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Red Pill Theory

The Unknowability of Beta Turd


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An Alpha Asshole is a stone. His shape and properties are easily determined and do not change depending on his surroundings. You might not like a particular stone. It might not fit your particular stone criteria. However your assessment will in no way impact the stone. You can yell at, bite or kick the stone. The stone will remain unchanged.

In contrast, a Beta Nice Guy is a moist turd. Beta Turds take the shape of whatever stepped on them last. Their entire existence is contextual. When a woman goes on a date with a Beta Turd all of her questions will be met with attempts to conform to her expectations. At no point will she be able to get a solid definitive response from mushy turd man because Beta Turds are conformists.

This dynamic creates a crisis of authenticity. Not only is it difficult for people to definitively know Beta Turd but Beta Turds don't even know who they are themselves. Let's use Paul Elam a man who I personally believe to be the Creme De La Creme of Beta Turd as an example. Paul Elam spent years writing articles discussing masculinity and the uncaring manipulative nature of women. Then one day a pretty blond girl named Cassie Jay gave Paul Elam a call about a Red Pill Movie. Next thing you know, Paul Elam has thrown masculinity out the window and is crying on camera begging women to sympathize with his problems. So the question is: Who really is Paul Elam? What does he really believe? Does he think that women are manipulative whores incapable of empathy? Or does he believe that women should empathize with men's issues? He's taken both positions. Which one does he actually believe? Does he even know? All we can say conclusively is that Paul Elam is a mushy turd.

There is something inherently unpleasant and disconcerting about mushy Turd Men. The unnerving feeling is felt strongest by women who are naturally more suspicious then men due to their biological aversion to risk. Imagine you are a woman and your Beta husband hands you a dozen roses while telling you he loves you. Now did he really do it out of love or did he do it to manipulate you into sex? Is he apologizing for something? Is he going to ask for something in return? The inherent anxiety of unknowability destroys the feeling those roses could have created. Now imagine that you are a woman and that your uncaring Alpha jerkboy boyfriend just gave you a dozen roses. He isn't manipulating you into sex because he can cock blast your ladyhole whenever he wants. He isn't trying to influence your emotions because he doesn't give a fuck how you feel. He did it because he wanted to. When an Alpha gives roses they are roses. When a Beta gives roses they are a pretext.

The Manosphere mythos is that Alpha Jerkboys give women tingles. Discussion of the female perspective usually ends there, before the pity party starts playing it's greatest hits. The truth is far darker and more interesting. Women know themselves to be emotional impulsive and a danger to themselves. They know that without a man holding them accountable they are capable of anything from binging uncontrollably like a wild dog to giving themselves a Britney Spears haircut. The problem is that a Beta Turd can't tell a woman no. Like a child he is powerless to stop a woman from doing anything that she wants because he needs her approval to function. A Beta can't stop a woman from becoming her worst version of herself. Women know this and hate them for it.

Beta males are unreliable, undependable and unknowable. They'll tell you all about their fitness and diet regimen to gain your approval then they'll skip the gym and eat a burrito when you are safely out of sight. They'll let their wives and daughters slide deeper and deeper into degeneracy without saying a word. For a Beta it's easier to watch wifey choke on strange dick and daughter cam-whore herself then protect the dignity of the family with a firm No!

There is nothing noble or enviable about Beta Turds. They are not men. Men have thoughts, convictions and values that are held fast and only change for good reason. Betas are nothing more then what their environment tells them to be. Beta Turds deserve only suffering. Only suffering can teach a Beta to stand up for himself and say: No! Until you learn that lesson the stomping will go on indefinetly.

[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (80 children) | Copy

So the question is: Who really is Paul Elam? What does he really believe? Does he think that women are manipulative whores incapable of empathy? Or does he believe that women should empathize with men's issues? He's taken both positions. Which one does he actually believe? Does he even know? All we can say conclusively is that Paul Elam is a mushy turd.

When Kavanaugh was in the hot seat defending against baseless sexual assault claims, Jordan Peterson declared:

Jordan B [email protected]

If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down.

Jordan B [email protected]

I'm not certain that is the right move. It's very complex. But he would have his name cleared, and a figure who might be less divisive might be put forward.

Jordan Peterson who champions the cause of the lost boys suggests backing down to false accusations - the Achilles' heel of masculinity.. What does he really believe? Does he even know?

All we can say conclusively is that Jordan Peterson is a mushy wet turd.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime436 points437 points  (18 children) | Copy

A woman's prime directive is to ascertain the consistency of a turd.

She will regularly poke and prod it, testing to see if it's moistened.

This is why it is known as a shit test.

[–]Modredpillschool321 points322 points  (3 children) | Copy

A woman's prime directive is to ascertain the consistency of a turd.

She will regularly poke and prod it, testing to see if it's moistened.

This is why it is known as a shit test.

Alright, close it up boys. We finished TRP.

[–]maverick975923 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao this thread

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alright, close it up boys. We finished TRP.

We truly are shitlords.

[–]BewareTheOldMan35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

"A woman's prime directive is to ascertain the consistency of a turd" - hence - "This is why it is known as a shit test."

I'm laughing at all of this, but you guys are right.

