Used to think TRP was a weird internet culture; Standing in a room Sat. night, finally dawned on me how pathetic most men act today.

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September 7, 2015

For the first time in my adult life, i stood there and people watched for a good few hours, no phone, no conversation....just observing because all of the sudden i started noticing how pathetic most men are today.

Listening to their conversations complaining about their wives who control every aspect of their lives, younger guys in their mid 20's doing everything and anything they can to just get some pussy.

and when a girl walked into the room just watching these kids compete with each other on who is the most liberal or progressive in the room.

I don't want to live that life.

I realize that we are all just animals operating on the same input-> output algorithms ....but i don't want to become the modern day man, i can't see myself happy living what they call life.

I don't want to live in a society where women can do no wrong in the eyes of the law....they're people too...why the fuck aren't they responsible for their own actions?

I hate that society has become a place where anything negative said about feminism, lgbt bullshit or anything negative is tagged as bullying and can get you fired or sued

i sound like an old man, but i am only 27 years old, I saw the bullshit attitudes cropping u around the time i was in college and it always pissed me off.....

am i alone with these thoughts or is this along the red pill thought processes?

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Title Used to think TRP was a weird internet culture; Standing in a room Sat. night, finally dawned on me how pathetic most men act today.
Author quick_q_throwaway
Upvotes 69
Comments 56
Date 07 September 2015 03:36 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]topredhat22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

At one point you'll stop caring about other people's live and how society says were all the same but treats men and woman different. Ye, you'll still notice the bullshit but your mindset will change from "look at this hypocrisy" to "o, that happened".

[–]tuxedoburrito4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It becomes likes a distant memory.

I'm currently mentoring a 19 year old friend in the ways of TRP. I have actually said any of the terms we say here, and I haven't mentioned TRP but he's read some of the reading here. He's learning, and I see him act in such ways that reminds me of the stupid beta tactics I used to do. It's weird being able to help someone grow in ways that this sub helped me grow.

[–]marty2k1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

More like "Of course that happened." At this point I can call out what's happening a few moves in advance.

[–]laere-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just laugh at it now.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah it's amazing. I kind of had a similar experience last year. This was before I learned about TRP and stuff though.

It was New Year's Eve and I was with a bunch of fellow nerds. There was 1 girl who wasn't taken. For some reason she touched me before I even said anything. That got me thinking that if I knew how to go about it I might've had a chance. I was contemplating how to go about it, but almost every other guy kept swarming her. They basically sat in a circle around her. "Fuck this shit" I thought. I don't wanna be like them. They kept pestering her about WoW stuff and what not - "if you ever need a healer character, I have several. Just say the word". I could practically put a fork and knife to the neediness and take a chunk of it out.

I just stopped doing anything to get the girl. I knew what they were doing was "wrong"/not working. I just didn't know what the hell else to do.

For other reasons I learned about TRP and all that and that helped me analyze that evening.

I like to view betas as golden retrievers - "ooh I love you please give me attention". That's how I saw the other guys at the party.

I view Alpha 1.0 guys as lions. They take what they want and have females service them and their needs. No fucks given.

I see Alpha 2.0 guys as bears. They have the capacity to achieve their goals, but they can be nice too if they want.

I also didn't really think TV/movies were as bad as they are. Betas everywhere getting women, when my own experience tells me that's not how it works. I believed it for 29 years though.

All I have to say is: fuck that shit. Now I go my own way for my reasons.

[–]TheMGhandi2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alpha 3.0 guys are wolves. They eat the sheep whilst hunting in a pack.

Alpha 4.0 guys are dragons. Burning everything on sight that they don't like. Talk about burned bridges...

[–]TRPblues10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy

I used to be able to easily play the pro-feminism card and put girls in my pocket for the sake of plating them. After everything I have read on the read pill, I am having trouble changing my views that most women are parasites of manipulation. I am 24.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

Also mid 20s, I have never and will never speak a word that supports feminism, even for pussy. I think arguing with a feminist got me laid on two occassions.

In fact a girl that is friends of friends will not speak to me after I dropped the "childless women under 30 make more than men" bomb (it's the only thing the media admits to about the wage gap myth). You read that right, I didn't even say the whole wage gap is bs, just for that one subset of women. The hamster started running "well I make less than the guy I work with blah blah." She of course took my study-backed facts as personal attacks; nothing of value was lost.

