How in the world do redpilled guys even pretend to be interested enough to hold something resembling a prolonged conversation with 90% of women?

Zanford · 2018-08-15T01:11:06+00:00

Some options

Mentally focus on the meta. Enjoy the theory of game itself, and while talking to a chick, be thinking about all the ev psych principles at play rather than the literal banter itself
Steer the convo to shit you actually do want to talk about. Do you have cool travel stories? 100% of chicks love cool travel stories and think that international travel is the automatic stamp of enlightenment and culturedness and such BS
Don't feel the need to fill the air. That's what low status supplicants do, nervously trying to make conversation all the fucking time

leftajar · 2018-08-15T00:54:38+00:00

Just enjoy it.

Talking to women is fun, precisely because nothing is of any consequence. You can do a bunch of incredibly stupid shit, and they giggle and find it funny.

Example, I walked by a golf course, and saw two women about to putt. I called out, "Hey, who's winning?" One goes, with a sour tone, "she is." I said, "oh yeah? Well, BOO HER!!" The other one goes, "Hey! Don't boo me!" I said, "oh yeah? Why not?" And she literally started qualifying herself to me.

Like, that's utterly inane bullshit, and they loved it! They were laughing and having a good time. Men can banter too, but it actually has to be smart, which takes more work.

wont_tell_i_refuse_ · 2018-08-15T03:44:07+00:00

Chad says things that amuse himself. Since Chad is interesting, those things also amuse other people.

It's great if your interests are societally approved, but talking about wacky, oddball shit completely off the cuff is better than being boring. Your energy will be infectious if you talk about things you find funny or interesting, because she doesn't actually care what you say anyway -- only your vibe.

Main exception is if you like anime or some shit. Pussy drier. Save the anime tiddies for Reddit.

I want that power. I can't even fake it.

Could be easier to seek out women with similar interests, or at least interests of some kind. If all they have to talk about is their day at work, it's going to be hard to fulfill your desire for "actual mental investment" with them.

Archammes · 2018-08-15T04:16:22+00:00

I don't. If I want a conversation, I talk to one of the guys I lift with, or a family member. I would suggest doing the same if you want engaging conversation.

If you want to get laid, listen much, say little, believe nothing.

Rian_Stone · 2018-08-15T01:00:10+00:00

Then screen and find a girl in the 10% who you do get along with. Contrary to popular belief here, you don't need to fuck a million chicks to be "alpha." I suffer this too to a large degree and off-set it by spinning fewer girls but spinning the ones I spin for longer because we vibe better.

Also, part of what you describe is getting to know each other--you don't know what you have in common yet, so it's hard to have a deep conversation. My former LTR and I had an incredibly normal first few conversations, limited to the typical "oh, you're in my discussion I think" and then me saying "who are you?" That was it. A few months later after sex we talked about my theory of how time isn't linear but is rather circular (not getting into it here--it's kind of a bs pseudo-science theory, but I created it and it's interesting to think about.) Was a super deep talk, though. And we had a lot of conversations about things that, while they may not necessarily interest you, were very interesting to me. And on date one, we didn't do any of that shit.

You have to sift through to find who you will and will not click with. Think about it: did you and your best male friend have an amazing first conversation, or did you get to know him and bond over time?

mrpoopistan · 2018-08-15T01:20:06+00:00

I worked jobs in both newswriting and cold-call sales. I've gotten incredibly good at getting people to talk.

Most people aren't as vapid as they seem, but you have to put them in a situation where they don't feel vulnerable. My advice is to work on getting people to open up about themselves.

furcryingoutloud · 2018-08-15T08:05:52+00:00

I usually can talk to women for the longest time. But i really get off in some weird way trying to read their thought process. Usually garbled and totally lacking logic, but for me, that's part of the fun. Consistently identifying and confirming the reality that they have a very difficult time with logic.

There's this meme going around that says "I know how women think now. And they think like this: If I have 4 apples, and take away 6 oranges, how big is the sun?"

And my friend, never has it been better said. I for some reason happen to enjoy attempting to decipher their thought process. Some are really smart, really smart, then they go and fuck it all up high on some emotion they can't even describe. To me, just loads of interesting.

