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A recent comment thread was getting so many upvotes for the most BP shit, I felt the need to drop some truth in a quick post. Try to get this through your skull, and stop trying to use TRP awareness to achieve your BP fantasies:

There are no unicorns. Period. No “if they're out there, it’s futile to try to find one.” Or, “once a man is alpha enough and super duper awesomely self-actualized, he will deserve his unicorn and she’ll prance into his life on a rainbow of pussy juice.” THERE ARE NONE. ZERO.

A “unicorn” is built and maintained by a man with the ability to, given that he finds a woman with the right foundation. Some women have better potential than others, however, in every case, she is not a unicorn by nature. And she only remains one because the man keeps polishing the horn that he fucking fashioned in the first place. Her unicorn status is CONDITIONAL. All relationships with women are CONDITIONAL. I’m often told “I found a unicorn” with regards to my current LTR. I just luckily somehow stumbled upon a quality woman! I laugh my fucking head off inside. I made her who she is today, and I have no problem admitting it. I built who she is now, and continue to guide her and you know what, its fucking work. I’m not afraid to admit that creating and maintaining a “unicorn” takes a portion of my mental space.

But she is not a real unicorn. She’s a woman who was inspired to emulate one, and she can decide to stop whenever she feels like it. The guys who tell me she’s a real unicorn don’t want to admit to themselves that they are incapable of creating one, nor willing to put in the work it takes to be able to. They want them to exist, and my girl is the confirmation bias they need to maintain their blue pill fantasies. That there’s one out there for them too, they just need to stumble upon her like I did. Don’t be like them. You have to work for everything you get in this life, including a unicorn if that's something you want. And it’s not really a fucking unicorn if it’s only a unicorn as long as you put in the work now is it.

[–]CainPrice594 points595 points  (105 children) | Copy

One of the more difficult life lessons is that women - all women - love conditionally. Nobody loves you for who you are just because you're you. You don't get points just for showing up and being you. You don't get points for liking her. You have to actually be valuable to be loved.

Value can take different forms. You can be good-looking, strong, smart, rich, interesting, fun, the list is pretty endless. But you have to bring something to the table besides just being a man who loves her. Being a man is worth zero points. Loving her is worth zero points. Those things are great when they come from a man who is also valuable, but worthless, or even offensive, when they come from a man who is not valuable at all.

And if you're valuable today, but something changes and you're less valuable tomorrow, your love for her suddenly becomes annoying and offensive. And her mind will rewrite history. Not only does she not love you today, but she will tell you that she hasn't been happy for a long time and that your relationship has had terrible issues from the start. Even when yesterday, when you were valuable, she thought you were the greatest man on earth.

Understanding that her love is conditional, and that you always need to remain valuable, whatever form that value takes, is part of "getting it" as a man. If you expect a woman to love you simply because you love her and you're who you are, then you're not expecting her to be a girlfriend. You're expecting her to be your mommy. Mothers love their children unconditionally. But they don't love their husbands unconditionally.

Understanding conditional love and behaving accordingly actually makes women respond better to you and be more comfortable with you. Women don't want a man who expects motherly unconditional love from them.

There is no such thing as a perfect woman who is going to love you and remain attracted forever because that's just how she is - eternally grateful for your love and everything you are and whatever you did in the past for her. That doesn't exist.

[–]tempolaca37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy

And if you're valuable today, but something changes and you're less valuable tomorrow, your love for her suddenly becomes annoying and offensive. And her mind will rewrite history. Not only does she not love you today, but she will tell you that she hasn't been happy for a long time and that your relationship has had terrible issues from the start. Even when yesterday, when you were valuable, she thought you were the greatest man on earth.

Lightswitch effect. Happened to me in 48 hours with my LTR. Savage, horrible and cruel.

[–]Ankuno_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know I'm really late to the party, but I'm curious about what happened.

[–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 237 points238 points  (46 children) | Copy

All men lucky enough to have a good mother should be thankful. Just like having a good father can give you a leg up when it comes to being a man, having a good mother gives you a leg up when it comes to not trying to find a replacement. Stay close with your mother, no matter how annoying she is. It keeps other women's love for you in perspective.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper162 points163 points  (35 children) | Copy

I find the reverse to be true.

Men with terrible mothers frequently seem to be better with women because they have never experienced unconditional love and do not expect it.

[–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 110 points111 points  (2 children) | Copy

Perhaps better with women on the surface, but higher potential for disaster I think. Once a woman sticks around a bit and gives him a taste of what he's never had. Especially a "good girl" with strong maternal instincts. Good girls are pros at fucking up your typical broken family bad boys. Probably depends a lot on the guy though.

[–]derpitaway17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, I think you are right. I had a weird relationship with both of my parents. I started the red pill journey in January by accident. Didn't realize that a lot of my relationships I was trying to substitute the feelings I had as a child.especially when it came to women. I was lacking the love a male child gets from his mother and this lead me to always substitute it with women who were not the best for me. Some therapy and reading a lot made me realize some things. Best relationships I had was when I cared less. The unicorn does not exist. The rationale male opened my eyes to something that I subconsciously always knew and I accepted things for what they are.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tell me more about the “good girls are pros at fucking up your typical broken family bad boys.” Please!

[–]hawkeaglejesus32 points33 points  (7 children) | Copy

have never experienced unconditional love and do not expect it.

I think it pushes men to both end extremes. You're either stuck trying to fill the void of motherly love with the closest thing available, like an off-brand soda that doesn't quite taste the same as the real thing, but will do with no other alternative.

Or you develop a hard exterior shell as a coping mechanism that makes you aloof, emotionally distant, and hard to get.

I'd say most men fall into the first category. It's what causes men to act so needy. No mother is so cruel as to never display affection. The few times that you experience how good it feels just makes men desperate enough to seek it again no matter the cost.

What TRP made me realize is that men do not truly love in one direction, what we crave is to feel loved. Showing love to women is the covert contract of needing to feel it in return. The shattered state that men find themselves in upon not receiving it is what causes so many of them to end up here.

You can't force someone to love you, yet so many men continue to try. They blame their misery on the actions of others, until realizing at some point that the feeling of unconditional love and acceptance is no longer out there, that you and only you are responsible for your happiness and the person best capable of giving it to you is yourself.

[–]Sisu697214 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am the second category, raised by a narcissist mother and now very aloof. I am in college and I am well within the top 1%of men there. I work at a bar. Female attention is constant but I don’t reciprocate. I am averse to even the idea of having a girlfriend, I don’t understand how to sit around, cuddle, and display affection or have any desire to. I just spin plates, mainly only for the sex. Quite frankly I’m to the point where I’m annoyed by them. I don’t dislike women but also understand awalt. The odd response (as predicted by trp) is that they are even more intrigued. I have no desire to impress them or go out of my way to make conversation- they approach, and when they do I let them do the talking. Bad parenting has made me cold, but being detached allows me to not ever get fooled by the games they play, because the woman who raised me undermined me constantly under the guise of love.

[–]randomTATRP2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm a bit jealous and a bit not.

Fuck all of the hot ones for us who were fucked up at college.

[–]Sisu69721 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

When you have access to it and can get almost anyone you want, it feels normal. Just like thinking “ oh cool I have some milk in the fridge, I might pour myself a glass” I’ll probably rail plenty of tight 18 year old pussy into oblivion this year- but I’m not pursuing it or have any intention to go out and try to do it. I really just don’t give a fuck, some girls may get lucky when I’m not busy and I’ll smash. But I won’t think about them after, or text, call, Snapchat, acknowledge, etc... I don’t want to get to know them

[–]randomTATRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great mindset, have fun ;D

[–]RobotAntidote1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

" because the woman who raised me undermined me constantly under the guise of love. "

Here here mate, but I still fell for it still do, world feels cold without at least keeping the hope alive.

[–]Sisu69722 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have no hope when it comes to a desired relationship with a girl. Honestly I don’t even think about it at all or consider it an option. I just live my life trying to progress myself to a better level. My world is no different if there are bitches or not, I still just keep plowing ahead. The world feels cold because it is cold. See it for what it is and you may have the insight to build yourself a fire to warm up. You may even have a bitch or two drawn by the warmth and light emanating out from your fire into the cold world we live in.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (4 children) | Copy

I find it difficult to believe that having a shitty parent could lead to better outcomes in any aspect of our lives.

