I don't understand why people hate the red pill

sokic · 2018-04-12T16:48:10+00:00

I find there are 3 types of people who hate TRP:

1) People who have never actually read TRP but have heard some offhand comments about it that made it sound like it was a bunch of sexist pigs.

2) People who don't want to make significant change in their lives so they would rather just look at the world with blue tinted glasses.

3) People who are scared that their preferred treatment they receive will be jeopardized if they see more people taking in TRP material and thus lashing out at anyone spouting these beliefs.

3d_truth · 2018-04-12T16:44:16+00:00

Half a year ago I despised one of my friend Sam for learning game. It seemed very shallow and egotistical. I thought he was pretty much learning how to 'trick' girls and he should just be himself instead. I was above all of those pathetic guys who only cared about getting pussy. Me and my other friend would laugh about Sam and how he aspired to have multiple girls at a time.

Meanwhile Me and my other friend were getting cuckholed while Sam did whatever the fuck he wanted. But I don't think it was jealousy that made me despise game. It was more the fact I was unwilling to let go of my romantic Disney myth of women and relationships.

sokic · 2018-04-12T16:51:52+00:00

When a beta tries to be alpha it comes off as creepy. A fit guy will have more success than a fat guy with the same pickup line since people very quickly ascribe them to the alpha and beta roles.

Similarly, TRP users (generally) don't know sexual strategy. Those trying to learn it come off as betas trying to be alpha, so naturally it's going to be creepy. I can understand it.

I'd say that endorsed contributors and the like are treated more with anger than disgust, due to their unapologetic teaching role.

fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck- · 2018-04-12T16:57:52+00:00

It doesn’t help that:

1) Many guys are in the anger phase.

2) Racists love to hang out here. Funny how “white power” dorks love to pretend they’re alpha while proclaiming their superiority, but no alpha would do that, and they certainly wouldn’t eradicate/remove the “competition” so that they’re now superior when compared to.... um, nobody’s left. Superior by default doesn’t make you superior. It makes you a pussy.

AllRealsAndNoFeels · 2018-04-12T19:48:34+00:00

I imagine that it's the blunt, harsh language that turns off the majority of these nay-sayers. It's hard to find a post that's not slathered in language like, "you're a fag," "she's a whore," "stop being a bitch," "a woman is just a child," "all women are like that," and so on. If you're the average Joe or Jane, who lacks the ability to read critically, any single paragraph can push your SJW sign-writing skills to their limits.

A Nice Guy or Average Jane would see these words and immediately feel that they're an attack on all that's sensible in the world. Even if they would agree with the point being made, the language offends them to the core and puts them on the defensive. They feel that their world-view of peace and perfect equality has been punched in the mouth, and that they need to start swinging back.

Think back to when you were a fat, beta-bitch, feminist ally, and imagine reading something like "all women are like that." Even if part of you understands the underlying message and that it isn't literal, it's the mere arrangement of words on the screen that gets your panties in a twist. You haven't yet sided with TRP, and the first thing you see is an attack on your gender, or the gender that you feel that you need to protect. It's upsetting to the core.

The language has a purpose, and I'd consider it a necessary component. Many men who arrive at TRP, do so while they're broken and angry. The nasty language creates solidarity, and pushes other men to action. The words need to spark a fire in that man, and harsh words do just that. The nasty text lets you know that other men have stood exactly where you are now, and felt exactly what you're feeling. Kind words created the problem, and a few brutal paragraphs can solve it.

Or it's because the nay-sayers are fag-bitch whore-children who are all like that. I don't know.

Thisisaghosttown · 2018-04-13T00:40:59+00:00

I’ve been here for years now and I don’t think it’s misogynistic at all. Almost everything that is taught here are basic life lessons and wisdom.

I also think that this place is filled with a lot of dudes who are angry because they were at the bottom of the totem pole in their younger years whether it be college or high school, and now they’re trying to be the jocks in some sort of revenge fantasy.