EDIT: I really need to add this edit; The trouble begins when you start to take their words seriously. In general, very few women I have ever met will say what they mean, mean what they say. Take everything they say with a grain of salt. Mostly, they are trying to impress you with words.

momomotorboat · 2018-08-15T07:15:11+00:00

I feel you. I have the same issue. Conversing with women is something I have less and less patience for. Maybe cus I'm always on the go and on my grind, so I see my time as a limited asset. The answer is, idk nigga.

mcr00sterdota · 2018-08-15T09:49:54+00:00

Find more interesting girls then.

qwerty_slut · 2018-08-15T05:40:55+00:00

Some girls are actually really fun and interesting to talk to. I talked to a girl about conspiracy theories lol, dance, programming, etc and she did her end of holding up the conversation. And she was a 10 for looks imo. Some girls are just more interesting.

mr_kuk · 2018-08-15T08:11:38+00:00

The society in which we live in can give the impression of having been built with an entirely different species. We have the vast expanses of the internet with the potential to be filled with... ass. This is us, humans.

It's not only women, it's all of us.

I don't think it is a conscious effort on their part to be asinine, when your mind is not aware and geared towards survival as opposed to higher ideals (that you critically dissect and consciously decide to focus on). We have all our creature comforts met and no predators lurk the streets. What is there to worry about?

This lack of essence in life translates into lack of essence in our personalities.

You can find a few gems here and there; but for the majority, they are impulse driven pleasure seeking machines. That is all fine, but my issue is: if you are an impulse driven pleasure seeking machine, how can you justify 8 hours of daily drudgery for basically the rest of your life and still be all about impulsive pleasure satisfaction?

RedKepler · 2018-08-15T14:33:53+00:00

A great thing about your freedoms as a man is that you can be as selective as you like.

Take it like this, the woman might be drop dead gorgeous but her voice might sound like a bilingual 22 chromosome goat getting fucked with the blender end of a nutri-ninja.

The same goes for if you'd rather watch ^ that happen on repeat than keep talking to the boring girl in front of you.

What you do is get up, say "thank you for your time" and walk off and seek the next piece of talking meat and see if it is any more interesting.

RedpilledChris · 2018-08-15T00:36:50+00:00

Welcome to MGTOW -

I threw the towel after reading The Mystery Method, applying it in the field successfully and getting bored after the 5th hook up.

Sex wasn’t worth the effort/energy and money.

OfficerWade · 2018-08-15T05:07:04+00:00

How do you know what you're doing right now isnt faking it? Couldn't you say you learned this behavior over repeated interactions or lack thereof?

You know if you're attractive man when you talk to the old lady behind the counter, the butterface at work and the pretty girls down the street. You treat them all the same. No exceptions.

More to the point you mentioned about holding a conversation theres a time and place for everything. If your mind is wondering as it often does just be conscious that its happened. Make an observation of it and move on. I find it entertaining to tell women different things because they emote so well and it makes me happy to see them do it. Sometimes they will laugh at my banter, poke fun at it or whatever. You're not meant to walk away with some new talent in every interaction.

woke_wizard · 2018-08-15T07:15:07+00:00

Use conversations with guys to have deep meaningful conversations. Have fun when you talk to girls.

bluechipmonk · 2018-08-15T13:58:50+00:00

Haha I'm saving this post. I was thinking about this shit this morning because I've been talking with a few girls and gosh are they so boring. Wanted to ask the same question. Lots of good answers here already.

Zhigaag · 2018-08-15T23:02:56+00:00

Man. The curvature of a rhino's ass is some enthralling shit....how can you not be interested in that?

;-)

Seriously though, I'm the same way. Just land the fucking plane already, would'ya?

MRPFuckMe1 · 2018-08-15T08:12:26+00:00

I don’t know, maybe stop thinking you’re better than everyone else. Your tone reeks of arrogance and self-aggrandizement. You’re probably not all that fun to be around yourself bucko.