[–]monadyne31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy

I had a kind of shitty father. He was a brilliant man-- a successful inventor, businessman, played cello, sculpted and painted, spoke seven languages, self-taught, etc.-- but a crappy, unsupportive father. He was a narcissist and didn't like the attention to be on anybody but himself.

That was hurtful to me as a kid, and when I was developing into a man. At one point in my twenties, I had a revelation: "Whoa! I get it now-- nothing I do will ever get approval from my dad. The game is, I keep trying and he keeps saying, 'Nope! Not good enough!' ...Okay, so the only way to win this game is for me to stop playing it." I broke off from my old man at that point, and started providing myself with the healthy self-love I should have learned from him.

And here's the "better outcome." When I became a father myself, I knew what my son needed from a dad, and I knew very well what *not* to do. I loved every second of being a father, meeting the challenge of stopping myself from doing the stupid shit dads often do. My son is 32 years old now, a successful engineer who works in the nuclear weapons division at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. (He can't tell me what work he actually does.)

Here's an indication of how successful our relationship has been: when he was home for a visit last summer with his wife, he and I were talking. We realized that in all of our long, close relationship together, we have never once had a single argument. Let that sink in for a second: a father and son that never had a single argument? We've had disagreements-- but they've always been about stuff like procedures, i.e., what's the best way to tie a bowline? ...stuff like that. But never anything like, "Fuck you, Dad! You don't understand me!!!" or "Goddamn it, you little bastard, I'll give you something to cry about!!!" ---the normal toxic interactions between fathers and sons.

So, my having a shitty parent led to a phenomenally great outcome in our lives.

[–]monadyne6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sorry! I didn't mean to write such a long narrative there.

[–]djcabbagehead4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for sharing and what is do you think the best way to tie a bowline? Anything better than the rabbit?

[–]monadyne1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, there is a better way! I've seen guys do it. It looks like you tie a simplistic overhand knot... and then there's some twist of the wrist and suddenly it's a bowline. I've never learned how to do it, so I still go, "The rabbit comes up out of the hole... etc." every time.

[–]Mescalean6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the most redpilled guys I know grew up with a meth head mom who beat him unconditionally.

This guy pulls and i doubt he knows about the red pill

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes that is true, just keep in mind that a terrible mother pushes the young child (boy or girl) towards the dark aspects of personality in order to compensate or simply to get what they want.

[–]rromero264 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, my mother abandoned my sister and I and her love was conditional when it was. It's hard for me to expect unconditional love from a woman because I never seen it. I got My dog and he shows me what that's like, so no woman can trick me into believing that lie, thanks to my dog.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This 100 percent. So many betas destroy their relationships with women because they think their girl is their mommy.

This makes women sick

[–]MRP50 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy

I get unconditional love from my bitches (dogs) and sex from my short/long term relationships.

No more.

No less.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

    Fluffy doesn't love you.

    You feed Fluffy.

    [–]MRP50 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

    Any creature that I've raised from nothing, to a powerful, loving, giving beast...who's willing in an instant to give her life for me...

    If you can't understand that...I can't help you.

    It's not about the food...it's about work, it's about connection, it's about me.

      [–]TRP VanguardWhisper10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

      Allow me to clarify my off-the-cuff response. It's not literally about "food".

      Let's put it this way... dogs are pack animals. The instinctive behaviour of subordinate dogs in a pack mimics cues that humans mistake for love; this is especially so when dogs have been domesticated and selectively bred for behaviour that humans find pleasing.

      All this "dogs are wonderful, loving creatures" and "we don't deserve dogs" bullshit is just another form of blue pill. Dogs are fine companion animals, but at the end of the day, they are just dogs, and not capable of understanding you, much less of giving you unconditional love.

      The truth is, unconditional love doesn't exist. The instinctive love of a mother for a child comes the closest, but even that requires certain cues that are programmed into children's behaviour.

      Do not pedestalize your dog or your mom, either.

      [–]monadyne16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

      It'd be awesome if you were right about this, TRP Vanguard, because dogs being incapable of giving unconditional love would fit the ideological narrative. Some of them, trained as working dogs, may not develop deeper bonds with people or other creatures, and may function based upon conditions, i.e., if you feed me, I'll keep herding these sheep the way you like.

      Dogs who have been given love, however, can experience very deep love for others. Our thirty-five pound Border Collie pitted herself against a 120 pound Bullmastiff to protect our family. (Luckily, we were able to stop the aggression before damage was done.) Our neighbor's Dachshund developed a deep friendship with a female deer, of all things. Every late afternoon, the deer would come to visit the Dachshund (as long as we human observers weren't visible.) They'd "play" for awhile, then lie down and just hang out together. There was no Darwinian advantage to either animal, no predation, no quid pro quo... just affection.

      There are many known examples of dogs giving their lives for their humans, but that may be part of the human/canine compact. There are, however, examples of dogs who have stayed on their owners' graves until they themselves died.

      This isn't putting canines up on a pedestal, it's recognizing the reality of the love they're capable of giving.

      [–]MRP50 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

      Good response. Thanks for sharing, Monadyne.

      I don't expect it to get through TRPVanguard's screen of justifications, inane logic, and simple ignorance.

      My pure recognition moment was when my previous shepherd (105# female) put herself between me and a charging 300# black bear...and backed him off enough for us to get to safety. An impressive and humbling event.

        [–]monadyne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

        Jeez, MRP50! Yeah, ours was a similar situation. When you see your dog totally willing to give her life --and not just to "give" it but to die in horrific violence-- to protect her human family, well, you get a glimpse of what depths unconditional love can reach. And yes, it sure is humbling.

        In our event, just when the Bullmastiff was coming in for the kill, my son, eleven years old at the time, saw what was happening and threw his body over our dog to protect -her.- The Bullmastiff lunged, took my son's entire head in his massive jaws . . . and then just let go and backed off, inexplicably. I guess it just knew that killing a human wasn't okay?

        When my son stood up after it was over, he had four trickles of blood coming down, two on each side of his head. The dog's fangs had just pierced the skin when his canine brain --thankfully!-- decided to terminate the attack.

        When we took our son to the hospital to get checked out later, the doctor yelled at him, saying, "Never get between dogs in a dog fight!"

        I said, "Bullshit. You did the exact right thing, son. Shadow risked her life to protect us, you risked your life to protect her. That's how we are supposed to conduct ourselves. Thank heaven it all turned out okay!!"

        [–]pcps4 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

        dogs are hookers for poor faggots..

        they don't love you, just want home and food - like a hooker wife from ukraine...

          [–]dontbethatguynow 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

          Damn Man. That is deep. I'm gonna go call my mom.

            [–]Neutral_User_Name17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

            I had a good mother, the best mother on Earth and all, no abuse, solely focused on my, but she fed me the BP shit and it took me 15-20 years to snap out of it. Father was an absent narcissist idiot. Maybe he broke me. Anywho, no need to answer, just thinking out loud.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            That's a lot of us. We're ending it tho. Better late than never.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

            What if the mother was untrustworthy and unreliable?

            [–]AlexDr0ps2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Good shit man. No girl will ever love you as much as your mom will

            [–]BerryKefir1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I would really like to hear anon explain the work he puts into maintaining his unicorn.
            Give us an example.

            [–]BRONUS_WAGNER1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            The turning point for me was when I shattered the image that my mother was a unicorn. I still believed in unicorns because I believed my mom was one, there is a lot of truth in Freuds statements. It was a difficult thing to do since a lot of us think of our moms as saints but the truth is my mom even though staying married to my dad for about 50 years with old school values is just a woman that kept all those instincts in check but she still has those instincts. Once I became redpilled I was able to see how manipulative she is towards me and my dad and why she married my dad, because he was a hard worker that wanted to settle down and wasn't a woman chaser.

