almost always accompanied by bitterness, a resentment for those who find easy the things he must spend sweat and stress over. He will only rise above his lowly station when he abandons this resentment, and makes do with what he has.

Thankfully, an individual almost always has one trump card, one thing they are talented in. Life is hard for everyone, it’s just a matter of perspective. Go beyond good and evil, and become a powerful human being, that’s what I want for myself, and for everyone else here. Not bitterness.

[–]AudioAssassyn9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are like 6 girls I sit near at work that all seem to be indefinitely single. 3 of them are quite attractive, they're smart enough to be able to carry on a conversation, one is even musically talented. But over two years around them and they never seem to be in any committed relationship. It's either "I'm kinda talkin to this one guy right now" or stone cold single. I've never heard any of them refer to a "boyfriend/fiancé/husband". And that's because one of two things is happening (or even both). They think they are god's gift to the world, and they're waiting for 9'5" Chad to come along, who is also rich, talented, highly athletic, is a charmer at times, and a badass at others, popular, perhaps even semi-famous, and ready to shower her with a princess lifestyle. OR, the guys realize there's nothing truly special about any of them, so they get their dicks wet a few times and let it fizzle out before moving on to the next plate. I guess I'll play devil's advocate and even say a secret third option is they're well-aware of the male/female dynamic in today's society, and are absolutely thrilled to be riding the CC knowing full well the fun will end one day and they can then think about finding some bitch to bend over and divorce rape.

Either way, I predict they'll all be running this cycle on repeat until they wall. At which point they'll begin desperately looking for some BP simp since they've come to the realizations the Chads are all taken by true super models, or have never been interested them for more than a pump and dump.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

We'll end up as a society of lonely old people, it will take different generations to get around these problems.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

After some time in the game, it no longer surprise me that women are like that.

The only thing anyone on TRP should be aiming for is to see women as what they are, entitled children. Once you can see them as that, then your life will be so much simpler.

[–]RedMastermind2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just to point one thing out: nowhere does she claim to be a virgin. She says she's dated once, and dated a little casually.

I know you included the caveat of her not using loopholes, but that wouldn't be needed if the assumption of virginity was not made in the first place.

She has not even explicitly stated that she hasn't hooked up, she only talks about dating here. As is quite likely, she is being duplicitous by covering up the Alpha fucks side of her sexual strategy. Since she is looking for a nice guy, she will never disclose the hookups she's had. That's why she's only talking about dating - not one word about hookups. At the maximum, she's said she's dated casually.

So why assume virginity?

[–]d15602 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men are like wine Women are like milk. Men get more valuble as they age like wine while Women lost value and go bad as they age.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think modern women are lazy and just want a guy who's already been established with money and has this ready made life that she can just set up camp in.

As opposed to two young people who hack it out together, not starting out really with much, but through mutual support, hard work and ingenuity create a good life together.

I feel that the second way would be much more satisfying. Unfortunately these modern skags lack any sort of character. Which forces good men to go mgtow.

The way these women are being raised is unbelievable. Women let their daughters dress like whores to attract what exactly? A fleeting good time with a rich guy?

Only thing to do is sit back, crack open a beer and watch western civilization crumble onto itself.

[–]Emmenthalreddit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very accurate! I'm a woman in a happy relationship and i constantly hear women yak about this. The dumbest things make the guys not good enough. He said "retarded" in conversation or he's almost my height (still taller) etc. Not only do they not even talk to the guy about it but they are on a hunt for nonexistent perfection and wont find it. Were all human and they need to think about what really matters, honesty, can keep a job, good conversations, etc. Have your list of dealbreakers but be realistic, no one is perfect and you can still find happiness.

[–]MrTrizzles2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of assumptions and projecting ITT.

1) Don't take some anonymous comment on the internet personally. 2) Beta TRPers are part of the problem. 3) All of this is pretty rich considering TRP's chosen label for quality women is "unicorn."