AllForTheGains · 2018-08-15T13:56:51+00:00

When you are desperate for validation and pussy you put up with it. You go on dates, you sit there regretting that you decided to meet up with this girl who you have nothing in common with. You then start pondering how you would be having much more fun if you were in your room doing something else.

I'm mgtow now. Got better shit to do then listen to some bitch say dumb shit.

Rian_Stone · 2018-08-15T13:56:54+00:00

Learn what subtext is. Once you see how it works, those meaningless conversations become very deep ones, and how silly you looked when you were pretending to be above it all.

Remember the thing I post everywhere? Ethos, Pathos, Logos? Chick speak is the pathos. also note, they are in order of importance to people, not just women.

Because you're 'linux developer bod' ain't getting a hotdog joke, just a harrassment charge

jd0589 · 2018-08-15T07:17:14+00:00

Sounds like you’re in your own head a bit too much. Practice humility with a good amount of humbleness. You’ll be surprised with what you gather from simpletons.

donkeydodo · 2018-08-15T06:02:12+00:00

I am exactly the same as you; I CAN’T STAND weather talk, talk about who her friend Daisy got fucked by last week etc, but I can surely stand my ground when it comes to gaming. How I do it is that I just listen to whomever I’m talking to, and from that I answer in line/make a joke out of it. I’ve always been sort of a clown, so that part comes naturally and most girls like that, especially when I jokingly tease them. I think that you overall just have to pay attention to what someone says, and respond to it out of that (kind of obvious in itself) but that’s the secret to make people actually like you. Most people nowadays only listen to give an answer, not to hear what the other one has to say, so you’ll be rather unique doing so. Once you have their attention, you can start talking about things that interest you and see how they respond to that, e.g ’what is the meaning of life’ and if they somewhat have a brain you can get a rather interesting conversation out of most people

A wise person knows that there is something to learn from everyone

send_it_for_the_boys · 2018-08-15T06:41:05+00:00

Their favorite topic is about them, so ask about them. Play with their emotions, ask them how they feel about certain things. Tease them and make them feel like a little girl.

Elitevaz · 2018-08-15T13:26:48+00:00

There are some women you can have a deep conversation with. It's unlikely they will catch your interest sexually as well. There are plenty of dumb men out there too that can't think deeply. It's just people. When you open a woman for conversation, you set the tone for what's going to happen. If you open flirty and playful, you aren't going to be able to go into a scientific discussion. They are just as capable as men of deep thought, but when they WANT to do it can be different. The best general rule of thumb is to treat them like children.

Rosace_89 · 2018-08-15T15:36:26+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8pa446/cynical_implementation/?st=jkvat417&sh=1b0836e8

TheStumblingWolf · 2018-08-15T15:51:24+00:00

My best friend is a girl. She's self reflecting and, when I met her, much more alpha than me. She was crucial in RP journey and has been an active part in me becoming a more red pulled man.

ShotgunTRP · 2018-08-15T19:01:58+00:00

Just treat them like they’re children you’re teasing. Like your little cousins, they’re kind of annoying and it’s up to YOU to make the conversation interesting.

399oly · 2018-08-15T02:49:55+00:00

You have to become interested (or at least somewhat interested) in something they know about.
I was a a concert and I ran into a stripper and a band mate of hers who managed a bar, ended up spending a half hour talking about the regulations in regards to liquor licences and the regulations around exotic dancers. Not riveting stuff but I found it neat. The stripper I had absolutely no interest in sexually since she was heavily tatted and pierced (not my type)

Another example I can think of off hand is this clip from 'Catch Me If You Can' where Frank Abagnale finds out all sorts of information that he ends up using to advance his check fraud scheme from the cute bank teller . Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOm4osfWn8

[deleted] · 2018-08-15T03:43:10+00:00

Talking about incredibly stupid shit to women is funny and interesting to them because it's easy shit for them to understand.

redpilledcuck · 2018-08-15T07:42:37+00:00

I talked to one on a date today that had interesting things to say.

50shadesofsigma · 2018-08-15T11:35:16+00:00

Kino. This will usually step things un the right direction or completely polarise relations for good . either way you will no longer have to suffer a meaningless convo.