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Requirements for OLTR That Apply to YOU

BlackDragon
November 30, 2017

Iâve often discussed the requirements a woman must have for a long-term, serious OLTR relationship, such as low drama, reasonably low jealousy, sex positivity, a long track record of dating you before she ever becomes an OLTR with near-zero problems, and so on.

However, I have not discussed an equally important aspect of OLTR, and that is the requirements you must meet in order to have one. Yes, you as a man have some requirements to meet, or else you should not have an OLTR, and instead just stick with FBâs and/or MLTRâs, which are also fantastic.

Over the years on this blog, I have seen a lot of readers object to or misunderstand OLTR. Once I explain your requirements for an OLTR, it will explain a lot of these objections and misunderstandings.

Hereâs the bottom line for OLTRâs. Ready?

OLTRâs are only for older men with higher levels of game.

OLTRâs are hard. OLTRâs are complicated. Managing an OLTR requires strong game, a solid frame, confidence, outcome independence, and a decent amount of experience with women, and not just pick-up experience, but relationship experience as well. A game beginner is not going to have these things. A young man is very unlikely to have these things (he may have some of them, but not all).

Therefore, an OLTR is only for men who are a little older and who have a decent level of game and relationship skill. Iâve said it before, and today Iâll say it more clearly – no man should even think about having an OLTR until he is at least 30 years old. 35 is even better. As I explained here, I donât consider most modern-day men as full adults until age 34 anyway. (I really hate saying that, but itâs the truth. Western cultural collapse and all that.)

These two requirements, that you are at least a little older and have a stronger level of game and woman experience, answer a lot of objections, questions, and misunderstandings Iâve seen some of you raise regarding OLTRâs. Hereâs just a few examples from the last few years:

1. How the hell is a younger couple supposed to do the things you suggest??? Like have a separate residence or whatever???

A younger man shouldnât be part of a couple. A younger man should not get married. A younger man should not have children. In my strong opinion, a younger man shouldnât even have a girlfriend, monogamous or not. An OLTR is a girlfriend, thus a younger man should not have one.

Men under 30 should instead spend their time getting laid, having fun, playing round with FBâs and MLTRâs, and focusing on building their businesses. A girlfriend, even an open one like an OLTR, destroys all of that, nor will a younger man have the ability to successfully manage such a relationship.

I always cringe whenever I see a guy in his twenties on a blog or message board announce that he has an OLTR or worse, a monogamous girlfriend. I know itâs going to blow up in his face. You donât want things blowing up in your face when youâre in your twenties. Use that time to be free, have fun, get laid, and get shit done, not have a girlfriend, and certainly not have a wife.

Have a wife in your fucking twenties? Having kids in your fucking twenties? Are you fucking kidding me? I made that mistake when I was a young, stupid, inexperienced, naïve beta male with no real internet and no resources to learn about these things. Learn from my mistake so you donât make the same one. Donât have a girlfriend when youâre under 30, OLTR or not. Wait until youâre ideally 35. I never had anything that even looked like an OLTR until I was in my late thirties, by choice.

2. Itâs going to be harder to get new FBâs when you have an OLTR because you already have a girlfriend and theyâll know it!!!

Yes, the difficulty bar is raised in this area. Thatâs exactly why you should not have an OLTR until you have very strong game. If you have strong game, this wonât be a big problem. If you have weak or intermediate game, this could be a serious problem, thus you would not have an OLTR until such time as your game gets stronger and you can bring in new FBâs as needed despite the increased difficulty of doing so.

3. Itâs going to be harder to keep FBâs around longer because theyâll know you have a girlfriend!!!

The easiest solution to this (besides just paying for it, which is certainly an option for older guys) is to try to stick with FBâs who already have boyfriends themselves. I think you should do this anyway, since âtakenâ FBâs are always the best FBâs to have, regardless of if you have an OLTR or not.

But if you canât / wonât do this, yeah, some FBâs wonât last as long when they know youâre already taken. That means you should not get into an OLTR until youâve built up a strong number of FBâs on your roster. Most of these women wonât care that you have a girlfriend/wife now. But if you arenât experienced enough where you havenât built up such a roster, youâre probably not experienced enough to have an OLTR yet, and should hold off until you do.

And again, acquiring new FBâs wonât be nearly as big of a problem if you are very game experienced, so this shouldnât be a concern.