[–]Andgelyo67 points68 points  (1 child) | Copy


Everyday, I am learning something new here. Everyday,

[–]unknownsapient1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, i'm glad i subscribed

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain33 points34 points  (3 children) | Copy

Unfortunately, when a woman left a beta turd high and dry, the turd won't magically harden up. Paradoxically it stays moist and start absorbing moisture from its surroundings, making it even more moist.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime50 points51 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is because it's in the toilet.

Just another Blue Pill piece of shit that gets flushed away to become sewage.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Moist shit is so repulsive there is an industry created solely to remove it from existence. The toilet paper industry is basically practiced by the entire world regardless of race, age, or culture- everyone loathes wet shit

[–]RiskyRewarder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's why the toilet water is blue

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

universebrain.png, it's all downhill from here.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just got back from my annual physical where I had to submit a turd sample.

Now you're telling me that I AM the turd sample.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

“She’s talking bout them diarrheas”

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

The most lethal of all beta turds

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[–]maroonblood940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m adding this to my list of motivational quotes.

[–]Acropoe190 points191 points  (40 children) | Copy

A Beta can't stop a woman from becoming her worst version of herself. Women know this and hate them for it.

wow. that's deep and it makes a lot of sense.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat18 points19 points  (36 children) | Copy

It is interesting isn't it. The corollary is that an Alpha inspires her to become the best version of herself...

But what is the "best" version would differ depending on whether you are male or female....

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad10 points11 points  (30 children) | Copy

Her best version equates to reproductive success.

[–]jihocech6 points7 points  (28 children) | Copy

This is true in both darwinist or christian view. Funny. Money, career, hottest men in bed mean nothing without children.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad8 points9 points  (27 children) | Copy

I know electricians and HVAC Chads getting more and better pussy then elan musk and mark zuckerberg

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yep. Women here in Australia find tradies to be sexy. Makes sense. A rough man who literally goes to woman-free zones to build the world with his hands, performing many tasks that are not only dangerous, but that women are completely incapable of doing; sun-drenched, muscular, and socially uncouth; a masculine jerk who speaks “locker-room talk” like a second language...it’s all there.

[–]Einzakin15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like you've been fantasizing about this for a while.

[–]Neo9ine2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy

The problem with that is it's typically low-IQ pussy reproducing with low-IQ men. Their mating strategy is one of high-volume, creating the large working-class populace of wage slaves.

High-IQ women mate with high-IQ social betas, like Musk or Zuckerberg, that are still alpha in their professional environment where today's real "hunting" is performed. They have evolved past the base animal nature of sex in favor of resource-wealth and the evolutionary advantage of the family.

Rarely will a high-IQ woman cuckold her husband if he's valuable enough. And, even so, with modern contraception, even if she recreationally re-enacts the urge with a construction worker, the odds of her allowing actual reproductive result are non-existent.

Alpha males who don't earn lots of money are a dying breed who enjoy lots of recreational sex at the expense of their own progeny and being used to perform various high-risk jobs, such as building skyscrapers for pennies or drilling oil, for the benefit of the more intelligent superior class that controls them.

Sometimes they willingly engage in open relationships, whether publicly or not: see Warren Buffet.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy

High IS women are still led by their feelings. More so even.

[–]Neo9ine0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy

You mean High IQ*? So, your argument is that High-IQ women are less rational and more emotion-driven than low-IQ women? That's amusing and something tells me you don't know many, if any, highly intelligent women.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy

High IQ women are more receptive to game. They may understand that game is a game but they still like the way it makes them feel and they are confused by their feelings

[–]Neo9ine1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy

So, what you're meaning to tell me is that "Game" pulls on women's emotions, specifically those which make them feel attracted to a guy.

And that said "Game" is more effective on women who are aware they are being gamed? And less effective on the women who are unaware their emotions are being manipulated.

I wish I could agree with you but your logic seems highly flawed to me. I've found highly intelligent women really frown upon men who are knowingly gaming them, and often make fun of lesser intelligent women who constantly "fall" for game ... remaining unaware of the manipulation.

And your original point is that high-IQ like to fuck manual laborers because they enjoy being manipulated by men of lesser intelligence of whom they are aware they are being gamed. Yikes.

[–]5Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Legend has it that scientists were still able to pick up seismic readings on the feminist REEEEEEEEACTION to this comment even after its third trip around the world.

[–]Lib3rtarianSocialist1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't think it will differ based on being male or female. At least, I can think of no reason.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it would; I can't see a woman's ideal version of her self being the same as a man's idealised version of her.

[–]Lib3rtarianSocialist4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are right that the female imperative differs from the male imperative.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes it seems obvious.

[–]jon_pat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The corollary is that an Alpha inspires her to become the best version of herself...

this should be on the right

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is why training and managing your bitch is imperative, and why we emphasize treating women like children.

Without adult male supervision, women will become impetuous, self-entitled brats.

[–]HighTesticles5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Break her ass and shake her ass."

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev49 points50 points  (16 children) | Copy

Generally speaking, I think a lot of MGTOW types are really idealists disappointed that the "Disney" version of life they were sold as schoolboys isn't reality. Yet let some TradThot post about how she wants someone to care for and a kitchen to be in and they come running, rising to the beta bait and (no doubt) sliding into her DMs. It's painful to watch.

