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Is love possible? Do non-used up girls exist?

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October 29, 2018

Hi everyone

I'm new to TRP. I've been reading the intro theory, and I'm not done reading but I wanted to ask few questions.

With how the world is, is the feeling of true love real or even possible ? Or is it just false expectations that have been fed to us?

Second question is, are all women riding the cock carousel? Is it just something u accept that every women you are with has been with many many others?

I see many field reports and posts about women who don't keep faithful or are just riding the carousel. So..are these the ones you avoid? And if so, what do u go towards? Or is this just reality and u go with it?

I understand the trp theory I'm reading, and it makes sense. But I guess I want to figure out what my end goal is, and to set up real expectations.

OH, and I understand I am at the bottom of the food chain right now. But I want to, and will, change that.

Thanks for your help brothers.

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Title Is love possible? Do non-used up girls exist?
Author wadokai
Upvotes 97
Comments 125
Date 29 October 2018 04:58 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]pollsterblue236 points237 points  (20 children) | Copy

Speaking as an older male, 47, I cannot emphise enough the need to love yourself 100% before getting involved with a Women, they have a knack of finding out your insecurities overtime and using them against you (consciously and unconsciously). You have to be totally at ease and peace with yourself. If your not, then they WILL find a way to break you. Then it's game over.

[–]1ANGRY_ATHEIST24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

Listen to the voice of experience from pollsterblue here. If you think you can bag and tag a woman and keep her with no effort you are sadly mistaken. There's a reason we say that LTR's are game on hard mode. The shit tests don't ever stop, they just get more difficult to pass. You need to be well versed with dread before you even consider getting into one, regardless of a woman's history. This is easier if you have a lot of self confidence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Does an uglier women shit test a more attractive women as much?

[–]1ANGRY_ATHEIST15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

The short answer is that they all do it.

The long answer is that this is somewhat of a chicken-and-the-egg question IMHO. If you think your LTR is ugly, then her shit tests are just going to roll off your back more easily, because you genuinely don't give a shit about what some ugly chick thinks. If you put your LTR on a pedestal on the other hand, you are going to have a lot more difficult time holding your frame.

[–]wadokai16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

How is this done? What is meant by loving yourself first?

I mean.. I'm seeking love/emotional connection, and physical pleasure. And I am going to work on myself to help reach those goals. So.. In doing so, isn't working towards my desires, self love?

Sry I've heard this statement so often and I just can't understand it, in tangible concept.

[–]redmaxz47 points48 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only person that will be with you till you die is you. You need to love yourself, meditate, lift, good diet. Get in a good mental and physical shape.

Girls complement a good life, not making them your mission and taking them off the pedestal creates attraction as well.

[–]Demographic_14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me, loving yourself means doing things for yourself and putting yourself first.

For example if my LTR asked me to do something but I already have plans, I’m not going to change my whole schedule so I can hang out with her.

Another example is keeping up with your goals. If you set out to achieve something don’t allow anything to get in your way. When you get into a relationship your personal goals will fade away if you don’t work at it everyday.

[–]Nov516051 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

as far as the soul is concerned, that is usually your entire "Self" or "being" . The soul is made up of three things - your mind (thoughts), will (choices, volition, actions ), and emotions (feelings).

Developing and strengthening all three, and making that a priority supersedes everything, and THAT is loving yourself

[–]jackandjill229 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is true. Thanks for helping this young man out.

[–]aiberdeen3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

How would you suggest to go about doing this?

[–]_jobro2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

As some might say, woman is a reflection of her man.

They'll constantly be sending out 'pings' to get a feel of any potential weakness or insecurity their man might be hiding below the surface and dig them right out so that you as the man can either deal with it head-on and show her you're the man... or lose respect from her and allow the power balance to slowly chip away from your end to hers.

[–]HeadingRed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a little older than pollsterblue and boys his words are gold. Pay attention to his words - especially "consciously and unconsciously". Just because she doesn't know she is doing it, thinking about her motivation or desired outcome does not change its impact.

No matter how close you think you are to unconditional love I assure you love will come with some conditions.

[–]slicklol2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've realized this the hard way recently. It's a rude awakening, but I'm glad to have in my mid 20s rather than to have it later on.

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed, i think that goes for any healthy relationship. women keep the men from turning into boys and sadly the boys turning into men

[–]buddhismo_communismo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that goes for any healthy relationship. women keep the men from turning into boys and sadly the boys turning into men

That's deep.

[–]dukes1998133 points134 points  (15 children) | Copy

Ill tell you that a lot of red pill theory isn't to be taken literally, and that only becomes apparent when you actually go out in the world and begin to meet people.

All this CC used up nonsense you hear around here are just the personification of many heres insecurities and the inferiority complex that arises as a sexual failure in your formative years. But the truth is that people are who they are, for better or worse. A girl whose fucked 100000 guys may be completely loyal to the right guy, and the religious girl whose only had one partner may get bored and fantasize about playing the field and being satisfied for a change. But it doesn't matter. You can't change people and you only see the person they want you to see. But again, it doesn't matter. Make sure your needs are met first and don't invest too much into anyone and you can avoid a lot of the BS you hear around here about people being shitty, because they are, and it isn't just women.

Work on yourself first, and think of friends and women as accessories to your life goals. TRP talks about a mission, well you have to find yours. Its what gives life meaning in an inherently meaningless existence. If you're content with yourself, confident and happy no matter what your partner count is or how much money you make, you'll be attractive to people. Ever wonder why drug dealers and prisoners and other social rejects still get laid while some "winners" who make 200 k a year working in STEM don't? Because getting laid and being successful socially is all about your mindset and how you feel about yourself. I struggle with depression but when I'm feeling good I'm happy and content with the person I am and it is apparent in my interactions with people, because they are drawn to self assuredness and confidence like a moth to a flame because so, so few people are genuinely confident and happy with themselves and people like that will give off very good vibes women will easily pick up on.