This place has given me some useful tools to help me get around in life, but to be honest everything that I’ve accomplished so far was just trial and error from putting myself out there and getting burned constantly until I figured something out. I used to have horrible social skills but i improved them greatly just from taking risks.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet though, this place to me is like Alex Jones and InfoWars. There’s some valid and true information, but the majority of what you read on InfoWars is just conspiracy theory subculture fluff that’s not rooted in reality.

For the same reason people hate InfoWars they hate TRP because they know nothing about it.

LiftOrGTF0 · 2018-04-12T17:08:08+00:00

The truth hurts, especially when people realise their entire life is/was based on a lie.

Thunderfin · 2018-04-12T17:11:20+00:00

Most people don't dig deep into reading what TRP actually is. They assume on a superficial level that it's misogynistic. Pretty much it.

R41nmaker · 2018-04-12T21:32:07+00:00

I never realized how “blue pill” I was until I started reading about the red and blue pills on Reddit, literally about a month ago when I first created my account.

I am not a sexist or mysogynist. In fact, I love women. However, I am not stupid and I will not succumb to unrealistic demands. At least not after taking the red pill. After a rough break up from a nearly 10 year relationship, I was being a blue piller AF afterwards. I became depressed and very needy. I was hopeless.

I then began seeing my therapist more. I started eating healthier. I am going to the gym and being active. I am being more social. The Red Pill has opened my eyes and is making me into a better version of myself everyday. The inspirational stories I see here are what push me to become a better, stronger man.

Thank you, fellow Red Pillers.

TryhardPantiesON · 2018-04-12T17:35:45+00:00

/u/bupkiss1290 and /u/Mawely made some good points, but there is something that people fail to mention.

Some members on this community are really toxic, like I get it, you are an alpha and all, but you don't have to over use the word "fucking" as in fucking lift, fucking read, fucking this and that... Another thing I noticed is the use of insults and derogatory remarks when they are giving advice, if people do dumb shit and come crying to this sub, the last thing they need is someone to grill them for the mistakes they have made, they are here to receive advice and support from others.

Here is an album someone sent me a few months ago, when I was speaking on behalf of The Red Pill subreddit when someone claimed that it was a toxic subreddit. I couldn't build a case after that, and better shot my mouth.

https://imgur.com/a/bGiiW

This is the kind of things that has kinda driven me off from The Red Pill in a sense that I am not as active as I used to be. Now I just lurk and comment once in a while. I am not an overly sensitive individual, in fact most people consider me to be very estoic, even insensitive, but I just prefer not to receive the negativity that some users in The Red Pill community give.

I do not ask people to shower in compliments each other, simply be polite and respectful, even when correcting someone who is giving bad advice, as I am sure that most people will just downvote them for giving bad advice.

Just my 2 cents, you can downvote if you want, but at least make some self analysis and see if you are an example of a toxic user and correct that behaviour, if you are not part of that group, then my utmost respect to you.

izual19 · 2018-04-12T22:02:19+00:00

Discovering the redpill gave me a whole new appreciation for rap lyrics. I used too think they were mostly nonsense and shallow. Turns out its the only genre of music that has been preaching the truth.

karkyflarky · 2018-04-12T17:22:49+00:00

Feminism is strong enough to do that. There are many blue pill people out there who are in no way shape or form feminists but have been indoctrinated in to a world which feminism is almost gospel. Your slaves don't have to like you just because you are there master. They might not even know. That is an example of there power over society. Let's be honest here the red pill is not exactly appealing. Everyone here can even say that the denial stage is hard to fully get through. It never seemed moral to all of us here imagine how bad it looks to blue pill pro feminists. I speak as recovering blue pill anti feminist. Also the red pill on politics is way more mainstream and in politics certain groups seen as red pill are the sort of people getting accused of being nazis. I know this because the guy who sent me here had to listen to me get confused.