[–]GL_QUAD7 points8 points  (15 children) | Copy

I might not know what DMs stand for (Direct Messages? Dungeon Masters?), but even so, there are places like the redpillwomen subreddit - in there, they usually advocate for some healthy mix of functional A/B qualities in a man. That being said, oftentimes, those girls seem to be long-term oriented.

After all, one can have only so much sex. There are some quite well upvoted posts on redpillwomen about cooking, femininity, and stuff.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

DM = "Direct Messages" AFAIAC.

RPWs are AWALT also, but it's what one does with AWALT. I don't read RPW but if others do, that's fine.

Someone put me on to Georgia Free's videos lately, and, as I see it, she's a career girl who, at 27 has arrived at the "Epiphany Phase". She seems pretty self-aware, but that's not gong to stop hypergamy, it's just that she's going to understand it. Meanwhile, while I haven't read the comments sections of her vids (well, much) I'm relatively certain they're full of (a) Angry Lost Boys, (b) lovelorn Nice GuysTM looking for a unicorn and (c) probably some normals discussing things. Just how I see the world.

[–]GL_QUAD3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just how I see the world.

Sure. And I suppose that is the key aspect of it - if you see the world accurately, then you can make fail-safe decisions. Well, that was such a meta-comment... anyway, short story time:

There's this one guy who got himself a nice cozy apartment just now; he's also finishing a prestigious college (not an MD doctor, but decent earning prospects nevertheless). So this guys finds himself a girl through the internet. First time they meet, she cooks for him. Being quite the momma's boy, the guy is impressed with the girl from the get-go. They get to know each other for a month, and now she wants to move in with him (she'd be moving into a new city; she has no financial backbone of her own).

What is this?

  • True LoveTM that is to triumph all?
  • A girl doing what a girl does: predating on an oblivious victim?
  • A potentially shrewd guy who could see where she's probably coming from; who, in his shrewdness, could decide to keep her around for now (as long as the sex is any good, as long as no ultimatums arise)?

[–]p3n1x4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

if you see the world accurately, then you can make fail-safe decisions.

This is so fucking not true.

"fail-safe" is a non-sequitur to survival.

You can't control all the variables of the world. You might be able to make better 'gambles', but every breath you take is rolling the dice of life.

[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you either mention or state that some of the advice offered to women is detrimental to men, the general response is "Red Pill Women advice is presented to women, for the express benefit of women, and without concern to men."

That line alone tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about that forum. Beware of female wolves in sheep's clothing.

Edited for correction

cc - u/VasiliyZaitzev

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correct, but that should surprise no one. First, AWALT. Second, RPWs and RPMs often have conflicticonflicting goals - and when that happens women, and therefore society, expect men to sacrifice (or be sacrificed) - The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies: For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own

I do not, historically, spend much time at RPW, but I wonder if what the really want could be characterized as “Building Better Betas”.

[–]_anothergumnut_2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

As vasily said, men and women often have conflicting sexual strategies. why would RPW concern itself with benefiting men? Why would TRP concern itself with benefiting women?

RPW is not a unicorn school. It's a space for women to work on female sexual strategy.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

After all, one can have only so much sex.

Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby.

Just because your testosterone runs low, you get feelz for a "unicorn", don't project it on the rest of the world.

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[–]modTheRedPike2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

We don't talk about other subs here. If there is a specific post in another sub that you would like to make a point about, that would be ok as long as it doesn't break rules. However consider this topic forbidden now--only warning.

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[–]Compeliminator39 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy

i used to be a soft malleable turd but after being left in the sun to bake i have become hard and tough

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[–]LucidTramontane3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You asking or saying you dumb fuck.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist91 points92 points  (1 child) | Copy

If this was a Tarantino movie, this would be an opening monologue before you kill the main character and fire up a banging opener soundtrack. That was a great read and in my life very true.

Moist turds

Best gift of the holiday season.

[–]rma9222 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent read, and very observable. I was riding the NYC subway the other night - all the couples were the soy professor types with the fat feminist post-wall women - 3 couples, 3 convesations, each guy basically manipulated himself to...fit into his woman's hole .

Mushy turd men

Almost spit out my coffee from this!

(Edit: Bad formatting because mobile post)

[–]kylebenjaminturner61 points62 points  (31 children) | Copy

One must have values and boundaries that cannot be crossed as an "alpha".

Alphas do not avoid conflict but rather decide which situations to put themselves in.

Not every girl will like you, not every boss will treat you well, not every situation needs your leadership.

Becoming alpha is about putting yourself in situations where you know you'll win.

[–]Andgelyo29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Disagree, being alpha is some times taking risks. Yes, you will lose sometimes. You might even lose everything. However, learning from that experience, over coming challenges, and ultimately becoming greater makes a person Alpha. Challenges don't come from situations where you know you'll win, they come from facing the unknown.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Further to this I'd add it's about putting yourself in situations you can win with reasonable certainty. Psychologists sometimes call it the Zone of Proximal Development; something beyond your current ability but within reach with help from others.

Putting yourself into situations you will most likely fail isn't a good idea, nor situations you can certainly win. Challenge is perhaps more important than winning or losing and specifically, continually taking on challenges. After all success is not final and failure is not fatal. As Churchill put it; any man who can move from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm is alpha.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Don’t bite off more than you can chew”

[–]reluctantly_red15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Becoming alpha is about putting yourself in situations where you know you'll win.