[–]its_arose24 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

this is one of the best comments i’ve read in asktrp. i really like what you said about how red pill theory shouldn’t all be taken literally as a catch-all for every single girl out there. no girl is going to be a perfect, virgin, loyal, attractive unicorn that is true, but not every girl is an alpha-widow who sucks 100 BBC’s a year. everything exists on a spectrum.

[–]cudder176 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

What’s with people and BBC’s nowadays?

[–]RedHoodhandles7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Porn induced fetish. Also it adds extra sting that the girl you develop feelings for, got railed by (many) bigger dick, reducing quite literally the impression you can make. I don't need to play the race card but that's for many another insult.

[–]masterpiece001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cuck fetish.

[–]Yoasted2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Vouch33r8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Your comment is great, I agree. The Red Pill is often binary in its judgement because to grasp a concept, one has to reach some extremum here or there. Then TRP becomes more of a parable and an excellent source of information. Hope you're doing good and deal with your problems with fortitude to overcome the ubiquitous adversity and depression. Cheers

[–]dukes199812 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

The thing about depression is that it isn't logical. I can logically see that when I'm uninhibited with some of my unhealthy thinking that my personality really is exceptional, but then again that doesn't make my emotions and mood feel any different when I am in a "depressive mood". Counseling, which I just started has helped though. It's nothing I can't fix. I've been through much worse.

I think there's a lot of guys on here with legitimate mental health issues that would benefit from seeing someone. Some people can trace their issues to a certain trait (ex: being fat or introverted) which can be fixed and TRP is a great place to learn how to do that (to some extent) but when your issues aren't rooted in any rhyme or reason then maybe its time to realize this is a problem you can't solve by yourself.

[–]wadokai1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sigh. Ok I know this adds to my laundry list of probkems but yea I suffer from depression too. I'm an only child, didnt have friends as a kid.

So I guess I have been lonely most of my life. And I guess I because of this I crave ltr/love/unicorns. On paper my life sounds great. But deep inside, it's just chaos.

I'm so fucked 😂

[–]dukes19981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You think you need other people to be happy because you’re unhappy and have never known what it’s like to have a relationship or have, as you said, close friends. When you do start to have those experiences, you’ll learn that friends and girls won’t fix your issues ether.

Believe me, I’ve been there. Only child with overbearing parents. I’ve been lonely and have had other times where I was surrounded by friends 24/7 and in the short term it was awesome in the long term a lot of the same issues resurfaced. Gotta fix yourself first.

[–]Vouch33r0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed once more. I've been through this shit, suicidal, for half a year. Some gaping void moments still pop up once in a while but I deeply believe it is just one more obstacle that has to be overcome to ripen as a man.

[–]goodbyelogic2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

But this clearly contradicts the "AWALT" and "She's not yours, it's just your turn" mentality, isn't it?

[–]dukes19987 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, AWALT is a mentality you shouldn’t even have in the first place. Women are people. They’re not sociopaths who will drop you at any chance they get due to their “unchecked hypergamy” or whatever bullshit is passed around here. Saying she’s not yours, it’s just your turn is good advice though. Never invest too much in anyone, let alone a chick with whom you have romantic feelings beyond just sex. Clouds your judgment.

To understand women you have to understand people as well as: 1. How they differ from men and 2. That they’re people with the same hang ups and insecurities you have (most women are probably more insecure than you tbh they’re just better at hiding it). Where most guys go wrong is by thinking their sexuality works the same way women’s does. It doesn’t.

[–]goodbyelogic5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for clarifying, but don't you think what they meant for AWALT is that all women are inherently hypergamic but their hypergamy levels are on a spectrum due to either trad values, conditioning, etc. Isn't AWALT only a defense mechanism to look out and be aware of their imperative?

[–]Andorli1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is one the best and most real replies on this board, period. I am so glad to see that people like you exist here, I fully support your vision of the world and how things "should be" on an individual level. Great read.

[–]PlzBuffBeamu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This so much

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

The idea of love isnt what you're thinking. Go and read the sidebar, in particular about how women and men are capable of expressing love. You can be happy again, you just have to redefine the goal posts of what you're going for. Realize that the unconditional type of love doesn't exist for you. You only get the love when you're giving her vagina tingles. You drop your frame and you get passed by for the next alpha.

[–]SmartAdhesiveness20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

First, if you still believe in “true love,” you haven’t taken the red pill. “True love” is the phrase women use to describe the feeling they get when they’ve found the man they see as their alpha and their brains are flooded with oxytocin. Take the red pill, and stop looking for “true love.”

Instead, figure out what you want from women. If you want a woman so you don’t feel lonely and insecure, STOP! They will destroy you, even if they are not trying to.

[–]wadokai2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're absolutely right. It's in my mouth and I'm about to swallow it whole 😂.

So what if I want a girl who hasn't been riding a cock rodeo, is genuinely caring of my well being, and one I can count on as a partner in crime?

Or is this all just my Santa Claus wish list? That's all I want to know, so I know how to get past it and accept it.

[–]NPR_is_not_that_bad37 points38 points  (11 children) | Copy

I think your idea of women is misguided.

There are tons of women who aren’t riding the cock carousel. Many women who are academically and professionally driven, were in a long term relationship, religious, or just haven’t for whatever reason - May have been less attractive than peers.

I’ve hooked up with women who ride on the cock carousel and have had a blast. But for dating I’m much more picky. Last girlfriend - 27 years old - had slept with two guys before me and was beautiful, fun, and very successful. Didn’t work out, but it was close to.