[–]tuxedoburrito1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Childless women under 30 make more than men? Or earn more?

Please cite your source bc I want to read up on that

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

A quick Google reveals many sources but here's one:,8599,2015274,00.html

Tl;dr - They earn a higher salary, the gap appears at the ages when children are had.

[–]dabrah11 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

just google it. The "wage gap" doesn't come into effect until women start having children and decide to put their career on the shelf for years.

[–]tuxedoburrito2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Which means women don't make less, they earn less. If they worked the same jobs and the same hours they'd make the same amount.

[–]beginner_4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Or more. And in certain industries (tech) a woman will compete vs 100 betas and will get the job because vagina. Regardless if she sucks. So if you are female, you should go in STEM, work hard for like 4 years and then enjoy an easy ride for the rest of your working life making 100k+ because vagina.

[–]tuxedoburrito1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My old roommate was actually going to school to be an engineer and said a lot of people would constantly harass her. She's a tough cookie, and very rarely takes the victim in things. Lots of TRP qualities or else I wouldn't have lived with her and her husband.

She told me about a class they had with an girl who was getting her second degree in engineering who also had a doctorate. And people would think she was dumb because she was a girl and not work with her, calling her "Dr. Stupid."

But STEM guys can be total nerds / losers sometimes.

Food for thought that goes kinda against the TRP mindset, but it's just an interesting antecdote. I don't think everything is as black and white as we make it out to be.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ive been browsing my newsfeed on fb. And women do w.e they want without question. They are worshipped. They complain about w.e. and everyone comments and likes their photo or message. They talk a half naked picture, and men are flooding her with emojis and likes. I see the same women constantly posting subliminal messages of the men they date on a regular, whether he sucked in bed....had no money,still wouldnt leave his baby mother etc....

[–]spooky-clinic9 points10 points  (25 children) | Copy

I can't even watch movies anymore or read literature. I used to read tons of Haruki Murakami until I recently tried to re-read on of my fav books and it was like BP to the bones.

I'm not even sure what to do with my leisure time. Yes, I do sports but when I want to do something passive like watching TV, playing games or reading books. It's like I'm part of some brainwashing propaganda.

[–]vengefully_yours7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Build shit. Anything from Legos to cars to houses. Build something.

That's what I do. I work in wood, metal, concrete, ceramic, plastic and foam. I'm building my home and a shop to do the car thing. It's all I've done this summer. It's been one of the best years of my life. Build something, even if it's plastic models.

[–]systemshock8693 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rick and Morty is almost blatantly RP. This season especially.

[–]hatertauts5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's a shit ton of RP lit out there. And if you don't want to deal with that, philosophy and math are still subjects which (due to the demanding nature of both and the objectivity of the latter) tend to suit RP men well and can be done recreationally.

[–]tautologicoxymoron5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really recommend Charles Bukowski's books.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Top Gear. The Patriot. Desert Fox. Old war movies. John Wayne. There were movies before political correctness, but most are pretty old. Total War computer games. Kerbal Space Program. Manly, inspiring things. Legos are good too. Woodworking. Sculpting. Gardening. Cooking ribs (grilling, if possible). Camping. Edit: Reading, check out... 48 Laws of Power. King of Kings, by Harry Sidebottom, part of an entire series. C.S. Lewis. The Prince. Philosophy.

[–]BuddhistNudist9870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I tried reading 1Q84 by Murakami recently, but I couldn't get past the first 50 pages. The author goes on for page after page about the make and model of several different cars and what kind of clothes the book editor wears in such detail but the characters almost never talk to each other. At no point did I care about any of these characters. What do these people want? Why does it matter that the cab driver and the passenger both recognize a piece of music written by Dvorak? Why is the main character spending so much time agonizing about what a minor inconvenience her first name is for ten pages, but then she never talks to anyone about it? Most people learn things about each other by talking and listening. Everyone in this book just seems to know about each other by sitting near one another.

I don't know if that had anything to do with TRP, I just kept hearing about how great Murakami's books were and I was really underwhelmed when I finally made time to read one.