Not really -- that's playing it too safe -- more appropriately being an Alpha means choosing fights worth fighting.

[–]ScroogeMcDaq5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Becoming alpha is about putting yourself in situations where you know you'll win.

It's rather being good strategist. But is it really 100% possible, to know everytime exactly where (not) to go and what (not) to say, not to get into trouble?

[–]MilkMoney1112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to wrestle in high school. If I went on a win streak I would get cocky and be humbled real quick. The most I ever learned were from losses. I would recognize my own weakness and implement new techniques that were used to beat me on other people.

I don't think knowing you'll win is good enough. I think knowing you're going to cause a significant amount of damage that your opponent will rather not fight you next time is a better approach. I don't mind a loss, and I don't care about size differences, because I know regardless if they are going to win, it's going to be one of the most painful wins they'll ever get.

[–]uwey4 points5 points  (24 children) | Copy

Chinese have a perfect saying about this mentality.

You should always strived to be the beak of a chicken, and never should you dream about being a cow’s rear.

For example, you should run a small business and be your own boss instead work for Samsung or Google as some senior manager.

You choose where to fight and wins. Choose where you loose wisely.

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[–]uwey10 points11 points  (22 children) | Copy

500k salary most likely only opened for people have network and generational caste inherent social trends.

If you grew up poor people will know, no matter how polish you get, that is why Europe, Asia, and Middle East is all about family root. Japan will go so far to check any person in your family ever commit a crime.

Lot of it simply protectionism and social acknowledgement. Upper class only hang out with upper class and pass wealth in between because it will be more convenient to deal with fellow oligarchs instead.

Small business can unlock all other things that you don’t necessarily earned and skip to the top if you executed with factor you can control.

I bet you have higher chance to run and maintain the business as white, instead work to get 500k. Many tech are anti white and lots of higher echelons of company are mostly old money. They know who you are and how you get there. Do you think they don’t see million of dreamer that dream for that fat paycheck coming their way? What make you useable to them? What you bring to the table?

Of course, if you born into mid-high class family it is totally understandable to continue the social caste road, if not, small business is almost the only way for someone poor to gamble to the top.

[–]majaka12349 points10 points  (17 children) | Copy

Your mentality is very Asian.

Outside of Asia you will not have a successful small business just because you are white.

This is because the western market doesn't care for gummy chummy buddies with inferior products - either you are the top dog or you are not.

Get that mentality out of your head - you'll thank me for it. It's self defeating and continues this idea that business gives any fucks about your race or upbringing (it doesn't).

In China you can get your buddy in the party to deny the competitor their business license or IP protection...

But tell me, which countries consistently produce the best businesses and products and which country plays catch up by ignoring copyright and patents?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy

But tell me, which countries consistently produce the best businesses and products and which country plays catch up by ignoring copyright and patents?

Right now thats China/Japan/Korea

[–]majaka12344 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy

Oh really?

Top R&D in medicine?

Top producers of technology research including the world's supercomputers and new wafer technology?

So nice to know that the likes of Huawei and Xiaomi, two of the biggest companies in China, have not at any point and do not currently copy the designs of any of the leading western companies.

No sir, the mi book air is totally original.


[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

Top R&D in medicine?


Recently there was a meeting in Stockholm between members of medical ministries from all over the world. The Swedish announced that they are starting a program to TRY to sequence the genome of 10, 000 people by 2025. The Chinese laughed and said they've sequenced the genome of about half of their population and have ALREADY adopted a program where they sequence the genome of newly born babies.

Moreover, look at how fast new medical gene editing technologies (such as CRIPSER-CAS) are developing in China and how much farther ahead of the US they are.

So nice to know that the likes of Huawei and Xiaomi, two of the biggest companies in China, have not at any point and do not currently copy the designs of any of the leading western companies.

Implying that companies do not copy each other - just lol. Look at the chinese tech sector, they've done things that the US hasn't been able to. For example, integrating payments/calling/social media/maps all into one small app called WeChat. Also, look at all of the new ideas coming out of China in terms of R&D for phones and shit. Also, those spy chips that they put into iphones, require a great deal of innovation to make, they went undetected for YEARS because American companies lacked the tech to catch them until now.

China is much more advanced and innovative than the media tells you. That is a Red Pill.

[–]majaka12341 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

We Chat, Line, Alipay. Same thing different name.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Thats the case with every technology. It was copied from someone else, yes even by American companies.

Innovation is in the details and the Chinese are good at that.

[–]Neo9ine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

China is also leading the race in quantum computing as of 2018.

The Chinese do have a "copycat" culture ('the nail that stands out gets hammered down' is a saying there), though and are notorious for their black market products, which they typically sell back to US & western consumers as economic strategy. They also were known to copy existing US business models that work, and adopt them in China, as a form of risk-aversion in entrepreneurship.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The Chinese do have a "copycat" culture ('the nail that stands out gets hammered down' is a saying there), though and are notorious for their black market products, which they typically sell back to US & western consumers as economic strategy. They also were known to copy existing US business models that work, and adopt them in China, as a form of risk-aversion in entrepreneurship.