Girl I’m dating now - not sure how many guys she’s slept with and I won’t ask - doesn’t have baggage and is certainly not used up. She parties and has fun, and if I had to guess has a number 10-15. But I’m 28 now and really don’t worry about tht.

Now when I date I look for someone to have fun with, learn from, and lean on when I need support. You’ll find it man but don’t let TRP define your only thought of women.

I see TRP as applying to the ultra-hot, somewhat slutty, and most desirable women. But to many other women out there, these rules don’t apply - or not to the same extent. So keep that in mind and improve yourself to the best you can be. You’re 30, not 50. you have time to be picky, work on yourself, and find a badass girl

[–]wadokai3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Thank you. This is kinda what I was trying to understand. That does this shit apply to every girl out there or if there are possibilities for ltr without being with a slutty close to hitting the wall girl.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

It DOES apply to all of them, but it doesn't mean "literally all girls are sluts". It means, very generally speaking, women date up and absent you at your best with a strong frame the urge to pursue a better man is always there.

[–]NPR_is_not_that_bad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree to the extent that the more attractive a girl gets, the more I use Redpill tactics. Particularly a girl who gets a lot of attention, redpill is 100% where it’s at.

But from my experience I still stand by the thought that frame is only useful for certain girls and that once you start dating, frame doesn’t matter.

Now don’t mistake frame for being a normal successful man. I workout daily, hit the career goals hard, and try and have a good friend group. But that’s for me, no one else. And of course I still flirt, try and look good - but again that’s normal man stuff outside of redpill.

For example, I’ve dated 3 girls seriously and hooked up with many more. Some of girls I’ve hooked up with have been really attractive, and pretty much every time I got with them through a roundabout redpill tactic. (I was hosting a party, teasing them a lot, or was around a lot of friends which made me look higher SMV).

But the three girls I’ve dated, all who I’d describe as really cute/pretty, but not drop dead sexy, I met just having normal conversation, laughing and just continuing to hangout over time. As time went on, I never needed frame. Girls loved when I surprised them, or had fun with them, or met their families and really connected, but never once did I worry about frame or texting them too much. I just sort of acted normal and it was good.

If I had dated and ultrahot bombshell, maybe she would’ve dumped me, but I wouldn’t want to stay with that anyways.

So point is, yes, girls want to date the “best they can” but to many girls that doesn’t mean frame, that means a decently attractive guy who is stable, loving and supportive. And frame might be the way you get in the door, but I think it’s a mistake to overuse frame and ultimately if you have to keep frame to stay with a girl you should dump her bro. 15 years of looking hot isn’t worth a lifetime with an insatiable girl

[–]Psychological_Radish2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

to many girls that doesn’t mean frame, that means a decently attractive guy who is stable, loving and supportive

Dude that's the definition of Beta Bucks. Why are you even on this forum when you clearly don't understand or accept the concepts?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It does apply but you need to realise that people have restraint and discipline too. What someone wants to do and what they do aren't one and the same, the best women will restrain themselves from getting fucked by random Tinder guys and the best guys will do the same and not let themselves waste all their energies on cheap thrills like pornography and videogame addictions. The problem with this sub is that it's more blackpill than red most of the time.

[–]wadokai1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sry what is black pill? I'm not done reading everything.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Black pill is the "depressing truth" so to speak, the demoralising and hopelessness that goes with red pills when they make the future look bleak.

[–]Psychological_Radish3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see TRP as applying to the ultra-hot, somewhat slutty, and most desirable women. But to many other women out there, these rules don’t apply

Famous last words.

[–]smolzino 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Dude, you have to multiply that number by 4. Plus add all the times it didn't count, and multiply that by 4 too because she's a femoid so she is a whore by definition. That's 154 plus 154, that's at least 247 partners if my math is correct. And that's if she is less than 25 yrs old. Otherwise multiply that by 4. She's definitely alpha widowed, actually she's 4 times alpha widowed, and if you believe anything she says you're a Zeta Omega Beta bucks chump, aka a ZOBBC. Don't be a ZOBBC, you think she went to see her parents last weekend? Dude she was getting railed by two guys on the train ride. Actually 8 guys. Hard next no contact, high five*4, high 20 bruh

[–]NPR_is_not_that_bad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Woof this is an unhealthy way to think man. Hope you’re trolling

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]wadokai1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Holy fuck.

Thank you.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

I. A Unicorn is a mythical beast.

II. Be better than her. YOU are the prize.

III. Stay firm.

[–]basedgrizzly5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I said I was red pill. I’m purple pill now. And I’m not a fucking miserable prick anymore like half of the people on this sub.

[–]omega_dawg9311 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

here's a start, OP. go to rollo tomassi's blog titled, 'rational male,' and start reading there; then buy his book and read it 3x in 6 months. i STRONGLY suggest reading the post titled, Mental Point of Origin before you read any of the heavier stuff.

from there, just understand that females don't live in the same world as men. they live in a world of deception, manipulation, and LIES... lots & lots of lies. however, do NOT get mad at them for being this way. these are all evo & bio traits that are just in them... it's their method of survival.

after that, i highly suggest going to youtube and searching for material from patrice o'neal (RIP) who had a very, very effective way of communicating red pill truths thru both comedy and detailed analogies.

note: you will likely go thru an "anger" phase where you realize a bunch of truths about women and mistakes you've made in the past dealing with women. from there, let the scars heal, put yourself first, and go after your goals & purpose in life... taking care of your health (lift weights), finances, and hobbies. women should be a COMPLEMENT to your life... not the primary focus of your life. do NOT listen to what any female tells you about love, romance, or relationships-not even your mom; they have NO FUCKING CLUE what they want bc their wants change with their emotions (daily, hourly, & by the minute).

also, AVOID GETTING TRAPPED INTO ONE-ITIS. however, when you meet a girl you think is LTR material (after some thorough vetting), firmly set your boundaries with her, learn her ways of playing games... shit-testing, deception, & manipulation, etc. the best way to defeat her b.s. is to MASTER the concept of Amused Mastery and play the games with her... bc they act just like children.

last, as long as you're alive, you won't get any rest because hypergamy DEMANDS that women push for more & better... so you have to keep your game sharp. there will never be a, "can i just take a break from all this shit," day; it won't happen. the breaks you need to re-group and re-energize come from self exploration, good (red pill aware) male friends, and thru reading.

hope this helps...