            [–]DropDeadTyrant66 points67 points  (2 children) | Copy

            you see that especially in guys who get girls their green card. they love them to death while they're trying to get them into the country. then, once they're here, they're done.

            [–]rromero265 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

            They act like unicorns because the American provides the highest value to them, a way out of starvation.

            [–]ovrload10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Because most of those men are beta weak simps

            [–]DeontologicalSanders83 points84 points  (10 children) | Copy

            While it's an important truth to accept, you're only examining one side of the coin.

            Men love conditionally as well, but in a much less severe way. The things that men love women for are subjective, and in no way performance-based. Not a woman on the planet has to work and toil as hard as any man does to maintain her value. The glow of her skin, the shine of her hair, the gleam of her smile, the curvatures of her tits, her hips, her ass, etc. These are things she is born with. She doesn't have to work or toil to acquire them, and maintaining them takes minimal effort. All she has to do is not get trapped in a burning car, and not get fat. That's it. If either of these things happened, you might bail on her, but more likely you would at least attempt to stick it out, out of a sense of duty.

            Women do not do 'duty'. The only sense of duty to you that she can or will ever feel is one that is based upon your performance and value as a man. If you cease to add an optimal level of value to her life, the foundation falls out from under the house. For her, there is no 'staying with you out of loyalty or honor'. She doesn't have time for that shit; the wall is approaching.

            This brings us to the elephant in the room: how this imbalance levels out within relationship dynamics.

            ​As long as you are providing value she perceives she can't improve upon elsewhere, you can treat her however the fuck you want.

            ​You can order her around. Call her names. You can make her do things for you. You can put her through physical discomfort in order to please you. I'm certainly not advocating any of these things, but if you feel inclined, you can abuse her, torment her, publicly humiliate her. If she thinks you're the best she can do, she'll literally put up with anything. I don't think any self-respecting man would put up with more than a half-day of any of this behavior, but a woman fixated on a man will eat it up.

            ​This difference in the conditionality of male and female love gives rise to a divergence in desired behavior that balances out our relationships:

            Men want to be treated awesome by someone okay.

            Women want to be treated okay by someone awesome.

            [–]CainPrice66 points67 points  (3 children) | Copy

            Your first paragraph actually segues into another thing that men sometimes have difficulty swallowing.

            Women don't appreciate or recognize hard work the same way the men do. Most of what a woman needs to be valuable and desirable to men, she's born with. Most of what a man needs to be valuable and desirable to women, he must work hard to attain.

            However, hard work is unattractive and try-hard. If man is constantly babbling about his diet and workout routine and making it obvious how hard he works at the gym, women are going to think he's a vain narcissist who's faking attractiveness by obsessively going to the gym to be attractive to girls.

            But if that same guy shuts the fuck up and just acts like he's naturally and inherently awesome-looking with almost zero work, he's attractive to women. You never want them to know how hard you work to be attractive to them, because in their mind, if you have to work at it instead of just having it, you're cheating the system.

            They're born being who they are and are born being as attractive as they are. Guys who work at it, in their eyes, are pretenders trying to be something they're not and trick women.

            [–]BewareTheOldMan10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

            "Women don't appreciate or recognize hard work the same way the men do. Most of what a woman needs to be valuable and desirable to men, she's born with. Most of what a man needs to be valuable and desirable to women, he must work hard to attain."

            This is a basic truth that slips past or is simply ignored by most women. It's one of the reasons that woman have little sympathy for men who whine and complain about exerting the necessary effort to get the job, the type of life, and/or the woman he desires in his life.

            I suspect it's one of the reasons that women have so much frustration in their later years when they have trouble breaking the so-called glass ceiling or securing commitment and marriage from that specific six foot, square-jawed, handsome, six-figure to multi-millionaire corporate executive who will love and dote on them for the rest of her natural life, while providing her similarly chiseled/aesthetically blessed and ultra-intelligent offspring who will grow to achieve the same or greater success than their father.

            For most of their early life and into their early adult years, most of what women want and need is either supplied or produced by OTHER people...mostly men - and it's because most men want what they have - a young, hot, energetic, youthful, fertile, virile, and hopefully chaste, pure, and virtuous body and mindset.

            Men hope that young women come with the desire and enthusiasm to please and be faithful to them with no emotional baggage from OTHER men, but in the modern era finding such a woman would in fact make her some sort of unicorn...at least on a conditional basis.

            The fact that women are born with "assets" heavily desired by most men is another source of anger and frustration when those same natural-born assets lose their value by virtue of the aging process and has failed to secure her ideal man. This is the point of no return for most women and the level of interest they received from men in their youth hits a literal wall.

            "...hard work is unattractive and try-hard."

            Yet another basic truth - hence the frustration for many when life doesn't just "fall effortlessly and perfectly into place."

            [–]markinsinz71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Idk about women failing to secure their ideal man. These days I see a lot of women even post wall still enjoying life with Chads. I think no mater what unless u meet a girl really young like pre 20 then the girl u date is broken and has severe emotional baggage and eventually her hypergamy will kick in and she'll move on

            [–]615bachelor9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

            Damn the comments on this sub are fuckin gold . Write some articles

            [–]dcmcmd6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Men testing ideas with other men, learning how to better navigate intersex relations, TRP is a goldmine when it clicks.

            [–]BewareTheOldMan15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

            "Men want to be treated awesome by someone okay."

            This - exactly...hence their frustration when the the "okay woman" they married transitions into some shrieking, less than ideal, and overweight harpy who bemoans his shortcomings despite meeting the most basic standards required and expected of a great husband and father - only to be treated like crap and blindsided with divorce.

            In my case I wasn't surprised with divorce but was hit with an extreme personality and behavior shift that resulted in summarily dismissing my wife via divorce. I concede I was not a perfect husband, but she had no issues of domestic abuse, unforgivable infidelity, financial irresponsibility, lack of leadership, protection, access to resources, or major personality shift from my end.

            I posit that NO WOMAN should receive the honor, benefits, and privileges of marriage if she fails to meet basic responsibilities as a wife and mother consistent with her husband's expectations and standards.

            "Women want to be treated okay by someone awesome."

            The issue for most women is they lack the capacity, capability, SMV, and RMV to secure this awesome man...resulting in anger and frustration knowing they can't do any better than the unsuspecting Beta Male that is more suitable and appropriate to her status.

            If you want an awesome man, you have to be an awesome woman. Most women can only find a "good enough" man - with many disgusted by the fact they reached their max potential in a life-partner.

            [–]___Lana___1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Love the last bold paragraph, it’s awesome.

            I agree with most of what you say, but I must say : being attractive, making a man love us, is not as effortless as you say.

            It’s true that we may not have to build a career, lift 1:30 hour every day, and so on. But we don’t count the hours of pain for hair removal (and laser hurts as hell), the skincare routine we have to follow every fucking day so we don’t age too fast, the number of times we eat a salad while you are devouring a huge pizza, the effort to please your mom, the terrible pain of high heels that we wear to please you, the disconfort of bras and lingerie, the continuous thinking of « is anything missing in the fridge? should I do chicken breast or beef for tonight’s dinner? what will he prefer after his workout? do I have cold beers, peanuts and chips in case in shows up with a friend? » and the billion things with think to so you don’t have to, like admin stuff, paying the bills, fill the tax form, do the laundry. Do you think being pretty is natural? It’s not. Some girls are naturally hot : big tits, nice butt, petite framed. But glowing soft skin, good smell, shiny hair, toned belly? We have to work for it too. Being able to take a dick down your throat? I was not born with that skill. Sewing, cleaning and cooking neither. I had to learn all that. And maybe the hardest of all : learning how to STFU. To be submissive. To obey when you don’t want to. To suck him hard when you had a long day and all you want is to sleep.

            Would I please my King if I didn’t take care of myself? If I wore trainers instead of heels? If I didn’t spend half a hour daily for skincare routine and make up? If I wore shapeless jeans and an old faded tshirt instead of sexy dresses? If I stopped working hard to please him, he would kick me out of his life.

            It’s not only ‘being hot’ and that’s it. Even when you’re not into a relationship yet. It takes effort to be seductive.