Deep_freeze202 · 2018-04-12T19:55:00+00:00

TRP threatens women's dual mating strategy by giving men the ability to rise above being a beta provider, as well as actively discouraging men from sacrificing their own ambitions and desires to cator to a woman's.

TRP threatens the accepted narrative that women are oppressed underprivileged special angels deserving of special treatment, this of course has a wider impact of threatening women's ability to receive benefits simply for being female as well as the larger social structure built around this system.

TRP destroys the process of transforming men into disposable resources to be exploited.

TRP shatters the comfortable lie, some people are so hopelessly dependant on the system they will fight to protect it.

jrr6415sun · 2018-04-13T02:33:59+00:00

are you in denial? The RP paints women as animals that only care about alpha males. In this PC society you don't get why that would offend people?

BlondieMonster89 · 2018-04-12T16:31:55+00:00

Well said

Ou-tis · 2018-04-12T19:27:50+00:00

Talk for yourself,I am sexist since birth.

EminemLovesGrapes · 2018-04-12T20:18:39+00:00

Just like any ideology there's parts of it that are pretty..... immoral.

Dread game for instance. Which is valid. That shit terribly manipulative and if you ever have t consult that you're better off breaking up tbh.

People who criticise the red pill take the few toxic parts of it and then claim that therefore the entire movement is toxic.

An example would be quoting a few comments from people on the subreddit and then saying "ooooo that's the entire movement consisting of 250.000 people's opinion" While in reality it might be a few hundred. At best.

Or they quote stories of autistic/mentally damaged people using TRP in completely the wrong way as proof that the entire movement is toxic.

Or they quote to the fact that TRP is all based on conjecture. Anecdotes. Not scientific study. Pseudoscience. Which I consider valid. TRP is just men throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Inherintely TRP is just a bunch of men trying to figure "it" out. Not all of us are manipulative assholes. And not all of us are so mentally damaged and vulnarable that we can't judge right from wrong.

They just don't see that.

Auvergnat · 2018-04-12T21:30:13+00:00

We do have a lot of downright "misogynistic" comments. Aka, as per definition "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women". A large part coming from young people who have suffered from being rejected, exploited or hurt in a way or another by women. It's easy to find examples here and there of these sort of offending content, which our detractors latch onto. It's not all of TRP, but the criticism extends to the whole of TRP for allowing this to go on. The worst of it is shot down by mods, but not all.

That a large majority of users and comments are not misogynistic, that the theory discussed accurately represent human behavior, that the lifestyle advocated is one of health and strength, that we provide a support for men and often save their lives, or that we make sexually-fulfilled women and men are often unknown to the haters, or simply irrelevant in the light of what offends them.

The problem is that we get all those benefits specifically by not policing speech. Free speech is what gave us that gold. Had PUA and TRP speech and tone been effectively policed from the top down, we would have never gotten there.

I get why they hate us. Poor kids get offended easily these days, so I'd imagine they really choke to find actually offensive content. But no need to care about it. Keep working on yourself, digging the gold from TRP while discarding the shit.

Viking_RnP · 2018-04-12T21:58:16+00:00

We're told from a young age that we'll be happy if we float around everyone and avoid all conflict as if we're all Peter Pan.

The reality is we are happy to set sail with Captain Hook and blast our way through our conflicts risking a sword in our throats.

[deleted] · 2018-04-13T00:11:55+00:00

People don't want to learn, they want to assume.

cl3537 · 2018-04-12T19:12:41+00:00

Redpill doesn't advocate healthy relationships with women it is strategy to get sex from women without commitment.

Sure some women want just that, but they can also get sex from a thirsty beta who might also commit to them.

The upfront strategy for Redpill isn't what is objectionable, it actually leads to great sex. Its what happens when you have the power and just use it to manipulate and use women that is more offensive.