[–]wadokai0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wow, thank you! I will chexk out those suggestions you made.

Question though : what if you want a LTR and children? I may be flamed as being a beta but I do wish to have kids, eventually. So.. Is that even a good idea? Or do I just keep flipping plates, or hangout with a LTR until she crosses a boundary?

Im just trying to capture an end goal or at least some idea for where my life is headed.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

there's nothing wrong with wanting marriage and kids.

just undertand women as best you can before you commit and understand that the entire marriage/divorce industry does not have your best interest in mind. if your wife doesn't fuck you, the lawyers, custody, child support bs will fuck you royally... raw... dry socket... no Vaseline in sight.

and don't forget, in marriage your game has to be super tight bc not only will she learn all your tricks, you literally can't leave or use dread to it's full extent. i don't recommend cheating but you will need to keep "practicing" your skills on women to keep yourself sharp if things don't work out. be that cool married guy that women seek to know but OVERTLY know they can't have. trust me... it's hard being that guy but also a lot of fun.

last have fun while you're young... buy all the toys you want and live the life you want to live on your terms with YOU as the primary beneficiary. wait until you're at least 33 before considering marriage... and personally, don't marry a woman who doesn't have a strong male role model in her life... father, grandfather, etc.

note: game principles in a much 'smoother' context can be found in what i think is an awesome book titled, "alabaster girl" by zan perrion.

[–]basedgrizzly17 points18 points  (12 children) | Copy

I will say that I was very red-pilled, borderline MGTOW when it came to women, where I just kept my distance. A year later I am in an awesome relationship with a girl who I love very much. She pursued me and so I was basically given leverage to set the boundaries of the relationship and make her live up to my expectations. She was a virgin before we started dating, as was I, she has no social media, doesn’t go out and drinking unless she is with me. She understands that over stepping boundaries that we have set means that the relationship is over. But idk man, I never would have thought it would be possible to feel this way about a girl, and I am just thoroughly enjoying it. The red pill in the back of my mind always reminds me to be cautious, and to have expectations that this won’t last forever.

So in conclusion, if you’re looking for a long term relationship, your best bet is with a virgin. Finding one is definitely the difficult part though

[–]Garathon32 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy

In a few years she will begin wondering what she's missing not riding the cc...

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy

There are no unicorns. That dude is shacking up with the first piece of pussy he ever got and is trying to answer questions on this sub lmfao. He hasn't taken the pill yet, he is just pretending.

[–]Original_Dankster25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuckin truth right here. Don't take relationship advice from a guy who's only ever slept with one girl and fell in love with her. Taking relationship advice from that guy would be like taking investment advice from someone who bought a lottery ticket and got lucky.

[–]EnoughDforThree4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Listen to this man

[–]nabosch6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

AWALT does not mean all women will.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

true. but that's if you believe that women won't lie to you... right to your face.

to me, AWALT means, all women are like that... when they tell the truth, when they have the opportunity, when they have a reason, & when other women (herd mentality) are like that.

iow, the virgin who's never touched one guy has the POTENTIAL to be just as slutty as the ex-stripper with a cocaine habit.... and that stripper has the POTENTIAL to be the faithful woman in marriage.

the problem is... you have to believe she's a virgin and you have to believe the low dick count the stripper will give you.

[–]Thizzlebot-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is true. My younger brother is a saint hes good hearted, kind even Hitler would love him, he has blonde hair blue eyes and was with his gf from high school for 9 years then one day she just got bored and wanted to try dick so broke up with him. I was pissed off for my brother because if thats won't work nothing will.

That was the final nail in the coffin for me I'm never going to be able to think of having a life with a woman, they will be plates from here on out and maybe a ltr but nothing more.

[–]my_mix_still_sucks8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry but this is just oneitis man

[–]basedgrizzly2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cool word bro. It’s actually just a healthy relationship. Which contrary to this sub, actually do exist.

[–]Andgelyo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t ever call yourself red pilled again unless you A. Sleep with more women or B. Get cheated on. Until then, you aren’t red pill.

[–]wadokai4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

LOL. Dude love your last comment. I'm not so sure if I can find a virgin. I'm 30 yrs old now.. And usually virgins are at most 20. I wouldn't mind but not sure if I could find anyone cool with an older guy.

BTW congrats on your relationship. Wish u the best of luck!

[–]knuglets11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

To answer your question, yes, all women will have been riding the cock carousel to some extent. However, contrary to what some on this sub say, that should not make your goal to find a virgin. To be completely honest, if you find a virgin that is over the age of 21 or so, there's probably something majorly wrong with her.

Just because a girl is not a virgin doesn't mean she is a vapid whore. Some ride the carousel more than others, but if you get along, you can atleast gain the experience, sexual and otherwise, that she bring to the table. You should focus on gaining experience (as you said that you do not have much). You're not in a position to be choosy, and if you are, you will not have a good time. Just focus on having fun with women, especially with where you are in your journey right now.

[–]basedgrizzly5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Thanks! See I’m 24 and my gf was 20 when we met (21 now) after a certain age I imagine it’s almost infinitesimally rare to find a girl who is the full package and hasn’t been riding on the CC.