[–]suxxos6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I sort of disagree with you. I used to think like you, that women are too picky and so on. But looking at my female friends, some of them were not picky and all, yet could not get the "right" guy. They would date a guy, usually someone neither great, nor completely useless, then split up very quickly. Some of them did get married in the end, and when I talked to one of the females, she said "I actually wasn't picky enough. I dated guys who were sort of decent only to realise I'm not really into them, wasting lots of time. I should have been more picky from the very beginning". I think it's often the answer, for everyone (including guys) wanting a LTR.

[–]ChivaLegend1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the multiple links throughout the post it makes the reading very enjoyable

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like I need to put a million disclaimers in here to avoid getting ripped apart, but I have a feeling that is going to be inevitable. So here goes. Girls should ideally be looking for a guy that they find attractive enough to want to go to bed with and that they get on with well enough to fall in love with. Anyone (man or woman) looking for money, status, power are obviously just a dick and it's a waste of time to even bother deconstructing the things they say and do...

[–]anon_nonapplicable2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hence why women always return or even beg to get back with her alpha widow

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So, with all your talk about these women rejecting men for not being attractive enough- how many women that you think are unattractive have you dated?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A couple of them but they're duds in the sack.

[–]ProFriendZoner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quality women?

AWALT, don't ever forget that!

[–]kasper1380 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They don't exist. Boy, that sure was easier.

[–]Katayani1080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So by quality do you mean "hot" or what? Honestly I think in some cases it's men who need to lower their standards. There are plenty of quality women out there who have been friend-zoned or told they just like one of the guys or are a "butter" face so many times they don't even try anymore.

Now when you grow up a bit you will realize there is something to be said about balance in a healthy relationship. If you dote on a person too much they will naturally turn away. A working relationship creates a we without destroying the me, it's important to have separate hobbies and "me" times. Being a jerk and withdrawing will never work out well either, this is manipulating and disingenuous. We all want to be wanted sometimes and want to want the person we are with right? There are healthy ways to go about this. Good luck in your search!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just the title of that article alone is cringe worthy. Want to know why you can't meet a nice guy? Possibly because the people around you are a reflection of yourself (fyi youre a cunt).

[–]st3roids0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually they cant.

reason is that usually dominant assertive men are bachelors or they don't believe in monogamy and cant stand long relationships.

on the other hand beta's are in a word boring.

Its the same with men bad girls are the exiting ones but not exactly wife material and so on.

Rare if ever you gonna have a guy whos dominant , successful , high in dark triad , non agreeable , athletic etc who also have the right "beta" qualities to be a good husband.

Those are the "catch"" and they are very rare and usually older in age

[–]1Jaereth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Even the first profile picture you posted of the girl who "can't find a good guy" and is supposedly the "catch" in comparison to the other examples, has red-flags galore.

Honestly, finding a girl worthy of some real commitment is like finding a needle in a haystack. It's all about status in the end though. No "Good guy" is going to want to commit to a girl who has nothing going on of her own. Oh you watch doctor who and ride your bike? Self proclaimed "geeK" Those are the two most relevant personality points you can think to come up with? Next.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All of these theories are way too convoluted and complicated. In a sexual free market, most women will always feel that there are no available good men because as we know most women would rather be part of the king’s harem than have an average man to herself. This is purely driven by her biology, and this is why all successful civilizations developed rules and morals forcing women into monogamous marriages.

Therefore, as sexual mores liberalize and women are given complete choice, their biology will drive them to pursue the top 10% of men and to feel that anything less is beneath them. Add to this that liberalizing values also allow top men to keep harems now rather than committing to one woman, and we can see where the attitude comes from.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why does a alpha male care about what a female posts online? especially from 3 years ago.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

But why do you even care?

Why even take the time to write all this out? You want that inexperienced snow flake? Let some girl do what she wants to do... you do you...

[–]MaggieMoon_Shine-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quality women dont expect 2 much. We expect a quality man just as he would a quality women..Fine wine is easy for anyone, Champagne & a heart is where its at..If a person has no heart, they are often fugly. Some people choice not to socialize or be on radar. Fate? I'm a simple woman. You a simple man? Alot of singles are only attracted to the trash. Love me or hate me.

[–]grewapair-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her problem is she likely wants to remain a virgin until marriage. Um, no.