[deleted] · 2018-04-12T17:57:05+00:00

For a feminine primary society covertly ruled by feminzis, the TRP is a convenient bogyman. They may hate it, but they need it. Just like the Russian commies invented a new bogeyman, the Kulaks, to hate as a means to galvanize support for the state. Currently any old, white, male is the bogyman as well for the feminzis. They need an enemy to rally against to garner support to their cult. Most cults have central figure of goodness, but this one needs an enemy like in 1984.

zboo1h · 2018-04-12T18:28:11+00:00

People who "hate" the red pill either don't know what it is or are far too stupid to understand.

02537-41101 · 2018-04-12T20:10:05+00:00

Truth hurts.

bumbuff · 2018-04-12T21:30:13+00:00

A few good points made. Another reason is that many people also confuse RP theory to PUA. Mastering RP leads to increased sex as a byproduct but it's not the main goal.

Rian_Stone · 2018-04-12T21:40:26+00:00

Why do people hate Apple, Facebook, PC gaming/Console gaming?

Because someone who bought ad space said so.

https://twitter.com/_Rian_Stone/status/984534099779080192

It's not rational either. This came after I responded to someone in my friends feed after forgetting to check which sub they were in. I told him I voted for the NDP last election (socialists) and was a POC, and this was his response.

Theguygotgame777 · 2018-04-12T23:14:55+00:00

Someone hasn’t read the sidebar on the main sub. Read over the “Misandry bubble” to understand this.

montereybay · 2018-04-13T01:54:30+00:00

The world is dominated by feminist group think, and rigidly enforced. It's gonna take a while to loosen the grip.

majestyalphaq · 2018-04-13T04:43:32+00:00

For majority of guys, redpill is a whole new different way of viewing social interactions and girls. They have to hate it, because acknowledging it will tell them that they have been following a flawed life compass and many people cant take that. Hence, hating essential is to protect their own identity.

MattyAnon · 2018-04-13T11:03:29+00:00

I just don't get it

The world is made up of 50% women lying to the world about their AF/BB strategy and 45% of men who believe the female lies.

That leaves 5% clued up men who are ok with TRP.

All the media reports about us are based around preconceptions revolving around misunderstanding and damning men, ie the usual narrative.

Wolfwoodd · 2018-04-13T11:37:25+00:00

You must not remember the original TRP subreddit. A good 10% of posters were deep in the anger phase and had some pretty extreme views / advice. It was a big turnoff to any casuals popping in from elsewhere.

electricitygives · 2018-04-13T11:56:53+00:00

Because it questions their current reality, and anything that doesn't suit that frame of reference is to be ignored and shunned.

Everybody wants to believe in the dream.

Also: Confirmation bias. Even if they're confronted with evidence and facts that contradicts what they think, it will only make their current beliefs stronger because people don't like admitting that they were wrong. It's tied to self identity and pride.

bob13bob · 2018-04-13T18:06:45+00:00

that's jsut not true. there are plenty of sexist people in here.

There are also people like me who think SJW have gone too far and is anti-science. There is a unpolite side to human sexuality thats fascinating with more data coming out every day. I self-classify as feminist like Jordan Peterson, equality of opportunity not outcome. Fix and encourage the man, don't coddle him, the rest of pieces will fall in to place.

In many ways, RP is just breaking through propaganda of our parents generation of settling down, married, having kids that was pushed by the government and religion. Think of it in economic terms, society wants family units so they dont' ahve get cucked in money for kids running around. A family man is easier to control, he has more to lose, less likely to make riskier decisions like take what he learned from under you and opening a competing business.

Our parents also have a bias in wanting ot see grandkids; offspring they themselves don't have to pay for or be the primary caregivers of. Evolutionary biology supports this, having other people pay the resources to spread your genes around.

Drakonlord · 2018-04-14T14:56:27+00:00

I hate it because its a bunch of 19 year olds talking about how great they are with literally 0 proof.