[–]wadokai0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

This is definitely disheartening for guys like myself, who are older but don't have much experience. I guess just got to accept and keep going.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dont listen to this clown. He is in for a rude awakening. If his girl meets a top 20% guy that is interested in her, she is going to branch swing. They all do. Half of the girls I hook up with have bfs or are married.

[–]basedgrizzly0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What do you define as a top 20 percent guy?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lift until you're there. If girls aren't straight approaching you then you're not there. Basically there was a study done by the website and they found that guys rated girls on an even bell curve with most girls falling between 5 and 6. Girls, on the other hand, rated guys either a 2 or 8-10 with very little 5's or 6's in between. So basically if you're not an 8/10, you're a 2/10. If you're not top 20% (8 out of 10 or better) you're basically invisible to most women. Girls would rather share a good guy than to have a shitty one all to themselves.

[–]BewareTheOldMan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If you're not top 20% (8 out of 10 or better) you're basically invisible to most women. Girls would rather share a good guy than to have a shitty one all to themselves."

Apex Fallacy at its finest...the insult is that most of the women demanding the Top 20% man are nowhere near worthy of such a man.

[–]ryeprotagonist5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes. And yes. But both are remarkably unlikely. And the former is at first a chemical reaction in your brain and later on just a comfort which you make compromises to hang on to.

So... Do you want to set up your life to deal with the world how it is, or would you rather deal with it based on how we wish it would be?

[–]wadokai2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I want to set it up to deal with how it is. Just trying to make sure I set expectations straight.

What were your thoughts on the carousel question?

[–]ryeprotagonist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I genuinely dgaf about it. They are my plates. Some of my plates make good dinner and travel companions. Some even rise to the level of being my +1 to a party, event or wedding reception. But never will I care if they are currently, or formerly on the carousel. It frankly would only matter if I were looking for something more permanent. I have plates that have been in and out (see what I did there?) of my rotation over the last 10+ years. I haven't yet had one stick around if she was a carousel girl.

[–]CaptainBW5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls are annoying as fuck why do you want to love them

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

There is certainly a 'formula' for 'love' (which for ease of reference I'm just going to define as 'stable long term partnership comparible to marriage'), nothing new here but a few of the obvious ingredients being:


  • self improving

  • maintaining abundance

  • being a good leader

Etc etc. Basic trp stuff

The girls side of things is a little more difficult to quantify, but includes factors such as:


  • feminine

  • low N count

  • comes from good family

Etc etc - again, basic trp stuff.

Thing is, while true 'alpha' men are certainly in low supply, the same can be said about women who are relationship material. 2018 is great for finding hoes that'll jump on your cock an hour after meeting you, but if your ultimate aim is the traditional nuclear 2.5 kids model you're looking at much more of a challenge finding an appropriate partner for this

So the answer to your question is ultimately:

depending on how you define it, yes - however the odds are heavily stacked against you

[–]ARUKET1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a good comment.

The important thing to understand is that these traits are only going to improve the odds, not guarantee anything. And you always need to be on your toes, maintaining those tingles via dread, being sexual, being dominant, passing shit tests, etc.

However I always suggest to newbies that you try to just get some experience fucking around first. Work hard on your SMV, learn how to attract women, turn them on, and fuck their brains out. You can't jump right into hard mode before you learn the fundamentals. I understand not everyone cares about casual sex and many want families (I include myself in this category) but most things are learned best through this method.

[–]Believeinyourflyness1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's possible but it's so statistically unlikely that I wouldn't say it's worth pursuing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let me answer you the question of "Love", or as commonly known here, "Oneties".

Oneties stem to a much much bigger issue than the question of "I love her and and i want her to be my wife". Oneties is rooted in our society and is postulated by the feminist imperative. Women use oneties and the soulmate myth to exploit men... It's a big deal, but lemme answer your question as to keep on the topic.

Love is chemistry. Love is fucking immoral. If you're "in love" you won't be able to see right from wrong, the bitch from the good girl, you being beta or alpha. When you're in love, your vision and intellectual abilities are paralysed for a moment of time.

Love is an evolutionary mechanism, an evolutionary byproduct that occurs after intense human interaction. This human interaction, in case you're a beta chubby bitch, is a short convo with a cute girl you've just met. For an alpha or someone who got his heart broken many times after the radio silence girls give him after those short convos, love usually happens after sex.

But it's not love really. It's just your brain is wired on a deep level to tell you, "HEYY! This person makes me feel pleasant enough. Stick around them from now on, yeah?"

In hunter-gatherer society, that idea saved tribes and lives. But in modern society, that idea will make the girl lose interest in you in a split of a fucking second.

Love is irrational. When you're caught in a case of oneties and demonstrated it to the girl, she'll lose interest and she WILL let you know., i.e less attention, less reception to physical contact... Less fucking everything. And here Oneties do their magic. You'll hang around her even though she's not giving you sex. Yet because you love her, you'll always be there for her blabkablabala... I hope you got the picture.

In my opinion, as it is a general truth of life, the more you experience this, the less intense it becomes. I'm not gonna lie. I've had a SEVERE case of oneties with two girls recently. One we hanged out together and had so much fun. We just didn't stop talking and she let me touch her all over the place. But no sex cuz I'm still anxious about it as I was virgin back then. And then the second hanged out with her for a month and ended up breaking my virginity with her.

And holly shit. I just woke up the next day only thriving to put my dick inside of her again, but she started pulling.

I hope that helps.

[–]wadokai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for your reply. Oneitis definitely sucks but.. I'm a beta bitch who does want off springs. And a person with whom I can raise the off spring. Lol as beta bitch as this sounds, my real desire would be the nuclear family. Of course reality is changing this paradigm but it still occurs.