Everything that China is currently doing is not new - it was done by Korea/Japan before them (Japan required any foreign companies on their soil to share their technologies with EVERY company in Japan - this hit IBM hard in Japan), by the Soviets before them and by the Americans before that.

It's just sound strategy - why invent something new when you can take what works and improve upon it?

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think with proper dedication it is quite achievable to pull 100K+ income in US whatever the exact strategy.

I would not oppose big vs small companies because ultimately this is the same. Many forget that small companies have to cope with clients or go bankrupt (90% companies after 3 years there) so many small companies boss are just slave of their clients.

On the opposite, many forget that big companies equal to leveraging other people, that is the most effective way to gain power. You cannot do everything by yourself, you have to delegate and that exactly what you do when working in a big company. You leveverage the company in you to get to have lot of people and resources at your disposal.

[–]uwey0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What I don’t get is there are people in denial.

Denial of social engineering.

Believe if you have X then social stuff don’t really matter. Yes it does and it always will be.

Do you think Trump win because coincident? No he born in right type of family that he grew to have right type of talent with right type of people to make right deal. All that are interconnected.

I do believe no matter how good is your product, or how the best you are in certain field, if you don’t know people you are just another useful idiot. Tesla is perfect example, even Eisenstein think he is the brightest and smartest person of the generation and Edison, a typical I know JP Morgan asshole, use the shit out of him and basically own his success.

Social ties and cronies exist way before so call marketing, best practices, or even product. You might get lucky but that is not how majority of the world works. Chinese is not unique nor universal. But they have the fundamental that American used to have but gradually lost in current generation.

Win by pay it in enemies expense. Win by have everyone in your side. Win by have best connection. Win by have largest backer in the markets.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well nothing can be ever achieved by a single person. One always depends of others to provide furnitures or service and to buy one product or services.

Somebody like Trump with the family money and family relations is given quite a head start and as our time on this earth is quite limited, this truely significant.

But make no mistake, no everybody is able to multiply the family money by a factor of 15 or to be elected as president of united states, even with right family connections.

On the contrary, somebody that is really motivated witll soon find way to prove invaluable, create a big social circle and progress at a steady rate.

If you can only value technical mastery in a field that pay well (medecine, computer science, finance...), without any significant family connection or any outstanding social or managerial skills, you'll soon be above 100K$/year.

If you manage that money just decently, you should have more than 1 million dollar on the side when you retire.

Somebody that has great social skills (not outstanding) and as the sence of affairs on top will likely manage to get 300-500K+ annual income and get arround 10 million or more when he retire.

For somebody with outstanding skill and motivation, there truely no limits.

For sure having a head start is extremely valuable, but you have to leverage it and the more you family already has, the less incentive there is to make any effort.

But to succeed you have to try first, from what I can see, we are far from 10% of people trying their best. Maybe 1-5% of the population is really trying to maximize their career and income in a meaningfull way. Maybe because they don't think it is really worth it. And they are not necessarily wrong.

[–]yumyumgivemesome38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

I truly appreciate these consistent reminders to quash my blue pill mushy turd mentality when it crops up from time to time.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've been critical of OP in the past. This is genius.

edited: overly critical

[–]frooschnate0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Smart dude, bit fucking hard headed at times

[–]BurnoutRS13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

The intense desire to be liked, causes a person to, over time, develop into a form of social tofu. Adapting to each new group to be the least threatening, make the least noise, ruffle as little feathers as possible... so as to ensure acceptance and survival.

Im getting sick of people like this. I find them increasingly disingenous. I have male friends, who, Im losing my trust in, and respect for because they just tell me what they think I want to hear. What they think will keep me coming around. Its conflicting for me, cause Im not yet at the point where I can always tell if someone is just supplicating or if theyre speaking honestly. Especially since some people are sincerely retarded.

[–]destraht7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm at a point in the West where I perceive about half of all behaviour as offensive or grating. I'm relieved when I can just head nod sup a dude at a checkout line without having to go through a contrived how are you? line of fake shit. That happened to me yesterday and the memory is still fresh. It was awesome. I have very fond memories of Eastern Europe and being able to deal with a lot of people without them being fake all up in my business while trying to vampire emotions. There if someone is miserable as fuck then they get to be that and its fine. There isn't that oh someone has a case of the Monnn-days antagonistic shit. I really like that part of Eastern Europe perhaps most of all. The downside is that its made living in plastic Western places to be more difficult because I know more about how full of shit that they are. Its endemic and as naturally unnatural as breathing for them. You can't stop it. The monster creation needs to exhaust itself through its own efforts. Let the energy vampires orgy on themselves.

[edit] Fuck ya bitches! I just got my shiny new 10-year passport. I was stateless for a bit there.

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I know the frustrations you speak of. When I moved cities for my education, I left behind a group of friends in my hometown who were (and still are) content with smoking weed, magic the gathering, youtube and leading a mediocre BB existence. Most of them are either stuck in a joyless relationship or are becoming burned out incels. It is no surprise to me that, now that we're all near the end of our twenties, some aready hitting thirty, that the results (or rather, lack thereof) of their decisions is catching up to them in the form of depression, burnout or overall apathy.