            I love TRP and I think the actual feminist society is ruining men and women relationships and families. But I’ve been reading this sub and RPWoman for a few days, and I feel sometimes there is a disconnection between both. I see so many women in RPW whose only concern is « how can I better please men/my husband ? ». They are worried of how having babies will affect their body. They are looking for advice on how to be more submissive. How to clean the house. How to be more feminine. How to put theirs desires after men’s. How to satisfy a man sexually. How to smile and look eager even when you’re not.

            I think there are super quality women out there wanting to be the kind of women you seem to look for. Not the hoes, but the potential LTR ones. The ones that are ready to learn from their mistakes. To ones that can improve themselves if you lead them the right way. The ones that want to treat you like a King.

            They do a lot, and they are willing to do it because they love men the way they really are.

            Please don’t underestimate our hard work too ;-)

            [Sorry for the mistakes, english is not my mother tongue]

            [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

            One of the more difficult life lessons is that women - all women - love conditionally. Nobody loves you for who you are just because you're you.

            This actually isn't as bothersome to me as it used to be because it is actually true of everyone who is not genetically related to you. If you start being shitty or boring to your friends, they will probably dump you. If you start being worthless to your colleagues, your relationship with them will suffer. If you are a beloved leader and you start shitting on your people, they will stop loving you and come to despise you.

            If you stop providing value to your woman by acting like a beta, then she will stop loving you. The reason this is bothersome to us is because of the lie we were told about unconditional love. No one ever told us that our friends or our work colleagues would love us unconditionally.

            [–]yammyha3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


            I would also agree that on the contrary, no matter how unconditionally you love your gf, if she's pissing in your cereal every morning complaining and lowering her value.. you'd be fed up with her as well. Its a rule of reciprocity

            [–]hawkeaglejesus15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Not to beat the evopsycho horse, but it makes sense why women exhibit this behavior. I'm sure 50,000 years ago there were women who loved their men unconditionally, who stuck by them even in times of weakness, and ultimately those women died out and their proclivity for unconditional love with them.

            Strength, competence, power. However you wish to define "value", the women who relentlessly chose men solely on his ability to maintain and display that value are the women who survived through the generations.

            No matter how angry men get, no matter how much men reason their way into believing it's unfair, nature never cared and it never will.

            [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Yup. The only person who's gonna love you unconditionally is maybe your mom lol.

            Also women are the masters of revisionist history like you said. Whether it's conscious or not.

            [–]mediandirt11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

            This makes this lesson hit home so much harder. All the other ways I've seen don't put it as eloquently as this. Thank you for that.

            [–]Neutral_User_Name10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

            This reply is pure solid gold wrapped in diamond. It summarizes in 3 short paragraphs (1-2-4) my philosophy about wahmen. Thanks bro.

            Add to it the 3 requisites of RP, which are a) frame, b) talent/hobby c) goal and you are set for a happy life. Oh, I was going to forget: lift and cut the carbs.

            [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Unicorns and Love.

            Posted in another thread today: Unicorns and True Love (barf) are abstracts. They can't exist. They are only present in what you think and feel about them. Ask people what they are and you will get a customized answer every single time.

            (Yes, I tweaked it.)

            [–]Luckyluke233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Value can take different forms.

            i think this is what burns men so often. their ideal of love isn't what they think it is and at one point or another, it changes. they don't realize it's change ( or still hold on to the old way of what they think love is) and the get burned by it.

            if she tells you she loves you. you have in the short term been doing things well. that doesn't mean to say it won't change in the future.

            [–]dtyler864 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Literally Took screenshots of this. It could not be better said

            [–]saucierlol13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

            The only woman who loves you unconditionally is your mother because you re the biggest, thickest thing that ever went through her pussy.

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I've read this a few times now and laughed everytime. You're funny, lad.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

            What about the other siblings lol?

            [–]yammyha2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I believe value should be displayed up front as man with the blend of conditional and unconditional love. Just like having boundaries, we love conditionally in our hobbies and work but should not hold back on showing it and should constantly work on elevating our own value. Keep the unicorn admiring her man for being the confident being he is.

            [–]MarquisDePaid[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            One of the more difficult life lessons is that women - all women - love conditionally. Nobody loves you for who you are just because you're you. You don't get points just for showing up and being you. You don't get points for liking her. You have to actually be valuable to be loved.

            For that matter all people love conditionally

            Men can do the same thing, neurologically some lack the vasoppressin receptors to properly pair bond

            Absurd expectations are ones own fault

            [–]daemon862 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

            I understand this but I don't understand why my ex used to like me but then not anymore. I haven't changed. What changed?

            [–]CainPrice2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

            You might be exactly the same, and she changed - either her preferences or her circumstances.

            Girls get bored, and a guy they thought was the greatest guy ever becomes ordinary.

            Sometimes, a girl meets someone else. She'll be out with her friends and will spend and hour talking with a new guy, and even if she doesn't cheat, she keeps thinking about him and starts feeling trapped, like you're holding her back. She'll start being bitchier and picking fights over nothing and nothing you do will be good enough and things you do that she used to like will be annoying, then out of the blue, she'll tell you she hasn't been happy for months.

            [–]daemon861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            That must be it I guess, it's about her.

            [–]Incitatus0022 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

            So in summary, if you want to keep a bitch on the straight and narrow, you'd better be of high value / attractive / sexy / rich / intelligent / interesting / well read / witty / funny / ripped.

            In other words: be all you can be. Work on yourself. Be a better you.

            But hang on - isn't that what all the Red Pill theory says? Become a better version of yourself? ("Lift" / "read", etc?) So actually her conditional love is a powerful motivator for you to get off your lazy ass. How's that a bad thing? So what if she does dump you, in spite of you working hard on yourself? You'll soon find other poon for the very reason that you keep bettering yourself.

            [–]CainPrice4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Very true. Being a man and being disadvantaged at the game is not a curse.

            Do we really want to sit around like women and receive lots of sexual offers just for existing? The very reason we value and pursue sex instead of treating it so nonchalantly the way that women do is because we have to work to get it. Sex wouldn't be nearly as fun or special if it was just a constant presence in our lives the way it is for women.

            And working to become a worthwhile human and living an awesome life, and actually being rewarded for that (as though having an awesome life isn't already its own reward) is amazing.

            We can hit the gym and advance our lives and go from unfuckable to swimming in pussy. A woman can get ten PhDs and cure cancer, but if she was born ugly, nobody will fuck her. All the guys whose lives she has personally saved will go on to fuck pretty girls.

            [–]modSlyGradient2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Point awarded by EC request. +1

            [–]always_sad126 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

            How is this a hard pill to swallow? To me, this sounds totally fair and reasonable.

            [–]CainPrice22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

            You'd be surprised how many men don't get it. They are literally shocked when a woman would rather have non-exclusive, casual, recreational sex with a cute, fun, interesting guy who's sleeping with ten other women than have a real serious relationship with them.

            Because a woman being a woman and loving them is something of great value to them, they assume that being a man and loving a woman is valuable to women. When women snub them for being valueless, disregard their love as worthless, and go have casual sex with some fun guy, it shocks them to the core.

            Then, they become angry, because it dawns on them that the game isn't completely fair. Women get bonus points and automatic value just for being women. Meanwhile, the things that they would value from a woman that they've worked so hard to cultivate in themselves aren't very valuable to women. Women would rather have fun sex with a guy that's actually valuable (e.g., hot, rich, fun, interesting, etc.)

            Guys don't realize that by expecting woman to love them just for being themselves and loving her back, they're holding women to a mother standard instead of a girlfriend standard. It's not conscious. They love women a certain way, then are hurt when women don't love them in the same way.

            [–]always_sad126 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

            I guess I always knew this idea of unconditional love is ridiculous. Men have always had to provide something, be useful in some way (whether it’s pure genetics, exciting life, resources, protection, different and fantastic personality, money, status, etc). I’m honestly more surprised men can love like this in the first place.

            [–]saucierlol21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Men are the emotional gender, contrary to what society tells us

            [–]RxCubed9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Very true. I've noticed women tend to use "emotion" as a tool to manipulate. Not always but most of the time when they cry or whatever it's for a calculated purpose.