[–]tuxedoburrito-2 points-1 points  (17 children) | Copy

Watch Archer. It's actually a pretty fun show and there is some beta fits in it, but I really like it.

Otherwise, I typically stick to movies if I watch anything. Last Samurai, 300, Patriot, Gladiator, etc.

Edit: also metal core and hardcore have a ton of TRP lyrics. Even a lot of rap. Childish Gambino. eminen. Hopsin. Some atmosphere.

Hardcore Bands are filled with TRP truth: have heart, comeback kid, ghost inside, ceremony, bane, powertrip

[–]That-1-White-Guy0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Bruh hopsin is BP as fuck. He literally has a song called nice guys finish last where he bitches that girls don't like nice guys

[–]tuxedoburrito-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

Pardon me then. I've only heard his ill mind of hopsin 7 where he rejects his former faith. He seemed to be alpha as fuck in that.

[–]That-1-White-Guy-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Yeah but listen to Ill mind 5 or 4 if you get a chance, but I like 7. Other than that he is kinda beta but his voice does sound authoritative I see how you could get that vibe

[–]tuxedoburrito0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I've also heard that Atmosphere or Childish Gambino sound beta sometimes. And I think they do at times, but a lot of the times they sound like you said, authoritative and demonstrative. I think that's the human condition, sometimes we let out a weaker side. Hard to have the alpha mindset 100% of the time.

[–]Chinny4daWinny1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Childish, I love him. He had his whole beta phase with culdesac and camp, but there were some rp truths in it. He's albums because the internet where he "toughens up" but it isn't until stone mountain where I feel he truly changes.

Im not gonna call his stuff alpha or beta, but he speaks on the stuff he personally , and a lot of people (as well as I) go through when you're seeing the world through rp lenses. You wish it wasn't like that and you could go back to your bp fantasy, but that doesn't work. You wanna find love, but people love you for your money, etc.

I personally think he's great and reminds me that there's a balance between the two

[–]1reallycoolopotamus-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy

because the internet is rapped from a character he created for a movie's perspective and stone mountain is the character dreaming. you missed 100% of what he was creatively going for. it's kind of sickening to claim that you love him when you have no idea what you're talking about. sorry fam bruh but i think you're a dumbass...

[–]Chinny4daWinny-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

because the internet is rapped from a character he created for a movie's perspective

Yeah, the kid.

stone mountain is the character dreaming.

Hmm, I see the connection now. Thanks for dropping mad knowledge on something I knew.

[–]1reallycoolopotamus-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

He had his whole beta phase with culdesac and camp, but there were some rp truths in it. He's albums because the internet where he "toughens up" but it isn't until stone mountain where I feel he truly changes.

that is not indicative of what you just replied to me with. fuck outta here dude.

[–]ionforge0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Listen reggaeton if you want true RP :p

[–]tuxedoburrito0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Is it reggae?

[–]Merwebb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is a mix of the worst of rap culture for latino people. Lyrics are crap, as a culture is toxic

rithm is good to grind though, and when i say grind i say GRIND

[–]Gawernator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol no. It's like ghetto Mexican rap good for nothing but getting Latina whores to grind on you

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Search up "Album Bitch" by tweedy bird loc. You won't be disappointed.

[–]iluminatiNYC3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think what you are talking about is a function of information. Guys have chased pussy since the days of Cain and Abel. Dudes have had shitty marriages for almost as long. I think the difference now is that we know how bad things can truly be, instead of suffering in silence.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mid-twenty something here too...

Socially it kills, because I just assume that most men around me are orbiters of some kind. I don't want to socialize with them, because I don't trust them and find the behavior repulsive.

It's too bad that there isn't something of a local meetup group for TRP in the works. Shout out to the North Carolina redditors!

[–]vengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those guys could be your competition, but they're not even in the game. I'm your competition, but live nowhere near you. I'm 19 years older than you and they can't compete with my gray haired old ass.

Don't be like them and life is fucking awesome.

[–]RocketManV2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was at a big camp out over the weekend, and over the fire we had all sorts of jokes going around. Dick jokes, ass jokes, mother jokes, even rape jokes were getting hearty laughs. I throw out a joke making fun of women stereotypes, and all of a sudden a line was crossed. It was insane.