Getting sick of them is only the beginning. My advice to you is to stop caring about their supplication and just chill. It shouldn't affect you that much unless you let it. Either seek out new, masculine friends you can relate to or just stop caring about trying to redpill your friends, that rarely turns out well. Making friends really is as easy as asking that cool bro from your boxing gym if he wants to grab a beer afterwards.

[–]BurnoutRS2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The similarities between my old friend group and yours are almost eerie. Youtube, weed and magic.

You're right about the just chill thing. Im trying to keep myself from getting obsessive about it. I went out with one of my beta friends the other night. I took control, we went for a trail walk at first, then ate and played pool for a couple hours. There were some moments where I was a bit more introspective, more apprehensive and in my head than I usually am. Which I attribute partly to being way too attentive to how beta the guy is. Has huge personal space issues and a bit of a lack of spacial awareness. Gotta move/watch out for other people at the other tables when youre in a pool bar

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The intense desire to be liked, causes a person to, over time, develop into a form of social tofu. Adapting to each new group to be the least threatening, make the least noise, ruffle as little feathers as possible... so as to ensure acceptance and survival.

This is why I cannot stand corporate America.

[–]herrazki40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy

More, I can't get enough of this subreedit. I am going to being honest. I already red 90% of top posts in trp, the sidebar, the rationale male, illimitable man and pretty much everything. it's have been 3 years since I started reading trp everyday, now all my friends comes to me for relationship advices, also now I can even sometimes tell my friend what his girl will respond, 99% of time I get the answer yes, I only had a average history with women but when I talk about gaming and girls, people assume that I am player or some pua artiste, it's like I lived and experienced every story I read here, TRP has given me the ability to read women mind, and not only women, men also. I don't post here at all but Gaylubeoil I have red all your posts like 2 or 3 times, I want to thank you for trying to keeping trp alive.

[–]tyronethejabrone17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah being adept in TRP makes women incredibly predictable. Its a Praxeology after all

[–]frameTrumpsShitTests14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to fail to really understand. So far, it's only a theory. Your Lizard-brain doesn't speak womanese yet.

Be careful. When you try to apply your newfound knowledge you will fail hard.

I also think it's hilarious how easy things are when you understand. No need to walk around different forbidden views and unite the remaining contradicting worldviews. I also have to thank GayLubeOil for his constant humorous reminders and investments in young men.

[–]jalapenotrp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been doing the same since I discovered The Red Pill a few months ago too. I've been married for almost 14 years now, and I have a good relationship with my wife, I'm a natural red pill guy. The red pill has given me a framework for understanding women and relationships in general.

[–]TRParchivist23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

Betas are unconscious mushy turds. Paul Elam isn't a mushy turd, he's more of a sneaky squirt that hides itself as a fart. He's out to get heard by any means necessary, which includes crying like a babe on camera to earn those sympathy points - no press is bad press. His use of turd behavior seems deliberate, at the very least conscious.

Perhaps, even suffering cannot save certain turds.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Who would have thought thread of the year would be just before the new year.

[–]Modredpillschool10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

This thread is a fresh shit with surprise corn in it. You don't remember eating corn. Can't flush it so you might as well just get a new metaphor because I'm confused.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I seriously can't wait to call someone a moist turd. It's soooo good.

[–]1278209AR948Q19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

When moist turds criticise GLO for "muh t shirts", they don't realize why he is allowed to.

Not much more to add. Women don't like mushy turds. Men don't like mushy turds. Your family and relatives don't like mushy turds.

When the tide rises, it washes all the mushy turds and only leaves the rocks standing.

Have a goddamn spine.

Edit: grammar.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are like water, taking the shape of the container of a real man. Beta damp turds mix with the water and become messy diarrhea pools. Both parties are left feeling gross after.

Next level literal shit post that articulates truth. Bravo, you're channeling Diogenes here. A man is a rock, therefore a not-man must be some other unfortunate piece of unprocessed squishy carbon. You should pluck a chicken next.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are like water, taking the shape of the container of a real man.

When you notice a woman you are with starting to subtly alter her manners of speech to mimic you, that's when you know you've got her. I love that feeling.

[–]Auxfite2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy

We don't choose who we are. I deeply believe those who have accepted the Redpill had the tendencies to become "alpha". They didn't "change". They improved themselves.

Betas will always be blind to the truth we teach men here. And there's nothing in the whole universe that can change that.

[–]Vikingcel-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy

Why would god make me a beta?

[–]Auxfite19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

God didn’t make you a beta. Your environment did. Your beta father and friends. The new age feminist culture. The bullshit lies society feeds you to believe what attracts women. Stop blaming God for your misfortunes and change. TRP already lays the blueprint on how to become a top rank alpha but modern day men have become lazy cucks who complain and make excuses.

Romans 12:2

Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind

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[–]Auxfite7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others.

Challenging people's beliefs only serves to isolate you. They will feel personally attacked and do whatever it takes to protect themselves and/or defeat you. It's pointless to argue, especially in the workplace. You will only offend people by not agreeing with them and how they choose to live their lives.

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[–]2comment3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same reason he made Joseph a cuck.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He works in mysterious ways...

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[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I found that viscerally offensive.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That would be the correct response, but at least some guys will give you the courtesy of telling you something like this. Women? They will happily let you dig their ditches while other men plow her fields.