            [–]PM_ME_YOUR_LOOSE_ASS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            An absolute golden nugget of truth. Thank you.

            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

            The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’”

            [–]monadyne16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

            Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Those two things cannot be compared. But if that helps you sleep at night then maybe carry on.

            [–]monadyne1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I'm saying that even a consciousness as toxic as What's-his-name's can occasionally come up with something of actual merit.

            [–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

            "There is no such thing as a perfect woman who is going to love you and remain attracted forever because that's just how she is - eternally grateful for your love and everything you are and whatever you did in the past for her. That doesn't exist."

            In short - Briffault's Law and its three associated corollaries:

            "Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association [or relationship] takes place."

            "It is women who give thumbs-up or thumbs-down to any advances or proposals from men. Briffault embellishes this truism by asserting that intimate relationships between men and women result from a calculated cost/benefit analysis by women.  Will she or won’t she acquire a net gain from any relationship with the man?  This does not necessarily mean monetary gain, although it might.  Other types of gain might be social status, sexual compatibility, anticipated future happiness, emotional security, and the male’s capacity for fatherhood.  Men, put that in your pipe and smoke it." (Dale Hartley, PhD: 2016)

            Briffault continues with these three corollaries to his law:

            -Even though a woman has accrued past benefits from her relationship with a man, this is no guarantee of her continuing the relationship with him.  (Translation:  What have you done for me lately?)

            -If a woman promises a man to continue her relationship with him in the future in exchange for a benefit received from him today, her promise becomes null and void as soon as the benefit is rendered.  (“I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.“)

            -A man’s promise of a future benefit has limited ability to secure a continuing relationship with a woman, and his promise carries weight with her only to the extent that the woman’s wait for the benefit is short and to the extent that she trusts him to keep his promise.


            "For this bit of wisdom we have Robert Briffault (1876-1948), an English surgeon, anthropologist, and author, to thank."

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

            One question. Do us guys love women conditionally as well? Or are us guys more likely to fall in love with a girl unconditionally?

            [–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Men love conditionally as well, but our conditions are different.

            For example men value loyalty and devotion. If a woman has been your faithful girlfriend for 5 years and has been good to you the entire time, and she gains 20 pounds, starts being a little bitchier to you, has sex less often, and starts staying out late at bars with her girlfriends, you'd probably take that for at least a little bit because she's been such a good girlfriend for the past 5 years. You'd want to figure things out and work on fixing them. You highly value her past loyalty.

            Women don't highly value your past loyalty. The fact that for the past 5 years, you were a man that was willing to date and have sex with her is worthless. A lot of guys out there would have dated and fucked her for the past 5 years if she'd given them the chance. If you lose your job today, come down with the flu and spend a week unable to do a job search, then the next weekend go out drinking with your friends, she'll dump you on Monday without giving a second thought to the fact that you've been good to her for 5 years. She'll tell you she's been unhappy for a long time and that your relationship was never right and never that great, and tell all her friends and her future boyfriend what an asshole you were the whole time you were dating.

            She values what you can give to her now and what you'll give to her in the future, whether that's fun, money, status, pride, whatever. If you used to be hot and rich last year, but this year you're fat and poor, she's not gong to stick around out of a sense of loyalty over last year.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            That makes sense. Women only think of the present, most certainly not the past, and some probably don’t think of the consequences they’ll have to face in the future.

            [–]OfficerWade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

            Wow. I need more guys like you in my life to emulate.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

            One of the best posts that I've ever read. Well said, and I can definitely vouch for this wisdom with personal experience.

            [–]LukesLikeIt-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

            So men are looking for mothers and women looking for fathers in a relationship.

            [–]Bielzabutt121 points122 points  (4 children) | Copy

            Exactly, happen to lose your job? See what happens to that Unicorn.

            [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Summed up, short and sweet...

            [–]WhatRemainsAfter20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Tell me about it. Quit my job to pursue a venture and she vanished in 20 days. Lol

            [–]volvostupidshit7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

            She flew faster than a unicorn, mate?

            [–]draneline43 points44 points  (6 children) | Copy

            With this in mind, it’s really important to make sure you try to keep away from fixer-upper types that may have lots of “potential”. I made that mistake with my ex, because I had ignored red flags including but not limited to: “abusive” exes, noticeable self confidence issues, problems with her parents, et al. You get the image. Now I consider myself a well to do lad, I’m academically achieved, relatively funny, approachable, and in good shape. For all intents and purposes, I had brought this girl up into what I saw as a “unicorn”. Everything that was good coming her way was because of me directly or an indirect consequence of my investment (doing better in school, better relationships with family and friends, applying for scholarships and really being passionate about things she liked). Everything was going well until she had “relapsed” into old bad habits and cheated on me with said ex. It sucked, but it’s important to remember that “damaged goods” can always reappear and no matter how much potential any girl has or how far they’ve came, you always need it be weary of them falling back into old habits at your expense. You can turn her into a unicorn for a while, but if she’s had bad times, that unicorn period can slip away faster than you think, undoing all the progress you’ve spent on making said female a unicorn. With her I had always suspected that might happen, and when it did I wasn’t devastated. I was disappointed, but not surprised. Just remember to always be weary of the worst case scenario and mentally prep for it because an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure.

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

            Basically AWALT. You're rolling the dice no matter what, that's why red flags early on are so important. Better to roll 1 or 2 dice than 9 or 10. The more red flags in the beginning, the more dice you're rolling down the line. But even if you're rolling one, there's still a 1 in 6 chance to hit.

            Btw, I wouldn't ever consider a girl "unicorn potential" to begin with if she lacks a strong family background, high self-esteem (for a girl), and a non-checkered past. Bad call on your part, but either way, it can always happen regardless.

            Really good insight man.

            [–]draneline3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Needless to say, I was so fixated on making someone better. That and I was pretty pussywhipped. Rookie mistakes up the wazoo, Chief.

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

            We've all been there.

            On the fixing someone point though, It works best when the girl views herself as the "fixer-upper." It's weird, but her taking that role is what actually starts positive changes in her life and mentality. If you're continuing to improve yourself like before she even knew you, she'll give herself some credit for it. She'll feel like she's really fixxing away, and seeing results. Helping out. When really you're just doing what you've always done and she's just along for the ride. That's why self-improvement is key in a relationship. She benefits and feels accomplished from your accomplishments. Their potential for empathy really is ridiculous.

            [–]saucierlol4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Lol funny your analogy with the dice because I compared my most recent ex to my ex before her and my most recent sent me only one red flag, as opposed to the previous who is BPD and basically fucked my life for a year and who was sending me red flags after red flags at the start, which I was all ignoring due to a bad case of oneitis.

            So this most recent ex, who sends me this ONE red flag. I was like wow cool I think I can handle one warning of potential drama, nobody is perfect. A month later she dumps me and the reason for that was directly related to the red flag in question. Despite that, I was still kind of surprised because she'd assured me that I shouldn't worry. The irony..

            [–]volvostupidshit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            AWALT. The sooner you accept it the sooner you learn not to give them more value than they should.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I agree. It's also important to remember that women are simply an addition to your life. You should have your own goal in which you are investing. If you're investing in others, you had better be careful to make sure you're still putting yourself and your overall goals first. These habits form slowly and without notice until you're suddenly co-dependent.

            [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

            [–]TRP VanguardWhisper27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy



            WTF, dude. Here I was thinking I needed to write an article on this, and you went and wrote it for me.

            AWALT. They all unicorns, and simultaneously all nasty sluts. It all depends on what behavior you inspire in them.

            [–]modTheRedPike8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Done and yes, a good one.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Nasty slutty unicorns.... i like that

            [–]replicaplater9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Great post, about time that someone laid this concept out. I can see why guys still hang onto the fantasy though, when you're in a relationship with what you think is a "unicorn" the emotional connection thing is like a dopamine overdose. Its only natural to want to preserve or prolong that high as long as you can.