[–]ProspectiveQuant3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

What LGBT bullshit?... Say what you want about the feminists, but the LGBT people that aren't feminist are just trying to fight against being legitimately victimized for the most part.

[–]RedCML1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can't look at how people interact and fully understand it unless you look at both the layers of "human reasoning" and "hormonal instinctiveness". As advanced as we are, we are still largely just animals that respond instinctively based on which hormones are produced by our endocrine systems.

I've noticed during introspection that a lot of my actions and thought processes which I think are "reasoning" are just my brain's way of rationalizing feelings and impulses driven by a hormone release.

Women have it way worse than we do.

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[–]peacewhale0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Throw away your TV

[–]topredhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Off topic: I don't get how you can still watch TV with all the advertisements going on for like 5 minutes.

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[–]648262-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Increased aggression and potentially suicide for the ones who can't cope.

Well adjusted men who inspire others by a few.

A mess in between.

[–]1throwaway-aa20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Welcome friend. Stay and lurk a bit.

[–]Alegretron0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its hard being a rational male in todays' tumblerina fake outrage culture, but be STRONG-and keep to your masculine principles of logic and reason. There are GREAT women out there who know how treat a man right snd behave themselves. You just aren't going to find them at liberal arts sausage fest. This is going to sound crazy and I thought it was at first, but get into Country music... Go find a honkey tonk and see some live shows and you will find some amazing red pill women. I'm not talking about Taylor Swift bubblegum country, but the real shit Texas red dirt type of country.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We are all artists in the sense that we are creating our own lives, whether we know it or not. What we do in the present moment and how happy we are doing it is shaping the next minute, hour, day, week, month, year, decade, etc. All "those guys" you are observing that you don't want to be like, that's okay. On some level, all of "those guys" have accepted what they are doing in different areas of life, and most are okay with that. Some are not aware of what they have chosen and will go on to start seeing things from a different perspective. This is many guys here on TRP. The ones who are seeing life in a different way, and getting to paint a different picture if they choose.

At this stage, or at least in this situation, you were in full observe-and-think mode. You get to see what kind of body language suits who you want to be, and listen to what kind of "chit-chat" or subject matter you want to bring to the table. You get to see who you don't want to be like, and maybe by chance get a glimpse of a guy you do want to be like. Now take heed, because you can't be them exactly. But you can craft yourself into that kind of frame with the unique canvas that you are now looking at. I am right there with you, my friend.

Happy creating.

[–]SexistFlyingPig-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stage 4 is depression.
Stage 5 is acceptance.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Become the RP man. A.k.a the regular man pre-1950s.

[–]savedarticles-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is just a tip of the iceberg. The matrix is everywhere and proliferates everything. There isn't anything in life that isn't tainted by our human nature which is self seeking and status obsessed. The rabbit hole is deep- way way deeper than you think. Read 'spent' by geoffrey miller. That's a good kick in the ass to see how absurd modern life is (past life was absurd too, no doubt).

I don't think there is an easy way out. I believe that the best you can get is buy your freedom from the rat race and then lead life on your own terms. Getting rich enough to retire early enough to enjoy life is hard and probably unlikely. However, I think if you can combine it with frugalness/simple living (not hard if you reject consumerism), you can retire on very little. Consider moving to a foreign country where you can live very cheaply. That can be a great shortcut.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Recently turned twenty and I'm on the same boat.

There's a certain disconnect from me VS other people and society now. I just don't relate to them. And for a while I've struggled with this not being able to form a deep relationship with anyone.

Recently I decided you know what, the world is the way it is. I'll just do whatever is fun and best for me. It's selfish, but ironically also selfless -- because now people see you as a fun optimistic guy and want to join you. They want to be welcomed into YOUR world.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Am I all alone in these thoughts, people piss me off, I don't want to live on this planet"... dude who talks like that? You've got to cut that shit out, that tone is only for special snowflake tumblerinas, never a man.

It's like poison. Something that seeped off of them and found its way into your brain. Want the world to be a better place, great, why not start right here and give yourself an adjustment. Snap your dislocated cock back into place, put on a smirk that doubles as a snarl, take the world by the horns and facefuck it.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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