[–]panconquesofrito2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was a pretty damn good read!

[–]FormerBlueFool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

U/GayLubeOil thanks for this post. I really really needed to read this.

Earlier today I made the belated decision to cut ties with a very old friend (who happens to be the Biggest Bluest Turd I know). It wasn't an easy decision, but your post has cemented in my mind that he truly is a blue turd and isn't worthy of my continued time and attention.

[–]TheStoicCrane5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's said on this forum constantly that women are like children. What do children need to keep themselves from getting ran over or electrocuting themselves by sticking a form in a power outlet?

They need adult supervision. "Alphas" are adult males whereas "Betas" are children. Women respect men (Alphas) but they absolutely hate dealing with literal and figurative children (Betas) that isn't their own long-term.

[–]JonathanMekerset1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really FUCKING like this analogy

[–]maverick97591 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Deja Vu ? Is this a repost ? It's a damn good analogy. Cool reminder.

[–]IRunYourRiver1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think we all recognize this on some instinctual level. What makes TRP unique are posts like this that are willing to bluntly point this out along with resources on how beta turds can solidify. Lift. Sidebar. Fail. Try again. No shortcuts.

[–]tokegifford1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I get the idea that being a nice guy beta boy and trying to appease a girl to gain attraction doesn't work. But doesn't running game put you in the same category of mushy turd? You'reg a certain way because you want something from her.

[–]akzunamoon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a fact often discussed, but misinterpreted. You should take the red pill for yourself, not in the intend of getting back something from world.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I had a "friend" like this once. He came to me only when needed, and when i was ready to date a hot girl he ruined the Whole thing gossiping things to her and my other friends. Busted the fucker in the mouth and sent him to the nearest hospital, but i heard he didn't learnt the lesson and now he's in the process of getting his ass kicked again. well, repetitia iuvant

[–]destraht1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like the violence but obviously it didn't affect anything while putting you at risk of losing a good chunk of your life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yes, i know. but sometimes violence helps getting the point across. especially for beta turds who needs an attitude adjustment.. oh, happy new year bro :)

[–]Elfclan301 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They have something in common, they gossip a lot and usually are goofy . They are so socially unaware that he probably does not know himself about his own behavior. At least I used to be like that.

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was so annoyed when that movie came out… Fuck Paul Elam with an industrial size dick

[–]TruthSeekingPerson1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Paul Elam last I heard was living with a woman.

Also, the underlying tone of his youtube videos is one of a hurt victim who is angry at women for not treating him the way he wants to be treated.

The bottom line is he's a simp in MRA clothing and he's far too emotional to be taken as an authority on things.

[–]Unexpecter4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was very good read. Thank you.

[–]Infla-mood5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have never read any Paul Elam articles. His articulate words in The Red Pill are enough to make me a fan. Does an imperfect delivery of his message negate his impact, as one of the few willing to stand up and say, "this is wrong and here's why." He has courage. He's not Gay Lube Oil. He's Paul Motherfucking Elam. And he has something to say.

Jordan Peterson. On numerous occasions he has publicly stated that upon reflection he was wrong. A real man listens to opposing arguments and reflects on what was said and IS WILLING TO CHANGE HIS POINT OF VIEW. He throws hubris out the window and understands that an argument is more than parroting a point of view. We're trying to get to the truth.

[–]RealMcGonzo2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I cannot fucking stand the worst of the betas. You never really know what they are thinking, where they stand, what they might do, what they might say because they hide everything.

[–]Arednor139 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Unpredictability is alpha. Betas are boring and predictable. They stand wherever the group stands and think whatever the group thinks.

[–]destraht1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is this 60 year old hard blue beta who was pushed out of my mom's group. In the first 15 minutes of knowing him I wasn't sure if he was a next level, old school player or a major turd. In a discussion he would already side with the female collective to bank those pussy points. He would also be Mr. Fixit for more pussy points. Finally after having a nice good stash he would get drunk and grope the women and aggressively try to fuck them. He was doing this with in-group women just he same as the out-group ones. He got a reputation for being a real creep and just never seemed to be able to cash in those points. His reputation is shit but he did get to fix my mom's pool pump a few months ago. He sure is a creep but he has been a lot of help lately.

[–]5Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

An interesting thing I've noticed about TRP is that you lose your anger and bitterness towards women but you gain a deep revulsion towards betas that dwarfs any negative feelings toward women you ever had in your past. I seriously hate them too. Dealing with them at work is the worst. You just want to kick the shit out of them so badly.

[–]keenostreef1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy

A lot of this is based on over generalization and even false foundations. Let me explain:

It was WOMEN who propagated the myth of "authenticity" to hide uncomfortable truths. "I like the asshole/jerk because he's authentic - he's himself and genuine," they say. If they were speaking the truth, they'd really say, "I like bad men because it appeals to my instinct to be dominated."

There's nothing "noble" about being a stone. Studies show that people low in agreeableness have a significant chance to end up in prison. They end up entering the government's frame with dog collars on their necks.

