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Man Tip Tuesday: Think smart, argue well-How to spot a Logical Fallacy

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October 8, 2013
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Title Man Tip Tuesday: Think smart, argue well-How to spot a Logical Fallacy
Author GaiusScaevolus
Upvotes 70
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Date 08 October 2013 09:43 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit becomeaman
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/137350
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/becomeaman/comments/1o0jyg/man_tip_tuesday_think_smart_argue_wellhow_to_spot/
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[–]puaSenator7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Most day to day arguments are not going to be won by recognizing fallacies, and responding with reason and logic. Most arguments are based on emotion and social politics.

[–]nobody20004 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

But being a man isn't about making a right or wrong argument, it's being educated and confident enough in your stance. That's it. If you are 100% right, and articulate it like a fool, no one will listen. This is why the tactics of conversation are so important.

What comes to mind, and maybe this is a stretch - maybe it isn't - is that video of Joe Rogan confronting his hecklers. Here is the summary of what happened:

  • He was on stage
  • He was being heckled on stage by two drunk girls, one of whom apparently had a birthday that night
  • He confronted them
  • He was outnumbered
  • They called him an old fat man
  • he calmly showed them his 6 pack

The fact that he showed them the 6 pack was irrelevant. What was relevant was despite the fact that they outnumbered him, were loud, and rambled on and on, he kept calm, made a confident argument saying that they were assholes, and moved along (of course after playing a sweet trump card).

So yeah - maybe avoiding logical fallacies isn't and end-all to winning an argument. Hell - Joe Rogan could have been Gabriel Inglesias on a rascal scooter, but his manner in which he argued why these girls were assholes would have won him the arguemen.

Overall, if you want to be the best that you can be - at least intellectually - why not familiarize yourself with this knowledge, and use it in conjunction with confidence to annihilate any argument the right way?

[–]Nitzi2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

win by knowing when not to fight.

You simply can ignore people who suck at arguing. Or at least stop talking about a certain topic.

When facts are less important than feelings then why are we even arguing about something. Lets just ask how someone feels about something.

IMO the top 5 list (no particular order):

Ad Hominem

Strawman

Slippery Slope

No true Scotsman

the Texas sharpshooter

[–]nobody20003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The beauty of understanding common logical fallacies is that when you identify one being used, you can use it back at them - possibly with hyperbole - to shut them down. Or just expose the ridiculousness by breaking them down.

Yes, making someone feel stupid is kind of a nuclear way of winning an argument, but hey - if you use a stupid logical fallacy, you probably deserve it.

[–]GaiusScaevolus[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

But being able to understand logic is important for all men. The dangers of not doing so are apparent in DC today.

[–]SpecialFester2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right, as long as what you're objecting to isn't "the lack of bipartisanship."

That middle ground fallacy is one of the worst one's of all in my opinion. People complain about the "gridlock" in D.C. That gov't "can't get anything done." Well if the correct choice is to take no course of action, than "doing nothing" is precisely the correct course.

I hate the suggestion that we need more moderates, as if something about being a moderate was inherently valuable.

The fallacy of Middle Ground: Stacy says we should cut off 5 fingers. Joe says we should not cut off any. The moderates say we should compromise and cut off just 2 or 3.

Joe may be an extremist, but he's right. Besides there's nothing wrong with being an extremist.

Freedom is always the answer. And freedom is always extreme.

[–]eyeonboom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have this as my background on my computer. Point out the fallacy in one on one discussions with confidence. Then watch their whole argument fall. That it's if they are willing to be logical. If not I could careless about their thoughts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, this is not true. Most logical fallacies are OK arguments, because all they say that X does not SURELY follow from Y, however the often point out good likelihoods.

They are good Bayesian arguments: they all increase SOMEWHAT the likelihood that an argument is true just do not make it sure.



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