I mean.. You can't just spin plates forever. No?

[–]DirtyBastard131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

  1. True Love does'nt exist. Love does'nt exist. It's blue pill swill peddled the elites to keep the plebs from going out of thier league, by women to lock down a provider, by soft men who want to make an easy living by religion, and betas who hope to get lucky. The marraige system was designed to prevent conflict every time a man wanted a new woman. In it's absence the top 20% of men would monopolize 80% of the women.

What we call love are hormonal reactions and instincts intended to push us to keep the species going. Those feelings fade usually within seven years. At best, it's replaced with a mature understanding of partnership between two people.

2.Unless she's been kept on from doing so by a strong male figure in her life such as her father, is ugly or deformed or actually "saving herself until marraige" (IE kept in line by religion/ social mores) she's most likely ridden the cock carosel to one degree or another. At best all women have the potential to be like that unless they are checked somehow. It's like a kid who only knows that candy is delicious but does'nt understand that too much of it is bad for you and leads to cavaties and obesity. The kid will eat candy as long as there is candy.

3.Your end goal is your own happiness or whatever your mission in life is. If life is like a house, a woman is like a good piece of furniture, nice to have but not the point.

[–]_jobro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Regarding your first question - the feeling of love is definitely possible. The confusion and false expectations come into the picture mainly with regards to how such 'true love' is gotten.

In too many movies, you see how the nice guy pins his hopes and dreams on the girl and eventually after doing all those secret things for her she somehow finds out that he's the one she actually loves. IMO that's where the false expectation kicks in.

For myself and I'm sure many others here, the feeling of truly loving an individual and receiving love back can be experienced for sure. The thing is how a young man should go about obtaining such an experience. (hint: doing sappy stuff and focusing on just the chick ain't the answer)

So to conclude the first answer, true love is obtainable for sure. However there are lots of false information about how to really obtain such a relationship with a/many women.

2nd question - No, not every women is riding the cock carousel. The thing you should realize is that biologically, I'd say most if not all women are programmed to want to fuck the big bad alpha.

Same as how most if not all men are programmed to enjoy fucking multiple women if they were given the opportunity.

But that doesn't mean that all men would choose to do so, same for the women.

So in short - women are programmed to ride the carousel, but depending on where you look there are definitely girls out there who perhaps due to circumstance (eg conversative family, grew up as an ugly duckling turn swan) who have not stepped onto the carousel, and perhaps will never in their lives.

It seems to me that you're just newly begin on your RP journey. As long as you first truly decide what you want out of life and women and then take action and do the work to get there, I'm sure you'll do fine buddy.

[–]MisplacedSanityP1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You plate women and vet from there if you want to do an LTR. One thing that is very important imo is growing up in a conservative home(Asians, Jews etc) My girl is Asian and spent too much time studying to deal with guys. I found her at 20 with only having been with one guy previously which was also her only bf. That’s the ideal. Now we say AWALT meaning all girls have the potential to cheat and stuff such as that. But girls with lower n-counts, don’t party much, aren’t into and have never been into drugs are much less likely. There’s no unicorn that will definitely never cheat under any circumstance. Your goal is to find the girl that has the best chances of turning out like the mythical unicorn.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A girl spends time how to deal with guys? Wow I guess I am still learning

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just don’t wait around for someone else to be happy. Used-up is the wrong word.

If you are a happy and loyal person you will attract happy and loyal people.

[–]Nergaal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True love is a blue pill fantasy. It exists in nature, but in nature, humans are evolutionarily selected to form couples for only 4-6 years.

Not all women ride the CC, but all women have the capability to do so. The more attractive, and the less fulfilling her career is, the more likely she fills that void with CC rides.

Learn to actually be ok with yourself and eventually things will work better than now.

[–]zaze121 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't know love,I don't know even if exist. But I know girls who are good ltr material,like mine ltr (not an unicorn ,but very rare girl).

[–]wadokai-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

So follow up question:

With your eyes open to the matrix, what can you expect and what should you accept? Obviously unicorns won't be there but if you're looking for ltr then what should u prepare for and what should u not accept? I personally would not want to be with someone in a ltr, if she's had many partners (riding carousel hard) before me. But is this just wishful thinking? Is only accepting this an unlikely reality?

Sorry for the long post but I'm just trying to understand completely.

[–]zaze120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have high standard,someone tell me I'm too rigid but I don't care. You have to set your own standard,you have to elaborate what you want (even listening to other men experiences). There are girls who have not so many partners (my ltr had one before me)

[–]SynfulVisions1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True love is an illusion, but that doesn't mean you can't have a fulfilling and prosperous relationship with somebody who complements you.

Not all women ride the CC, there are plenty of edge cases. The thing is, concepts like AWALT describe behaviors of the overall population in response to general stimuli. It doesn't mean that every single woman responds exactly the same way in every situation. HOWEVER... the fact that populations are prone to similar behaviors and patterns is something that you should be insanely aware of in any relationship.

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think the Disney princess version of love is possible after you've taken the pill. But you can certainly being in a loving caring relationship with a woman that is fulfilling.

And no, not all women are riding the CC. Blue-pill guys definitely underestimate how much sex your average HB7 is getting laid while I think sometimes on TRP people overestimate it. It all depends on the girl obviously but the truth is usually in the middle. The way TRP talks about college girls you'd think every single one of them has a different dick scheduled for each day of the week. Yeah maybe sorority whores, but there are definitely good girls out there.

I'm 22 and a recent college grad and I've met my fair share of sluts and thotties. But I've also met my fair share of girls my age with 1-2 partners. That's why you vet though. Because once you get more experienced, the girls who get laid with a new guy every weekend become easy to sus out.