There are also many different types of betas. Some definitely have no balls and deserve scorn. Others just seem beta, but are actually people with principles which they will stand up for. There's even a popular womens' romance novel series with a "beta" hero whose appeal to women is that he's unwavering with his high ideals and respect. It does take a certain amount of strength to be a beta, when you can change. For some of these men, their "flaw" is that they are too much of a stone and will not compromise their blue pill ideals at any price.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

There's nothing "noble

There is nothing "noble" about sticking a red, engorged body part into another human and gyrating until a sticky goo shoots out of it, yet here we are.

Morality is the most false of foundations when examining people. There nothing wrong with having morals. Just don't expect your moral perspective to provide an avenue to objective truth.

And some people that are low in are high in impulse control. That's so very not a stone.

[–]keenostreef1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Morality has NOTHING to do with my post.

I was responding to the OP talking who mentioned "nobility" and playing up the "stone man" as some paragon in comparison to the beta.

You know what a man who doesn't adapt to his environment and surroundings is? A dead fish in the water. Prisoners couldn't adapt to courtrooms, betas can't adapt to clubs, women can't adapt to red pill, etc etc.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Morality has NOTHING to do with my post.

Uh huh. Get their faster. You missed what he was saying.

[–]keenostreef2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

No, you missed what was going on in the posts.

He thought I was critiquing the "be an unchanging stone" idea on the basis of morality (because I used the word 'noble' in quotations); I pointed out morality had nothing to do with my post.

Reading comp.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

As a hardened veteran of GLO initiated sperg-a-thons, I'm going to let you in on a secret here: the post wasn't about what he said. It was about what you would say.

[–]keenostreef2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have no clue what you are talking about.

Speak directly and CONFIDENTLY, like a man. Not in vague parables. Do I make myself clear?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was being literal. There are two head comments that said the same thing.


Funny because we've been doing that for thousands of years in an effort to teach.

[–]strikethrough1234 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Authenticity is very important for women. Why do you think they spout out “be yourself” every chance they get? No, they don’t want you to become alpha. They don’t want you to become jacked and adopt alpha behaviors. They want good genes, pretending to have good genes is their kryptonite. Why do you think shit-tests exist? They want to put in you in your box. “Be yourself” is a filtering mechanism that easily weeds out the alphas and the betas if they follow it.

Every reformed beta is a threat to their SMV. Less beta orbiters, less social points. Why do you think your female friends will try so hard to keep you in your beta box? They don’t want you to change for yourself, because then you’ll put their hamster in overdrive.

[–]keenostreef4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is true. We're not contradicting each other. What's not true is women valuing authenticity for authenticity's sake, as if they "want to keep it real." What they really mean by authenticity is: "Don't trick me about who you are."

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It’s not important but yet it’s important. Understood.

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[–]Arednor132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being a stone in a world of turds is unpredictable. No one expects to be challenged by a strong willed man in 2018.

[–]KewlThanks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, they are pathetic losers, but hopefully over time they will be bred out for the most part, as now we reach a point where their betrayal of society is going to have consequences, as there's people who want death to our way of life. And women are complicit in it for the most part.

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good reason: obvious self-benefit.

[–]J1N66660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a really good post. Didn’t really think about it in that context but its quite an interesting perspective on the sternness of men.

[–]judas7340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you theory summed up in 4 words "don't be a phoney"

[–]Bear-With-Bit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know that counter argument, the one that goes, "Well, men do that, too."

They're referring to beta turds.

In my head it's now "women and most men."

Women and most men are unreliable, deceiving, compromised, undisciplined, boring, and unfit for leadership.

To be alpha is to be the exception.

[–]jon_pat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you kind of described jewish men (i know what some will answer)

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Very important distinctions that i kinda have been on the fence about regarding Paul E. & Jordan P. Now i know why i kinda approached the both of them with caution.
A lot of material they have is actually good, but yeah when you look at their entire frame of reference (the forest), the trees aren't really all that great

[–]Youngyoda890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Incredible brother! This reminds me when Tekashi was asked who he likes for president. He said trump. The interviewer tried to sway him with - but he’s racizzssst🤪🤪🤪. Tekashi said - I don’t care if he racist.

Your post is so insightful in regards to rock hard frame. One of my favorite forms of entertainment is to watch Tekashi 6ix9ine shake up the fucking gay ass rap industry. A lot of people will attemp to discredit but the kid has fucking frame.

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Being reliable and predictable is beta.

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Why has this been reposted? This is old...

[–]bakamoney11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

"A stone is a stone. Then and now."


[–]LOLMUFFINLOL-3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy

"Beta males are unreliable, undependable and unknowable." This doesn't make sense to me. As an alpha you want to be unreliable because you don't give a fuck and show up late to a date. Same gist for undependable. And for unknowable its very alpha and powerfull to be unknowable. See: 48 laws of power.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy

You can't be a leader and be undependable. People need you. You need to be there. Alexander the great sets the standard for his army with his behavior. It's very very important to set clear standards especially the more people you lead. Otherwise it becomes a logistical nightmare.

I categorically oppose 48 Laws of power and all manifestations of Neoliberalism

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Liberalism is moral syphilis

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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Red Pill is a rejection of Liberal Feminist society. Feminism is also sexual liberalism.

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I'm curious: how is the 48 Law of Power a manifestation of neoliberalism?

[–]thekidintheback3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is top cringe. Did you learn how to be "alpha" from reading "The Game"?

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