            Once you let go of the "unicorn" myth it makes things a lot easier in my opinion. Liberates you from worrying about making mistakes in a LTR. Even if your spinning plates, once you realize there are no unicorns it makes it easy to let plates break and move on to getting new plates.

            [–]jonpe8714 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Trying to find The Girl is like trying to find a fire that don't burn.

            [–]3LiveAFTSOV14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

            Im more interested in having you share HOW you created a unicorn, and WHY she was inspired to follow your unicorn directions, way more interested than reading the same "unicorns dont exist" post.

            Write a theory post on making a women behave like your unicorn!

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

            and WHY she was inspired to follow your unicorn directions

            Wording made me laugh.

            But basically just being red pilled. And to be honest, not wanting an LTR to begin with. At all. Tried to drive her away for a long time. Weirdly enough, that period of time made her want to be my unicorn. Masochistic little sluts aren't they. I'll get thinking on a post.

            [–]3LiveAFTSOV10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Masochistic little sluts? Sounds like you're describing my current main companion.

            In fact, your whole "95% push 5% pull" strategy describes exactly how I wrangled her...

            Make it a great post

            [–]___Lana___0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

            I’d also love to read you about this, so I could hand it to some male friends struggling with their girlfriends. I read once an article on « how to tame your girlfriend » that was pretty good, but I can’t remember where. It was pretty useful (and funny) though.

            [–]kanzen227 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I think people upvoted him mainly because of the concept of Alpha Omega male, not of female unicorn. The AOM is a real phenomenon, some men do sacrifice their SMV for self-actualization. Essentially they try to maximize their memetic impact on the world instead of genetic impact or carnal enjoyment.

            To be fair the comment author already responded about the definition of unicorn as:

            I should have clarified that my personal definition of a unicorn is not the perfect woman fantasy stuff you read on here. Red Pillers are accurate to say that woman does not exist. But I do think unicorns exist, I just define them as flawed women with solid foundations that can't be shaken. They are not perfect in terms of "everything they do is good and pleasing and life with them is a breeze"; but they are perfect in that they will not be shaken or broken in any major way. These women are uncommon, but they do exist, and in my opinion are worth raising a family with.

            [–]rebelde_sin_causa13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

            The reason you can't find the good ones is that they got snapped up young. Unless you got her young, she's not a unicorn. She wasn't available to you, you never had a chance to find her. Married and settled down making babies by her early 20s at the latest. That's what good marriageable women do. If she's still single at 25, she's not a unicorn. If she's ever spent any time at all on the CC, at any age, she's not a unicorn. And the majority of the ones under 25 aren't either.

            [–]Mr_Tomorrow_2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

            Couldn’t agree more. In societies across the world this has proven to be recipe for marriage success.

            Unfortunately, in Western and 1st world countries it is no longer the norm.

            Women in their 30s are jaded and extremely difficult to be with long-term. There are some good ones out there in the 30s, but, on average your single 30 year old female is single for a good reason.

            [–]rebelde_sin_causa6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Likewise, the man who is still single at 30 is that way for good reason. He was inadequate in some way (usually without knowing it, how many of us have our shit together in our early 20s) because he was unable to provide the setting for the family minded woman I am speaking of. By the time he realizes he missed the opportunity for that, it's usually too late. But it's hard to blame him for not settling down, when most of the cows were giving away the milk for free. He just didn't realize, because nobody told him, that after a very short window of time, there weren't going to be any women left for him who were worth having long term.

            I have a cousin who dated one guy from age 15 on and just married him at 22, right after she graduated from college. She is a unicorn. But here's the key point: You never had a chance with her because you didn't snap her up early like her husband did, and you probably weren't the kind of man able to give a woman like that what she was looking for at that early age (not speaking to you specifically Mr Tomorrow). Her sister, 25, has ridden the CC some and is currently living with some guy. Not a unicorn.

            What I'm getting at is, if you, the man, aren't ready to provide the family setting for one of these women at that early time in life, and you haven't already grabbed one of them, you missed the boat. You can still spin plates of course, but your odds of getting one worth being with long term are tremendously diminished.

            [–]JJ33145 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

            These pseudounicorns are best produced in a certain context: (1) Raised with a system of values that discourages only thinking about themselves before everything, and places moral responsibilities on the shoulders of women, not just men. (2) Her parents are (happily) together (3) She's intelligent and conscientious (which ironically makes her vulnerable to feminist indoctrination, as she will likely be college educated and beyond), but has started to on her own reject blue bill thinking. (4) Low, ideally no, partner count. (5) Has a circle of female friends that are similar to her regarding the above (so that their influence doesn't fuck her up).

            This is a tall order to find such a woman with all of these characteristics, who also happens to be attractive enough for you to give a shit about the above fine qualities she possesses. They exist, but are less common outside of some hard core faith communities. Even then, the female nature persists, and the divorce laws are what they are.

            [–]chances_are_ur_a_fag6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

            well said. even my mother says "you need to teach a woman how to be your wife". russian moms.. god bless em

            [–]Spilledmychips2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            I like the portion “polishing the horn”

            Any woman, man whatever will polish themselves for you if you are the alpha and they the beta, same as in a pack, men will polish themselves and each other with a great example of an alpha.

            Or they/she will leave if they are toxic/offended at your status and dominant position.

            [–]Bruchibre2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            There are unicorns in North Korea apparently

            [–]pohlrich2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

            A lot of people forgetting AWALT

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

            AWALT is AWALT for a reason

            [–]mega_kook1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

            I love this post and wish I learned this lesson sooner. There are definitely no perfect girls out there, and you will always have to work on them as well as yourself, but to me that's the beauty of TRP and this mindset / lifestyle. You will always have to put in effort to improve yourself and the girls that you choose, but that shouldn't be seen as a sad thing.

            There is always room for improvement and those who are willing to work harder than others really get to show off the fruits of their labor in terms of smv and their ltr.

            It's also fulfilling and satisfying as fuck when you can proudly say that you've made yourself into an attractive man that you want to be, and found a woman who you are proud to be with.

            [edit] spelling

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

            I've found that brandishing a hot LTR that is visibly intoxicated by you yields alot more social prowess, as well as personal satisfaction, than being a guy thats fucking half the city. I've done both. The former gives people a proper measurement of your SMV. The latter really just isolates you in a way, personally and socially. Being an absolute player is anti-social. Good to experience, but it is anti-social, no matter how cool it makes you feel. Just my experience.

            [–]mega_kook0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

            Interesting... I think both strategies have their upsides and downsides but I definitely see your point. It’s important to surround yourself with friends who are similarly driven by value so as not to stand out too much or intimidate strangers

            [–]Mr_Tomorrow_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            There are no unicorns. You’re absolutely right. They’ll act as if they are but they can’t keep that act up for ever. Sooner or later (sooner) the real her is exposed and once you accept that the unicorn act of hers ain’t ever coming back.

            [–]TheRedPillRipper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Every woman's a potential unicorn; we just provide the horn.

            [–]zeromonster891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            As many have said before men are a means to an end for women. If we fail to perform for them or a better male comes along we will no longer be in that dream.

            [–]onemanfortress4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

            You come here saying there are no unicorns yet you are investing your life on a unicorn that at any moment can pull the trigger on you.

            Good mental gymnastics.

            ​This video is for you:


            Women are programmed to at a certain point stop feeling tingles for you and start feeling tingles for other men, they just dont know it yet. They will blame you. Its a question of time. All the time you are investing to build her, she will move on and someone else will reap some of your work. So all this text you post is justarrogance. The more you invest and the more you build a womanthe worst it is for you and the more you get hooked, its out ofyour control because its chemical.Some of what you wrote could be redpilled, because you say you know.But when shit hits the fan, you are too hooked to her, and shewill do whatever she wants with you. Others would survive this,by doing somehow what you are doing but pulling out. Bust and move.It means you dont let it get to the point where you are working tobuild her. You are not her captain save a hoe.

            ​Other than this, to make your problem less bad, you can dump herright when you see the first redflags. But even there it willbe devastating to you. Because based on what you said (i dont havemore details), she is now a good woman, that you built, we all know how that ends.

            ​You can also read the phases of Women's Infidelity of Langler.