AWALT doesn't mean LITERALLY every women acts like that. There are women who exemplify all aspects of AWALT, women who exemplify only one or two aspects, and all sorts of women in between.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

there's no such thing as 'good' girls. they're just girls. and btw, girls tend to lie and lie a LOT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the fact is their is no perfect girl. you will make compromises and have to deal with shit you dont prefer in a girl.

[–]APSTNDPhy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No it's not. Not the fairy tail shit you think.

[–]DadOnDabs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best way to look at it is like you're playing Russian roulette. There's a bullet in one of those chambers so why not play it safe and assume they are all loaded.

That being said there are many women who go outside the traditional AWALT. But most do not. Better to assume that they do.

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think you summed this up yourself man, you're at the bottom of the food chain right now and no bitch worth a shit is paying you attention. this alone is a painful experience but start the long gradual ascent to the upper levels. red pill is a toolkit to be used, it is for you to be a man who keeps his woman in check.

genuinely though, i think 'true love' although a great feeling can be phony and sadly it's just chemicals in our brain feeling in connection with another. ending a connection with someone you feel deeply about is a truly painful experience but i do not believe it is an experience that cannot be repeated with another.

ie i've had the best sex with girls i did not give a shit about but felt deeper connection to girls i dated when there was more 'meaning' treating every girl like a fuckhole can lead you to NGAF but it can lead to pretty meaningless feels about whatever.

anyway, time will tell. i've got a friend who got married recently who in respect is super r.p, just a test of time to see what will become of them...or what will become of me?

[–]wadokai0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

As beta bitch this makes me sound, I'm way too fucking sentimental. I care for people. I care for well being and welfare and other bitch like things. I guess it's protective love, as I read in the article above. But I guess in return I'm expecting protective love too, which is unrealistic.

I need to learn to NGAF and just embrace the truth and live with it.

[–]someonesopinion69691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think it's a bad thing, remember we're essentially a part of a cult of men who choose to study the dynamics of the feminine.

there's nothing wrong with loving a woman and i'm sure you've met enough happy couples in your lifetime. I don't want to put anyone off the idea of finding romance in their lives though, there's always a dark side with anything good in life ie divorce rape and all that shit, thats why we have so many angry men after their unicorn turns out to be a unicunt.

meditate also mate, there are plenty of women out there, oneitus is possible but FOCUS on self improvement

[–]sorryforthelifestory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes but there’s no guarantee it will actually last

[–]litolule0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Marriage is just a piece of paper at the end of the day brother . Thanks for the downvote aswell if that was you x

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Fucking lol at all the fake red pillers posting here. Where are the ECs at when you need them? I feel bad for OP, the betas on this thread are feeding him poison

[–]wadokai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm getting some mixed messages for sure 😂.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy

Girls ride the CC to different degrees. You're probably not going to find a virgin if you're older than 18, but you can find girls below 5 somewhat reliably and don't need to settle for those double digit thotties. So depends if you think 2-5 dicks is "used up" or not--because you can definitely find that.

[–]kollizionlive2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy

girls lie about body count tho. they will hardly ever tell how much they got, and if they do, its wayyyy lower than the actual truth.

[–]p3n3lop3 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Can confirm. I tell guys now that I don't have sex outside of a relationship, that I've been in LTRs most of my life and had about 4 boyfriends. I let them assume. In between those 4 have been about 25 dicks though ;)

[–]kollizionlive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

case and point 👍🏼

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy

Lol every single time I post about body count someone responds and says "girls lie." My mans I've been on TRP for like three years I'm no rookie I get that. But girls tell each other when they fuck someone, and I talk and gossip with enough girls that they tell me too. N-counts aren't exact, at least for most of the ones I've heard, but they're a decent gauge still. And a lot of girls are closer to low single digits than they are to fucking dudes all the time.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

smmfh. if you aren't with those girls 24/7, you're fooling yourself. girls get dick offers hourly if they're hot... can literally climb on a different dick every night of the week if they wanted to.

and they lie... a LOT.

source: i have 3 older sisters, and i learned some valuable lessons watching them as i grew up. if you listened to them now, they'll tell you their dick count is below 15, and i know from "watching for mom & dad" that they were past 15 dicks before age 20... lost count... but perfected telling lies with a straight face... and kept getting more dick.

just tell the women you're with to get tested for STDs... and have at it. you'll never know the truth because they've forgotten the truth. the number you get is the number they think you can 'stomach' without walking off.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

Again, I post that I know girls' n-counts regularly and receive responses just like this all the time. I've only ever tried to figure out the n-count of one girl I'm actually involved with, and that's my LTR. She said 2 before me, and she acted like it was 2 before me. She had 0 sexual confidence whatsoever and knew like 0 positions and couldn't suck dick at all. If she was lying, she should probably get a job as a professional actress 'cuz she was a fuckin' mess in bed lmao.

