A pro-equality, leftist here.

vSkyy12 · 2019-06-04T19:34:36+00:00

The issue is, the screaming radical feminists have tarnished the name of feminism so much, that everyone associates todays feminism with those people who scream and cry about every little thing.

What feminism was, is no longer what it is today in the eyes of a lot of people, hence why I think people who believe in what feminism was need to separate them selves from the screaming crybabies.

Virtual-Knight · 2019-06-04T21:57:22+00:00

I could never see how people could see feminism as left wing since feminism is a hate cult. My mother hated me because she's a feminist. Any excuse to beat the shit out of me, she snapped it up like a shot. I'm not a misogynist just because I'm a victim of misandry, am I? I owe my life to a girl who showed me true kindness in the beginning.

ChucklesTheWerewolf · 2019-06-04T21:38:01+00:00

I’m pretty centrist, but right leaning. I don’t have a problem with reasonable people of either side. It’s the fanatics like SJWs and Feminazis, Antifa, on the left, and hardcore racists & homophobes on the right that boil my blood. The moment you stop respecting those whose opinions simply differ from your own? You lose all respect from me, no matter your outlook.

correcting_dyslexics · 2019-06-05T02:16:12+00:00

I used to think like this, that the 3rd/4th wave are the crazy parts of feminism, but that earlier feminism was actually a great movement for equality. But then I realized that literally all of it has been terrible. Actually you could argue that the 1st wave was the worst one since it's the one that started it all.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2019-06-05T12:28:13+00:00

I'm pretty far to the left and very much against feminism.

I believe the crazed SJW/feminists glomming on to movements that want better worker protections, environmental laws, safety nets, etc are kinda like the "gay marriage and abortion causes hurricanes" evangelicals glomming on to genuinely small government balanced budget type conservatism.

They have absolutely nothing to do with the original movement but their votes and energy can be helpful.

Personally though I think the left is shooting itself in the foot by allowing the misandrist crazies a platform. They aren't winning over more people than they lose with that.

ILOVHENTAI · 2019-06-05T04:30:41+00:00

I would still like to call second wave feminism bullshit

the-southern-snek · 2019-06-05T07:27:35+00:00

Still socialism doesn’t work it’s been tried and failed

kekeface12345 · 2019-06-05T08:07:46+00:00

There are no leftists in America. Starbucks chugging, illiterate crybabies that drown in their first world problems and vote for vaginas and darker skin tones isn't leftism. It's American.

markrod420 · 2019-06-05T06:30:15+00:00

Its not what YOU stand for. It absolutely will be what leftyism stands for entirely very shortly. The reason for this is that left wing ideologies are based in the denial of reality in favor of a more emotionally satisfying fake reality. It is not grounded in rational assessment of the facts and so it is subject to even more significant slippery slope effects than most things. Sure it starts with "let women vote and pay them equally". Both of those original feminist concepts still deny reality. Women think more emotionally and they vote more in-line with the african american population than white males, who vote in line with the principles that founded this nation and made it so prosperous. So women voting is generally harmful. And the idea that women deserve equal pay is laughable in any physical field and nearly as laughable in any STEM field. And thats before we even go into the increased healthcare and maternity costs that reduce their value as a worker.

Its not just modern liberalism that is founded on denial of reality in favor of feeling good. Its nearly all liberalism. The reason the left is happy to slide further into delusions and degeneracy is that their belief structure never centered around objective assessment of the facts anyway.

ShitPost445 · 2019-06-07T18:00:26+00:00

Same, I hate how some people say that you have to be one extreme or another

DevilishRogue · 2019-06-05T09:16:38+00:00

Radical feminism/ 4th wave feminism is NOT true leftism.

Yes it is.

True leftism fights for actual equality

No it doesn't (although there are plenty of leftists like you that intend to, Hell even the radical feminists frequently intend to).

I want right wing people on the anti feminist side to understand that this radical, 4th wave feminism, fact-denying bullshit isn’t what leftism and socialism stands for

I am sorry to be the one to have to break it to you, but that is exactly what it stands for. You can believe otherwise all you want but the facts are the facts and the theory and the practice of leftism are so far apart that the crazy radical stuff is what leftism is.

JayTheFordMan · 2019-06-05T00:15:43+00:00

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sebasflo · 2019-06-05T01:13:04+00:00

What you describe is being liberal not the current feminism which has been taken over by sjw but I get what you mean

User-31f64a4e · 2019-06-13T01:00:11+00:00

True leftism fights for actual equality, which is what 1st wave and 2nd wave feminism, but not this misandrist, stupid SJW bullshit today.

Wrong. Feminism was NEVER about equality.

Feminism came in 3 waves:

First wave (suffragettes) wanted male privileges (the vote) without male responsibility (fire brigades, military conscription, etc.)
Second wave (women's lib) was about eliminating women's responsibilities - birth control, abortion, affirmative action to remove the need to compete, etc.
Third wave feminism is about imposing more responsibilities on men - he for she, no due process for accused males, etc.

Feminism has never been about fairness or equality, it has always been about women getting the best possible deal at the lowest possible cost

You are not "on our side", dude. You are spewing nonsense.
Also, people are never equal, only children and idiots think so. They may be entitled to equal treatment in some limited regards (anyone can request either a jury- or bench- trial when indicted, search warrants are required irregardless of race, etc.) but THAT IS IT. Nobody deserves special treatment because their ethnic group is mostly low-IQ people, nobody deserves special treatment because of what happened to other people you somehow group with them, and quotas are discriminatory and unfair.
Now back to liberal la-la land with you.

ass-my-eat · 2019-06-05T07:15:58+00:00

All feminism is cancer. Women have proven that they can NOT be trusted. Sooner or later nature will correct itself to the original and correct societal order which is women serving men.

User-31f64a4e · 2019-06-05T13:01:15+00:00

Socialists are the reason 4th wave feminism is the way it is. It's purpose is contribute to making society more divisive. Progressivism used to be a good thing before marxist's attached themselves to it in an attempt to make oppression more paletable. Progressive ideas like political correctness, multiculturalism etc when introduced were positive for society. Now leftwing governments have allowed PC laws to diminish the people's ability to so little as discuss a subject of someone else's race, or any problems that may exist in a community that is not their own without being branded a racist. Yet we are expected to consider each other of the same nationality. We were all told to tolerate each other but never to actually integrate seeing as adopting aspects of someone else's culture is cultural appropriation and that would be racist. It's the marxist connotation attached to what would otherwise be good progressive ideas that conservatives oppose.