            [–]PM_ME_UR_NIPS_GURL1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Why would any man want to be loved unconditionally? To be loved unconditionally by a woman is to be loved like a child is loved. Love me the way a man should be loved, not a child.

            [–]toolate4redpill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

            Don't know if I told this story here but..................

            I was nobody in high school, not part of the cool kid clique. There was this girl in my class who was the hottest thing I'd ever seen. She was the impossible ideal to me, totally unattainable. As far as I was concerned she shit cotton candy and rainbows followed her. She was snooty as you might have guessed.

            Fast Forward to my 20th High School reunion. Guys are fat and bald, women have hit the wall. Me? I'm a bodybuilder with all my hair. People don't recognize me. Sitting at a table with 10 other people trying to pick out faces.

            Then this post wall hag who's carrying about 20 extra says to me, "Don't you recognize me?"

            I honestly can't place her. Turns out its my "ultimate" crush.

            I tell her "You look a lot different,sorry I didn't recognize you". She takes this as an insult and proceeds to tell me she's divorced and can get as much cock as she wants despite the added pounds . The table gets quiet.

            I then say, "Any moderately attractive woman bragging about getting guys to sleep with her is like a fish bragging it can swim, its easy and takes no effort"

            Everyone "OOOHS" and laughs. She gets pissed and storms off.


            I learned a lot about women that night. Even though I had insulted her, she eventually took this as me coming on to her. And yea I fucked her in my car at the end of the night. It was kinda gross but hey I had sex.

            Conclusion - Every princess eventually surrenders to father time. She went from the hottest chick I'd ever seen , to a woman I didn't recognize. The irony is I actually proved her right, she got to fuck the hot bodybuilder at her high school reunion.

            In a life of "not proud" moments that one stands out.

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

            she is not a unicorn by nature. And she only remains one because the man keeps polishing the horn that he fucking fashioned in the first place.

            OP...... THERE ARE NO UNICORNS.

            Please stop confusing things by saying there are no unicorns, and then saying what amounts to "you can maintain your unicorn with the finest mythical unicorn-hair-brush".

            There are no unicorns. Some women are less bad than others, but none are perfect and none are perfect for us.

            Yes with high attraction and good game you can maintain a decent LTR..... but only for a time, and only with some probability that is not 100%. That's not monogamy and never can be because there are no guarantees.

            and continue to guide her and you know what, its fucking work.

            FUCK THAT SHIT.

            It's a blue pill myth that a relationship is work. FUCK THAT. If I'm having to work at it, it means she's benefiting from my efforts. Fuck that. Hypergamy, Briffault's law, etc.

            The only work you put into a relationship is: 1. be awesome. 2. show up sometimes 3. don't care too much. 4. ignore her when she misbehaves.

            That's it. You don't invest in her, you don't work on the relationship. That's time and effort right down the drain when she moves on to a guy like me who she sees as "doing it all effortlessly".

            But she is not a real unicorn. She’s a woman who was inspired to emulate one, and she can decide to stop whenever she feels like it.

            Your pseudo-unicorn doesn't exist either. She only looks that way when you're around. She's a woman, that's it. She might be a little less bad than others, she might be a lot less bad, but she isn't "good" or "decent" or anything else that you've pedestaled onto her while crediting yourself for making her that way.

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

            FUCK THAT. If I'm having to work at it, it means she's benefiting from my efforts. Fuck that.

            Scarcity mentality. Don't let yourself get taken advantage of, but don't be afraid to let someone benefit from your efforts. Do not micromanage your results/effort put in. You know the score at the end of the day. As long as you aren't getting fucked, there's no problem with a bit of charity if you have abundance.

            The only work you put into a relationship is: 1. be awesome. 2. show up sometimes 3. don't care too much. 4. ignore her when she misbehaves

            Wouldn't do it any other way.

            Women are like water and will become the shape of their container. There are no unicorns. There are no sluts. There are men imposing their will upon women. That is the point of the post.

            [–]3whatsthisgarg1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

            It's a blue pill myth that a relationship is work.


            how many times have I said this?: "Relationships are hard work" is some Blue Bill Bullshit. You don't work on the relationship, you work on yourself. This probably figures in about half of all my posts.

            OP says: Wouldn't do it any other way. Contradicting himself at least 5X:

            I built who she is now, and continue to guide her and you know what, its fucking work.

            I’m not afraid to admit that creating and maintaining a “unicorn” takes a portion of my mental space.

            The guys who tell me she’s a real unicorn don’t want to admit to themselves that they are incapable of creating one, nor willing to put in the work it takes to be able to.

            You have to work for everything you get in this life, including a unicorn if that's something you want.

            And it’s not really a fucking unicorn if it’s only a unicorn as long as you put in the work now is it.

            We don't know what your life is like; all we can see is what you've written, and you have to admit, this is what it looks like: a lot of fucking effort, for what I guess you are happy with.

            I'm pretty sure Matty is older than you, and I absolutely guarantee you I am old enough to be your father, and we have seen what what women are like after you THINK you've been working FOR them and working ON the relationship.

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

            I get what yall are saying, and again, all true, but misinterpreting what I mean by work. By work I mean putting in the work to become the best man you can, not getting soft or slacking up, and becoming the type of man that can continually inspire a girl to want to be a unicorn. Same type of work that can inspire the same girl to be your nasty whore in a public restroom.

            But yes, the type of "relationship work" yall are referring to is a blue pill myth that will end up leaving you cucked. I should've clarified so guys dont take away the wrong mentality from this post. Keep working on yourself, leave the relationship work to her, and its smooth sailing.

            [–]SlamNRam 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

            You guys are a bunch of faggots. I don't do anything special and have been with my wife for over 11 years, never did anything out of the norm for myself. I'm even an alcoholic, and she's helped me through it and never stopped loving me or being a perfect wife for a second. Met her as virgin, she cleans, cooks, laundry, sex all the time, makes my lunch for work every day, and makes my coffee in the morning. Why don't you cucks just go join MGTOW already. grabs popcorn

              [–]mishasam894 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

              if everything's great then why the f... are you on this sub in the first place?


              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

              Marriage is not the problem, stupid laws are.

              [–]krowitz0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

              She has lupus. I'm sure she is perfect for you, or could it be you can't do any better? I am envious at you for finding contentment.

              [–]SlamNRam 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

              You're so butthurt you went through comment history, fucking pathetic. Something a true cuck would do. Also dipshit, it goes into remission, has no effect on her.

                [–]krowitz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

                Yeah, whatever lets you sleep at night. I hope you keep her, im perfectly sure no one else would want you.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                its true. everyone has to compromise. that perfect girl can only exist in your head, and even then tat unicorn is constantly changing to whatever your next flavor of the month is.

                [–]xEman26x0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

                This. Been trying to internalize this forever

                [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

                The feminist movement claims to have made women realize that they're equal to men. When in reality their perceived self worth hasnt changed at all. All that's changed is men's, who now falsely perceive themselves to have the same inherent value as women.

                [–]BewareTheOldMan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

                "The feminist movement claims to have made women realize that they're equal to men."

                Many women think they made huge gains based on the Feminist and Sexual Liberation Movements when in fact it's men who secured major gains by foregoing traditional roles and expectations while women did the same as well.

                Sure - men suffered losses as a result, but women lost so much more.

                Men have no need to behave as women want simply because women are no longer behaving consistent with men's wants and needs.

                A few people still manage to make it work despite all this nonsense, but most are just flustered and frustrated by second and third-order effects from both social movements.

                [–]HorseSalvatore0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                Can you elaborate on how to make and maintain a "unicorn"? Or maybe recommend a book that has some I useful ideas

                [–]RylanBlackwood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                I think when it comes to calling our girlfriends unicorns we're all exaggerating the phrase in all honesty because we're just happy that she's fairly chilled and picks up a cheque now and again. That to me is a unicorn these days.

                [–]MisplacedSanityP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                What would you say are the most important things that go into building and maintaining a “unicorn”? My focus is implicitly making her feel incompetent in the things she is incompetent in by talking to her about what’s so great about my plates. For example, recently I told her about how hot it was that this girl I fucked had abs and a tight ass and now she’s suddenly going to the gym with me. What do you focus on?