4. I might have to pay for sex with side-FBâs if I have an OLTR!!!

Yes, you might have to (or chose to) pay hookers or sugar babies as some (or all!) of your FBâs in your OLTR, depending on your situation. You donât have to, but itâs a perfectly viable option for some men. If youâre an older guy, this shouldnât be a problem because your income should be at a point where you can easily afford such a thing. If youâre a young dude, you probably canât afford anything like this, which means this option wonât be available to you, which means your options for side-FBâs are limited. Yet another reason why younger men shouldnât even mess around with OLTRâs at all.

5. You canât soft next her once you move in with her as an OLTR!!! How the hell is that supposed to work???

Correct, as Iâve said many times, you instantly destroy your option to soft next a woman the instant you move in with her. It is the greatest disadvantage to living with a woman.

This means youâre going to have to delve into your relationship toolkit and use other options for conflict management. If youâre a young or inexperienced guy, youâll have no such toolkit to draw upon. If youâre an older guy, youâll have all kinds of ideas to work with, and a wealth of relationship experience from which will help you out in your more complicated relationship.

I have a lot more to say about relationship management within a live-in relationship a little later, but the point is that a young guy or inexperienced guy has no business whatsoever living with a woman, regardless of monogamous or not. Thatâs just asking for trouble.

(And as usual, if you like drama or “don’t mind drama,” then feel free to ignore everything I’m saying and do whatever you want. If you don’t mind regular drama in your life, you’re probably reading the wrong blog anyway.)

I could go on, but you get the point. The next time you have questions or objections about having an OLTR (a live-in OLTR or standard OLTR), remember that OLTRâs are only for older men who have stronger levels of game, and then see if your question answers itself. It likely will.

One last thingâ¦

A lot of you seem to think that OLTR is somehow âbetterâ than MLTR. That youâre not at the highest level of Alphaness or badassery if you donât have an OLTR and have MLTRâs instead. That is incorrect.

OLTRâs are not better than MLTRâs. OLTRâs are simply for men who wish to pair-bond. If you donât want to pair-bond, or if you only want monogamy in a serious relationship, then you shouldnât get an OLTR, shouldnât think about getting an OLTR, should ignore everything I say about OLTRâs, and for fuckâs sake, shouldnât leave comments bashing or disputing OLTRâs. If you donât want an OLTR, thatâs great, donât have one. Stick with MLTRâs instead, which are just as good as OLTRâs, if not better in terms of masculine freedom.

MLTRâs are just as good and just as âAlphaâ as OLTRâs, if not more so. There is nothing âbadâ about having MLTRâs for the rest of your life. MLTRâs are awesome. OLTR is simply an option for those men who wish to pair-bond. Thatâs it. Theyâre not âbetterâ than MLTRâs.

Also, monogamy doesn’t work, as I’ve proven perhaps thousands of times in my writings. Long-term monogamy doesn’t work at all, and I’ve already pointed out the numerous problems with serial monogamy both here and here. But if you still want to somehow enforce absolute sexual monogamy in a serious relationship (good luck with that) because your ego just can’t take the possibility that your partner might have sex with another guy at some point, then great, don’t have an OLTR. That’s fine. You don’t value long-term happiness as much as I do, but that’s still your choice and it’s your life. Since you’re clearly never going to have an OLTR, don’t muddy the conversation with objections about something you’re never going to do anyway.

So please, if you’re pro-monogamy or anti-pair-bonding, that’s wonderful, but for the love of god, if you canât imagine you ever having an OLTR, please avoid bitching about OLTRâs, commenting about OLTRâs, asking stupid questions about OLTRâs that are actually objections in disguise, or talking about how terrible OLTR‘s sound to you. When I talk about OLTRâs, Iâm only talking to men who might actually want OLTRâs, not you. You should instead focus on the other relationship management topics I discuss, which apply to FBâs and MLTRâs, which are also awesome. A lot of conversations in the comments on this blog are blown to hell by guys bitching about OLTR‘s who will clearly never have an OLTR no matter what data they learn about it. That’s that’s technically allowed here since I’m for free speech as long as the five rules are followed, but it’s really not fair to the guys who are interested in OLTR.

I hope that sounds reasonable. Cool? Cool.

So there you have it. OLTRâs are only for men who want them, and only men who are older and have a stronger level of game. I hope that clears a few things up.

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Title Requirements for OLTR That Apply to YOU
Author BlackDragon
Date November 30, 2017 1:00 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Blog Caleb Jones
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/blog/Caleb-Jones/requirements-for-oltr-that-apply-to-you.22960
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