The rest are mostly not exact #s but more estimated based on stories. Girls tell their close friends shit. Her best friend and her share almost everything about guys. She shares a lot of what her best friend tells her with me. It's just delusional to be so TRP-indoctrinated to think there's no such thing as ever having a remote clue as to how many dudes a girl has banged. Yes, many often lie--and I've been lied to. But personally, anything above 5 = untouchable slut (for LTR) and tons of girls admit to more than that. The ones who claim to be below that, well, it's pretty obvious if they're at least in the ballpark or not. Maybe a girl says 4 and is at 6, but in the modern day of social media, texting, and constant gossip, it's just not possible for a girl who's in my social circle to be at 17 and say 3. And I don't really care if 4 means 6 or 3 means 4--because that doesn't negate a low-n.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

... and one day, you'll learn the following FACT: to females, the words, "it didn't count," are real.

they have the ability to fuck and later block/rationalize, etc. the event completely out of their minds, and it is real.

it's a hard concept to understand, but it exists. i've actually had girls say, "ok... we are gonna do this... but it doesn't count, ok?" do you think she counts or wants to discuss that event?

the physical is blocked out and didn't count: fucked in the ass... only gave a bj... he only did oral on her... he pulled out... he used a condom... only a handjob.

the emotional is also blocked out: i didn't even like him... there were no emotions involved... nature simply took its course... my feeeeeelings... etc.

i'll type it slow... "women have the ability to completely forget sexual encounters." they simply didn't count; so when she gives you the number, it is HER TRUTH, and she will come across as truthful. but you should know better, and at a minimum, you should multiply that number by 3... then add 7.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

So when I've heard all the stories about them getting fucked by a random guy in a parking lot they met off tinder, fucked a random guy in the back of a bar, got eaten out on a first date after drinking a fair amount, sucked a dick in their friend's hot tub when they were gone on vacation, approacheda random guy at a party and said "Come into the closet with me so I can suck your fucking cock".... I'm supposed to believe they're holding back? Yeah, no. I have heard it all. I'm at one of the most slut-friendly schools in the United States. People brag about this shit all the time here, and I hear it all. They obviously don't tell me everything because why would they, but I hear enough to generally know. I hear all the stories that TRPers would say "girls wouldn't count." Stop taking TRP to such an extreme--sex surveys show an average discrepancy between men and women of like 2 for amount of sexual partners, not 20. Even assuming guys are not inflating and are the truthful gender, that just doesn't leave a ton of room for girls to be lying by so much. Then are guys lying too and underselling it? That makes literally fucking no sense.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

believe what you want to believe... and believe exactly what women tell you is the truth.

oh... and believe all the stats.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

"Believe all the stats" so... you're saying men underreport too? Because the highest estimate I've ever seen for men's average lifetime partners is 14 and women's was 10 in that survey. So at the most, on average, women leave out a third of their encounters. That's extremely different than the "2x or 3x" rule.

"Believe exactly what women tell you is the truth" when did I say this? I said they're generally true. Which is true. Nobody is going to convince me their n-count is 3 when it's 47. I've been around too many girls for too long for that. I'm not retarded lmao. If I'm told 3 and it's believable seeming, I don't think it's 3. It's 3, or 4, or 5, probably. It isn't 9. Unless you absolutely suck at reading people and their behavior, you shouldn't have a hard time deciphering when an n-count totally in the wrong ballpark. The fact so many TRPers say "My girl told me it was 6, then she confessed to 13, then 24" makes me cringe so hard. You should be able to tell it was high as fuck from the beginning.

You're just reciting TRP-enforced info and pretending to be enlightened. TRP isn't a gospel--elements of it can be wrong or exaggerated (like the gospel itself is)

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

you can't tell, and you will never know... not bc she doesn't want you to know the truth but bc she doesn't want to face her own truth.

men overestimate... women underestimate. my experience says that women grossly underestimate... for their own personal reasons. the number you get is the number they think you can handle without judgment.

[–]kollizionlive-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

ehhhh multiply by 2 and add 3 has never failed me. the truth always has a way of coming out. usually at the "end" of a relationship, you usually find out the truth and im always in the ballpark tbh. they say 8 bodies...imma just say 19 off rip...they say 5, imma say its 13 🤷🏽, if they say 4 they are lying, and if they say 3, its a 50/50 coin flip, either they big loose, or they had 3 bf's before you. if they say 2 or 1, and you are experienced, you can tell. of course this isn't tell all be all and there are special cases, but most (70%-80%) of the time it will get you a ballpark truth.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My LTR told me two and that one was a brief FWB and the other a blackout drunk ONS, and she was a nervous wreck when we first started hooking up. Totally sexually unconfident. And after fucking a handful of times, she got better--so I'd be pretty surprised if she was acting. Most n-counts I get from her from other girls. Her close friends. Sometimes I find out on my own, usually in cases I don't think there's any reason to lie to me or undersell.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Non-used up girls are graduating high school every Spring, just in time for breeding.

[–]NeedingAdvice860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes.....there are tons of girls around who are looking for "the one" not for a dick to you get more experience you will be able to know the difference.

No...all girls are not riding 10 dicks a week....that is just the bitter ranting of some angrys.

Now a very confusing danger for many of the less experienced TRP is getting stuck in a death spiral by too harshly applying the "rules" of an attracted girl. Those are the ones who are adamant about hard nexting any girl who doesn't fuck them on the first meetup in the back of the bar after getting a couple of drinks before the appetizer arrives. It becomes a self fulfilling exercise whereby they are filtering out all girls except for the sluts who go around fucking guy after guy within 30mins of meeting him. Girls much more likely to be riding 10 dicks a week and cheating\slutting because letting random dudes stuff their dick into her pussy just isn't any different to them than going down to get a bag of corn chips and Coke at the local convenience store. These are the type of chicks who are not LTR material and most have indeed become immune to any sort of intimate relationships because they see all the horrors of the pump and dump world, are jaded and make horrible relationship material.

Tons of what you read is down to selection bias.....

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Love is possible but you must understand that love is as temporary as enjoying an ice cream, you eat it and you enjoy it but at one point of time it’s just not gonna be there. Love is just a temporary thing then happens marriage. Marriage is a contract to raise childrens and take up your particular role as a parent.

[–]litolule-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy

If it’s real love last forever....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Cough cough. Blue pilled SJW COUGH

[–]litolule-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like how you made a post asking if a chick you were talking to wanted to bang

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not a chick. A married chick..big difference there

[–]downvotesanimals-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This whole thread is some cringey shit...

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