                [–]confusedguy9119110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                Excellent post , I tend to believe if you are a man of high value ,It usually takes a woman of equal value to recognize it.

                [–]FutureDeadGuy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

                How do you guys come up with all this stuff? Seriously, be a man, work out, make a good living and DON'T put up with any bullshit. No one needs a manifesto to do any of those things.

                [–]i-pace_around0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                Um...so...there is literally no such thing as a perfect human being? A fucking 5 year old can figure that out? Do y'all think people are manufactured in factories?

                [–]schifosa800 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                Can someone explain for once what the fuck is a unicorn??? Yes I read the side bar...a women who doesn't cheat? Who doesnt lie? What????

                [–]Docbear640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                The idea of a unicorn is a perfectly feminine woman who has a strong appreciation for masculine male values such as loyalty , commitment, respect, etc.

                If you think you have a unicorn you're really juggling the idea that the woman you're into has a a nearly perfect male brain . .... If YOU don't even have a perfect male brain how can you ever believe that a woman who has been born and raised as a woman ever could ?

                [–]vullnet1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                Still having a hard time accepting this. Swallowed the pill 12 days ago just need it to kick in.

                [–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                "There are no unicorns. Period."

                "A “unicorn” is built and maintained by a man with the ability to, given that he finds a woman with the right foundation...in every case, she is not a unicorn by nature."

                "And she only remains one because the man keeps polishing the horn that he fucking fashioned in the first place."

                "Her unicorn status is CONDITIONAL."

                "All relationships with women are CONDITIONAL."

                These are excellent talking points and extremely useful to any man...lest he forget that IF he loses his value this "conditional unicorn" will easily move to the next man.

                It's a shame, but that's the way it is...and it's much better to embrace that reality as it will serve you well in dealing with women and relationships.

                [–]n124up0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                I probably sound very naive but can someone explain to me what a unicorn is? Also what does TRP stand for? I came across this post and am really curious what this unicorn thing is about.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorReddJive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                A woman will have no problem fucking you to keep access to your money and the "lifestyle" she thinks she deserves. All to make sure you think things are ok. She can desire you and not value you.

                I have seen it. I have been in your house. Ate your food, fucked your wife on your couch, and petted your dog as I walked out the door.

                It's not about her. Her status. It's about what you are and are not willing to put up with in your relationships.

                [–]Dominimus-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

                Yea, you’re confusing quality with compatibility. When you get both, and on top of that a special feeling you’ve never gotten before with intensity you’ve never quite had that doesn’t really quite go away no matter how long you’ve had a relationship with them...Well, such experiences are rare for even the more experienced of us- most of the time. Excepting those that seem to have this experience frequently and often. That’s not most of us.

                Sounds like you haven’t had your soul awakened by another person yet. Or you have, and can see through it. Still. Hell of a drug. I’d still prefer “her” to any other woman I’ve ever been with.

                [–]BirdManBrrrr6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

                with intensity you’ve never quite had that doesn’t really quite go away no matter how long you’ve had a relationship with them

                Spare us the lovey-dovey, New Relationship Energy 4eva! bullshit. It fades even in the most compatible of couples as the hormone and neurotransmitter hangover starts to kick in and life becomes real. This is known academically, and it always ends.

                Ask the guys who ended up divorced and torn down how much they had that feeling when they met their (ex)wives and how they thought they bagged The One and their NRE, oneitis, and BP fantasy of Happily Ever After blew up in their faces. This shit is real and always will be, don't confuse hard work keeping the romance alive and your woman in check with some magical power out of your control.

                Sure, indulge it and ride the exhilarating wave of your newly awakened soul all you want when you meet that perfect girl, but don't ever forget she's just a human woman at core. Yes, she, like All Women, Are Like That.

                [–]Dominimus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

                Agreed! Relationships take work.

                [–]1SexdictatorLucifer[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

                Sounds like you haven’t had your soul awakened by another person yet.

                Don't get too Disney on us now. Yes, a relationship can be very powerful, produce amazing feelings, and the sex that comes with it can surpass anything before. Obviously, I indulge myself. Perhaps I've just learned to see through it while letting myself enjoy it at the same time. Yes, it is a hell of a drug. I respect drugs and their potential to benefit or ruin lives. That's why I keep myself in check when I take them.

                [–]BurnDownTheMission688 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

                Oxytocin has killed far more men than coke or smack or any drug for that matter

                [–]Dominimus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                How do you keep yourself in check with 500 mics of LSD? (Connect the metaphor)

                [–]1ozaku7-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

                So you're telling us that women are made of flesh and blood and are as imperfect as anyone around us?

                But anyway, unicorns do exist. Just not in the way that you admire her like a diety, but that you might consider she would be a good wife and be good with kids, as in "We click because we are alike, and I guess I can deal with you like a best friend I like to fuck and keep to myself and spend some good times together".

                Sometimes you have to give a woman a chance, some are great, some are good some are meh and some are goddammit, run for it! If you only knew how fucked up some women are. My last lay just opened her mouth and licked my lips in circles and thought it's sexy. Or we should just stare at me like a sheep as I was supposed to do all the work to undress her and have sex while she was the startfish. She only did something when I stopped doing ANYTHING to see what she would do, and as soon as I continued, she just raised her arm to take her shirt off. Another would just fake moan so obviously it was cringing. Another one was awesome in bed but she was cute, yet a mental mess who couldn't keep her finances together and complained that I don't buy shit for her. Another was chill at first but then started spewing some religious crap of what is allowed and what not, and that homosexuals should burn in hell.

                There is a spectrum of women out there, from AMAZING to RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, and if all women suck according to someone, maybe that someone should look at himself and ask himself whether he doesn't attract the wrong women to begin with and the good women evade him like the plague. You've got a unicorn if you got a normal one, and that normal one who is like you, just a bit more extrovert about it I guess.

                Gone are the days where I judged a woman by her looks, but rather wondered "You're hot and nice to look at, but I wonder how fucked up you are and how long I can deal with your shit". Ofcourse not in such an extreme way, rather "you look cute, let's see if you behave just as well as good as you look".

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

                But anyway, unicorns do exist.

                Unicorns absolutely do not exist, but at the same time TRP can exaggerate the degree to which every woman is a filthy whore. Look, if we accept that a woman raised in a good home with good values who worships her strong father is going to be a less shitty person (but still not a unicorn) than a woman raised by a single mom who had a rotating flock of live in boyfriends and let her daughter drink and do drugs from age 14, and I think most of us accept this, then we are already admitting that some women are going to be better than others for relationships.

                My point is simply that there are gradations of quality that exist independent of your value as a man when it comes to a woman's suitability for a relationship. We can accept this fact without discarding AWALT and no unicorns.

                [–]1ozaku70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                To me a unicorn is a woman I would just consider having children with, those who seem to become like a truly good mother. For me that's like 1 in 100. But to each their own.

                [–]IrishBeardsAreRed-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

                Downvoted because idk what TRP stands for and I'm on a mission to get rid of abbreviations.

                [–]themcchickenslut 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

                So how does your ‘unicorn’ like living chained in a basement. Jesus, you sound like a damn serial killer rapist.

                  [–]ScorpioEagle2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

                  I feel like you completely missed the point.

                  [–]themcchickenslut 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

                  Oh so you guys him WANT to rape women in basements. Got got. You know you males should be more careful, we all saw what happened to r / incels. ;)

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

                    Banned in 3,2,1...

                    [–]jacob_charles_666 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

                    That you all think there are ‘absolutes’ in life like this is hilarious cynicism. How do y’all go throughout life being so jaded? Have any of you ever been in a healthy long term relationship based on love? I kinda doubt it.

                      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

                      Yes, I have several times. They ended when she got tired of me, or when I slipped up and deviated from the perfect mental image she had created in her mind of me.

                      [–]jacob_charles_666 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

                      Sucks to suck dude - you’ve got my pity

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

                        This is the experience of virtually every man in the West with the exception of a very few.