It happend the worst thing possible in a night out

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June 26, 2015

I went out yesterday. Good party, full of girls. I approached a lot of them, 15+ and didn't even makeout with any of them. I had A LOT of fun with myself, said "Hi, my friend has cancer". "Hi, I am asian"(I am not). They always shit test and I always don't give a fuck about wether they like it or not. Analyzing my results, it's obvious something is wrong. But I don't know what. Feels terrible to be 'stuck' like this. Did anyone ever faced something like this? It's the second time it happens on nightgame.

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Title It happend the worst thing possible in a night out
Author RICCIedm
Upvotes 2
Comments 22
Date 26 June 2015 05:38 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]Locopod1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You say you don't give a fuck but at the same time you're going out with some mental checklist to validate your night/progress. I don't know you, but, your icebreakers could come off needy. Try relaxing and starting up a normal conversation with some of these girls; if you're getting IOI's try isolation and escalating, or, if that's not possible, just set up a date and get her number.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't use canned openers. I just say whatever comes into my mind. I love people's "what the fuck?" look. I also talked to girls the normal way "I like the way you X, what's your name ? yada yada", but it had the same effect : a little chat, no IOIs, backs off when I escalate. I agree that I probably need to relax more and give less of a fuck (internally), thanks man.

[–]Wrong_Opinion1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy

Stuff like that's a good opener, if they're in the silly fun kind of mood, or if they have that sense of humor most of the time. But you do have to move into a normal conversation. Talk to them like you would anybody else at a party, chill and mingle. When you are "trying" they can tell subconciously, and because you are "trying" you're phoning in your performance and it shows.

Read Carnegie's book on how to talk to people.

[–]Hitlers_Hairy_Anus11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy

"Hi, my friend has cancer".

That's a fucking terrible opener.

[–]Wrong_Opinion0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah but it gets you noticed right away so it's better than nothing.

[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

appropriate usernym for this post bro!

[–]Wrong_Opinion0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy


[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

but anyone who suggests Dale Carnegie is ok in my book, they must know something to suggest him, the godfather of contemporary sales and social engineering!

Nice. Your other comment, not so much

cheers bro

[–]Wrong_Opinion0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No one's perfect.

[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol yeah

it's all good bro, I couldn't resist/help myself!

[–]RICCIedm[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

This one is actually interesting. The girl I opened with this was 8+ and gave me shit about it. She said "Wow, what a bad opener, this doesn't help you". I replied "Who said I need help? I am interesting enough to get away with anything I say." She clearly respected my attitude and I talked to her group for some time. Nobody was giving me big IOIs so I left. My point is using bad openers is pretty cool because if you maintain frame, it shows how unbreakable you are.

[–]Hitlers_Hairy_Anus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm glad it worked for you. I agree that bad openers can be successful, and I used to use them regularly (I'm in a LTR now and don't game when I am), but this is an exceptionally bad opener. You're opening the conversation with an awkward moment.

Personally if I'm going to open with something that is negative it's going to be a neg of the female I'm approaching.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Been wanting to try it with my friend who actually has cancer, a few times.

[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She said "Wow, what a bad opener, this doesn't help you". I replied "Who said I need help?

you do, right NOW! lol

sorry bro but I couldn't resist -- you've gotta change your lines mate, and IMHE honest 'opening' lines are best, they can still be cool and funny, but not bullshit as most girls will see through it almost everytime and shit test the fuck out of you! word.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh to be clear : the worst position to be in is to not know where you're at.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Oh to be clear : the worst position to be in is to not know where you're at.

You're not calibrated, you might be self amused and stuff, but you just said what's your problem, you don't know what the fuck is happening in a conversation, maybe you know shit tests, but you can't see how the girl is feeling about you inside the conversation.

Really quick basics: open, declare why you're talking to her/them, push pull and cold reading while dealing with possible shit tests/cockblocks, that should be done to create attraction aka both hers and yours value should be now leveled or slightly on your favor, while doing this you should be trying to discover her source of validation, what's her frame (is she getting validation from looks? From intellect? From money?) that should give you a solid base to have a general idea of her frame, now it's time to crush that frame to put her into yours, so basically at this point she's interested in you and you know how to strip her from validation, all that's left is to show that all her value comes from something that you don't give a shit about in a calibrated way, so she has to enter your frame and qualify herself to "fit in".

That's the general concept that I've developed after sucking in theory from TRP, PUA, from RSD to Mystery type of stuff, and in some occasions, in a couple of interactions that model didn't make sense at all, but generally in my environment that's how conversations flow. Problem is that you need to be really fucking fast while at the same time dealing with kino, cockblocks, shit tests, isolation from her annoying fat friends, not getting inside your head, etc etc, all achievable through practice.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Any tips on how to practice properly? I'll definitelly read your post before I go out next time to keep all you said in mind. Thanks for the great response.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Properly? I don't think so, it's just a matter of going out with some concepts inside your head and just approaching, sooner or later you will start to relate certain thing that they say with the "theory" and probably you will realize what you should've said or done the next day, some more approaches and instead of the next day it will happen right after you get rejected until hopefully practice will make you react instantaneously, but it's all about numbers, going out a lot and keeping those instincts fresh, so you keep getting better reaction times.

Lots of guys (non TRP non PUA) that are not betas and have normal success with pickup, after ending a relationship, they feel like they suck at it, and that's what you should have in mind, the fact that not doing it makes you slow, and doing it frequently helps speed up your reaction times, and overall experiences.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man, I've just had a great night yesterday. I went slower in the beginning of the approaches, tried to understand the girls better as you said. I drank an average ammount of alcohol and am not sure of how big was its interference. One girl I picked up showed LMR and I decided to give up cause the party was still going on and I wanted to game more (we got to my dorm which is 100m away from the party and she didn't even want to give me a handjob)

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[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy thanks for the contribution. I hope you get better of your prostate cancer. Edit: lol he edited his comment to make it less offensive

[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

  • whether

change your approach lines, your overall attitude sounds cool, funny relaxed BUT

ffs I have NO idea how I'd reply to a guy person, who came up to me and opened with the line, "hey there, my friend has cancer haha!"

seriously, W.T.F?

I think that's where you need to begin bro

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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