Understanding the Friend Zone Scam and the Role Marriage Plays in it (Part 1)

bama79rolltide · 2014-02-20T20:02:54+00:00

Ever notice its always women telling a man what a "real man" is supposed to do or behave like?

A "real woman" is loyal, keeps her home clean, loves and is the caretaker of the home, and raises children.

"Real women" died after World War II

Xein · 2014-02-20T19:21:29+00:00

I want to go a step beyond this. Why do so many men believe this to be a good strategy? Why do so many girls have beta orbiters who can't wait to give up their emotional attention.

I know, I know... Most of you would say because of cultural conditioning. Because of society, right? But is that the whole of it?

Much of what is theorized around here is based on biology and evolutionary psychology. So my problem is this: we agree that sexual preferences are pretty hard-wired. For example, no amount of rationalizing can make us be attracted to fat or older women. But our behavior is controlled more by culture/socialization?

Some of you were graced with being naturally being alpha. Though for many of us (myself included) our default mode seemed to be set to beta. Why did I have to spend years thinking about social dynamics, reading RP/PUA material, and purging bad behaviors?

I understand the social/cultural dynamics of it. Many BPers had no male role models, were raised by women, taught gender equality, etc. But goddamn it there has to be more. Or maybe less?

JP_Whoregan · 2014-02-20T21:17:04+00:00

is exploitative of the mans nature and completely immoral on the behalf of the woman

But doesn't this contradict the idea that sexual desire is "amoral"? See, we are damning women here for exploiting men through friend-zoning, but are failing to understand that, but for the consent of the American male, there wouldn't be such a thing as the friend-zone. Women are seeking the emotional validation that they crave at as little expense as they can, just as we seek plates to spin at as little expense as we can.

There is no morality involved here. When I walk on the car lot, I'm going to bargain the best deal that the salesman will let me screw out of him. I'm going to use all of my cunning, negotiating skills, and resources to make it happen. Women do the same thing in regards to friend-zoning, and men do the same thing in regards to spinning plates. So I'm not going to morally judge these women for their behavior. Men need to learn to just become the better exploiter.

RP_Magnus · 2014-02-20T20:10:47+00:00

"you're giving me everything I need already so I don't need to fuck you to get what I want out of you."

Whores, cultural programming has created whores out of so many good women. In a woman's mind, arousal and sex is not allowed to be as simplistic as it is. Tacked on to the front is a set of pre-conditions gleaned from culture, think Disney movies. Women are taught to use sex to get things like: emotional validation, time, resources, or favors. Thus when men enter LTR and Marriage they have given everything they can and have nothing in addition exchange for sex besides going to increasingly humiliating lengths to do favors or give up their dignity and autonomy.

You need to hold frame and destroy that cultural programming if possible. Turn your woman into a slut that doesn't need anything besides mutual pleasure as a reason to enjoy sex. You might have to run soviet era style propaganda attack, if your eloquent enough.

Remember a whore is a woman who uses sex as a economic service. What we call sluts are usually just cheap whores. A true slut is a woman who has accepted herself as a sexual being and doesn't use it to manipulate or gain. This a more a sexual purist idea. In medieval Europe sexually free women were burned alive as witches, they were "riding their broomsticks." they were a threat to the culturally constructed paradigm of marriage and monogamy.

TL:DR cultural programming makes women think the man needs to fulfill a set of preconditions in exchange for sex. Most women are whores.

Scottsdale48 · 2014-02-21T03:31:50+00:00

Thank you for posting this.

SwordfshII · 2014-02-21T03:08:16+00:00

Jmo but I'm never "friends" with exs. Sex stops, I'm out. And yeah you have almost no chance of climbing out of the friend zone

Title	Understanding the Friend Zone Scam and the Role Marriage Plays in it (Part 1)
Author	IllimitableMan
Upvotes	114
Comments	65
Date	February 20, 2014 6:11 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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